JYMV is the definition of objective keyboard reviews, so wouldn't expect anything less. I just hope he gets more attention, maybe a shoutout in your videos?
@@davestephens3246 no dude what? you need to get more experience with encoders. the force of a detent is not exclusively dependent on how many it has, alps ec11es have a much more pronounced detent than this
Very professional video, lots of points covered that other reviewers missed. Love the way you present your sound comparisons. Hope to see your channel grow
I know you said that glorious couldn't care about the community, but I have first-hand interaction with them in their discord with mods, staff, developers, and they want it to get better. Trust me they are dedicated to making this board everything it can be, and they look for a surprising amount of feedback.
I never hear anybody talk crap about the enthusiast keyboard vendors unless it's drop or glorious lol. and I feel like it's because they're bigger companies. I've had really bad experiences with a few vendors and people downvote the shit out of me on reddit if I complain. Like terrible quality control issues with boards that i waited forever for and spent a lot of money on which had cracks, warping and missing parts and bc of the small batch shit and limited supply they could only offer a partial refund or wait another three months to maybe get it fixed or a replacement. They should've turned it away at the factory. Same thing with switches. I understand that people feel like they need to protect these companies because they're small but they really just want the feeling of having an exclusive item, no matter the crap quality or service and that turns a lot of people off of the whole thing. Imagine getting into this for the first time, spending a lot of money on something you took a lot of time researching, getting a crap product, receiving crap service and the getting told by enhusiast online that you're wrong lol. But I see people upvote the smallest mistake from glorious or drop all the time. If they really want to evolve and be more inclusive, they need to call these "high quality" kb companies on their shit.
@@rks5457 I've actually had the same experiences. In terms of customer support, nothing has come close to glorious. They have sent me multiple items (for free) to fix issues if I had them. I'm very out of date with the keyboard community as I grew out of touch after getting some rather disappointing products from certain vendors and it is surprising to hear people are now shitting on glorious. People used to look at them with respect so I'm curious what changed.
@@notthottie9882for me it all boils down to these uber enthusiasts feeling like their exclusive hobby is being encroached upon by bigger companies. It's funny that these guys will act like they encourage novices to join the hobby but in reality, the nature of the current enthusiast keyboard scene has been built upon exclusivity and opinions about what feels and sounds good. It's like these uber enthusiasts feel threatened that the stuff they paid a lot of money for and waited a long time for is going to become not so exclusive and expensive because of these big companies. Their only defense is that the quality is not as good but that is really bs in my opinion as I've had terrible experiences with quality, like you and prob many others who don't speak up bc they will get downvote by the aforementioned enthusiasts. They talk about the gmmk pro's gasket system being a problem because of the standoffs that support the pcb but their only issue with it is that gasket systems with more flex sounds better, which is completely subjective and ignores the fact that a flexing pcb is NOT good for durability. And durability and build quality is something that these enthusiasts overlook it seems due to the fact that we typically own and use several boards and flip them quickly. And that's typically why we never see long term reviews. People keep saying this is an entry or gateway keyboard but they really don't know that the likelihood of someone buying this just to buy several more keyboards later is not very high currently. They only see people who are into the hobby and not the ones who want 1 really good in stock keyboard and will use that for every day for many years. Which is the reason why companies like glorious and drop who both want to expand and become large high quality keyboard companies take durability into consideration. I just feel like a lot of these keyboard companies and vendors need to figure out the future. Because currently there are a lot of problems that are not being talked about. Another issue is the Gmk keycaps market. These "designers" are screwing over the consumer hard and they know it. So much so that a "designer" is trying to sell a "meme" set of blank white keycaps. And of course these uber enthusiasts (I call em typebeasts) are falling head over heels for something you can buy for $20 and get right now. These "designers" are basically grabbing cash for something anybody can do with Gmk. and they do this preorder/group buy garbage which leaves literally no risk for the "designer" and all the risk for the buyer. I digress but I love nice keyboards but the community is worse than any hypebeast/street wear/air Jordan/Nike community out there in terms of ripping people off and providing bad quality and customer service. At least clothe can be seen as art inherently but enthusiast keyboards are seen as both art and higher quality but that's not the case for most of these overhyped, limited products.
Nice to see you point out the QC issues that often (Nearing always) go uncovered by any form of warranty in the GB community. Not that I don't understand why GBs don't have warranties, it just wouldn't make sense for limited productions. However I do feel that it is very positive having a relatively high quality production board for the vast majority of consumers who might otherwise decide to commit to a group buy, only to encounter potential issues that they don't know how to correct themselves. And I hope that this will leads to further improvements in the keyboard scene, especially that Glorious learns from all the feedback they're getting on the GMMK Pro for future models. Because all-in-all, despite what some actors in the keyboard community might say, this is a really good entry into the medium-range keyboard scene.
There's a big unreliability factor for the vast majority of custom GB keyboards but are largely ignored when talking about how the gmmk pro isn't perfect, as if they forget it's a $170 board with a much higher reliability factor and customer support.
We need more big players to make enthusiast grade products to bring prices down. Some of these group buys not only have insane costs of entry, the lead times are pretty bad too.
I mean I disagree and agree at the same time. While the wait times are yes, not the most friendly and or convenient, especially as a surprise to beginners, it isn’t necessarily bad. You have to keep in mind that people running GBs and the like are a part/from of the community itself and thus are not being backed up by a larger corporation and or company that can source parts and the like much easier while maintaining a quality product, unlike Razer, Corsair, Glorious. This hobby is built on these prices and wait times, you’re asking a lot from such a niche and still growing and or newborn community. It’s growing rapidly, which is a positive. Your expectations in my honest opinion is somewhere where it shouldn’t be. You’re simply expecting to much. Alongside this. Companies like Razer, Corsair, and Glorious exists simply for this matter, to bring in stock and affordable products for the mass of consumers while GB runners and the like are not; they are focused on the mechanical keyboard community itself and thus don’t need to occupy their time on pleasing the masses. They are more focused on producing a quality product while improving said product through the community whilst bringing their rich and novel ideas into reality.
@@datjp I don't think expectations of the masses are misplaced, if the MK community wants to grow, it must adapt to providing more stock more often. How do you expect newcomers to react when they hear that a keyboard is quadruple the price of a normal retail board and you have to wait 6 to 12 months to receive it? Worse yet, what if someone finds a board or keycaps they like but turns out the GB ended 2 years ago? I am glad that Glorious is challenging the GB model, which is clearly unsustainable but currently exists because of the nature of custom MK community as it stands. People talk about art, care, and effort by small GB runners but how can you expect newcomers to understand that when they can't get their hands on anything?
Are you going to review the cannonkeys bakeneko for comparison? Would be a contender for competitor at least in terms of feel (metal case and gummy oring mount) at a lower price point.
I see that you don't quite like the exploded look of the arrow keys. But, as a blank keyboard user, I must say that an exploded 75% layout makes us able to use the otherwise impossible 75% (due to the lack of function keys spacing and arrow keys).
I used to not like blockers on 65% keebs, preferring the look of one rectangular cluster... many, many fumbles feeling for the arrow keys later, I have seen the light, and now much prefer a 67-key layout to 68.
I feel like this is the most reasonable GMMK pro review being that there aren't overly high standards for a kb at this price point, but it isn't too optimistic as there are still some glaring flaws that need to be pointed out. Good review!
Now this is the review people actually need to see. Especially the part showing the differences with foam and no foam. I've seen too many reviews sound comparing the gmmk pro with stock foam to another board that doesn't have foam, gasket mount etc like the ID80 just because it's 75%. Also failing to mention that the standoffs will make the board more durable and most new people getting their first enthusiast keyboard want durability. A flexing pcb is NOT durable, it just sounds marginally better. Imagine how pissed a new consumer would be if the relatively expensive keyboard they just bought had some keys stop working because the hotswap sockets shot out from a flexing pcb? These types of people are going to want to daily this thing and will use it wayyy more than us enthusiasts who have several keyboards and barely put each through it's paces. And these potential kb enthusiasts would wonder why nobody talks about durability or long term tests when it comes to keyboards..
Enjoyed the objective and very detailed look for the construction. Hopefully you can modify your extra plate to resolve the alignment issues! Feel bad for the Glorious software devs and also hope that once they bring it fully in house things will go better.
@Lott3r that's if you ordered today when to expect it, which is a 3 month window. A lot of people ordered momths ago so some folks on Reddit put together an unofficial tracker.
Mines just got in an hour ago, and while I am happy with the results. there is something that isn't being brought up: the incredibly tight screws. This board is supposed to be a modifiable product, but the screws are so uncomfortable tight, you risk stripping the tops of them. After replacing the stabilizers, I've stripped 2 screws: a case screw and a screw in the middle of the board. Those two screws alone were so difficult to remove. I think an easy remedy is to have the board come disassembled, similar to many keyboard kits in the enthusiast market. That way, we don't have Goku in the factory tightening these keyboard screws.
Sorry to hear that. I didn't mention it because I didn't have that issue on my unit. But I believe you 100% with just how many reports of inconsistencies I've heard about this board
will come in iso hotswap and the only other board is the idobao v2 in also iso hotswap but that is a integrated top plate design and the gmmk pro is a gasket mount with other plate options. i love this board because i think every keyboard enthusiasts needs a hotswap board they can use to try switches and try keycaps before they make something more custom or expensive and i run iso DE layout so all hotswap boards are not usable for me. i’m glad they made a iso hotswap.
For me, this seems to be the best option for a first time, up market build. I planned on using aftermarket stabs anyways, and will be just getting the base DIY, no switches, caps or cables. I will be getting those elsewhere.
Great review. I just got mine last week and after the first reviews came out I was really worried about the quality but I’m actually impressed with what I got despite the shortcomings. The design is plain and nothing to write home about but with a few mods I think this board has a lot of potential to be a good board. I don’t think it will tame the custom market because the snobs are all going to scoff at spending less than $300 for just the board itself with a company like GMMK. I do hope the board sells well and I do hope they make revisions and improve on what’s there now. If they could also do it in a way that original buyers of the first revision could just buy upgrade parts then that would be great. Don’t get me wrong there are some really nice custom boards out there but it’s become so much more about jumping on a group buy and having something no one else has rather than just having what you want and what you need. Oh man, I spent $400 on a group buy and then bought a rare set of key caps for $400 more. Then I spent another $200 on a custom cable and switches so I win at keyboards. The GMMK pro wanted to bring custom end features to the mainstream for a more consumer friendly price and while they weren’t 100% successful, they had a good start and I applaud their first effort.
I would say as a prspective buyer im more interested in bakeneko60 in this price point if i want something metal (if we are talking about price only) That is if it can be obtained easily (it is not), and whether or not you are willing to sacrifice look (i heard some who own it says that the finish is mediocre at best) over sound and feel. That being said, gmmk pro definitely have it own place and room for improvement. Good review as always 👍
I cannot understand why people actually (I've done it for the lolz and have joked about it) root for companies to make bad products. It's just a waste of time, energy and materials. And someone is gonna be buying something that's not good. It doesn't make any sense. Especially when you (the haters) haven't even tried it.
I looked looked and decide I am also not big fan of exploded arrows on 75% It is good you compare them to kddfans because indeed they are their competitors
A very serious warning to anyone considering buying this keyboard for the RGB. There is a dirty little secret that reviewers are not discussing. And that is, the readability via the top of the keys as it relates to the RGB light. It's extremely DIM. On a scale of 1 to 10, it's a sold 1 and even that is being generous. The RGB light coming out and from under the keys is fine. If you are in a dark / low light setting like I am and like to read the numbers, letters, etc on your keyboard, forget it. You won't be able to. I bought the silver GMMK Pro, silver switches, puddin caps, a custom red knob, a red usb-c cord, dropped over $300 and was left speechless when I plugged in the keyboard. I really love this keyboard but I am not one of those types that doesn't care about RGB. I am. So I am taking everything back to Microcenter next week. I am hoping that Glorious can address this issue by releasing VERY bright RGB switches that match HyperX's mechanical keys.
Has anyone successfully used their software to map to the right click / menu key? Not right click on a mouse, the right click key specifically (it's different, doesn't depend where your mouse is)
I guess Glorious has payed attention to something......I recently received my GMMK Pro and I can honestly say that I have not had any of the issues that I have heard about. The screws came out easily when I took it apart, the spacing on my aftermarket cherry compatable key caps was spot on, no visible curvature or bending in the PCB board, software and RGB works fine also. Im not too crazy about really loud boards so I kept both foams in, Did the triple gasket and tempest tape mods, got the glorious panda (unlubed) switches, lubed up the switches and stock stabs with some krytox and it actually types, feels and sounds perfect to my preference. removal of the foams can help suit your preference but I have a baby at home and combined with working in an office setting, a loud KB isn't always going to cut it for me but this config worked great and I have no complaints about this keyboard. Great video ! Very well done.
Sorry to hear that you hate the leopold fc980-like layouts. I personally love them because it has all the keys I want while also saving some space. Nice review though.
I'd have gone for an FC980 myself if I hadn't noticed the Windows key is 1u for some cosmic reason. Ended up finding and buying an FL Esports K220 which is most like the Drop Shift in layout and I love it to pieces.
I reaaally cant choose. Any advice? Im looking at Id80 (V2 pcb) and perhaps acrylic bottom? Versus this gmmk pro. Will combine with boba u4 clear without extra mods. Open to other 75%s too but i cant find proper ones that dont cost 200 euro's plus
@@sgist7824 Google: 'ID80 with lubed Boba u4 | first build' that is the name of the reddit post! Went for the id80 v1 with pcb V2. Gmmk was gonna take too long and this one is absolutely amazing! With acrylic bottom
Kara typing feel and quality is actually much better (i had a chance to compare), but yeah, it is a plastic board. Some still might prefer it. I would not send KARA as being dead on arrival though, just a different board
Unpopular opinion: Only some enthusiasts care about the huge Glorious marketing. It's only present on the underneath of the board. No one is going to pick up your keyboard and look underneath and say "wow man I'm going to deduct a point from how much I like your setup cause of this logo."
Thanks for making this video! I've been looking into getting a FEKER IK75 since I wanted the GMMK Pro Wireless that Glorious doesn't even offer yet, so I had been wanting to see if I could use real GMMK Pro top shells and knobs on the IK75. Your video footage allows me to see if it'd be possible to do so! (I haven't received mine yet as of posting this comment)
idk why people complain i just build mine and i love it so much especially coming from mechanical generic gaming keyboards it’s such an upgrade. It is ridiculous how I spend $500 to build it tho
Alright hold up.... you're saying that I can actually get my hands on a decent case, hotswappable board etc, with a volume knob and F-row... for 180-200? Whelp... I can already see my GF rolling her eyes at me again.
Nice review. My thought mirror yours. I bought the silver kit and used my own switches and Dasher keycaps from DROP. It certainly has room for improvement to add some flex, however it's a fantastic keyboard for the price. I got mine on a sale for $139 and I'm very pleased with it for the money spent.
The only thing I don't like about it is the LED bars on the sides. The exploded 75% layout is perfection. Not worried about the stabs, I've found no difference practical difference in sound/feel between generic, GMK, and Durock stabs after tuning. Could not care less about how stabs sound stock, since no keyboards in this category come with have properly lubed stock stabs AFAIK.
I totally agree about the inner corners of the board. My XDA V2s sit so perilously close to scraping the sides (especially on the arrow cluster and 1x4 column), hella wack. Could've just made the clearance bigger and made the case higher-profile too, which would hide the corners of the case not complementing the keycaps or whatever.
I cant remove the screws near the engraved GLORIOUS only 2 of them will come out. Apparently pretty common on certain runs. Aside from that this is a great keyboard.
Gonna stick with the Niz Keyboards, better clonky sound, great build quality. I love it mostly for sound and typing feedback. the GMMK Pro sounds.... like any other keyboard if properly lubed and tinkered with
Thank you for your thoughts. I appreciate you finding out key points that would bother my OCD after spending a lot of money to customize this. You helped me realize that not even way more expensive keyboards are perfect. Thank you for saving my wallet.
Planning on reviewing Keychron Q1 soon? It seems to be giving GMMK a run for it's money. The flimsy metal side you demonstrated in this video on the GMMK Pro along with the plate sizing issue is steering me closer to the Q1.
Seems they did a decent job. I'm passing on my reservation though. Their "ice white" snafu is ridiculous. I don't need another silver keyboard. I ordered white.. thinking it was white. The poor VIA support is another hit.
What a great review. I had one in my cart and I'm on the fence now. I got burned with their model O mouse because their software needed the firmware update before use, and has actually NEVER worked on any of my devices. I worry that their keyboard software will be a complete failure to launch too. I'll just build another KBD75 with full control.
Could you please explain why PCB-mount stabs are preferable to plate-mount stabs? I like the look of the case (though I prefer TKL), but I can't trust GMMK after being jerked around by their 'help' department.
Just as a note, plate mounted stabs are not really bad at all as long as you lube and clip them and tune them well. I have a ton of OG Cherry ones that have been done prior to the terrible retooling and use them sometimes in side projects and stuff like that.
Probably the most useful review on this keeb I've seen so far - lots of great information and pleasant to watch. I haven't gotten to try a Kara, but if it has anything in common with the KBD67L, it might just be worth what they're asking. I love my monolithic metal keebs - but the best typing experience in my collection has an ABS plastic case and a polycarb plate, and costs less than the Pro here. It doesn't have the striking presence on a desk that a metal or even polycarbonate case keyboard does, but I keep coming back to that gasket-y goodness.
I like how you framed your reasoning, very concise and really did not feel like you were paid to say anything. I will be trying my hand at modding it and also painting it. Hopefully I can fill out the engraving or something.
At the time of writing, the knob can't be remapped at all through Core. If you flash QMK on it, you can map it to do whatever you want. However, I don't think it's possible to make the keyboard know what software it's controlling
This was amazingly in-depth man, holy crapppp
Came here to say this, holy moly.
Excellent work by @JYMV
JYMV is the definition of objective keyboard reviews, so wouldn't expect anything less. I just hope he gets more attention, maybe a shoutout in your videos?
Hamaji completely off topic but I've been watching you since tf2 days then you got me into mech keyboards
Hands down the best GMMK Pro Review
He’s been the fucking goat man
The tactility on the knobs is called detents/detented. Detents are the clicks you feel.
tho its worth noting that this encoder has wimpy detents
I only know this word because of Ian McCollum, aka Gun Jesus. Tangentially; gun oil isn't a bad choice for keeb springs.
@@davestephens3246 no dude what? you need to get more experience with encoders. the force of a detent is not exclusively dependent on how many it has, alps ec11es have a much more pronounced detent than this
Very professional video, lots of points covered that other reviewers missed. Love the way you present your sound comparisons.
Hope to see your channel grow
I know you said that glorious couldn't care about the community, but I have first-hand interaction with them in their discord with mods, staff, developers, and they want it to get better. Trust me they are dedicated to making this board everything it can be, and they look for a surprising amount of feedback.
mods, staff, developers can care about it but it can be only them so they look nice as company, who knows maybe they really care about feedback
I never hear anybody talk crap about the enthusiast keyboard vendors unless it's drop or glorious lol. and I feel like it's because they're bigger companies. I've had really bad experiences with a few vendors and people downvote the shit out of me on reddit if I complain. Like terrible quality control issues with boards that i waited forever for and spent a lot of money on which had cracks, warping and missing parts and bc of the small batch shit and limited supply they could only offer a partial refund or wait another three months to maybe get it fixed or a replacement. They should've turned it away at the factory. Same thing with switches. I understand that people feel like they need to protect these companies because they're small but they really just want the feeling of having an exclusive item, no matter the crap quality or service and that turns a lot of people off of the whole thing. Imagine getting into this for the first time, spending a lot of money on something you took a lot of time researching, getting a crap product, receiving crap service and the getting told by enhusiast online that you're wrong lol. But I see people upvote the smallest mistake from glorious or drop all the time. If they really want to evolve and be more inclusive, they need to call these "high quality" kb companies on their shit.
@@rks5457 I've actually had the same experiences. In terms of customer support, nothing has come close to glorious. They have sent me multiple items (for free) to fix issues if I had them. I'm very out of date with the keyboard community as I grew out of touch after getting some rather disappointing products from certain vendors and it is surprising to hear people are now shitting on glorious. People used to look at them with respect so I'm curious what changed.
@@notthottie9882for me it all boils down to these uber enthusiasts feeling like their exclusive hobby is being encroached upon by bigger companies. It's funny that these guys will act like they encourage novices to join the hobby but in reality, the nature of the current enthusiast keyboard scene has been built upon exclusivity and opinions about what feels and sounds good. It's like these uber enthusiasts feel threatened that the stuff they paid a lot of money for and waited a long time for is going to become not so exclusive and expensive because of these big companies. Their only defense is that the quality is not as good but that is really bs in my opinion as I've had terrible experiences with quality, like you and prob many others who don't speak up bc they will get downvote by the aforementioned enthusiasts. They talk about the gmmk pro's gasket system being a problem because of the standoffs that support the pcb but their only issue with it is that gasket systems with more flex sounds better, which is completely subjective and ignores the fact that a flexing pcb is NOT good for durability. And durability and build quality is something that these enthusiasts overlook it seems due to the fact that we typically own and use several boards and flip them quickly. And that's typically why we never see long term reviews.
People keep saying this is an entry or gateway keyboard but they really don't know that the likelihood of someone buying this just to buy several more keyboards later is not very high currently. They only see people who are into the hobby and not the ones who want 1 really good in stock keyboard and will use that for every day for many years. Which is the reason why companies like glorious and drop who both want to expand and become large high quality keyboard companies take durability into consideration.
I just feel like a lot of these keyboard companies and vendors need to figure out the future. Because currently there are a lot of problems that are not being talked about. Another issue is the Gmk keycaps market. These "designers" are screwing over the consumer hard and they know it. So much so that a "designer" is trying to sell a "meme" set of blank white keycaps. And of course these uber enthusiasts (I call em typebeasts) are falling head over heels for something you can buy for $20 and get right now. These "designers" are basically grabbing cash for something anybody can do with Gmk. and they do this preorder/group buy garbage which leaves literally no risk for the "designer" and all the risk for the buyer. I digress but I love nice keyboards but the community is worse than any hypebeast/street wear/air Jordan/Nike community out there in terms of ripping people off and providing bad quality and customer service. At least clothe can be seen as art inherently but enthusiast keyboards are seen as both art and higher quality but that's not the case for most of these overhyped, limited products.
@@rks5457my guy just wrote a three paragraph essay
Nice to see you point out the QC issues that often (Nearing always) go uncovered by any form of warranty in the GB community. Not that I don't understand why GBs don't have warranties, it just wouldn't make sense for limited productions. However I do feel that it is very positive having a relatively high quality production board for the vast majority of consumers who might otherwise decide to commit to a group buy, only to encounter potential issues that they don't know how to correct themselves.
And I hope that this will leads to further improvements in the keyboard scene, especially that Glorious learns from all the feedback they're getting on the GMMK Pro for future models. Because all-in-all, despite what some actors in the keyboard community might say, this is a really good entry into the medium-range keyboard scene.
There's a big unreliability factor for the vast majority of custom GB keyboards but are largely ignored when talking about how the gmmk pro isn't perfect, as if they forget it's a $170 board with a much higher reliability factor and customer support.
now i cant UNSEE the rounded corners where the keycaps go into LMAO 😂
And the only thing i am looking at is how the case could be just little bit higher profile to hide the bottom of the keycaps
We need more big players to make enthusiast grade products to bring prices down. Some of these group buys not only have insane costs of entry, the lead times are pretty bad too.
I mean I disagree and agree at the same time. While the wait times are yes, not the most friendly and or convenient, especially as a surprise to beginners, it isn’t necessarily bad. You have to keep in mind that people running GBs and the like are a part/from of the community itself and thus are not being backed up by a larger corporation and or company that can source parts and the like much easier while maintaining a quality product, unlike Razer, Corsair, Glorious.
This hobby is built on these prices and wait times, you’re asking a lot from such a niche and still growing and or newborn community. It’s growing rapidly, which is a positive. Your expectations in my honest opinion is somewhere where it shouldn’t be. You’re simply expecting to much. Alongside this. Companies like Razer, Corsair, and Glorious exists simply for this matter, to bring in stock and affordable products for the mass of consumers while GB runners and the like are not; they are focused on the mechanical keyboard community itself and thus don’t need to occupy their time on pleasing the masses. They are more focused on producing a quality product while improving said product through the community whilst bringing their rich and novel ideas into reality.
@@datjp I don't think expectations of the masses are misplaced, if the MK community wants to grow, it must adapt to providing more stock more often. How do you expect newcomers to react when they hear that a keyboard is quadruple the price of a normal retail board and you have to wait 6 to 12 months to receive it? Worse yet, what if someone finds a board or keycaps they like but turns out the GB ended 2 years ago?
I am glad that Glorious is challenging the GB model, which is clearly unsustainable but currently exists because of the nature of custom MK community as it stands. People talk about art, care, and effort by small GB runners but how can you expect newcomers to understand that when they can't get their hands on anything?
Are you going to review the cannonkeys bakeneko for comparison? Would be a contender for competitor at least in terms of feel (metal case and gummy oring mount) at a lower price point.
this is probably the most in-depth review i have seen of the gmmk pro
I see that you don't quite like the exploded look of the arrow keys. But, as a blank keyboard user, I must say that an exploded 75% layout makes us able to use the otherwise impossible 75% (due to the lack of function keys spacing and arrow keys).
I used to not like blockers on 65% keebs, preferring the look of one rectangular cluster... many, many fumbles feeling for the arrow keys later, I have seen the light, and now much prefer a 67-key layout to 68.
I feel like this is the most reasonable GMMK pro review being that there aren't overly high standards for a kb at this price point, but it isn't too optimistic as there are still some glaring flaws that need to be pointed out. Good review!
Now this is the review people actually need to see. Especially the part showing the differences with foam and no foam. I've seen too many reviews sound comparing the gmmk pro with stock foam to another board that doesn't have foam, gasket mount etc like the ID80 just because it's 75%. Also failing to mention that the standoffs will make the board more durable and most new people getting their first enthusiast keyboard want durability. A flexing pcb is NOT durable, it just sounds marginally better. Imagine how pissed a new consumer would be if the relatively expensive keyboard they just bought had some keys stop working because the hotswap sockets shot out from a flexing pcb? These types of people are going to want to daily this thing and will use it wayyy more than us enthusiasts who have several keyboards and barely put each through it's paces. And these potential kb enthusiasts would wonder why nobody talks about durability or long term tests when it comes to keyboards..
Enjoyed the objective and very detailed look for the construction. Hopefully you can modify your extra plate to resolve the alignment issues! Feel bad for the Glorious software devs and also hope that once they bring it fully in house things will go better.
C'mon flex batch! 🤞🤞
@Last Minute oof
@Lott3r that's if you ordered today when to expect it, which is a 3 month window. A lot of people ordered momths ago so some folks on Reddit put together an unofficial tracker.
@@PapaShuffler what is the link to this unofficial tracker? lol
@@Only1nirvana www.reddit.com/r/glorious/comments/mzt7ao/gmmk_pro_order_progress_tracker/?
@Last Minute i Said fuck that and ordered a idobao id80 v2 instead
Mines just got in an hour ago, and while I am happy with the results. there is something that isn't being brought up: the incredibly tight screws. This board is supposed to be a modifiable product, but the screws are so uncomfortable tight, you risk stripping the tops of them. After replacing the stabilizers, I've stripped 2 screws: a case screw and a screw in the middle of the board. Those two screws alone were so difficult to remove. I think an easy remedy is to have the board come disassembled, similar to many keyboard kits in the enthusiast market. That way, we don't have Goku in the factory tightening these keyboard screws.
Sorry to hear that. I didn't mention it because I didn't have that issue on my unit. But I believe you 100% with just how many reports of inconsistencies I've heard about this board
@@JYMV All good, just thought I should leave that thought here. This is probably the more accurate and detailed reviews of the GMMK Pro out there.
Lol, Goku. Relatable - I’m about to send mine back because I can’t remove one of the screws. :(
Super video! I applauded for $5.00 👏👏
Thank you so much!
will come in iso hotswap and the only other board is the idobao v2 in also iso hotswap but that is a integrated top plate design and the gmmk pro is a gasket mount with other plate options. i love this board because i think every keyboard enthusiasts needs a hotswap board they can use to try switches and try keycaps before they make something more custom or expensive and i run iso DE layout so all hotswap boards are not usable for me. i’m glad they made a iso hotswap.
For me, this seems to be the best option for a first time, up market build. I planned on using aftermarket stabs anyways, and will be just getting the base DIY, no switches, caps or cables. I will be getting those elsewhere.
I can't imagine the time you put into this video my guy.
Great review.
I just got mine last week and after the first reviews came out I was really worried about the quality but I’m actually impressed with what I got despite the shortcomings.
The design is plain and nothing to write home about but with a few mods I think this board has a lot of potential to be a good board.
I don’t think it will tame the custom market because the snobs are all going to scoff at spending less than $300 for just the board itself with a company like GMMK. I do hope the board sells well and I do hope they make revisions and improve on what’s there now. If they could also do it in a way that original buyers of the first revision could just buy upgrade parts then that would be great.
Don’t get me wrong there are some really nice custom boards out there but it’s become so much more about jumping on a group buy and having something no one else has rather than just having what you want and what you need. Oh man, I spent $400 on a group buy and then bought a rare set of key caps for $400 more. Then I spent another $200 on a custom cable and switches so I win at keyboards. The GMMK pro wanted to bring custom end features to the mainstream for a more consumer friendly price and while they weren’t 100% successful, they had a good start and I applaud their first effort.
I would say as a prspective buyer im more interested in bakeneko60 in this price point if i want something metal (if we are talking about price only) That is if it can be obtained easily (it is not), and whether or not you are willing to sacrifice look (i heard some who own it says that the finish is mediocre at best) over sound and feel.
That being said, gmmk pro definitely have it own place and room for improvement. Good review as always 👍
too picky
I cannot understand why people actually (I've done it for the lolz and have joked about it) root for companies to make bad products.
It's just a waste of time, energy and materials. And someone is gonna be buying something that's not good.
It doesn't make any sense. Especially when you (the haters) haven't even tried it.
I looked looked and decide I am also not big fan of exploded arrows on 75%
It is good you compare them to kddfans because indeed they are their competitors
Super well done! Good commentary all around alongside all the proper demonstrations.
A very serious warning to anyone considering buying this keyboard for the RGB. There is a dirty little secret that reviewers are not discussing. And that is, the readability via the top of the keys as it relates to the RGB light. It's extremely DIM. On a scale of 1 to 10, it's a sold 1 and even that is being generous. The RGB light coming out and from under the keys is fine. If you are in a dark / low light setting like I am and like to read the numbers, letters, etc on your keyboard, forget it. You won't be able to. I bought the silver GMMK Pro, silver switches, puddin caps, a custom red knob, a red usb-c cord, dropped over $300 and was left speechless when I plugged in the keyboard. I really love this keyboard but I am not one of those types that doesn't care about RGB. I am. So I am taking everything back to Microcenter next week. I am hoping that Glorious can address this issue by releasing VERY bright RGB switches that match HyperX's mechanical keys.
Has anyone successfully used their software to map to the right click / menu key? Not right click on a mouse, the right click key specifically (it's different, doesn't depend where your mouse is)
Great video! I just recently purchased the GMMK PRO last wee. I know I'm late commenting on this video, but what kind of keycaps are on your GMMK PRO?
I guess Glorious has payed attention to something......I recently received my GMMK Pro and I can honestly say that I have not had any of the issues that I have heard about. The screws came out easily when I took it apart, the spacing on my aftermarket cherry compatable key caps was spot on, no visible curvature or bending in the PCB board, software and RGB works fine also. Im not too crazy about really loud boards so I kept both foams in, Did the triple gasket and tempest tape mods, got the glorious panda (unlubed) switches, lubed up the switches and stock stabs with some krytox and it actually types, feels and sounds perfect to my preference. removal of the foams can help suit your preference but I have a baby at home and combined with working in an office setting, a loud KB isn't always going to cut it for me but this config worked great and I have no complaints about this keyboard. Great video ! Very well done.
Sorry to hear that you hate the leopold fc980-like layouts. I personally love them because it has all the keys I want while also saving some space.
Nice review though.
I really hate compact keyboards. They just look so bad to me. Can't stand it at all.
I'd have gone for an FC980 myself if I hadn't noticed the Windows key is 1u for some cosmic reason. Ended up finding and buying an FL Esports K220 which is most like the Drop Shift in layout and I love it to pieces.
What other keyboard was that around the 1:35 mark?
That's the TX75 V1
so many gate keepers hate this keyboard. It's quite good imo.
I reaaally cant choose. Any advice? Im looking at Id80 (V2 pcb) and perhaps acrylic bottom? Versus this gmmk pro. Will combine with boba u4 clear without extra mods. Open to other 75%s too but i cant find proper ones that dont cost 200 euro's plus
I'm between the two as well, which did you go for?
@@sgist7824 Google: 'ID80 with lubed Boba u4 | first build' that is the name of the reddit post! Went for the id80 v1 with pcb V2. Gmmk was gonna take too long and this one is absolutely amazing! With acrylic bottom
@@richburmond6761 Awesome thank you
@@sgist7824 no problem! And take the chocolate color, that is the best one. I got it too and it is like bronzy
Just say F U to people that is complaining and don't understand, they will probably complain either way, why waste energy on them?
lol at kara being dead on arrival
Kara typing feel and quality is actually much better (i had a chance to compare), but yeah, it is a plastic board. Some still might prefer it. I would not send KARA as being dead on arrival though, just a different board
@@alekseysher4807 yeah i completely agree. i was laughing at that comment more so because i thought it was so off base
I didn't confirm my reservation because I reserved it too early into the hobby then realized there are better options if I spend $100 more or so.
the quality difference is astounding. Scarlet is $100 more and look at what you get.
the tick box keyboard, I love it XD
Mx browns are bad youre in denial
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
idk about anyone but plate foam sounded nice on both
Will you be doing a review on the kbd67 lite, continuing on reviewing more budget oriented keyboards?
So which is the best setup for typing, I have to remove the whole bottom foam right?
Definitely agree about the offset arrow keys. Always annoys me to look at.
Great review. Finally someone who also noticed the bow on the PC plate and mentioned it on a review.
Unpopular opinion: Only some enthusiasts care about the huge Glorious marketing. It's only present on the underneath of the board. No one is going to pick up your keyboard and look underneath and say "wow man I'm going to deduct a point from how much I like your setup cause of this logo."
Thanks for making this video! I've been looking into getting a FEKER IK75 since I wanted the GMMK Pro Wireless that Glorious doesn't even offer yet, so I had been wanting to see if I could use real GMMK Pro top shells and knobs on the IK75.
Your video footage allows me to see if it'd be possible to do so! (I haven't received mine yet as of posting this comment)
Looking forward to your Keychron Q1 review.
idk why people complain i just build mine and i love it so much especially coming from mechanical generic gaming keyboards it’s such an upgrade. It is ridiculous how I spend $500 to build it tho
An extremely professional and amazingly in depth video!! Loved the info given and helped me with my purchase :)
Alright hold up.... you're saying that I can actually get my hands on a decent case, hotswappable board etc, with a volume knob and F-row... for 180-200? Whelp... I can already see my GF rolling her eyes at me again.
thanks, stitch i really needed your help! /srs
Nice review. My thought mirror yours. I bought the silver kit and used my own switches and Dasher keycaps from DROP. It certainly has room for improvement to add some flex, however it's a fantastic keyboard for the price. I got mine on a sale for $139 and I'm very pleased with it for the money spent.
The only thing I don't like about it is the LED bars on the sides. The exploded 75% layout is perfection. Not worried about the stabs, I've found no difference practical difference in sound/feel between generic, GMK, and Durock stabs after tuning. Could not care less about how stabs sound stock, since no keyboards in this category come with have properly lubed stock stabs AFAIK.
I totally agree about the inner corners of the board. My XDA V2s sit so perilously close to scraping the sides (especially on the arrow cluster and 1x4 column), hella wack. Could've just made the clearance bigger and made the case higher-profile too, which would hide the corners of the case not complementing the keycaps or whatever.
I cant remove the screws near the engraved GLORIOUS only 2 of them will come out. Apparently pretty common on certain runs. Aside from that this is a great keyboard.
Gonna stick with the Niz Keyboards, better clonky sound, great build quality. I love it mostly for sound and typing feedback.
the GMMK Pro sounds.... like any other keyboard if properly lubed and tinkered with
Great review. So great I bought a gmmk pro, c3 equalz plate mount stabs, milky yellows, 205g0 lube and switch films. Very keen for this board
Thank you for your thoughts. I appreciate you finding out key points that would bother my OCD after spending a lot of money to customize this. You helped me realize that not even way more expensive keyboards are perfect. Thank you for saving my wallet.
Planning on reviewing Keychron Q1 soon? It seems to be giving GMMK a run for it's money. The flimsy metal side you demonstrated in this video on the GMMK Pro along with the plate sizing issue is steering me closer to the Q1.
this keyboard needs a revision ..C'mon Gasket KB without the feeling of a proper flexing is a dimmer....
QMK and VIA now work btw. You can ditch the stock firmware easily. Apparently it reduces input lag by a lot too.
Seems they did a decent job. I'm passing on my reservation though. Their "ice white" snafu is ridiculous. I don't need another silver keyboard. I ordered white.. thinking it was white.
The poor VIA support is another hit.
I am glad I was here for the premiere.
does he talk about latency
how do i down load the software
What a great review. I had one in my cart and I'm on the fence now. I got burned with their model O mouse because their software needed the firmware update before use, and has actually NEVER worked on any of my devices. I worry that their keyboard software will be a complete failure to launch too. I'll just build another KBD75 with full control.
what keycaps brands are those white black pink one??
That's GMK Olivia
What are the key caps?
I prefer exploded or otherwise seperate arrow keys, they're easier to find without looking.
Could you please explain why PCB-mount stabs are preferable to plate-mount stabs?
I like the look of the case (though I prefer TKL), but I can't trust GMMK after being jerked around by their 'help' department.
Stability. they have less play and feel better than plate mount. They also won't pop out when you change a keycap.
It's sad that so many wanted this to fail. Edgelords gotta have their edges to lord over I guess.
Great review
Just as a note, plate mounted stabs are not really bad at all as long as you lube and clip them and tune them well. I have a ton of OG Cherry ones that have been done prior to the terrible retooling and use them sometimes in side projects and stuff like that.
Rarely find such a good review on youtube!!! *clap*
very very good review
alot of work put in this review, good stuff! quality content!
JYMV actually using lubed switches? wtf
Probably the most useful review on this keeb I've seen so far - lots of great information and pleasant to watch.
I haven't gotten to try a Kara, but if it has anything in common with the KBD67L, it might just be worth what they're asking. I love my monolithic metal keebs - but the best typing experience in my collection has an ABS plastic case and a polycarb plate, and costs less than the Pro here. It doesn't have the striking presence on a desk that a metal or even polycarbonate case keyboard does, but I keep coming back to that gasket-y goodness.
will u be doing a review on the kbd67 lite r1/r2? .o.
What was the middle keyboard at 2:04??
That's the original TX75
Just wait for the next Iteration if you can hold out it's not bad though
Best content out there.
Hope Glorious pick this up and take note - super detailed with a lot of constructive feedback. Good job!
I like how you framed your reasoning, very concise and really did not feel like you were paid to say anything. I will be trying my hand at modding it and also painting it. Hopefully I can fill out the engraving or something.
@JYMV Where did you get those key caps? I'm looking for those NSWE arrow keys!!
They came as a part of GMK Camping
The "lower than high" profile ruins it for me. It has the illusion of high profile until keycaps are put on and then it just looks weird.
It's to let the RGB shine out a bit more maybe?
If only it weren’t impossible to find a key cap set
Can you remap the nob for custom controls for software like premiere or AE? Like scrub and press to cut for example?
At the time of writing, the knob can't be remapped at all through Core. If you flash QMK on it, you can map it to do whatever you want.
However, I don't think it's possible to make the keyboard know what software it's controlling
Are those GMK Camping or a clone? If theyre a clone, can you link me?
They are GMK
Anyone know where to get those white/black/peach key caps? I want them so bad
The name is GMK Olivia if that helps with your search
I won’t go to any other reviews except for yours!
Hey, another Vim user!
am i crazy or the aluminum with no foam sounds best?
Hmm. If only these were real.
Your reviews always seem to be the most grounded.
What is keycap of the middle board (75%, 84-key onne) @2:04 ?
That's GMK Oblivion, Git base kit
very good review!
The description says it all. Nothing else to add.
whats is that 1st keyboard @2.03 on the video ??
That's the bella from kbdfans
you mean it adds a function row to a 65%
I seen that order number (;