This, to me, is the holy grail of projectors. I have a Horizon and I love it but the one place it falls short is contrast. Dual Light and Dolby are going to make this look great and the price is impressive compared to other smart all-in-one sort of projectors and even compared to 4K projectors in general. Don't get me wrong, a dedicated home theater projector will perform better for the price but I think Horizon Ultra will come close and it offers so much more: 1) Great design and the best remote I've used. The projector, remote, and even the packaging are comparable to Apple products and I think XGIMI deserves some praise because a lot of very expensive projectors look awful. They really went above and beyond with their industrial design. 2) Features like built-in streaming, decent speakers, and smart setup that make it easy to move around the house. I regularly take my Horizon outside for outdoor movie night or upstairs for movies in bed. That gives it so much more utility and value than something permanently mounted in place. 3) Solid state so no maintenance and no bulbs to replace plus fast startup time. 4) Low input lag for gaming. The only downsides are: 1) I think it realistically gets lower lumens than advertised. My Horizon claims 2200 but puts out 1200 with the best image mode. It's still bright but not the brightest. 2) The remote has no mute or input button and it doesn't light up as you mentioned but I've gotten to know the buttons by feel. It's a really nice remote, can't stress that enough. 3) No Netflix as you mentioned but not really XGIMI's fault, Netflix is missing from all but the biggest projector brands.
@@user82938 Surprised you haven't gotten used to it. I''m not sure how much it was intentional design on the part of XGIMI but I can feel my way around it very easily due to the different texture of the buttons and the good amount of space between them. I actually sort of prefer it without lighting because usually it isn't done all that well and it would potentially distract from the screen. Going back to my Apple comparison, I don't think Apple TV has ever had a backlit remote either. I would much rather have a mute button and, to a lesser extent, an input button. And I don't mean a Hulu button because that looks tacky and is useless if you don't have Hulu. I'd want a button to change HDMI inputs and/or a user-programmable app launch button in addition to a dedicated mute button.
I got this, and the thing that stands out is how incredibly bad the black levels are. Compared to my old projector that over a decade old this things black levels are incredibly bad. In addition, it doesn't get bright enough to use in a bright room. Also you get quite a bit of laser speckle. Also it does a terrible job with non-HD/4K material. On the positive side its software works as well as a $30 Amazon FireStick, although the lack of a backlit remote is absurd for a $1700 unit. Also it sounds pretty good - but who in the world is using a projector of this cost without a sound system? The one thing this unit does really well is 3D - since shutter glasses actually fix the issue with the terrible black levels. Also having optical zoom on a projector like this is huge, which is why I decided to go with it, since I could use it in a theater room without much fuss. However this unit is a dud - my old decade+ projector does a better job with movies, with better color and much better contrast and black levels, plus it makes anything non-HD actually look good - where as this thing is just like a cheap TV in that it has terrible black levels, but in bright 4K scenes can look great - but everything else is pretty meh, and the terrible black levels are unforgivable, it just ruins everything that isn't daylight video. I shall be returning this, and for my use case, I'll go back to a traditional theater room projector. But even if I wasn't using it for that purpose, I'd still go with something else as this thing really only does one thing well, and that is 3D.
I currently have an Epson which is very neatly ceiling mounted, I cannot see this Xgimi projector being suitable for such an installation due to the bulk and the separate PSU, the performance does however look very good. A conventional projector package with the same specs minus the built in audio would appeal more personally.
Couple of nice upgrades, more smart features and low latency sounds good, and more picture settings and new design is cool! But to my mind picture quality hasn't been upgrated that much, I won't be upgrading from Horizon Pro
The only thing that tempts me to upgrade from Horizon Pro is that the dual light source might reduce the rainbow effect. But I'd have to see it in person, and that's not really possible without buying and returning it.
I have the horizon pro but the thing I hate is I feel my couch should sit exactly where the projector sits. I think I will go with a ust projector next purchase
4k 120hz is not possible with any .47 DLP projector. It's a hardware limitation. Anyone that claims otherwise can only accept a 4k 120 signal but display 60hz
Hi, I have a Epson 3800 which is very good but of course I have been looking to upgrade to either a UST Laser proyector or something else, Do you think this could be the one to buy?
If this thing is as good as all the reviews are suggesting (also, remember, it's gotten this year's Best Buy EISA award in this category), it might really get the Netflix starting to feel they really really ought to give XGIMI their precious certification. I mean, it's not that Netflix is winning popularity contests lately...while XGIMI doesn't seem to have any problems in that regard. Otherwise, it might actually be that Netflix is the one who loses and, curiously enough, all the other streaming are those who benefit from this projector's quality and getting an extra slice from Netflix's pie, without any effort.
The black levels are beyond terrible and it ruins the projector. Also it doesn't get bright enough to use in a well lit room, so forget using this in a living room. I bought this with my own money, I'm not a paid shill, and this thing is not good. The one review you can find where the guy also says the black levels on this are terrible - he's the only honest review I've seen, and literally everything he said in the review is correct. This projector is good for one thing, and that is 3D, which I do like a lot. Also bright 4K daytime video looks great - but anything at night looks terrible, it's just washed out and grey, no matter how much you play around with the settings. Even in a very dark room, with a no gain screen, with the brightness set to 1, the black levels stink. And that lack of blacks ruins your contrast. No idea how they put this much effort into a projector and release it with such a fatal flaw. Also unforgivable are the reviews I see where people claim the black levels are good. They are as bad as I've ever seen.
Hi:) thanks for the great review. I have a weird question- does the RUclips app support changing the playback speed? It is quite a big decision Factor for me and I can't find the info anywhere. Thanks in advance:)
With you playing some first person shooter games on the projector in this video, it would have been nice to go into detail about input lag. Did you feel that controls were responsive when playing games on the Horizon Ultra? What kind of settings did you use for it, like a game mode or something
@@TechMishka this comment super confuses me. How on earth will a game mode disable the keystone correction? I can see it affecting picture processing modes. But keystone correction is an essential part of setting up the picture as far as I am concerned.
Question….. if I wanted to mount this high up on top of a bookcase and the screen is slightly lower, would the lens be able to hit the screen or does the projector need to be tilted to face downwards? Thanks in advance.
Hey, first of all thank you for the great video going over the projector, it was really well done. i just wanted to ask about the image quality during the day if it is bright, is it useable or does the image washed out? - Thank you
Is this kind of projector comparable to the likes of the optoma UHZ65LV or not ? I’m building my own home theater but don’t understand much about projectors
Not even close to an OLED TV. I have a Sony A95K OLED and nothing comes close to it. I also have the XGimi and not close at all but with a dark room, this projector will look like an OLED but no projector period, comes close to OLED just yet… maybe in a few years.
I just now have another dilemma. I Want to buy a projector. I care about eArc. I will only watch movies on it. Maybe I will use it 10% for console and 5% for TV. What should I buy ? Xgimi Ultra or Benq w2710i or even TK860i ?
This projector has eArc. However, I don’t understand why they put HDMI 2.0 instead of 2.1. Also, the USB port is 2.0 instead of 3.0. With something this modern looking and supporting Dolby vision, it should’ve had all the bells and whistle.
This appears to me a fantastic product and much upgraded version from Horizon Pro with Dual light source(LASER+LED) Optical zoom for lossless picture quality ( digital zoom was a definite drawback in Horizon Pro) native 4k and Dolby Vision are most striking features... Even the speakers are much better ie 24 watt compared to 16watt in Horizon. Uninterrupted auto focus will also save us from hassles when the projector is accidentally moved.
@@TechMishka I don’t understand it at all. Netflix are too powerful with TV control it seems. I used to watch Netflix a lot but barely watch at all now especially because I like watching TV on my projector. Amazon and Apple TV were not as good but I watch way more now b
What's funny is that not one RUclips review on this particular projector shows LG Samsung or Sony 4K demos because they know black level,contrast and shadow detail is terrible and it's going to look crap like it does)))
I would love to record a sample for you. Please send me an email as a reminder and a link to the vid you want to.see projected and I will take care of it.
I think Xgimi have made a huge mistake here. The Chinese totally misunderstand the export market at times. They absolutely flood the RUclips community with free samples in exchange for a good review with few negatives noted. Like with this one that has a reportedly poor contrast ratio, and issues with dark scenes and lack of brightness. I’d actually say, the cheapest Epson with 3000 Lumens (CO-W01) around 1/5 th of the price will excel in some areas, particularly daytime use. Then you could by the Xgimi Mo Go 2 and be at 2/5 of the price, even at 500 Lumens it’s still quite bright in lower lit areas.
Nah, I'd disagree with the claim this is a bad projector. Quite the opposite. The Pro version is also superb. The only thing I really miss is properly working Netflix.
Well, sort of. When placed side by side - there is notable difference in terms of brightness and color reproduction. But yeah - definitely something that has to be considered. Price if the Pro right now is AWESOME
@kayodefashola9226 If u don't have the pro, then maybe, I had both and the pro dose look much better than the standard one. There will be lots of pros being sold for around £900 so would be much cheaper than the ultra. I don't like the size and weight of the Ultra so I'll stick with the pro.
This, to me, is the holy grail of projectors. I have a Horizon and I love it but the one place it falls short is contrast. Dual Light and Dolby are going to make this look great and the price is impressive compared to other smart all-in-one sort of projectors and even compared to 4K projectors in general. Don't get me wrong, a dedicated home theater projector will perform better for the price but I think Horizon Ultra will come close and it offers so much more: 1) Great design and the best remote I've used. The projector, remote, and even the packaging are comparable to Apple products and I think XGIMI deserves some praise because a lot of very expensive projectors look awful. They really went above and beyond with their industrial design. 2) Features like built-in streaming, decent speakers, and smart setup that make it easy to move around the house. I regularly take my Horizon outside for outdoor movie night or upstairs for movies in bed. That gives it so much more utility and value than something permanently mounted in place. 3) Solid state so no maintenance and no bulbs to replace plus fast startup time. 4) Low input lag for gaming. The only downsides are: 1) I think it realistically gets lower lumens than advertised. My Horizon claims 2200 but puts out 1200 with the best image mode. It's still bright but not the brightest. 2) The remote has no mute or input button and it doesn't light up as you mentioned but I've gotten to know the buttons by feel. It's a really nice remote, can't stress that enough. 3) No Netflix as you mentioned but not really XGIMI's fault, Netflix is missing from all but the biggest projector brands.
This is an awesome comment! Thanks for taking the time to write down this detailed assessment.
Can't agree with you on the remote. I really hate that part of my Horizon Pro. Impossible to see in the dark. Wish it had a dedicated inputs button.
@@user82938 Surprised you haven't gotten used to it. I''m not sure how much it was intentional design on the part of XGIMI but I can feel my way around it very easily due to the different texture of the buttons and the good amount of space between them. I actually sort of prefer it without lighting because usually it isn't done all that well and it would potentially distract from the screen. Going back to my Apple comparison, I don't think Apple TV has ever had a backlit remote either. I would much rather have a mute button and, to a lesser extent, an input button. And I don't mean a Hulu button because that looks tacky and is useless if you don't have Hulu. I'd want a button to change HDMI inputs and/or a user-programmable app launch button in addition to a dedicated mute button.
The worst performing projector
I got this, and the thing that stands out is how incredibly bad the black levels are. Compared to my old projector that over a decade old this things black levels are incredibly bad. In addition, it doesn't get bright enough to use in a bright room. Also you get quite a bit of laser speckle. Also it does a terrible job with non-HD/4K material. On the positive side its software works as well as a $30 Amazon FireStick, although the lack of a backlit remote is absurd for a $1700 unit. Also it sounds pretty good - but who in the world is using a projector of this cost without a sound system? The one thing this unit does really well is 3D - since shutter glasses actually fix the issue with the terrible black levels. Also having optical zoom on a projector like this is huge, which is why I decided to go with it, since I could use it in a theater room without much fuss.
However this unit is a dud - my old decade+ projector does a better job with movies, with better color and much better contrast and black levels, plus it makes anything non-HD actually look good - where as this thing is just like a cheap TV in that it has terrible black levels, but in bright 4K scenes can look great - but everything else is pretty meh, and the terrible black levels are unforgivable, it just ruins everything that isn't daylight video.
I shall be returning this, and for my use case, I'll go back to a traditional theater room projector. But even if I wasn't using it for that purpose, I'd still go with something else as this thing really only does one thing well, and that is 3D.
I currently have an Epson which is very neatly ceiling mounted, I cannot see this Xgimi projector being suitable for such an installation due to the bulk and the separate PSU, the performance does however look very good. A conventional projector package with the same specs minus the built in audio would appeal more personally.
Which Epson do you have? I have JMGO N1 Ultra and I am planning to switch to a dedicated Home Theatre projector
I will likely try mounting it on the ceiling in the new studio, but this will probably happen in 1-2 months from now.
Thanks for the amazing review and welcome to the new gen of home theater! 🎉🎉🎉
Hey, glad to see that you noticed my video! An awesome projector indeed
The Horizon Pro with your coupon code is an insane deal! $350 less than I paid for mine. People should definitely jump on that.
The deal was indeed perfect!
Couple of nice upgrades, more smart features and low latency sounds good, and more picture settings and new design is cool! But to my mind picture quality hasn't been upgrated that much, I won't be upgrading from Horizon Pro
Totally agree!
The only thing that tempts me to upgrade from Horizon Pro is that the dual light source might reduce the rainbow effect. But I'd have to see it in person, and that's not really possible without buying and returning it.
This is a the best video projector I ever seen !! So freaking smart
Yeah, a lovely piece of tech.
I have the horizon pro but the thing I hate is I feel my couch should sit exactly where the projector sits. I think I will go with a ust projector next purchase
Yeah, this might be annoying. Have you thought about mounting to the ceiling?
Nice Review! but why now only 60Hz with 4k, should it have 120Hz like pre-announced and spec sheet of the Chinese Version H6 is having?
4k 120hz is not possible with any .47 DLP projector. It's a hardware limitation. Anyone that claims otherwise can only accept a 4k 120 signal but display 60hz
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I love the stand you’re using. What stand is that?
Oh, this is my camera tripod 😀
Thanks for the review, My question is this projector is still not native 4k and HD pixel shifting tech used. How does it work compared to OLED 4K TV?
It very much depends on the quality of the LED panel. Each of the technologies has its strengths.
Hi, I have a Epson 3800 which is very good but of course I have been looking to upgrade to either a UST Laser proyector or something else, Do you think this could be the one to buy?
Yes, absolutely
If this thing is as good as all the reviews are suggesting (also, remember, it's gotten this year's Best Buy EISA award in this category), it might really get the Netflix starting to feel they really really ought to give XGIMI their precious certification. I mean, it's not that Netflix is winning popularity contests lately...while XGIMI doesn't seem to have any problems in that regard.
Otherwise, it might actually be that Netflix is the one who loses and, curiously enough, all the other streaming are those who benefit from this projector's quality and getting an extra slice from Netflix's pie, without any effort.
I'd use a Mi TV stick for as long as there is no solution.
Also - the workaround suggested by most projector makers works fine.
The black levels are beyond terrible and it ruins the projector. Also it doesn't get bright enough to use in a well lit room, so forget using this in a living room. I bought this with my own money, I'm not a paid shill, and this thing is not good. The one review you can find where the guy also says the black levels on this are terrible - he's the only honest review I've seen, and literally everything he said in the review is correct. This projector is good for one thing, and that is 3D, which I do like a lot. Also bright 4K daytime video looks great - but anything at night looks terrible, it's just washed out and grey, no matter how much you play around with the settings. Even in a very dark room, with a no gain screen, with the brightness set to 1, the black levels stink. And that lack of blacks ruins your contrast. No idea how they put this much effort into a projector and release it with such a fatal flaw. Also unforgivable are the reviews I see where people claim the black levels are good. They are as bad as I've ever seen.
Hi:) thanks for the great review. I have a weird question- does the RUclips app support changing the playback speed? It is quite a big decision Factor for me and I can't find the info anywhere. Thanks in advance:)
Yes, it does 😊
Hi, great video, thanks a lot for the review! What is the contrast ration, can’t find it anywhere, or maybe I just missed it, sorry in that case!
Nah, I don't have the value either 😞
With you playing some first person shooter games on the projector in this video, it would have been nice to go into detail about input lag. Did you feel that controls were responsive when playing games on the Horizon Ultra? What kind of settings did you use for it, like a game mode or something
The input lag is close to 0 in gaming mode. Keystone will not work though
@@TechMishka this comment super confuses me. How on earth will a game mode disable the keystone correction? I can see it affecting picture processing modes. But keystone correction is an essential part of setting up the picture as far as I am concerned.
Question….. if I wanted to mount this high up on top of a bookcase and the screen is slightly lower, would the lens be able to hit the screen or does the projector need to be tilted to face downwards? Thanks in advance.
I think it will work.
Hey, first of all thank you for the great video going over the projector, it was really well done. i just wanted to ask about the image quality during the day if it is bright, is it useable or does the image washed out? - Thank you
It is not washed out. If there is no direct sunshine on the projected wall, it is well visible.
Thank you for the reply
Did this guy really stick an arca plate into the bottom?
I love it
Of course I did ☺️
Is this kind of projector comparable to the likes of the optoma UHZ65LV or not ? I’m building my own home theater but don’t understand much about projectors
Yup
Does this have HMDI 2.1?
It does
Can this projector be hooked up to a sound system...like the Sonos Beam?@@TechMishka
This projector DOES NOT have HDMI 2.1 nor does it have USB 3.0… it has HDMI 2.0 and USB 2.0. These “RUclipsr’s need to get their facts right!
Can you project from the side?
Yes, it has keystone correction
Benq X3000i vs XGIMI Horizon Ultra??
This is a good question! I also would like to compare them.
Lazer + led
Question is, is the Lazer triple … ?
I believe it is not
Will Dolby Vision automatically be enabled on the projector when playing Dolby Vision content from HDMI-connected sources such as an Apple TV 4K?
As far as I understand - yes.
Is it possible to to screen things that aren't 4K?
Of course, they are automatically upscaled.
How does black level compare to oled?
Fairly good if it is a bit too bright room
Not even close to an OLED TV. I have a Sony A95K OLED and nothing comes close to it. I also have the XGimi and not close at all but with a dark room, this projector will look like an OLED but no projector period, comes close to OLED just yet… maybe in a few years.
Why won't it work normally with Netflix like it does on my philips android tv?
Looks like Netflix are reluctant to license some projectors...
Does it have HDMI arc?
Yeah
Its true the input lag is 18ms? Have tests?
I don't have the equipment to test it right now
I just now have another dilemma. I Want to buy a projector. I care about eArc. I will only watch movies on it. Maybe I will use it 10% for console and 5% for TV. What should I buy ? Xgimi Ultra or Benq w2710i or even TK860i ?
I had the Xgimi Horizon Pro and BenQ GP500 side by side and preferred the Xgimi.
This projector has eArc. However, I don’t understand why they put HDMI 2.0 instead of 2.1. Also, the USB port is 2.0 instead of 3.0. With something this modern looking and supporting Dolby vision, it should’ve had all the bells and whistle.
Haven't tested the Benq models myself...
Any rainbow effects
None here
That was a very good review. Made my decision to buy it. I tried to use your code. It seems it is not valid anymore :/
Oh, sorry about it.
You can send an email to XGIMi or check their Facebook page - they are usually quite helpful
This appears to me a fantastic product and much upgraded version from Horizon Pro with Dual light source(LASER+LED) Optical zoom for lossless picture quality ( digital zoom was a definite drawback in Horizon Pro) native 4k and Dolby Vision are most striking features... Even the speakers are much better ie 24 watt compared to 16watt in Horizon. Uninterrupted auto focus will also save us from hassles when the projector is accidentally moved.
Yup, true that. I was most impressed with the Gaming Mode - it stops the keystone correction but then the projector is as quick as a monitor.
Nice Video! How does the XGIMI Horizon Ultra look compared to the Epson LS1200?
Never had the chance to try the Epson model myself, so I only can read the specs and guess...
Is it pixel shifting 4k?
It is explained in the video.
They’ve been actively working on Netflix integration for years if you’d cared to research it. It’s never gonna happen unless we hear a date.
I have XGIMI devices since a long time. The Netflix situation is present with many projector brands.
@@TechMishka I don’t understand it at all. Netflix are too powerful with TV control it seems. I used to watch Netflix a lot but barely watch at all now especially because I like watching TV on my projector. Amazon and Apple TV were not as good but I watch way more now b
Is similar like xgimi horizon pro. Almost same
There are similarities, but also a lot of differences, especially about the color science
@@TechMishka just when you have both devices in same time
Their website says 1500 lumens. Not 2500 lumens.
Seems like they modified the info
60hz limitation makes this a no-go for console/pc gaming using this device.....
It is hard to find a true gaming projector
What's funny is that not one RUclips review on this particular projector shows LG Samsung or Sony 4K demos because they know black level,contrast and shadow detail is terrible and it's going to look crap like it does)))
I would love to record a sample for you. Please send me an email as a reminder and a link to the vid you want to.see projected and I will take care of it.
Is this considered a lifestyle projector?
Yes
Looks like one ☺️
Its all good but why is the contrast ratio that low it is just 10000:1 , thats just bad
Hmm,.good point. I think the contrast is quite good though.
I think Xgimi have made a huge mistake here. The Chinese totally misunderstand the export market at times. They absolutely flood the RUclips community with free samples in exchange for a good review with few negatives noted. Like with this one that has a reportedly poor contrast ratio, and issues with dark scenes and lack of brightness. I’d actually say, the cheapest Epson with 3000 Lumens (CO-W01) around 1/5 th of the price will excel in some areas, particularly daytime use. Then you could by the Xgimi Mo Go 2 and be at 2/5 of the price, even at 500 Lumens it’s still quite bright in lower lit areas.
Nah, I'd disagree with the claim this is a bad projector. Quite the opposite. The Pro version is also superb. The only thing I really miss is properly working Netflix.
Ed, Edd ‘n Eddy 7:28
Yeeeaaaahhh 😊
Seems more like a product overview instead of a review
What else would make it look to you like a review?
Not worth it if you already have a Horizon PRO, and the PRO can be found for half the price of the Ultra.
Well, sort of. When placed side by side - there is notable difference in terms of brightness and color reproduction. But yeah - definitely something that has to be considered. Price if the Pro right now is AWESOME
I've a Horizon HD is it worth upgrading to the ultra?
@kayodefashola9226
If u don't have the pro, then maybe, I had both and the pro dose look much better than the standard one.
There will be lots of pros being sold for around £900 so would be much cheaper than the ultra.
I don't like the size and weight of the Ultra so I'll stick with the pro.
@@JohnSmith-ef8nr I agree with you there. I really like the size and shape of the Pro. I think it makes it stand out less.
No actual review, just rehash of specs and details
How do you envision an actual review of this one?
not good review. not enough actual footage of the image that is not fake
So all the image there is fake? I'm happy to upload all the samples and footage somewhere so that you see that what you state is not quite right...
@TechMishka sent u link of a perfect way to review a projector image.