The hitters figured out when he was throwing his curveball, a breakdown
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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Imagine this pitcher finds out he’s tipping pitches from a jomboy video and not his coaching staff
It’s the Chicago White Sox. I wouldn’t doubt it.
that actually happened to the Tigers pitcher who would look to third every time he would throw the fastball to the Yankees last year. He admitted to the press the next day that he watched the breakdown and saw what he was doing wrong
He had a great outing today vs Pirates so obviously they fixed it. White Sox have a capable pitching coach.
@@scattau41 the Sox are 28th in the league in ERA rn
@@yogurtsniffer86 Yes it's been brutal but the season just started, yogurt sniffer.
The absolute perfection pitchers have to maintain between all of their pitch setups is mindblowing.
Apparently Randy Johnson tipped his pitches his entire career and people still couldn't hit him. So either don't tip or be Randy Johnson 😂
@@DudeTotally1000THE BIG UNIT!
They'll be okay... the average pitchers make 20 mil a year
@@rickshelton1955 what? they’re not gonna be making $20m if they tip their pitches all the time. and nobody was feeling bad for them, just impressed. you sound jealous
@@rickshelton1955 well, not the average ones... But the good ones make that on average 😂
This puts a whole new perspective on that Japanese pitcher who uses his extra large jersey to hide his glove on wind-up. ⚾🤯
I was thinking that also 😮
damn you on to sumn
I just scrolled past that short again. You on to something boy.
Hol up…let him cook
These tipped pitches videos are insane. Jimmy is the absolute GOAT at in-depth baseball breakdowns. Thank you for this video!
As if he’s scouring every game in slow-mo trying to find this stuff. 😂 You’re giving him too much credit- he even mentioned Plouffe sent him this info. Most of his video topics are based on submissions, tips and advice. I like him too but get real.
@@tweezerjamHe breaks it down in an entertaining way that non baseball fans can understand. Who cares where he got it from
@@CADClicker i do not care and agree. I do care about accuracy though. Weird, I know.
In this case, he gave the credit to Trevor Plouffe, a former major leaguer who is part of the staff.
@@AEMoreira81 that’s right I forgot about that. So yeah, they do scoure footage but again, Jimmy didn’t find this.
This is why we watch you Jomboy. Love this stuff.
Just a brutal showing in the Sox home opener. I was there and we were just stunned by that inning. Didn't seem possible for the Giants to be getting that kind of consistent power on a cold, drizzly day in April, but there ya go: they were just cranking into pitches they saw coming a mile away. Finally some catharsis to actually see this bizarre inning explained.
At least it’s an easy fix and he doesn’t have the yips or something.
Yup I remember watching a Whitesox post game show where the guys hosting it were trying to say that the giants lineup is just that good. No they are not they have not had a 30+ homer guy since Barry bonds retired as far as I know
@@tbird8166 Yeah he even seemed to settle down after getting out of a jam in the 2nd. And he needed to settle down and find his pitch. The series in Houston just torched the arms in the bullpen, so no early relief help was coming.
Giants were here in NY playing the Yankees last weekend to open the season and got shutout twice in a 3 game series...all of a sudden they turned into power hitters in Chicago...this explains alot and now we know why...good job as always Jomboy
@@blankname6629mainly because of the ballpark they play in.
4:58 "Boop, I'm a curveball." 😆🤣😆
Man, your videos have made me a much bigger baseball fan. I never knew or understood all the intricate details of the game like this until I started watching your breakdowns. Just excellent stuff, and it's cool getting an MLBer's perspective from Trevor as well.
what trevor is he texting?
@@himynamesbob1993 Trevor Plouffe, former major league player who’s now part of the Jomboy team, he’s in a lot of their videos or podcasts
The game is so complex and deep. So many subtle things occurring all the time
Must have been devastating for the pitcher. 4 homers in one inning must not be very fun. Just standing there alone on the mound…
Heh heh heh heh...
HEH HEH HEHEHE HEH!
Just throw the ball
Reminds me of the Phillies in the WS last year against McCullers. Shows how big of an advantage it is to know what pitch is coming.
Oh I was at the game and the White Sox fans were not happy with this opening day and we’re letting Kopech know about it! I felt badly for him.
when the giants come to town it goes bye bye baby
That Rocket City-Chattanooga game yesterday screams for a Jomboy breakdown
no hits
seven runs scored
@@thedude3065whattt I need a breakdown
@@thedude3065 ?????????
@@patmody seven runs scored
no hits tallied
dam those trash pandas!
Imagine the pitcher watching this break down and finally figuring it out
Imaging being a pitching coach and never noticing he does this after watching
Him
For years
Imagine the batters on every other team watching this and now the whole league knows what to look for
I wouldn't be surprised if he learned of the tipping from the breakdown.
The pitcher still has to fix it if he wants the slugging to stop.
The vision it takes to be a professional baseball player is fucking wild!
To be fair, they are getting paid millions and the reality is there is probably a person on the staff whose sole job it is to watch for this type of stuff.
@@PeterSedesse well, a few of them are paid millions anyway xD
@Peter Sedesse most baseball players have 20/13 vision or better.
It's just repetition man.
@Fromulus oh is that all it takes to be PROFESSIONAL baseball player..... come on bro
The buzz in the Giants dugout must have been electric once they spotted the tell. And knowing they could actually see it from 60' 6" in so short a time, and be able to react in an instant shows how much of a higher level this game is played in the majors. It really separates the men from the boys.
These videos are a main reason I got back into watching baseball. Cool, in-depth stuff like this, that I would never even think to look for!
Man, that's rough. It's one thing to get shelled because you're having an off day, but he seemed to have pretty good command, hitting his spots and getting a good mix on speed and locations. The "what is going on?" really said it all.
I always watched the pitching wrist. I was a catcher so I knew what movements corresponded to which grip. I don't remember ever being coached on that it just turned out dealing with pitchers on offense and defense helps you notice little things happening on the mound. Great breakdown, didn't know most people checked the glove. Neat.
id steal 2nd, 3rd, and home and even 1st on your sorry ass
You ever consider coaching?
It's always surprised me that catchers as a whole aren't better batters. I mean considering their experience, they should be the experts at reading pitchers. Obviously there are some great slugging catchers like Realmuto but they mostly get paid for defense.
@@sfmc98 I tended to be a .330+ hitter but I never managed any homers. I hit the ball plenty hard I just never bothered trying to lift it, I just put it where it was in the zone. If it's to the right then swing inside-out and slash the ball somewhere into right field. To the left, wrap it up and look to go 2 if the ball gets past the left fielder. I was a good, reliable hitter that got tons of rbis but I just didn't flash enough to really get noticed. I got one year of play in college and I was fine with that. I saw the skill ceiling and knew where I was in relation to it.
Now I may be partial but I enjoyed watching yadi get better at hitting and catching through his career. He never was the best hitter but he got really good at using his catcher's eye in the batters box and his defensive play and pitch strategy also seemed to mature alongside that. I've assumed for a long time now that two skills were synergistic and created sort of a feedback loop of comparative experience that great catchers seem to quietly rely on.
To be fair I'm a cards fan and even played legion ball with Jose oquendos son. My aunt was al and dee hraboskys personal secretary, so I might be a little biased about yadi. I'm in deep with the Cardinals lore man.
@@ImOriginallyGreen I was a private coach for former pros Rick and niel fiala back in highschool and college. I also worked as an assistant coach in the summers for my eventual college coach Dave Oster. Some of his former players include Mark buerhle and Orlando petit, but he has pro alumni going back to the early eighties. At alumni events coach Oster wears his favorite eight world series rings, all gifted by former players.
After my stint in college ball Oster was retired and not running camps either, Rick was dead and niel had had a serious stroke before passing away himself shortly thereafter. I tried to find more gigs coaching but real paying opportunities were pretty much gone. I've coached some nephews and nieces but none of them really took to the game so I haven't even had a chance to coach any level in a couple years now.
I did get a call from an organization after I... maybe made a bit of a splash at a local minor league game. I kinda verbally cut a bad home plate ump to ribbons and somebody got a lot of it on video. Apparently my remarks were notably cutting because they were unusually well-informed. It's a small team and most of the tickets are corporate gifts so it's not too hard to track somebody down, apparently. I was interested right up until they signed my cousin. He and I get along but I was worried it might seem inappropriate or screw up how we get along. And if something like that screwed up his shot at the big time I'd never be able to forgive myself. He's made it a fair piece closer than I did, I'm not sure if be any help to him at this stage of his career. He's kinda passed into lands I've never traveled I guess and I worry I'd lead him astray making some rookie coaching mistake.
If I get a shot later, great but it's not something I've ever been able to force so I've learned to just let it be. Maybe one day.
Chris Archer had a similar problem in Tampa Bay but it was a little different. He did not hide his throwing arm during the separation in his windup and thus his grip was open for the batter to see.
not only are the breakdowns next level, but the way you work your sponsors into your dialogue is seamlessly hilarious. love watching every bit of these videos
Trevor ALWAYS catches stuff like this. Incredible baseball mind
Michael is my favourite player in MLB so was devastated for him on his first outing. As a relative newcomer to baseball this video is a real learning experience in to understanding what was happening on that day, and I was very happy to see him bounce back yesterday with an outstanding pitching display.
Looking forward to September when I will fly out to Chicago to see the Sox play at home five times in one week, best of luck to MK and the rest of the roster for the season ahead... ✌
Would it be your first time in Chicago? It’s not as dangerous up here as the media makes you think.
Curious though-as a “relative newcomer to baseball,” why is Kopech your favorite player?
@@erickgonzalez1471 Second time, we came last year from London for a week too and went to multiple games at Comiskey. Really loved it in Chicago, especially down on the south side. MK is my favourite player because of the way he pitches; the quickness, the style and the attitude, not to mention walking in to Johnny Cash - gives me the chills.
Astros fans: Knowing what pitch is coming doesn't matter
Giants:
Seeing what hitters can do when they know what’s coming puts the 2017 Astros into perspective
My team let me know I had this problem in the 90's. Its eye opening.
not as open as the eyes can be when you have the SHADYRAY eye protection experience!
Did they let you know in the 90’s or make you wait?
Then Biggie Smalls had you killed.
Love hearing about batters picking up the slightest things when a pitcher is tipping. Such an interesting thing to see and hear about.
Just to add onto this, it's not always the players that notice first, oftentimes it can be the first or third base coaches looking for stuff like that.
The gentle high fives crack me up! I swear I saw Vlad Jr. give a gentle high five to a teammate the other day and was wondering if you were gonna do a breakdown of it 🤣
Can you do an old fashion breakdown of Randy Johnson tipping his pitches?
That story is a myth
Now imagine knowing what pitch was coming all year like the 2017 Astros. Insane advantage.
The mental game between the pitcher, catcher, and batter is why I love baseball.
The game within the game breakdowns are always good ones. Like the Tigers pitcher tipping his pitches to the Yankees last year
*White Sox giving Jomboy a lot of content*
Been waiting for this one. Tough day as a White Sox fan. He looked better today but of course Sox put up 0. Hope to see them start putting the pieces together
Yeah, I'm a Royals fan, but not having Eloy on the lineup isn't helping. He's so good, I hope to see him healthy.
Thank's for the amazing breakdowns jomboy
As a pitcher I would constantly stare at the opposing pitcher and look for little signs like this. Amazing to see it at the big league level and how much they attack
I'm pretty sure a bunch of Astro fans are going to jump all over what you said at 4:40
"You know what pitch is coming it doesn't guarantee a homerun."😂
Heck, Curt Schilling went his whole career throwing nothing but fastballs. Because he could spot them on (or just off) the corner at will, you still couldn't hit 'em.
It definitely helps you know to wait back on the pitch cuz it’s not coming in at 96 mph +
What cracks me up about that is that 'we could have won without cheating' doesn't make it better! It makes it worse!!
@@TheHopperUK You probably could have (I mean the Astros could have)! But now you get to be the laughingstock of the league until you guys become average again!
Let them. It still gives a measurable advantage which matters over the course of a season, and the way they got their information broke the rules.
It’s crazy how much just knowing one pitch is coming helps out. Imagine knowing what majority of pitches are coming for a whole year could do. Some team should look into that.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY breaks it down like Jomboy. And the lip reading is ridiculously on point too!
If ya wanna show folks what a Jomboy breakdown can be, this is a great example of picking up on staff and calling out what broadcasts often miss
i gotta say as a white sox fan i’m lovin the abundance of sox videos right now. everytime i’ve been watching a game and think “jomboy is gonna break this down” so far ive been right. if he drops one on the cruz plate collision it’s gonna feel like a sox themed channel.
I was at this game. The white sox bullpen didn't start warming up until the 3rd or 4th home run
LOL
Would like to see the batter's view. Wonder if they can see the separation or something else
Ya, like maybe in reality, the pitcher starts blinking like a schizo every time he throws a curve ball but we think it's because of a 1 inch difference in his glove? Lol, that'd be pretty funny.
If you ever needed a refresher as to how good MLB hitters are, If they simply know whether it's a fastball or breaking ball, they're making solid contact and sending it into the seats at a crazy clip.
I didn't know the batters studied so hard but it makes sense. I used to be able to steal 2nd base by seeing either the sole, or the top of the pitcher's front shoe. Top of shoe was a pick off attempt.
It's like professional poker players that can spot tells at the tables. This is why these guys are professional athletes.
Sometimes you just have a rough outing. Learning to adapt to this stuff is important and he'll be great if he can make that adjustment. All the greats had to learn this stuff to be consistent.
Looking at the placement where is glove is prior to the pitch is a good tell also.. you see the offspeed pitch is higher to his chest close to the #34.
seeing it from the centefield cam is one thing because you can see both hand and glove but the giants all seeing it without being able to see the hand is damn impressive
Gotta do the Cruz slide
How can you not be romantic about baseball? I’m really digging these recent videos breaking down the inside baseball nuances. Keep them ‘em coming, Jimmy!
best part of this video was the turtle head, "boop, I'm a curve ball" lol!!!
Did you ever mention Kopech throws the Football Slider? Back in 2018 I got Musgrove, Glasnow, Taillon to throw it in Pitt and now over 500 guys throw it, inside the lines it's the Roger Beshens influenced football slider, Musgrove and Clevinger talk about it all the time. My cue to throw it to them is throw it like a football, stiff wrist, on center grip. By the way I taught Flaherty, Giolito, and Fried it in 2018 also. None of them could avg over a k an inning before my football slider. There would be no Ethan Katz or Matt Blake in MLB if it weren't for me telling them about it in 2018, they got hired a year later. Dylan Cease throws the Roger Beshens influenced football slider. degrom throws it also, deGrom before the RB Football slider was 88.
I think the easiest thing for the batters to see is the distance between between the top of the glove and his number. He starts his motion with the glove higher on off speed pitches and he has a shorter overall motion because of it
I played baseball since tee ball through high school, I was never able to pick up on stuff like this, at least this small it’s crazy how they pick up on these things
My brother and I told my mom about this channel because she wanted to make a couple of shirts for us for fun, and now I send her all giants breakdowns I see. She loves them
Great breakdown as always. It's amazing how they honed in on this so quickly and with such success
“Boop I’m a curveball” lol that had me dying
I remember John smoltz said a player from another team once told him that he was tipping pitches after that player was traded to his team
Great stuff Jomboy. Thank you again for explaining the minutiae in baseball. It is a very difficult game! Moneyball starts with a quote from Mickey Mantle: "It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing all your life." Sabermetrics started to influence baseball around 1998-99. Mantle died in 1995. Anyone who loves baseball and has not seen this movie you are missing out!
The funny thing is that this breakdown will actually help the pitcher, because unless he’s stupid, he will not be tipping his pitches like that ever again.
got a buddy at work that doesnt think this type of stuff happens in baseball. he gone learn.
It definitely happens that’s why pitchers don’t use gloves that have holes in the webbing
Tell your buddy not to be such a mental moron.
@@blankname6629 most pitchers use gloves with webbing. i think what you mean is infield style webbing, i forgot what its called but the 4 square ones.
I could always see pitchers changing grips inside the glove while getting set but to recognize the glove slightly flare out in real time during the delivery is absolutely crazy. Pro hitting is avenger level activity lol
So sick. Insights like this make baseball awesome
Dodd was tipping his slider in the Braves vs Padres game last night. His delivery was slower on the slider. Broadcast crew picked up on it in the 3rd inning.
You know some guys on the White Sox were eagerly awaiting this video.
We used to have guys in the dugout just watching for these sorts of things every game.
THIS. IS. OUTSTANDING. 😂😂😂👏👏👏 Absolutely brutal
This has had to be the best ad ever right at the end 😂😂😂
Hmmm that’s so interesting.... I actually find baseball to be painfully dull but these types of mind game/strategy breakdowns are really fun....
This kind of stuff needs to be in the video games.
Isn't it crazy how just knowing the pitch completely changes the odds of the entire at bat. You go from 25% chance (roughly) to ASTROnomical precents with the knowledge.
I was watching this game and said the same thing (that he must be tipping his pitches - I had no idea how tho). There were simply too many long balls given up by Kopech, who’s not exactly known to be a pushover. Just terrific baseball IQ by SF.
Excellent evaluation. That was tough to pick up to start with but when you pointed it out I saw it. And a professional would know that a lot faster than I would and see it as well. So you're absolutely correct. Thanks again for another entertaining, and educating video. 👌⚾️
5:45 That one was especially hilarious
How in the world are batters able to see that slight movement of his thumb on his glove?? That is amazing that these pros are able to pick up on stuff like that.
Really is insane how good pitchers and hitters are. I've tried to hit off a kid (in school) who was throwing 90+ and it was impossible. He was nice about it but almost every time he was like, "WAY behind it." And then we started laughing hard because he would get ready to throw and I'd just swing out of desperation and he was like, "Bro, the ball hasn't even left my hand LOL". Granted I had hardly any baseball experience...
2:45 well if he was expecting fastball because of the glove tipping it would be easier to sit on a slider and hammer it rather than something slower so I equate that to a homerun off tipping as well
Baseball gets that much more in depth when I watch these videos. Pretty awesome.
The margin of error in the majors just got smaller ! Mind blowing !
I see he gave up 2 hits in his next outing which was a 1-0 Pittsburg win. He is a pretty good pitcher so hope this was a learning experience for him. Did he see this video ?
"A little turtle head just like 'Boop! I'm a curveball!'" - Jomboy 4/9/23
Can you look into if Jose Berrios is tipping his pitches? His drop off since signing with the Jays is almost hard to believe.
i'm amazed that people are able to identify and pick apart a pitcher's tell so quickly. and also amazed that this doesn't happen all the time.
Picked up some new sunglasses for the summer and saved 80 bucks. Thanks, Jomboy!
It's kinda hard to notice the glove flaring from the batters pov. Could there be someone else in the dugout tipping the batters? 🤔
"Boop! I'm a curveball" - 4:56
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Kudos to the scouts for pulling out this gem. Scouting wins games.
I wonder if MLB scouts look at this and adjust lol. Noone else talks about this. LOVE IT
This is the kind of stuff that made Jomboy the legend that he is. Best in the business.
This is why we love baseball. The tiny intricate details most don’t even know exist can be the difference in a game
Local sports radio in Chicago mentioned this video. You are big time buddy.
I wonder how often pitchers figure out what batters are looking for and then mess with the hitters. Probably don't stay in the game if it's one of their go to pitches, but if something is off on one of their pitches farther down the depth chart you could actually have some fun with it, almost like a changeup.
I once saw Nolan Ryan grunt on a changeup. I've never seen a hitter so far out in front. I tried that the next time I was struggling in a backyard game. Worked a charm.
When I started throwing a knuckleball in high school, I was tipping it big time. I mean, it was blatant. So hitters just wouldn't swing whenever I threw it because it would always end up in the dirt or on the plate. After a couple of games, I was able to change up my stance and delivery and was able to hide it pretty well from there on in. Ended up being my best pitch, by far.
Well if you didn’t tip it, they’d pick up that it’s a knuckle as soon as your hand is visible. You can’t really hide a knuckle ball. Knuckleballers don’t even try to hide a knuckleball. Any decent batter knows a knuckle ball is coming before it leaves the pitchers hand
@@jimlahey3919 He mentioned when he was in high school. Not sure how long ago that was, but doubt the batters are as mature or sophisticated at that level, so I believe him if he says that was his better pitch.
“Like ope, I’m a currrveballl” 😂😂😂😂😂
You should do a follow up next time he pitches. No way this video didn't get back to him
I guess he pitched Sunday, according to other commenters here.
that is crazy, with the camera angle from behind pitcher, I can see the subtle differences. but from batter's angle, it is really hard to see which is which meaning the glove flare or not. that is crazy, the overlapping of hand and glove makes it almost impossible to see the difference from batter's angle. how is that possible. kopek velo also dropped a bit.
Man, that’s gotta be tough having every tiny nuance of your game analyzed like this.
We need a brewers breakdown on 3hr vs mad max
Then ad read with his face over the pitcher killed me on this one 🤣🤣
shows how hard hitting/pitch recognition is. without knowing the pitch, batters who hit .300 are all stars, but knowing what pitch is coming (not even where it's being aimed), and it results in four home runs in an inning
I never understood how people could read if someone is tipping pitches. Like in this example it’s the tiniest little flare of the glove how tf can you see that while he is his windup to pitch, and then to readjust your eyes to the ball and still hit it going 90+ or a nasty breaking ball. Impressive
Jomboy out here saving pitchers careers now! xD