Nick - I don’t think most people have a problem with you disagreeing with your “household”. The problem is you beat your point into the ground until they give up. Your opinions (not facts) are valid but so are theirs and it would be nice if you didn’t spend so long trying to prove otherwise.
I think one of the biggest problems is that he doesn’t read the comments (hence why he asked what people said about the gaslighting discussion.) So he probably had no idea how much we complain about this.
Nick isn't understanding that 2 things can be true. We can not like Jo, but also think she was gaslighted by Tom. This isn't a matter of who we like better
Katie's descriptions of Jo, while 'colorful' and harsh, have all been accurate. Jo is looney. However, Tom's treatment of her is definitely suspect. We will not know for sure if it was gaslighting but at minimum it was manipulation for his own benefit.
No Jo literally asked Katie to cut schwartz hair then went behind Katie’s back after the divorce and asked Tom to be her roommate…he felt bad and was short of money so he let Jo be a roommate. Schwartz tells everyone he loves them. Like seriously JO is nuts
Good luck Alison!! Will miss ya!! Nick, please try to have healthy conversations with other team members who don’t agree with you. Most of the time it’s like my way or no way. If someone has a different opinion Nick shoots it down right away. There needs to be someone who can challenge you more cause others have different views and that’s ok. Lately it’s just been Nick trying to prove his point for 30 min and it’s hard to listen as the household slowly gives in. Just my two cents. I tune in often and just wanted to share my feedback
I feel the same way. I like listening for the content but him snapping at his team is not fun to listen to. Is that why Amanda left? I never heard that story
THIS! He gets so triggered anytime someone disagrees with him and then throws a fit over it explaining why he’s right. It’s starting to take over so much of the episodes and it’s so hard to listen to.
Im living for Natalie being like, "pull up the scene" and "we will agree to disagree" to Nick. Last week when Nick was talking about gaslighting I kept thinking that if Natalie were there she could have broken it down Barney style for him.
I think Nick has friended Tom And his views of his actions are now clouded with his continued defense of tom who clearly gave jo mixed signals of his feelings and intentions.
Well he's making it Crystal clear now & she's still a psycho. He has a whole gf & she goes live talking about him & how they're still going to be together. She's straight up delusional.
What is happening to this podcast!! All the OGs have left and it’s turning into the Nick and Natalie show which is fine but I need some opposing opinions
Ally and Amanda were both extremely thoughtful and provided differing opinions which was refreshing. The new people do not do their research and seem to just agree with Nick. UGTH. Sad day - this and the affair news - am I over the podcast?
Emma is by far the best guest you’ve had!!! She’s so entertaining to watch and listen to. She has so much knowledge to share. What a fun podcast to listen to!!! Pls have her back again in the future.
Ali will be greatly missed but at least she got to say her goodbye unlike Amanda. 🤔 I like Natalie but has anyone else noticed that now that they are offically married she has been all about the money? The constant complaints about not getting a David Yurman necklace. Not understanding that Nick can't afford a 6 million dollar house and saying they live in a dump? Not a good look.
Ariana filmed with Tom numerous times this year. People keep saying (including Nick here) that she won't film with him and that is clearly not correct. She just does not want him to have access to her and does not want to have a manufactured conversation with him for his redemption arc.
Everything shifted for Lala, Scheana, and production when it was confirmed Raquel/Rachel wasn't coming back midway into the season. They thought she ultimately would and that would provide the drama. They were banking on it. When she didn't and did the Bethenny interview, that's where things shift when you watch. Production and Lala, especially, started to panic because Lala thought her story would involve engaging with Rachel on some level and provide the drama. Then it became, we need to make this Sandoval/Ariana thing happen. And it didn't.
Nick! Omg, you refuse to the possibility of being wrong. You still think something is wrong with people who don’t agree with you. It’s true people use gaslighting wrong but he was in that example.
Where was Lala's honesty when filming? When interacting with Ariana on the show she never voiced her frustration to her, she was only talking behind her back. That's BS
@@EmmWarShe’s not the bad azz Bish that she wants to believe and convince the audience she is. She’s the most scared of them all and brings zero of her own content to the show. I guess she forgot about all the NDA’s she was having the cast sign AND her conversation with producers, about how if they brought her ex on post split, she would walk. Sooo this crying about “I never got to dictate,” is just another regular temper tantrum, from one of the few entitled cast brats.
When Nick says "it's not even up to Jo" with regards on deciding if she was gaslighted by Tom, and yet he chooses himself to decide that it definitely wasn't and reacts condescendingly to anyone trying to clarify it to him... that's not a good quality for leading these conversations.
Lala forgets she was the mistress of her relationship with a married man with children. There will be different reactions because it’s a different situation. Lalas situation was also treated differently because the way SHE went about her relationship as well… she was very sneaky and shady about it for the first few years, the Range Rover, bj’s for pj’s, no one was allowed to talk about her relationship, etc- it didn’t feel authentic. But hey, to each their own.
Exactly. It is apples to oranges but if she really wants to compare situations, she is the Rachel of her situation not an Ariana. She wants fair treatment but fair is not the exact same treatment for everyone. Also, her being upset she wasn't "allowed" to walk off when Ariana did is laughable. They yelled at Ariana to come back and tried to get her to not walk away. Difference is that Ariana stuck to her decision. Lala folded to LVP instantly. She could have continued walking and taken a moment or ended it there. She just has less conviction.
i really don’t think vpr is ending. idk if people are unaware but Ariana is actually hosting Love Island USA in Fiji this whole summer (when vpr films) so i know that is most likely why the show is on hiatus this summer. sure they could film without Ariana, but for the people tuning in, she’s the one most people are fascinated with! she handled everything very gracefully at the reunion. i admire her strength to even be around Tom!
Nick never treated ally right no wonder she left, he was always kind of passive aggressive rude/dismissive/unappreciative of her. Good luck ally, and love from India 🇮🇳
Natalie! I totally agree with everything you said about home cleanliness! No shoes inside, no outside clothes on the bed, clothes off from the airport or hospital, and no suitcase on the bed! Totally hear you 😂
nick once again your take is so wrong on shwartz and even your wife is trying to tell if you... if it was ANY other guy you would not be fighting it this hard. just admit the L. you previously called shwartz a peter pan and now that you want him on your show more youre going back on everything you say to the ask nick callers when they need help in situationships. smh
Agreed!! Also, wasn’t LaLa the mistress in that relationship? She needs to get off her high horse, and stop hating on Ariana. Isn’t LaLa the one whose always talking about women empowerment? She’s a shifty friend, but I know her and Ariana aren’t friends in RL
Natalie is my people! Because absolutely no outside clothes on the bed, no suitcases on the bed… EVER. I absolutely shower in the morning, and also at night because I have to get in bed clean or I can’t sleep. Maybe I’m crazy but…….. cleanliness is a must
Ally!!! You will be so very missed! Your banter with Nick and the rest of the household has always been a highlight of the episodes. Please let us know how we can continue to support you!
So inappropriate of Nick to keep asking sex related stuff to sweet Emma who was clearly not very comfortable sharing these very personal things. He definitely has objectified her so much probably because she presents herself as a ‘bold’ woman
Nick is totally gaslighting every woman who has been gaslighted! Your 4 team members tried to explain it you but you refused to listen and acknowledge that you are wrong!
Why doesn't Lala understand 1st Randall wasn't on the show and that she lied about Randall for 2 seasons then quit because she didn't want to talk about being a mistress. Then she came back once Randall finally got a divorce. How is her story anything like Ariana's and Tom? Why is it anyone's else responsibility to "carry" the show. Maybe Lala is just not that interesting because the audience is sick of her either yelling or crying, I know I am!
@41:00 The problem with Tom and Jo isn’t that he lead her on. It’s that he did it and acts as if he didn’t. That’s gaslighting. He is acting like her memories of their relationship are invalid while still saying it was magic and amazing. He’s acting like he didn’t do things to make her feel that way. That’s the problem. If he’d admit that he was leading her on or giving her mixed signals or not as up front as he should have been with her, there wouldn’t be an issue. The problem is that he does not admit he made her feel like they were dating. Whether or not he meant to.
The part where lala said shes pregnant but shes not allowed to get up and walk away but Ariana can did we all not watch the same show they tried to stop Ariana and she didnt give in Lala u got up to be dramatic if u really were done and wanted to protect ur pregnancy who tf cares if Lisa told u to sit down u left half way thru a season only to show up to the reunion and tell them u refuse to answer any questions about ur married bf seriously what if is everyone talking about Lala is a HYROCRITE
I shower every night! I don’t understand people who shower in the morning, go to work or go outside and then come home and don’t shower?!!! I live in Florida and it’s too humid to not shower at night before bed.
Love the team. I just feel uncomfortable seeing people who aren't therapists explaining terms such as ‘gaslighting’ without having an expert confirm or deny their narratives.
It's actually not great for your skin to shower every day, especially if you use soap because it strips the oils and beneficial bacteria from the skin. But if you sweat, shower that shit off! I stand with Natalie on the shoes off, suitcase on the floor, and washing hair. So much fun to have this conversation. LOL
Gaslighting: If both people know exactly what happened but 1 of the 2 is trying to tell you something completely different happened. IE: "We'll be getting married in 5 years, wait who said that?"
It's completely different than a random argument where people forget something. I get what Nick's point is, but that isn't accurate in the Jo/Schwartz dynamic.
Nick…this is a public service announcement, you’re are giving Lala when you get all worked up at the slightest of disagreement with your opinion….and your takes on Schwartz have become soft since you invited him and his gf on a double date 🤔
God.. Nick was unbearable. Him trying to come for Allie and her relationship and compare it to gaslighting.. like what?! Tom did gaslight Jo and Jo heavily pursued an emotionally unavailable man.. point blank
Comparison really is the thief of joy which is why Lala is the most boring ever. If she would have just focused on her own life she would have had the audience in her palm. Instead she spent her time tearing down beloved castmates. Crazy how she said Katie was the miserable one but that was not what I saw this season.
Trying deeply to understand why people don’t shower daily 😅 I shower twice a day everyday. Morning to refresh and start my day feeling more awake, at night to wash off the day. Basic body movements, gym or various exercise, germs from the outside world, everything sticks to you! Don’t bring that in your literal BED 🥴 and if you’re in a relationship I feel like you feel better then you’re clean and your partner certainly feels better if you’re clean. (Both ways) no one wants to go down town on something that’s been in or around how many toilet seats multiple times a day without being CLEANED 😭 yuckieeeeee
Just because Tom is now your friend - doesn’t mean you can deflect and minimize what actually happened, in reality, in terms of Tom and Jo’s relationship. Terrible take, Nick.
It’s not just Tom Is his friend. Tom has come on his show and brought him a lot of listens/views= $$$ for nicks pocket. That is the root of defending both Tom’s
People aren’t watching this show for Lala and Scheana. Please be serious lol. - Nick is vastly underestimating the impact of insulting your fanbase. & production and Lala VASTLY underestimated our intelligence & on top of that Lala went on her podcast and trashed the fans. Lala couldn’t even sell enough books to make the NYT best sellers list. She cannot lead this show to success. She’s not likable because she doesn’t even know who she is.
He and Tom have the same behaviors and treat people the same way. Schwartz just puts on a better front as a silly, goofy goober. Seems Nick fell for it.
@@EmmWar 😅 Schwartz “pleases people”, by telling them what they want to hear, and then manipulates them into defending and excusing him, for his selfish and manipulative behaviors. I wish people would actually try to understand it, before they dismiss and minimize it.
@@twinklemagic024 Phew, didn't want anyone to think I was going for Nick that hard. It still shocks me the amount of pathology that was on VPR. One of the most wild reality tv casts to date.
OG listener here. Ali leaving sucks. I don’t get the constant changes with the household and also never know any of these guests anymore. I’m in my mid-30s and starting to feel too old for this show
Justin needed to read the second definition for gaslighting as well: the practice of deceiving people through the repetition of a constructed false narrative. That’s what Tom did when he kept repeating to everyone else that they were just friends and slept together sporadically. That’s what Nick did when he kept repeating what he decided does and doesn’t qualify as gaslighting. That’s what Nick is doing when he consistently brings up what Jo has been up to since the filming of the season when we’re all talking about what happened during and before the season. What I’ve gathered is that it’s okay for Nick to change the definition of gaslighting but when we disagree with his definition it’s US that’s trying to change it. Damn, he gaslighting me now.
I think 2 things can be true at once I think Schwartz was breadcrumbing her but i also think Jo was aware of what their situation was she was just hoping things would change for him and he would be ready to be with her if she waited but like lets bffr she knew he was hooking up with ppl and she was an available option that sucks dont get me wrong but she was a willing participant
Natalie is so spoilt. She married up and expects a 6 million house, why don't she get a job that contributes a 6 million lifestyle then to expect Nick to take up the big chunk of responsibility to provide that for her.
Natalie is good on the show. She does adds really well but she disses Nick so much. She talks about houses she wants and her going back to her shitty abode. A real lack of appreciation for what Nick has built and doesn’t show him much respect.
Why do the producers always choose the LONGEST ads? If I’m listening while I’m busy doing work around the house, I don’t mind just letting a 30 second ad play out. But it’s kinda irritating having to go over to my phone everytime a 5+ minute ad starts playing
I will never accept what Lala did or said cause her frustrations lost its purpose when she kept talking shit about Ariana behind her back and ultimately being upset with Ariana for receiving support that she feels she never received it will never make sense to me why she felt like this was Ariana's fault when she has shown her support. If she truly was so concerned about the continuation of the show she could have said this to Ariana before habouring these ill feelings towards her and trying to get the rest of the cast to do the dirty work for her until she decided to just go off course
Maybe Lala is correctly intuiting that many VPR relationships are reaching a natural end. Tom +Tom, Ariana+Katie, Scheana + Lala-seem like genuine friendships because they get each other. But as a full group not sure what is left there. Few things are worse than trying to revivify dead relationships. It’s ok to move on. Maybe some spin offs could work but I know those risky and take capital…
Federal cases are not filmed and shown on television. Who knows if he’ll even take it to trial. Most cases don’t go to trial and when they DO go to trial, the defendant usually loses. It’s extremely difficult to win at trial.
All of you were so insightful tonight. You brought up so many good points that I hadn't thought of in regards to VPR. (but I did take a gummy so I can't wait to wake up tomorrow and see if this opinion stands) 😂😂😂
If those girls would just admit they were jealous that they have never gotten the treatment Ariana has it would change everything for them. Instead they go with this mean girl betrayal attitude towards Ariana. What Scheana and Lala don’t get is that they’re not likeable period. No one likes them. They’re self absorbed and very superficial.
The only thing I agree with about them as a mom of a toddler it IS easy to be self absorbed because at that stage you almost can’t see straight (my kids are older now) BUT every other thing about them I can’t excuse. Jealous mean girls
Interesting how Tom got off Scott free at the reunion, and felt comfortable enough with the girls fighting to make his odd and dirty “jokes” ….. like, how to spin things your way…. 😮
You need to watch again if you think Lauren and Scheana were the best. They both had boring storyline. The fans are reacting negatively to both. Watch for both to start apologizing
These comments are not passing the vibe check. I love Natalie consistently being on the show. He’s married to her? I love the River updates? Regardless of if I agree with Nick’s take on everything, I love the difference of perspectives and everyone voicing their own. And I truly enjoy seeing everyone on the team participating and on camera. Idk I love this show. Lol excited to see who joins the team after Ally.
Vanderpump thoughts: This is not the end of the show but it is the end of the show as we know it to be. The original premise of the show was following a group of young people trying to make it in LA while working at a LVP restaurant. It grew to following this group of friends navigate their adult lives. It has been clear this season that most of this cast is inauthentic and they are not actually friends. The show cannot carry on with this group as it is. Personally, what I would like to see is a split up of the cast. -Send Lala, Scheana and Brock to the Valley. They are already a part of the group and have been on the show. -Start a new show, Something about Her, with Katie, Ariana, Dayna, Carli, Kristina K and new women that follows boss women with businesses in LA navigate life. Give the fans what they wanted this season: Women supporting women. The drama will come organically. -Turn VPR back to the original premise. Set at Tom Tom/Pump with LVP the Toms and a new cast of twenty somethings. Lisa can keep the show going with a revamped cast that do not cost 10k an episode per person.
Nick underestimates how much Ariana means (and has meant) to the female viewers. The only reason Scandoval was on CNN was because of how mad we were that the girl we loved and respected got screwed over. Lala is a gold digger and Schena is a pick-me girl. We'll watch them, but we don't care about them.
For ppl who’ve been here for a while Ally leaving is gonna suck! She was faithful wish her the best of luck ❤️
I know I love her too! did she say why shes leaving>
Nick - I don’t think most people have a problem with you disagreeing with your “household”. The problem is you beat your point into the ground until they give up. Your opinions (not facts) are valid but so are theirs and it would be nice if you didn’t spend so long trying to prove otherwise.
I think one of the biggest problems is that he doesn’t read the comments (hence why he asked what people said about the gaslighting discussion.)
So he probably had no idea how much we complain about this.
this!!!!
Where are you going Allison?!?! OG listeners are gonna miss you…it hasn’t been the same since Amanda left 😢
Totally
I rarely watch since Amanda left. It’s not the same.
@organiclady why did Amanda leave?
It’s getting hard to listen when Nick turns defensive every time someone disagrees😢
thisssssss
It’s not a surprise he said Ally was his favorite. Amanda always challenged him and brought excellent content and perspectives.
He’s insufferable- just take the LLLLLLL Nick
This!!
its the talking louder and interrupting for me :/
Nick isn't understanding that 2 things can be true. We can not like Jo, but also think she was gaslighted by Tom. This isn't a matter of who we like better
Said perfectly! Sometimes therapy can help you see things so differently.
Katie's descriptions of Jo, while 'colorful' and harsh, have all been accurate. Jo is looney. However, Tom's treatment of her is definitely suspect. We will not know for sure if it was gaslighting but at minimum it was manipulation for his own benefit.
Yep
No Jo literally asked Katie to cut schwartz hair then went behind Katie’s back after the divorce and asked Tom to be her roommate…he felt bad and was short of money so he let Jo be a roommate. Schwartz tells everyone he loves them. Like seriously JO is nuts
@@krystashafer3506 exactly
Shout out to Justin for always being the one with facts and knowledge around all the discussions
Good luck Alison!! Will miss ya!! Nick, please try to have healthy conversations with other team members who don’t agree with you. Most of the time it’s like my way or no way. If someone has a different opinion Nick shoots it down right away. There needs to be someone who can challenge you more cause others have different views and that’s ok. Lately it’s just been Nick trying to prove his point for 30 min and it’s hard to listen as the household slowly gives in. Just my two cents. I tune in often and just wanted to share my feedback
Hard agree!!!! I used to like watching this now it’s so painful to watch him argue he’s right when he absolutely isn’t
I feel the same way. I like listening for the content but him snapping at his team is not fun to listen to. Is that why Amanda left? I never heard that story
THIS! He gets so triggered anytime someone disagrees with him and then throws a fit over it explaining why he’s right. It’s starting to take over so much of the episodes and it’s so hard to listen to.
Another episode from Nick "I'm never wrong, my opinion is the only right one" Viall
Well it's his show
its not enjoyable. he sounds like a dick@@fishfooood
Im living for Natalie being like, "pull up the scene" and "we will agree to disagree" to Nick. Last week when Nick was talking about gaslighting I kept thinking that if Natalie were there she could have broken it down Barney style for him.
I think Nick has friended Tom And his views of his actions are now clouded with his continued defense of tom who clearly gave jo mixed signals of his feelings and intentions.
Well he's making it Crystal clear now & she's still a psycho. He has a whole gf & she goes live talking about him & how they're still going to be together. She's straight up delusional.
I think after that a Coachella interview Nick fell under the Tom spell lol
@@kaelahcomershe is psycho, but he is also a butthole
I love Emma’s energy. She feels like such a bubbly yet classy woman.
What is happening to this podcast!! All the OGs have left and it’s turning into the Nick and Natalie show which is fine but I need some opposing opinions
when natalie opposes him he just keeps going and going until she gives up lol
The Nick & Natalie show is not interesting. In fact, I thought Natalie might just show up every blue moon.
Yeah this is garbage at this point.
It’s getting annoying listening to Nick constantly interrupt his guest and not letting them finish the questions he’s asked.
Ally and Amanda were both extremely thoughtful and provided differing opinions which was refreshing. The new people do not do their research and seem to just agree with Nick. UGTH. Sad day - this and the affair news - am I over the podcast?
I miss Amanda! Why did she leave?! I know she started her own podcast but there had to be reason for her to do that.
And Amanda got no goodbye…
@@sl2koolI saw that it was because of Nataly
Aly leaving legit brought me to tears 😢
Emma is by far the best guest you’ve had!!! She’s so entertaining to watch and listen to. She has so much knowledge to share. What a fun podcast to listen to!!! Pls have her back again in the future.
Also loved Ciara low key dangling over Emma. Obviously the only one who watches selling sunset
Ali will be greatly missed but at least she got to say her goodbye unlike Amanda. 🤔 I like Natalie but has anyone else noticed that now that they are offically married she has been all about the money? The constant complaints about not getting a David Yurman necklace. Not understanding that Nick can't afford a 6 million dollar house and saying they live in a dump? Not a good look.
Ariana filmed with Tom numerous times this year. People keep saying (including Nick here) that she won't film with him and that is clearly not correct. She just does not want him to have access to her and does not want to have a manufactured conversation with him for his redemption arc.
Exactly what I said 🎉
And she even had multiple conversations or yelling at home on camera! Which was what everyone wanted.
Everything shifted for Lala, Scheana, and production when it was confirmed Raquel/Rachel wasn't coming back midway into the season. They thought she ultimately would and that would provide the drama. They were banking on it. When she didn't and did the Bethenny interview, that's where things shift when you watch. Production and Lala, especially, started to panic because Lala thought her story would involve engaging with Rachel on some level and provide the drama. Then it became, we need to make this Sandoval/Ariana thing happen. And it didn't.
Nick! Omg, you refuse to the possibility of being wrong. You still think something is wrong with people who don’t agree with you. It’s true people use gaslighting wrong but he was in that example.
I've been wanting to say for awhile he can never admit he's wrong 😅
Where was Lala's honesty when filming? When interacting with Ariana on the show she never voiced her frustration to her, she was only talking behind her back. That's BS
She is big and bad in interviews by ran from in person confrontation until she went after Katie at the reunion. Even then wouldn't look at her.
@@EmmWarShe’s not the bad azz Bish that she wants to believe and convince the audience she is.
She’s the most scared of them all and brings zero of her own content to the show.
I guess she forgot about all the NDA’s she was having the cast sign AND her conversation with producers, about how if they brought her ex on post split, she would walk.
Sooo this crying about “I never got to dictate,” is just another regular temper tantrum, from one of the few entitled cast brats.
When Nick says "it's not even up to Jo" with regards on deciding if she was gaslighted by Tom, and yet he chooses himself to decide that it definitely wasn't and reacts condescendingly to anyone trying to clarify it to him... that's not a good quality for leading these conversations.
👏👏👏👏
Lala forgets she was the mistress of her relationship with a married man with children. There will be different reactions because it’s a different situation. Lalas situation was also treated differently because the way SHE went about her relationship as well… she was very sneaky and shady about it for the first few years, the Range Rover, bj’s for pj’s, no one was allowed to talk about her relationship, etc- it didn’t feel authentic. But hey, to each their own.
Exactly. It is apples to oranges but if she really wants to compare situations, she is the Rachel of her situation not an Ariana. She wants fair treatment but fair is not the exact same treatment for everyone. Also, her being upset she wasn't "allowed" to walk off when Ariana did is laughable. They yelled at Ariana to come back and tried to get her to not walk away. Difference is that Ariana stuck to her decision. Lala folded to LVP instantly. She could have continued walking and taken a moment or ended it there. She just has less conviction.
i really don’t think vpr is ending. idk if people are unaware but Ariana is actually hosting Love Island USA in Fiji this whole summer (when vpr films) so i know that is most likely why the show is on hiatus this summer. sure they could film without Ariana, but for the people tuning in, she’s the one most people are fascinated with! she handled everything very gracefully at the reunion. i admire her strength to even be around Tom!
i don't think believing that jo was gaslighted is synonymous with being "team jo"... #teamkatie4lyf3
Katie and Ariana - are right. lol that’s it that’s the whole sentence!!
Nick never treated ally right no wonder she left, he was always kind of passive aggressive rude/dismissive/unappreciative of her. Good luck ally, and love from India 🇮🇳
Natalie! I totally agree with everything you said about home cleanliness! No shoes inside, no outside clothes on the bed, clothes off from the airport or hospital, and no suitcase on the bed! Totally hear you 😂
I’m tuning out of the podcast more often than not
Same
Nick is getting so unlikeable
Why does Nick not empathize with women. He doesnt think production went after Ariana? Schwartz wasnt gaslighting? Rachel is vile but Tom is just Tom?
nick once again your take is so wrong on shwartz and even your wife is trying to tell if you... if it was ANY other guy you would not be fighting it this hard. just admit the L. you previously called shwartz a peter pan and now that you want him on your show more youre going back on everything you say to the ask nick callers when they need help in situationships. smh
LaLa didn't get the same treatment because her relationship was a business deal.
Agreed!! Also, wasn’t LaLa the mistress in that relationship? She needs to get off her high horse, and stop hating on Ariana. Isn’t LaLa the one whose always talking about women empowerment? She’s a shifty friend, but I know her and Ariana aren’t friends in RL
does this man have any critical thinking skills? Nick LOVES to hear his own voice
the way Nick was a a dog with a bone with his opinions. Always has to have the last say. You can tell the others here were over it today
Ariana stayed Real and honest and owned up, Lauren and Scheana dogged her behind her back .. period
Yesssssss
The producers went after Arianna and had two individuals to help them. Lauren from Utah and Sheana.
This🎉🎉🎉🎉 they tried it. Ariana conquered. And Katie came out stronger
Natalie is my people! Because absolutely no outside clothes on the bed, no suitcases on the bed… EVER. I absolutely shower in the morning, and also at night because I have to get in bed clean or I can’t sleep. Maybe I’m crazy but…….. cleanliness is a must
Ally!!! You will be so very missed! Your banter with Nick and the rest of the household has always been a highlight of the episodes. Please let us know how we can continue to support you!
So inappropriate of Nick to keep asking sex related stuff to sweet Emma who was clearly not very comfortable sharing these very personal things. He definitely has objectified her so much probably because she presents herself as a ‘bold’ woman
I was cringing. He couldn't take a hint.
Nick is totally gaslighting every woman who has been gaslighted! Your 4 team members tried to explain it you but you refused to listen and acknowledge that you are wrong!
Everything Nick does is an ick for Natalie. 😂
ALLY NOOOOOOOO!! This is soooo sad to see! I love all of her commentary and I hope you get all you want girl!! Thanks for sharing yourself with us ❤❤
Why is Kim the only one getting criticism when North’s dad is literally Kanye West? How do you know this wasn’t his doing? Or a joint decision?
Why doesn't Lala understand 1st Randall wasn't on the show and that she lied about Randall for 2 seasons then quit because she didn't want to talk about being a mistress. Then she came back once Randall finally got a divorce. How is her story anything like Ariana's and Tom? Why is it anyone's else responsibility to "carry" the show. Maybe Lala is just not that interesting because the audience is sick of her either yelling or crying, I know I am!
Ariana was Tim’s mistress when he was with Kristen. Pot meet kettle.
@41:00 The problem with Tom and Jo isn’t that he lead her on. It’s that he did it and acts as if he didn’t. That’s gaslighting. He is acting like her memories of their relationship are invalid while still saying it was magic and amazing. He’s acting like he didn’t do things to make her feel that way. That’s the problem. If he’d admit that he was leading her on or giving her mixed signals or not as up front as he should have been with her, there wouldn’t be an issue. The problem is that he does not admit he made her feel like they were dating. Whether or not he meant to.
💯
The part where lala said shes pregnant but shes not allowed to get up and walk away but Ariana can did we all not watch the same show they tried to stop Ariana and she didnt give in Lala u got up to be dramatic if u really were done and wanted to protect ur pregnancy who tf cares if Lisa told u to sit down u left half way thru a season only to show up to the reunion and tell them u refuse to answer any questions about ur married bf seriously what if is everyone talking about Lala is a HYROCRITE
Best of luck Ally! Thank you for all your hard work ❤
I shower every night! I don’t understand people who shower in the morning, go to work or go outside and then come home and don’t shower?!!! I live in Florida and it’s too humid to not shower at night before bed.
Love the team. I just feel uncomfortable seeing people who aren't therapists explaining terms such as ‘gaslighting’ without having an expert confirm or deny their narratives.
It's actually not great for your skin to shower every day, especially if you use soap because it strips the oils and beneficial bacteria from the skin. But if you sweat, shower that shit off! I stand with Natalie on the shoes off, suitcase on the floor, and washing hair. So much fun to have this conversation. LOL
Gaslighting: If both people know exactly what happened but 1 of the 2 is trying to tell you something completely different happened.
IE: "We'll be getting married in 5 years, wait who said that?"
It's completely different than a random argument where people forget something. I get what Nick's point is, but that isn't accurate in the Jo/Schwartz dynamic.
Nick…this is a public service announcement, you’re are giving Lala when you get all worked up at the slightest of disagreement with your opinion….and your takes on Schwartz have become soft since you invited him and his gf on a double date 🤔
God.. Nick was unbearable. Him trying to come for Allie and her relationship and compare it to gaslighting.. like what?! Tom did gaslight Jo and Jo heavily pursued an emotionally unavailable man.. point blank
Comparison really is the thief of joy which is why Lala is the most boring ever. If she would have just focused on her own life she would have had the audience in her palm. Instead she spent her time tearing down beloved castmates. Crazy how she said Katie was the miserable one but that was not what I saw this season.
Nick and Natalie sounding more and more married with each episode lol
Trying deeply to understand why people don’t shower daily 😅 I shower twice a day everyday. Morning to refresh and start my day feeling more awake, at night to wash off the day. Basic body movements, gym or various exercise, germs from the outside world, everything sticks to you! Don’t bring that in your literal BED 🥴 and if you’re in a relationship I feel like you feel better then you’re clean and your partner certainly feels better if you’re clean. (Both ways) no one wants to go down town on something that’s been in or around how many toilet seats multiple times a day without being CLEANED 😭 yuckieeeeee
Just because Tom is now your friend - doesn’t mean you can deflect and minimize what actually happened, in reality, in terms of Tom and Jo’s relationship. Terrible take, Nick.
It’s not just Tom Is his friend. Tom has come on his show and brought him a lot of listens/views= $$$ for nicks pocket. That is the root of defending both Tom’s
Anyone notice the quick flash at 32:40 of the show notes that was randomly up on the screen? lol
😂
Can Ally please do some guest appearances PLEASE!
People aren’t watching this show for Lala and Scheana. Please be serious lol. - Nick is vastly underestimating the impact of insulting your fanbase. & production and Lala VASTLY underestimated our intelligence & on top of that Lala went on her podcast and trashed the fans.
Lala couldn’t even sell enough books to make the NYT best sellers list. She cannot lead this show to success. She’s not likable because she doesn’t even know who she is.
that river story in the middle of the night is so relatable lolol
Rip to the og team 😢 I miss it so much
definitely can't stand the latest 2 additions.
@@mrsjessicasmithsame those two new girls ugh
Schwartz is a “people pleaser?” 😂😂 You truly have no capacity to understand people.
He and Tom have the same behaviors and treat people the same way. Schwartz just puts on a better front as a silly, goofy goober. Seems Nick fell for it.
@@EmmWar 😅 Schwartz “pleases people”, by telling them what they want to hear, and then manipulates them into defending and excusing him, for his selfish and manipulative behaviors.
I wish people would actually try to understand it, before they dismiss and minimize it.
@@twinklemagic024 For clarification, by he I meant Sandoval.
@@EmmWar That’s funny, I never even questioned it…😂 The level of pathology in both of them is astonishing to witness. Lala too.
@@twinklemagic024 Phew, didn't want anyone to think I was going for Nick that hard. It still shocks me the amount of pathology that was on VPR. One of the most wild reality tv casts to date.
OG listener here. Ali leaving sucks. I don’t get the constant changes with the household and also never know any of these guests anymore. I’m in my mid-30s and starting to feel too old for this show
Same. More for 20 somethings now.
I feel exactly the same way.
Justin needed to read the second definition for gaslighting as well:
the practice of deceiving people through the repetition of a constructed false narrative.
That’s what Tom did when he kept repeating to everyone else that they were just friends and slept together sporadically.
That’s what Nick did when he kept repeating what he decided does and doesn’t qualify as gaslighting.
That’s what Nick is doing when he consistently brings up what Jo has been up to since the filming of the season when we’re all talking about what happened during and before the season.
What I’ve gathered is that it’s okay for Nick to change the definition of gaslighting but when we disagree with his definition it’s US that’s trying to change it. Damn, he gaslighting me now.
People pleasing is still manipulation. Whether intended or not
I think 2 things can be true at once I think Schwartz was breadcrumbing her but i also think Jo was aware of what their situation was she was just hoping things would change for him and he would be ready to be with her if she waited but like lets bffr she knew he was hooking up with ppl and she was an available option that sucks dont get me wrong but she was a willing participant
Gaslighting AGAIN? About GASLIGHTING?! at this point it's comical. And I guess they're not gonna address the rumors.
Natalie is so spoilt. She married up and expects a 6 million house, why don't she get a job that contributes a 6 million lifestyle then to expect Nick to take up the big chunk of responsibility to provide that for her.
The way she referred to their home as a “shitty abode”, if I were Nick and that’s all I could afford, I’d be disappointed
I’m definitely going to miss Alison !😢 Good luck on your next chapter in life!🥰
Emma is such a delight 💖
Natalie is good on the show. She does adds really well but she disses Nick so much. She talks about houses she wants and her going back to her shitty abode. A real lack of appreciation for what Nick has built and doesn’t show him much respect.
She seems real salty towards him lately. I think it hurts his feelings
I mean he sucks can you blame her?@elizabeth3007
Awe! Good luck to you, Alison! 🫶🏼
Randal and Tom situations are not the same
Why do the producers always choose the LONGEST ads? If I’m listening while I’m busy doing work around the house, I don’t mind just letting a 30 second ad play out. But it’s kinda irritating having to go over to my phone everytime a 5+ minute ad starts playing
I will never accept what Lala did or said cause her frustrations lost its purpose when she kept talking shit about Ariana behind her back and ultimately being upset with Ariana for receiving support that she feels she never received it will never make sense to me why she felt like this was Ariana's fault when she has shown her support. If she truly was so concerned about the continuation of the show she could have said this to Ariana before habouring these ill feelings towards her and trying to get the rest of the cast to do the dirty work for her until she decided to just go off course
In the next episode, we will debate the definition of delusional.
Right like???? How is Jo that
Maybe Lala is correctly intuiting that many VPR relationships are reaching a natural end. Tom +Tom, Ariana+Katie, Scheana + Lala-seem like genuine friendships because they get each other. But as a full group not sure what is left there. Few things are worse than trying to revivify dead relationships. It’s ok to move on. Maybe some spin offs could work but I know those risky and take capital…
Nick is wrong. Wtf was lala’s
Story? Water?? Sperm?? That won’t carry a show. Scheana? Ocd? “Why isn’t is about me”? Please. 🙄
Love love Emma!! Want more 😊
Also you need to look up gaslighting … no it’s not just a disagreement lmao
I also hope that they don’t cancel Vanderpump and don’t think they will. I do think that Lala should be moved to a Housewives show.
Federal cases are not filmed and shown on television. Who knows if he’ll even take it to trial. Most cases don’t go to trial and when they DO go to trial, the defendant usually loses. It’s extremely difficult to win at trial.
IM A BITER TOO! Don’t worry yall. The ice cream/popsicle biters exist 😂
Thank you for clarifying for your husband Natalie! lol we all agree (most of us) … Joe/ Tom
Sad to see Ally go but wish her all the best! Love the comment “maybe she’ll come back” ❤
100% with Natalie about shoes in the house and on the bathroom rug! makes me insane.
All of you were so insightful tonight. You brought up so many good points that I hadn't thought of in regards to VPR. (but I did take a gummy so I can't wait to wake up tomorrow and see if this opinion stands) 😂😂😂
Does anyone know the tea about Amanda? Coz when she left, there was no farewell or anything… Really curious about what happened 🤓
If those girls would just admit they were jealous that they have never gotten the treatment Ariana has it would change everything for them. Instead they go with this mean girl betrayal attitude towards Ariana. What Scheana and Lala don’t get is that they’re not likeable period. No one likes them. They’re self absorbed and very superficial.
The only thing I agree with about them as a mom of a toddler it IS easy to be self absorbed because at that stage you almost can’t see straight (my kids are older now) BUT every other thing about them I can’t excuse. Jealous mean girls
Interesting how Tom got off Scott free at the reunion, and felt comfortable enough with the girls fighting to make his odd and dirty “jokes” ….. like, how to spin things your way…. 😮
You need to watch again if you think Lauren and Scheana were the best. They both had boring storyline. The fans are reacting negatively to both. Watch for both to start apologizing
Love Emma 😍 she’s so cool and down to earth
Nick, I agree w/ you re: Lala creating a self fulfilling prophecy on the show.
2 completely different situations- and LALA lied and covered up so many things so her argument is invalid.
First time listening only for Emma, love her, but the host gives off major ick vibes! Reeks of ego! But, go EMMA!!
Omg Chrissy! Blast from the past-Loved her. Was shocked when she left. BUT ALLY!!! Noooo😭💔
These comments are not passing the vibe check. I love Natalie consistently being on the show. He’s married to her? I love the River updates? Regardless of if I agree with Nick’s take on everything, I love the difference of perspectives and everyone voicing their own. And I truly enjoy seeing everyone on the team participating and on camera. Idk I love this show. Lol excited to see who joins the team after Ally.
Vanderpump thoughts:
This is not the end of the show but it is the end of the show as we know it to be. The original premise of the show was following a group of young people trying to make it in LA while working at a LVP restaurant. It grew to following this group of friends navigate their adult lives. It has been clear this season that most of this cast is inauthentic and they are not actually friends. The show cannot carry on with this group as it is.
Personally, what I would like to see is a split up of the cast.
-Send Lala, Scheana and Brock to the Valley. They are already a part of the group and have been on the show.
-Start a new show, Something about Her, with Katie, Ariana, Dayna, Carli, Kristina K and new women that follows boss women with businesses in LA navigate life. Give the fans what they wanted this season: Women supporting women. The drama will come organically.
-Turn VPR back to the original premise. Set at Tom Tom/Pump with LVP the Toms and a new cast of twenty somethings. Lisa can keep the show going with a revamped cast that do not cost 10k an episode per person.
Lolllll but have James Mae and Stassi on the SAH show!!!!😂
@@DevHazy I would LOVE Stassi to be on SAH. I personally am not a fan of Kristen but if they want instant drama they could bring her over.
@@EmmWar but James Mae is hilarious
Nick underestimates how much Ariana means (and has meant) to the female viewers. The only reason Scandoval was on CNN was because of how mad we were that the girl we loved and respected got screwed over. Lala is a gold digger and Schena is a pick-me girl. We'll watch them, but we don't care about them.