The Lowdown with Miles Shaffer Episode #45 : Mounting Telemark Skis
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- Опубликовано: 13 янв 2022
- This week on The Lowdown @mileshaffer chats about mounting position and location for Telemark Skis. He goes through the differences of mount point as well as the most popular locations we have been mounting skis here at the shop.
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Miles Shaffer is the Shop Manager at the Freeheel Life Telemark ski shop in Salt Lake City, UT. He has been Telemark skiing for 4 seasons and loves everything about the Telemark turn. He loves to help others, and build strong relationships through the Telemark Community.
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Cheers thanks mate.
I just mounted shift plates + 22Designs Outlaw X on a 171cm Liberty Origin 96. I had a shop drill the holes, then a buddy helped me mount the plates (former ski rep).
We mounted the bindings in the hole in front of the screw holes for the shift plates (front holes) see plates here - - we tried to get the alpine boot center close to the ski center line.
I ski in the southeast, so mostly hard pack/mixed. The tails really washed out. Now, the skis are about 7cm wider than my old skis, but when I looked at my old Rottofellas, they were a lot further back.
I felt like when I got good front pressure, the tails just wanted to skid. I think they were a little too far forward. So I moved them back 2 holes and they ski much much better. I'm tempted to move the back further, but I'll have to move the plastic plate back some so the outlaws will engage.
I'm pretty happy as is.
One question I have is more in depth questions on why you would mount them fore/aft? Example, would carving turns be better to be back further? More aggressive skiing, backward? Powder forward? Etc.
Thanks for always putting out rad videos!
It is simple...find the exact narrowest part of the ski. the exact midpoint of the sidecut curve. Mount the binding so the ball of the foot is on that line. You should be able to drive the turn with the ball of the foot.
Back 2-3cm always felt better for me. Since the ski is being driven with the front half of the boot, it seems that should be over the narrowest point of the ski to optimize carving performance. I also value stability at speed. If you value agility over speed perhaps alpine mount feels better?
I find Voile to be pretty on the mark for boot center. On alpine skis I usually go -2cm from recommended. *shrug*
Curious if you compared the boot center mark to side cut center differences of those two skis. I wonder if that measurement would be much more similar.
Place same model ski touching side by side and slide a piece of paper fore and aft between the skis to mark where they touch. Mark center of this and measure to recommended boot center.
I am trying to figure out if it is better to ski a narrower waist ski drilled further back, such that my tails sink and my tips rise in powder, versus a wider ski. In other words, wider isn’t always better for powder. Especially for touring and maneuverability.
I have 96, 106, 108, and 128 under foot skis currently in service. I find the 96, (K2 wayback 96) to ski great in soft snow, but I bought them too long the first time. I broke them while under warranty up in Revy, and when I replaced them I did so with a shorter ski, (177 vs 184). I think the shop may have mounted the 184 -2cm from recommended and the 177 on recommended. The 177 skis much better for me, except in deep snow. So I got the Wayback 106 and noticed the recommend line is further back relative to the 96. This makes sense as they are powder skis. What I am currently deciding (picking up Wayback 106 today, mounted with Meidjo’s) is wether I want to get another 96 and mount further back or if the 106 with do the trick for soft snow and I just rock the 96 on firmer days.
I love my 128 under foot skis, as I ride high over powder and chop, but they are harder to turn. Great for huge fast turns, not good for tight turns. This is a product of ski evolution over the past 20 years, skis got super fat and now the super fat profiles are less popular.
So for Tele, especially back/slack country orientated telemark, I think lighter directional touring skis maybe the ideal profile, mounted such that you sink the tails a bit.
It is all so confusing since with Roteffella and Meidjo you can shift the bindings back and forth without re-drilling to dial in the mount.
Understood that with NTN it's now recommended to mount on boot center line. On 75mm i was usually 3-4 cm behind boot center line. But how can I find the boot center line when there are no marks on the skis?
Consult the manufacturer. I just bought some voiles (not marked) all I had to do was go their website. They publish a chart each year with every ski (in every size) and its center. Then all you need is a tape measure!
Who recommended the line for telemark skier? Most Skis are recommended for alpine skier.
The issue I struggle with is the recommended mount point for an alpine ski may optimally be different for a tele skier on that ski. My view is that there’s more directional force on the toe of a tele boot/turn whereas an alpine boot/turn is more uniform so you’re out front more on a tele stance than alpine, resulting in being more forward on the ski than an alpine manufacturer anticipated. I’ve found it best to slip back +/- 2 cm to compensate. I’ve actually remounted skis off the alpine recommended boot point and felt they skied better for me. Just my two cents - curious on reaction from others?
@@davidlazerwitz274 I agree completely. The last two mounts I did, I ended up pushing the bindings back from boot center.
@@davidlazerwitz274 I feel like recommended alpine is no different from tele. Mount it recommended
Yo! This is my conundrum as well. I sometimes ski my teles in an Alpine stance and for me that supports boot center on the manufacturer’s recommended line. But as soon as I switch into tele mode I am putting my weight on my forefoot which is now well forward of the manufacturer’s line on the ski and where the manufacturer was intending your weight be placed on the ski. Should you compensate on tele mounts by pulling the binding back a given number of centimeters? And that is only for the trailing ski that has the heel raised...the other ski is in more alpine mode. I guess if the dudes that made this video and are living lives dedicated to being tele gods I’ll follow their edict of 90 to 95% end up mounting boot center on the ski manufactures line…guess it just spins my head to do it the same as an alpine ski. End of ramble. 😂
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