I've always struggled to figure out what the hell Ni is as an Ne user but the analogy with the painting that gets a higher resolution as the idea develops funnily enough clears things up for me
Interesting point about "once Ne put our ideas out, they become part of the environment to be used (paraphrasing here)" because I tend to constantly retype/restructure everything I type (with more information added as I do so) the more I read my own sentences, sometimes even changing my whole point, much like how I redefine what I'm trying to say in a conversation. Btw this comment was only a quarter as long when I initially "finished."
The explanation you gave about argument formation is something I've never heard before, but could immediately understand and relate to. Well done, sir!
Agree with your deductions. On a side note though... A Ti heavy INFJ would be more introverted, and an Fe heavy ENTP the opposite. From the perspectives of others, an Fe heavy ENTP would be easier to recognise due to the extraverted nature. And about the Ti child playing with paradoxes, you are right... It's fun to find the limits in human logic, but not bothered to solve it XD
I love everything about this video. The explanation you gave as to why people might ponder this question are the exact same reasons I was searching for this video. The analogy with the painting, wow, that helps a lot (even though I feel I do both at times, the Ne type of talking when a subject is new to me and the Ni type when I've mastered a subject and am teaching). The different ways a parent and child function express themselves was more difficult for me to relate to, but maybe that's because I'm 39 and the child has been growing up. Fantastic video. I've been looking into these cognitive functions and the personality types for a few weeks now and it's fascinating, especially now that I'm diving more into the nuances like the ones you talked about in this video. Really valuable insights, thx 😊
Great discussion Ren! I love the way you explained it! Best explanation of the ENTP/ INFJ differences & similarities. My sister is ENTP and I always wondered why we appear similar but different. we have a lot of similarities in how we view the world. We get along great! Her extroversion is definitely more apparent than mine in new social situations. I enjoy conversations that is deep, thought provoking & reflective and I get drained really fast if the topic remain surface level but she enjoys talking at both levels. Thanks Ren!👍🏾
The difference between Ne and Ni is that Ne has to observe the pattern in the environment before it can be applied somewhere else (that's why Ne users can jump from one subject to a different subject and relay how those two completely different things share the same pattern) whereas Ni internalize their own patterns and can even invent and complete non-complete patterns (but there's no jumping with Ni, because to the Ni user everything is consecutive and follows a path). This is why Jordan Peterson is an ENTP, as an INTP I have no issues whatsoever following along with his jumps because I see the underlying patterns he's comparing whereas to other people it can seem like pointless ramble.
I wouldn’t say it’s consecutive as much as it’s all in the same big fuzzy bubble. Better yet I picture The Blob just rolling around collecting things that get stuck within it. You can’t place it but it’s in there somewhere for you to pull out when you need it. I also relate to Jordan Peterson and his way of thinking. Maybe it’s just easier for intuitives to understand in general. Making intuitive jumps backed up by little pieces of data that has been observed.
Ne-dominants are conceptually all over the place, always seeking new versions of understandings of concepts and getting new concepts from several sources at the same time. We're like conceptual explorers. Or conceptual hoarders, if you'd like to see it that way. (and here I am being my own example by mentioning two different ways to see the same thing without even really noticing I was doing it 🤠) (or would that maybe be more Ni-like? 🧐 seems more like Ne, because what I was really doing there was trying to include perspectives different kind of people may have on the same thing, rather than developing a single understanding of something...)
I have heard Ni described as doing what you just did. Being able to hold multiple perspectives and ways of seeing one thing, and being able to see how someone else might see the thing.
Okay wow, thanks for the video answer, very nice comparison, i like both comparisons you made in the video, now i think im more likely an an Ne-Ti or Ti-Ne, i guess now ill be waiting for the intp vs entp video 😂 thanks for the video answer im really gratefull it helped a lot♥️
Really cool analysis. I agree. Ne dom are little pranksters, they looks like Ni dom, when they recharge from "sensory overload" by being lonely. It's a curious variation of energy. As if they could switch between ENTP and INTJ, for ENTP. And between ENFP and INFJ for ENFP. Ne and Si are strange functions.
What exactly do you mean by "pranksters" though? What is that exactly supposed to mean? ENTP here and I'm grasping to understand. To me, we constancy search for knowledge in the outside world, we need it, we watch carefully patterns repeat themselves in the same or different ways and we connect the information, we NEED to explore the world in order to internalize the knowledge later and come to logical conclusion (the Ti obviously takes over here) but the environment around us is incredibly exciting and it is there because it waits for us to discover it. One perspective for 1 thing is stupid in reality and far away from the truth since we know, all of us do, that there are many ways to look at one thing and in order to have a holistic as realistic as possible view of something you do need to examine them all. I suppose all that das Ne a bit more analysed down now. What exactly is a pranker in that? And why is Si a weird function?
I am definitely a quite quite heavy DE ENTP, very emotional l should say and I noticed I am a deep idealist and care deeply about others and if they feel good or not but at the same time my love for authenticity, truth, facts and logic are also strong and very intense and I can somehow totally relate with all the INFJs I ever met in my life.. In fact I totally love them, I admire them for their deep authentic nature and their high morals and I always used to relate to things infj's find important, now I understand more why this was happening, lol. The only great differences I see are that I am also quite extroverted in an.. introverted way and I could debate someone about philosophy or politics for hours. I don't get insulted personally either cuz I detach the opinion of others about Topics completely from me and if I find them stupid I don't even pay attention to what they say. But the inner world of infj's for me are the highest form of humanity.. I relate to them in ways I cannot explain. Your video helped me understand the coalition of our worlds a bit better and I'm so thankfil of your good job on it!
I'm definitely not an ENTP. Lol. You helped me understand the ENTP better, though, and I hadn't thought about how similar or closely related they are. I just can't imagine someone being confused, but then I haven't spoken to many of either type. Thanks, Ren.
I think based on this I'm an ENTP. My Ti definitely feels more adult-like than my Fe. I sometimes think that Ni seems strangely familiar, but usually Ne makes more sense for me.
Good discussion. I can fake extroversion, especially online. I can make jokes all day, lobbing them out from behind the desk. I was also exposed to the life of my extroverted husband for half of my life. We had many parties and he had a large family also. In a short time I learned it wasn’t that nice to bring a book. I’m still me and that busyness light chatter is a drain. That said, I do have a significant childlike side and my naïveté has set me up for some less honorable types. I’m learning to see life as it is, not I wish it to be. Live and learn. The online joking is fun and not draining when it’s responding to the “set-up”-a premise posted that people invent funny responses to. Also, I mod on a serious channel and it’s same creator’s sister channel which is draining after a while and a channel devoted to random discussions. That one allows any joke cracking and it’s great fun but eventually draining.
How to tell if you're and INFJ or ENTP? It's easy!! INFJs are weird, and ENTPs are not. If you see someome walking straight and stiff, definitely an INFJ. It's as if they're afraid of taking up space. And it you see someone taking up all the space and even falling over and just don't care, it's an ENTP.
@@justinb9612 my friend is an INFJ, and she cracks me up on the inside when I watch her sometimes, she is not shy at all, but it's almost as if she's hyper aware of herself and her movements, that she has to fold herself up as to not get in other ppl's way. Which is oppossite of me. I don't care about bumping into other ppl, I take up space. Lots of them. But I don't think she's aware of her laugh cus she laughs loud almost like a scream. 🤣🤣
entp infj here, both of my Ne and Ni score is 32, and my Fe Ti score 31. And my Se Si score is the lowest. I am always not sure about my mbti until i took sakinova test to know my score. I also can be classified as enfp if my Te is higher a bit
hello Renaud, i have a crazy situation on my work. i work from homeoffice and we do two videocalls a week. a new woman emplyoee joined our team and shes an empath, me and she sensed it after a few calls. now she kinda falled in love with me a little or maybe a lot, its defenetly a deeper connection, because meeting a INFJ is rly rare and i guess shes overwelmed too, like me a little, but iam more calm and can deal with it a little better i think. iam not 100% sure if shes a type of infj, but at least empathic and rly helpfull. any way. the thing is and thats the crazy part, my superior felt in love with her and he is rly kind now and u can hear and feel it, also see how he bahaves....., its rly fking tricky situation, what would you do XDD. i probably will offer her my help with this emotional situaton. but this situation can be rly dangerous for the team, because someone who gets hurt and is low vibrationel...... can be get rly evil .... omg.... its so crazy
my superior also acts like a chield a little, hes rly in love with her..... i cant even stand the whole situation anymore. its just so crazy, shes felt in love with me and he felt in love with her. and so fking uncomftable :DD. damnnnnnnn; WHY ME, WHY ALWAYS ME ? HAHAHAH
Hi Ren,hope you're doing well. Have you ever noticed Fe trying to mimic other types humor? Edit: I should've said "adopt" in lieu of "mimic". Edit: Sorry I had accidentally pressed the dislike buttion(in case u were wondering)😅
is a pluviophile; hypochondriac; has experienced a synchronicity; most likely has read declassified FB!/C!A files; obsessed with aesthetics; has a bujo or Notion acct; whether they admit it or not, is a soc!al democr@t; secretly knowledgeable about astrology; if you see their eyes light up when you mention "hygge" or "ikigai". LOL. If at least 4 apply, then INFJ.
I've always struggled to figure out what the hell Ni is as an Ne user but the analogy with the painting that gets a higher resolution as the idea develops funnily enough clears things up for me
Interesting point about "once Ne put our ideas out, they become part of the environment to be used (paraphrasing here)" because I tend to constantly retype/restructure everything I type (with more information added as I do so) the more I read my own sentences, sometimes even changing my whole point, much like how I redefine what I'm trying to say in a conversation.
Btw this comment was only a quarter as long when I initially "finished."
The explanation you gave about argument formation is something I've never heard before, but could immediately understand and relate to. Well done, sir!
Agree with your deductions.
On a side note though... A Ti heavy INFJ would be more introverted, and an Fe heavy ENTP the opposite. From the perspectives of others, an Fe heavy ENTP would be easier to recognise due to the extraverted nature. And about the Ti child playing with paradoxes, you are right... It's fun to find the limits in human logic, but not bothered to solve it XD
I love everything about this video. The explanation you gave as to why people might ponder this question are the exact same reasons I was searching for this video. The analogy with the painting, wow, that helps a lot (even though I feel I do both at times, the Ne type of talking when a subject is new to me and the Ni type when I've mastered a subject and am teaching). The different ways a parent and child function express themselves was more difficult for me to relate to, but maybe that's because I'm 39 and the child has been growing up.
Fantastic video. I've been looking into these cognitive functions and the personality types for a few weeks now and it's fascinating, especially now that I'm diving more into the nuances like the ones you talked about in this video. Really valuable insights, thx 😊
Great discussion Ren! I love the way you explained it! Best explanation of the ENTP/ INFJ differences & similarities. My sister is ENTP and I always wondered why we appear similar but different. we have a lot of similarities in how we view the world. We get along great! Her extroversion is definitely more apparent than mine in new social situations. I enjoy conversations that is deep, thought provoking & reflective and I get drained really fast if the topic remain surface level but she enjoys talking at both levels. Thanks Ren!👍🏾
The most concrete differences between Ne & Ni I've heard
The ENTP have fun to put the infj in very uncomfortable but fun situations. The infj have that you gonna sleep in the couch look afterwards
Very Easy,,, entps get things done and they have real friends 😆😆😆 us infjs we are up in the clouds ☁️ ☁️ instead ,, but still we are similar sometimes
The difference between Ne and Ni is that Ne has to observe the pattern in the environment before it can be applied somewhere else (that's why Ne users can jump from one subject to a different subject and relay how those two completely different things share the same pattern) whereas Ni internalize their own patterns and can even invent and complete non-complete patterns (but there's no jumping with Ni, because to the Ni user everything is consecutive and follows a path).
This is why Jordan Peterson is an ENTP, as an INTP I have no issues whatsoever following along with his jumps because I see the underlying patterns he's comparing whereas to other people it can seem like pointless ramble.
This is a really good post
I wouldn’t say it’s consecutive as much as it’s all in the same big fuzzy bubble. Better yet I picture The Blob just rolling around collecting things that get stuck within it. You can’t place it but it’s in there somewhere for you to pull out when you need it.
I also relate to Jordan Peterson and his way of thinking. Maybe it’s just easier for intuitives to understand in general. Making intuitive jumps backed up by little pieces of data that has been observed.
Ne-dominants are conceptually all over the place, always seeking new versions of understandings of concepts and getting new concepts from several sources at the same time. We're like conceptual explorers. Or conceptual hoarders, if you'd like to see it that way. (and here I am being my own example by mentioning two different ways to see the same thing without even really noticing I was doing it 🤠) (or would that maybe be more Ni-like? 🧐 seems more like Ne, because what I was really doing there was trying to include perspectives different kind of people may have on the same thing, rather than developing a single understanding of something...)
I have heard Ni described as doing what you just did. Being able to hold multiple perspectives and ways of seeing one thing, and being able to see how someone else might see the thing.
Okay wow, thanks for the video answer, very nice comparison, i like both comparisons you made in the video, now i think im more likely an an Ne-Ti or Ti-Ne, i guess now ill be waiting for the intp vs entp video 😂 thanks for the video answer im really gratefull it helped a lot♥️
You’re welcome SiiL3nT, I’m happy this was helpful : )
Really cool analysis. I agree.
Ne dom are little pranksters, they looks like Ni dom, when they recharge from "sensory overload" by being lonely.
It's a curious variation of energy. As if they could switch between ENTP and INTJ, for ENTP. And between ENFP and INFJ for ENFP.
Ne and Si are strange functions.
What exactly do you mean by "pranksters" though? What is that exactly supposed to mean? ENTP here and I'm grasping to understand.
To me, we constancy search for knowledge in the outside world, we need it, we watch carefully patterns repeat themselves in the same or different ways and we connect the information, we NEED to explore the world in order to internalize the knowledge later and come to logical conclusion (the Ti obviously takes over here) but the environment around us is incredibly exciting and it is there because it waits for us to discover it. One perspective for 1 thing is stupid in reality and far away from the truth since we know, all of us do, that there are many ways to look at one thing and in order to have a holistic as realistic as possible view of something you do need to examine them all.
I suppose all that das Ne a bit more analysed down now. What exactly is a pranker in that?
And why is Si a weird function?
I am definitely a quite quite heavy DE ENTP, very emotional l should say and I noticed I am a deep idealist and care deeply about others and if they feel good or not but at the same time my love for authenticity, truth, facts and logic are also strong and very intense and I can somehow totally relate with all the INFJs I ever met in my life.. In fact I totally love them, I admire them for their deep authentic nature and their high morals and I always used to relate to things infj's find important, now I understand more why this was happening, lol.
The only great differences I see are that I am also quite extroverted in an.. introverted way and I could debate someone about philosophy or politics for hours. I don't get insulted personally either cuz I detach the opinion of others about Topics completely from me and if I find them stupid I don't even pay attention to what they say.
But the inner world of infj's for me are the highest form of humanity.. I relate to them in ways I cannot explain. Your video helped me understand the coalition of our worlds a bit better and I'm so thankfil of your good job on it!
I'm definitely not an ENTP. Lol. You helped me understand the ENTP better, though, and I hadn't thought about how similar or closely related they are. I just can't imagine someone being confused, but then I haven't spoken to many of either type. Thanks, Ren.
Fascinating! Thank you 🙏🏻
I think based on this I'm an ENTP. My Ti definitely feels more adult-like than my Fe. I sometimes think that Ni seems strangely familiar, but usually Ne makes more sense for me.
My Ne Ni score is same, 32 both. Also entp & infj has same 2nd &3rd cognitive function. No wonder sometimes i can be entp and infj depend on situation
Good discussion. I can fake extroversion, especially online. I can make jokes all day, lobbing them out from behind the desk. I was also exposed to the life of my extroverted husband for half of my life. We had many parties and he had a large family also. In a short time I learned it wasn’t that nice to bring a book. I’m still me and that busyness light chatter is a drain. That said, I do have a significant childlike side and my naïveté has set me up for some less honorable types. I’m learning to see life as it is, not I wish it to be. Live and learn.
The online joking is fun and not draining when it’s responding to the “set-up”-a premise posted that people invent funny responses to. Also, I mod on a serious channel and it’s same creator’s sister channel which is draining after a while and a channel devoted to random discussions. That one allows any joke cracking and it’s great fun but eventually draining.
How to tell if you're and INFJ or ENTP? It's easy!! INFJs are weird, and ENTPs are not. If you see someome walking straight and stiff, definitely an INFJ. It's as if they're afraid of taking up space. And it you see someone taking up all the space and even falling over and just don't care, it's an ENTP.
That would make me INFJ, though sometimes I can be the other way. More often I feel weird taking up space.
@@justinb9612 my friend is an INFJ, and she cracks me up on the inside when I watch her sometimes, she is not shy at all, but it's almost as if she's hyper aware of herself and her movements, that she has to fold herself up as to not get in other ppl's way. Which is oppossite of me. I don't care about bumping into other ppl, I take up space. Lots of them. But I don't think she's aware of her laugh cus she laughs loud almost like a scream. 🤣🤣
entp infj here, both of my Ne and Ni score is 32, and my Fe Ti score 31. And my Se Si score is the lowest. I am always not sure about my mbti until i took sakinova test to know my score. I also can be classified as enfp if my Te is higher a bit
Simple straight forward
And if you fart you're an ENTP because INFJs don't fart.
hello Renaud, i have a crazy situation on my work. i work from homeoffice and we do two videocalls a week. a new woman emplyoee joined our team and shes an empath, me and she sensed it after a few calls. now she kinda falled in love with me a little or maybe a lot, its defenetly a deeper connection, because meeting a INFJ is rly rare and i guess shes overwelmed too, like me a little, but iam more calm and can deal with it a little better i think. iam not 100% sure if shes a type of infj, but at least empathic and rly helpfull. any way. the thing is and thats the crazy part, my superior felt in love with her and he is rly kind now and u can hear and feel it, also see how he bahaves....., its rly fking tricky situation, what would you do XDD. i probably will offer her my help with this emotional situaton. but this situation can be rly dangerous for the team, because someone who gets hurt and is low vibrationel...... can be get rly evil .... omg.... its so crazy
my superior also acts like a chield a little, hes rly in love with her..... i cant even stand the whole situation anymore. its just so crazy, shes felt in love with me and he felt in love with her. and so fking uncomftable :DD. damnnnnnnn; WHY ME, WHY ALWAYS ME ? HAHAHAH
Hi Ren,hope you're doing well. Have you ever noticed Fe trying to mimic other types humor? Edit: I should've said "adopt" in lieu of "mimic".
Edit: Sorry I had accidentally pressed the dislike buttion(in case u were wondering)😅
Hi
Hru
Type?
INFJ
Can they write programming? Speak in binary? Own bitcoin? Been skydiving? Troll? If yes, then ENTP. If no, INFJ.
Now to watch the vid....
Your explanation is ok as well
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Well Im certainly more entp than infj. want these but have been always procrastinating🙃. Except troll though lol
@cazbee6126 Yup. This is probably the EASIEST distinction. I could attest with the programming. LOL.
is a pluviophile;
hypochondriac;
has experienced a synchronicity;
most likely has read declassified FB!/C!A files;
obsessed with aesthetics;
has a bujo or Notion acct;
whether they admit it or not, is a soc!al democr@t;
secretly knowledgeable about astrology;
if you see their eyes light up when you mention "hygge" or "ikigai". LOL.
If at least 4 apply, then INFJ.
Stereotypical