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- Germany's ageing population and shrinking birth rate means it is increasingly looking to immigration to fill jobs. At the end of last year, 350-thousand people from non-EU countries were registered in Germany, seeking work. And the number of qualified migrants in the country is also on the rise.
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Let me stop you right there. Germany wants cheaper workers, not skilled ones.
Sure. However, from the video and general situation in business, they want skilled workers too, and that is where they are coming unstuck. Plenty of cheap labour everywhere. The fight is for the ones of higher quality output.
No, we don't want cheaper workers. We need workers, period. It's not about the money.
@@DeepJieselit is about money, you need workers to keep wages low. They want cheap, skilled workers
@@BrightWendigo If you say so. It's funny how people who are neither German nor live here always have such a crystal clear picture of Germany.
@@DeepJiesel it’s the same demographic issues as every industrialized western country, wdym? Germany’s is just particularly bad. Ofcourse everyone is familiar with them.
The problem is all the first world countries are looking for skilled immigrants and most of the professionals prefer english speaking countries to move.
If more German employers would be comfortable with English in the workplace, more skilled immigrants would come to Germany. It's riddiculous how hard it is for a non-German-speaker to find a job in Germany only because of the language...
@@IceQueenaliasIQ its crazy that in Germany you need to speak German. GERMANY FOR GERMANS! EVERYONE ELSE OUT!
@@covfefe1787 if no new immigrants come, the pension system will collapse in the long run. Germany is doomed because of the good healthcare there will be to much old people to handle. And the old people will vote for more conservative / right wing policies which will reduce the influx of immigrants further more.
they will then have to get rid of pensioners as well or reduce their pensions by 90 percent@@covfefe1787
When people talk about "skilled" vs "unskilled" immigrants is they forget that people tend to go from unskilled to skilled throughout their careers.
Is there a shortage of skilled German labor or is there a shortage of skilled German labor, willing to work for peanuts?
Add to that sky high taxes, rampant discrimination, passive aggressive work culture, social exclusion, bureaucracy.
Around 75% tax rate (effectively after adding everything) - so not many are keen on doing overtime.
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@@MetallicReg Even the marginal tax rate is sky high. E.g. Someone with 5500 before tax monthly salary changes to another one with 5600, i.e. 100 Euro gross salary increase, his net increase would be paltry 32 Euro. Rest goes in Government's pocket.
@@val-schaeffer1117 And that before counting in the inflation in the same period of that raise.
Plus we have one of the higher VATs with everything costing 19% more in combination with high import taxes from abroad. So when inflation sets in - these percentages have an even higher impact.
Plus many forget that the main insurances (incl. the mandatory health insurance) work on percentages of the income - meaning they will rise.
If you work overtime in Germany, the state slaps you with such a tax that it is absolutely not worth it
It’s like in France too, because there the people work for the Government not for themselves and their families
I'd advise anyone watching this to avoid Germany, you'll be treated with distain by the rude locals, you will be kept down and never promoted, and the salary considering taxes is not exactly stellar either. They don't want you, they want just your labor and your taxes.
absolutele bang on! I never felt different than what you described in the last 6 years, despite working in tech industry. I got yelled at, stared at, looked down and ignored on many occasions. the response? got gaslit instead. fingers pointed back at me that it's all my fault. while I lived in other countries too, so I can compare.
Oops forgot the language
Stop splitting factos
If they don’t want you, why don’t you consider leaving? That is always an option for anyone (with the freedom to act and behave) not comfortable with any place on earth.
That is just the German people telling you they do not approve the decisions of their government. They're still in control of their country. That's good. Gotta set boundaries.
I‘m a Thai nurse and just moved to Germany and so far I‘ve learnt is that Germany isn‘t as good as what I imagined, if the tax is still this high (which makes me have the money after tax just like as I was working in Thailand) I don‘t think this will attract me to stay longer, because working hours is as crazy as Thailand, they don‘t pay me overtime and say that i would have days off instead (which i still don‘t understand the system or how it works), cold asf, everything is expensive, crazy taxes 😢 i ran away from Thailand not to be in somewhere worse if you know what i mean, and working here as a nurse is more likely to be a maid or something, i don’t get to do my nurse job here, i miss the needles. Btw comment and advices are welcome
😂
I totally understand you. The tax is very high.
That's terrible & sad. You were hired as a nurse & yet they don't treat you as a professional nurse but some glorified hospital cleaning assistant & porter.
Wer hat dir denn versprochen, das Deutschland das Land mit Milch und Honig ist? Frage ich mich immer wieder....
Germany sucks. Would never think of moving there.
The government says we need more workers from abroad, but doesn't cater to those who are already in Germany looking for a job.
Exactly, but when you own your own bussiness you can have cheap labor and thats cool too
Wrong qualifications
@@NeoShameMan yep, no German language skills lol
Are those people willing to scrub toilets and tend the fields?
Who dafuq are looking for a job in Germany? The unemployment rate is like 4%.
Germany can't compete with English speaking countries in tech sector. Language barrier will be a big bummer for foreign talent apart from not so competitive salaries.
German racism too
People are willing to learn new language if they don't have to worry about discrimination and racism
Germans aren't capable to compete with USA, neither China
I personally don't experience racism. The language is very difficult to learn and use straightaway.
Germany needs to change their policy, Germany has thousands of unemployed immigrants some of them are skilled, some are not but they can work at some factors. Just because they are Asylum secker..
@@baha3alshamari152it’s not racism it’s tribalism
I don’t know…
I’m a software engineer in robotics and studied mechatronics up until masters degree. I’m German.
It’s quite hard to find a job, especially when it comes to fair salaries. Same applies for many of my fellow students and I also know a bunch of European students from my semesters abroad that struggle to find jobs. All highly skilled, some of them (like me) with previous work experience.
for such very high skills,
collaboration with colleagues for entrepreneurship might be your best bet,
(while you manage a not so fair salary)
I guess there are a Ton of EU & German grants that could help,
you could develop an idea/company that can be acquired in the future,
i might be wrong but Germany probably looks like it mostly needs Low-Med skilled workers for the most part ?
and afterall ...SMEs represent 99.4% of all businesses in Germany,
why you study that shid in the first place when theres no job in the region that you wanna live in. you guys can found your own company i guess
You are not alone. In my country it the same, they dun need well trained locals. They just want cheaper labour force esp from South Asia who is willing to work for a fraction of the same salary and steal the local the fair salary
Yes, I am a biomedical engineer from India, doing my masters here
It's a lie that they have a lot of job opportunities for expats from allover the world
There are like a zillion open positions and the unemployment rate is at the historic low. There is literally no one left to hire (that bad).🤣
My classmate moved to Germany as a Systems Engineer early last year. He died in just 4 months due to a health issue that could be handled with ease in Kenya. All that glitters isn't gold. As a software engineer, I prefer working remotely while living in Kenya. I understand that immigration still works well for many.
I just returned from Safari and I did it via a local agency in Nairobi. My guide is a accountant and would also want to move to Germany. I advised him to exactly find a remote job and work for a German company and to stay in Nairobi: lower costs of living, better weather, better food.
@@johnofdebar4071 I hope you enjoyed it here.
I worked in Germany for 3 years and the bureaucracy and taxes for everything were a nightmare. I moved to Canada and after 6 years, I bought a House. In Germany was impossible to dream that.
How many years ago and in which part of Canada? now in almost all areas of Canada the prices are crazily rising
True !
48 % income tax for being single with no kids....WTF ?
I was lucky to be able to pay my rent, and no food available because the stores close at 7.30 pm.
@@Elo-hv3fwWhen I worked there, the markets closed at 6pm. I would push all the old ladies out of the way just to buy a box of cookies. Fun times 😂
@@geranienbaum too late...I am gone.
@@Elo-hv3fwsucks for you, Germany is better .
Strongly advising white collar job holders from moving to Germany. Too much of importance is given to the language even for IT jobs. Poland/Netherlands/Hungary and many more European countries does not force their IT work force to learn their language.
In Germany, most IT projects have international teams with English as project language. Not to worry.
@@HolgerJakobs I am talking about mid sized to small IT companies. Not companies like Amazon or Intel which operates from inside Germany.
@@seshadrir2057 If you're a Software engineer don't go to Germany even in South Asia countries like India pay is better than what Germany is offering after taxes, Always work for an American company
Yes,I agree on the points here. IT engineers please don't come to Germany. The advertisements job seeker VISA all is a facade to extract more money for government. You will be asked to learn German C1 B2 level fluency just to get interviews. Even international companies ( which are very few anyway) have started asking both English and German. Not worth the hassle. And the salaries are very poor when compared to other countries.
@babainindia China, Japan, Hungary, Poland, Netherlands, Scandinavian countries noones forcing their international IT workforce to learn their languages. They all know English is the future.
The way I get it, attracting and importing enough skilled workers is not the only challenge for Germany anymore. It is also keeping the well-educated working age population in the country (by keeping them happy with good enough pay and reasonable taxes). As it seems, talent is fleeing Germany at a concerning rate. So, there is a double challenge. And when the demographics are combined with the country’s pension and tax system, the problem looks unsolvable. On top of that, there is also the cultural aspect of things, namely the language barrier in companies and especially in bureaucracy.
Well, that's how German socialism works
@@alexlitvin1297 Their form of delivering equality is everyone being equally worse off. At working class level, the difference between the welfare handouts and net salary for full time employment is nearly ZERO.
Not having cheap russian energy resources also doesn't help
Where are they going?
...they are leaving bisigothiland + going where?
Considering IT vacancies in DE (there are many of them as a matter of fact) and my personal experience with finding a job, I could say that you must not only have a very high level of German but you have TO BE German. And that is the problem, they don't have young people in the country, but also don't want to hire a foreigner.
I wanted to study IT sadly couldn't get one and my uncle working at IT more than 13 years
Very true! As someone who live here in Germany
Same applies to Norway
I know people from Turkiye and Brazil who work in IT in Germany. Neither speaks German. However, they had the qualifications and experience the companies were looking for.
@@daylightmoon7285 Yes, you know both of them. Eh? Except few short term Indian IT onsite, I have rarely encountered foreigners in corporate Germany, let alone without being able to speak German.
If you're a professional with skills = GO to Australia, UK, Canada, or any country English speaking you'll be treated better
If you have no professional skills yet and want good social benefits = Go to Germany or Scandinavia 😂😂😂😂
Not for long. The social system is crashing hard - exactly because of your equation.
@@MetallicReg I blame nobody but the German government and bureaucracy and extreme hostility to foreigners.
Exactly, that is well put 😅😅
Germany needs more Germans, so Does Scandinavia more Scandinavians, Netherlands more Dutch, and so on... you cant change your whole identity, culture and people just for surviving a couple of decades more as a economy...@@crypticTV
Well that kind of happens because germany refuses to speak english.
"Sorry, the next available appointment at the Ausländeramt is 3 months from now" 💀
I heard that outside of megapolises and big centers, situation with availability of bureaucracy is better.
@@vadimzhdanov3246 there aren’t any Megalopolis in Germany. Berlin is by far the biggest city and it’s 3.5 million. Not exactly massive. But yeah, I’ve been waiting 10 months for an appointment for a (non-urgent) visa issue..
1 year in some cases
actually: at least a year from now!
I have 2 years here what i can say about Germany is that they want Skilled Slaves not workers, If you have a better opinion then don't go to Germany not worth the stress and Ausländerbehörde Drama
Yeah the ausländerbehörde treats immigrants so bad
eshte bere keq e?? mua sme ka pelqyer asnjeher gjermania
Language is the barrier to find a job and yes if you are going to a country you must learn their language that's how you integrate. But for international students spending huge money in learning a language is not easy. Here if Germany wants to attract people the companies should offer them the German classes compulsory along with the job for 2 years that's how the educated students will learn the language without having financial issues and German employers will get employee who speaks multiple languages
Very practical solution, if they truly wanted to hire you though....
In the end, it's all a sham
I thought that already happened.
Exactly well said! If you’re not even looking at our applications just because of the language then what’s the purpose? German companies should be little open minded come on it’s 2024 give us an opportunity we are ready to learn the language don’t give us financial stress
Jesus, noo! In Germany, they have been looking for Syrian engineers and skilled workers for 8 years, but they are not found. Yet recently a leading politician said engineers and skilled workers had arrived.
80% of the Syrians admitted en masse have not been integrated into the labour market. They are making children, the question is who will support them if their parents and other family members are not working?
When I hear a politician say that well-educated immigrants are coming, I know that it will cost working people a lot.
That's not true, especially syrians integrated in the workforce very good. There is no bigger construction site without syrians anymore. They're also big in restaurant business.
There's a reason for that. The Syrian higher education system is mostly Arabic medium & Arabic centric.
So you graduate with a degree in math or computer science but your technical knowledge of English is so bad because you studied those fully in Arabic, limiting your job opportunities.
I met Syrian mathematicians, dentists & town planners in KSA in the 2010s. I was teaching them English. It was very difficult for them. I can imagine it's the same problem when they came to Germany like that as well.
Maybe of lack of intercultural competence from the German side???
Germany got few years ago 2 million young doctors and engineers from Syria. What happened?
This story does not discuss the background narrative which is about continued economic growth using low wage offshore workers. Nowhere on this planet needs more people, in fact, we need less material throughput and waste outputs. This means less production and less people consuming and polluting.
Turkish guy here. When I was trying to make a choice on where to go, Germany was of course on my mind. But I honestly think there is a ticking time bomb in German politics. One of those days it will blow up and hurt me the most, being one of the "undesirable" ethnic groups. So I decided not to try to settle there and went to Canada instead.
Yes, I get that. You're being forward thinking.
Smart decision. I wasted 2 years working there before realising my mistake and starting again elsewhere. Much happier now. DE’s infrastructure is great but the people are miserable and opportunistic. They will drag you into the abyss with them and incredibly fast too.
Immigration is not a problem. Illegal immigration and crime are the real problem.
Legal and illegal are just words. Give everyone a residence permit and the "problem" is solved. People come here to build a new life, to start a family. They _want_ to work. We have more than enough work. Where is the problem? In these two words: legal and illegal. Those who commit crimes can (and should!) be deported anyway, no matter why and how and from where and when and with what documents they came. And whether it was "legal" or "illegal".
Immigration is a massive problem if you want to retain your identity and if you import the wrong kind of immigrants.
I think AfD didn't get the memo. Also not sure about CDU/CSU...
@@hape3862when you do all the paperwork and follow all the rules so you can stay in an european country, then it pains to see how much illegal immigrants damage a country. They are not even being deported when caught by police for a crime....
What if everything is made legal? All influx and any numbers? You're saying that an arbitrary distinction is all that matters.
I remember in Germany to avoid the the lack of the computer scientists ( Informatiker ) the government want to look for them from India because of the English language but during the election the conservative parties ( CDU/ CSU or more right now AFD ) have trumpeted this slogan : unser Kinder statt die Inder.
And why is it bad? Arent there already too many Indian people everywhere?
Unsere Kinder statt die Inder❤ because immigrants aren't elegants😮 a Friend in need is a friend indeed 😂
Industrial engineer with over 18 years of work experience one year without a job. B2 lvl German and yet nothing. I really cannot agree with the statement that skill workers are missing. It is payment and discrimination.
Exactly, Germany wants are
1) Instant and plug-and-play skill in a hyperspecialised sub-sub-sub sector (little to no value for academic degree)
2) Business fluent German knowledge
3) cheap wage expectations
4) Thick skin to tolerate rude and passive aggressive behaviour, on a daily basis
5) Never complain about discrimination
In Germany you work for their pension system. Pay in, get nothing out is moto of Germany
Not true. The image Germany is portraying out there is so different from the reality!
Exactly. The xenophobia and racism are real issues. And it projects an image of liberal Utopia.
I graduated seven months ago still unable to get a job. Where are the jobs ? All the employers needs candidates with C2.
your profession what
What’s your profession?
My profession is health related. I dont think @@Fred-zx3qb Germany needs health care professionals
Germany is also struggling to retain the qualified professionals who have already come in. It’s difficult to work with Germans. They expect everything to be perfect and complain a lot. So many professionals get tired after few years and then move out!
Germany has a lot to improve to be more friendly to foreigners. I struggle with the bureaucracy (all in German) and health services. This week i needed to call health line 116117 but couldn’t understand the subsequent audios. When I managed to get by taxi to the Emergency, I was very superficially examined and the weak medication prescribed depended on an Inhaler that the Pharmacy denied to sell without a prescription. Who needs prescription to but a home basic inhaler? They said at the hospital that only the Hausarzt could prescribe it. The excess of control is insane. Thankfully I found home medication I brought from my country.
Pharmacies closing soon before 7 pm.
It has a reason. The emergency is not for treatment of non threatening conditions. They purposely don't try to cut into the sphere of the general practitioner that usually knows you and your prescriptions much better and takes more time.
So they examined you and confirmed that there wasn't any emergency + wrote a recommendation for the general practitioner to look if you need an inhaler.
He will decide. Also keep in mind that everything is free - only as long as the necessity is confirmed to the insurer.
Why'd you go to the emergency room for a non-emergency? Don't do that. Thanks.
First of all Germany is in a limbo with itself and it won’t work until they fix themselves first and I agree with everything you said.
Yes, German tax is very high.
But their SOCIAL SERVICE is top notch.
Free health care, free education etc
The state creates these laws to find cheap labour, imagine Saudi Arabia with its trapped servants,but it's cold and the taxes are 40% higher.
This is like a bubble discussion... let's talk about the net income after housing the one and only relevant fact. I left Germany years ago and my life quality increased significantly while the cost of living went down. The german Government, laws and regulations are pure poison for the german speaking area (and I'm a native and don't give a sh.. about them).
Atleast in UAE there's no tax😂
@@mrechbreger After taxes (42%), the average salary in Germany in 2022 stood at around €28,570 per annum and €2,380 per month.
A family of four estimated monthly costs are 3,518.8$ (3,221.7€) without rent. A single person estimated monthly costs are 1,042.2$ (954.2€) without rent.
The average cost of a room in a shared apartment in Germany is between €300 and €800 per month.
Some countries force their citizens to pay taxes while the earn abroad.
@@ElonHusky Lol, my bad!🤦♂️😂
@@B-I-G-N-A-S-T-Y you forget about one thing here, VAT 19% you are still paying that. Then we have electricity tax 75% then we have fuel tax 50% then if you want to buy a house you have to pay another 3-7% tax... the money is shrinking drastically. Germany is a tax heaven. And all the regulations you are not even allowed to do whatever you want in Germany you will require some proof of education / training (Befähigungsnachweis). Where I live now I do multiple things where I'd need a Befähigungsnachweis in Germany - but no one cares where I am in eastern Asia.
Then what you can expect for retirement is like 40% ... forget it.
Germany is okay as tourist --- but no further.
Don't come here, if you do not want to be taken advantage of.
I love the German language, but it is hard to learn well.
Try Polish or Japanese. There are easier.
@@robertab929Speaking and understanding Japanese is easy.Took me 4 months to be conversational in Japanese. However reading and writing is difficult. Thats what makes Japanese difficult.
@@robertab929 Polish and Japanese are not the official languages of Germany. Lol
@@shiptj01 The implication is that he should look into immigrating to Poland or Japan.
I'm just saying that most skilled foreigners are educated in English or French, but German is such a weird language when compared with those two. It will be hard to find skilled foreign workers who are fluent in German.
The biggest problem is expecting the experts coming to Germany and spending their time to learn German instead of learning new technologies of their profession.
Changing the way of thinking to the immigrants would be the solution, the host society should accept the international people with international language instead of forcing them to learn the local language.
For what? Most of the locals don't speak the "international language." And people will be dealing with them a lot.
Doctors obviously go through their language certification and I find Indian doctors learning the language well. Doctors only complaint is paper work and more complex rules. They spend more time doing that and it drains their energy. For doctors it’s fine.
@@geranienbaum then hire local doctors, Don't ask others to come to your country
Ask your government to stop advertising for skilled labor if you don't want non German speakers. In the ads no one mentions language as one of the required skills. So you r fooling the skilled labor who can be happy elsewhere
Without German language, there's no German.
Importing skilled workers from overseas is a strategic move that proves highly beneficial for Germany. Investing substantial funds to train a domestic workforce can be resource-intensive. Foreign skilled workers, akin to a ready-made gift, streamline the process. However, challenges like cultural barriers, language differences, and high taxation often divert these professionals towards English-speaking countries. Having worked as an Automation engineer in Germany for four years, I am now exploring career opportunities in the USA. The perceived limitations of low salary scales and high taxation have influenced my decision, despite being a naturalized German citizen.
Problem with west is that they are ot getting married and having children. West needs to change its culture and return back to normal family culture. No one is telling you to have 20 kids . 2 are enough but have a normal family structure
The criminal rates in Germany get higher. Maybe the police should care more for this.
Just spent 1 year to get a residence permit card for Austria and I have a PhD. I took a paycut to have a permanent job that's becoming a rarity in today's world and affects immigrants the most. The whole process was ridiculous and the challenges remain even after arriving. They want international talent who now should spend time in their 30s to learn German. I see that Germany is the same.
Yeah the funniest part is when they describe their company as international, in a fully german job post
My struggle too is to find a job in Austria because of the language reason. What you described is accurate
@@MsMinoula😂😂 very true
With the ridiculous salaries German companies pay to their so called skilled labor, I don't see any good reasons to move to Germany. India offers better opportunities
Yup
Here in Bangladesh we have to wait almost 20 months for getting an appointment for German visa. This is really frustrating
Why dont stay in your country and fight for improving it?
@@ControlledChaos-rk5tk
Bangladesh is over populated country more population less job, German need skill worker and we need good work environment with decent salary. Thats like e give and take situation.
What about real diversity of people? which implies going to germany and seeing real germans.. keeping their culture, people, tradition, mentality, etc... otherwise Germany will become just another Bangladesh@@sheikhnishad2043
All of these viewpoints are meaningless given how EU is getting extremely antiimmigration, even towards highskilled workers.
Only two countries
you need to understand that this is mostly based on bad experiences. They allowed all, burned their skin, now they want to ban all… and problem is illegal immigration rather then what you experience
All over Europe racism is common, too much sugar coating is done in this report. Things are very different on the ground
Illegal immigration, regular is fine although many are tired of companies prefering to hire foreigners to cut down salaries
im very confused. they dont want immigrants but also need immigrants. as long as you allowed law-abiding immigrants, i think u all fine
dont belive everything
Depends what you watch....if you ask the people...normal regular people...they are against....if you ask CEO's, government, DW leftistic media, and ofc immigrants that want to leech of the system...you get a different story...but the gravy train is ending.
We are not interested in people who do not want anything to do with us or who do not want to live in the society we have made (a particular religion). We have no work for people who can barely read and write.
They want manpower.
Don't confuse
and cheap manpower, unfortunately
Depending on where you come from, you might never feel part of the society here, partly because of the culture and partly because of the rising hostility against immigrants. The chances are high that you will be paid a low salary just enough to fulfill your financial obligations. If you are doing good where you are and you have your family next to you, stay there..
@geranienbaum What is your definition of skilled? Are there not enough 'skilled' minimum wage people in Germany?
100% agreed. As long as you have decent job, family with you there’s no point seeking job overseas. Stress of having hostile environment doesn’t do good to your wellbeing.
@geranienbaum it is clear that a skilled worker will not get paid minimum wage. But still, try to meet all your financial obligations towards your household and family with a single average salary. This model will not work for someone who came to save some money to take back home or to maintain a high living standard.
@geranienbaum So why aren't Germans taking those roles then? Why the need for immigration?
Not true for doctors they got so many discrepancies in the system that just to get the permission to write an exam depends on your paperwork and country of origin too at times. And sometimes they deny after the doctor has acquired B2/C1 language proficiency that he can't get recognized in Germany.
Since 9 years I am working as engineer, after 8 years I could apply for the citizenship and still no answer and my dual citizenship is not accepted.
My advise, if you want to immigrate, avoid Europe; you will never be equal there, and life is very hard. Think of Canada, New Zealand, or Australia.
It’s really difficult to enter in New Zeland or Australia.
Australia/New Zealand cost of living is extremely high
Speaking as an Australian living in Perth, the rental market is fairly tough at the moment, as we took in too many international students in the last few years along with the effects of people relocating back home due to Covid. I'm in Perth and it's giving me second thoughts on relocating to Melbourne to further my career due to how diabolical it is to find a place over there right now.
Life in Canada sucks, bad weather in general, super long distances to travel anywhere and the only affordable cities have -40 degrees in winter
Bad advise europe has kot of great places and I have been living here as an immigrant so I know only problem is burocracy and language
I am an German of Indian origin. Let me tell you the fact. The people dont want immigrants yet the government wants cheap labour. It is highly unwelcoming and the inflation drives me crazy. I am in process of leaving the country once for all and never come back
Germany is not the best place to work for a highly qualified foreign person because of bureaucracy,high taxes 40%, far right problems, language.... Etc
Seems like most of the developed world is having problems with their respective “far right” these days.
far right problems? what are you on about?
racisms@@CroElectroStile
Here in Australia, there is a LOT of shortage in labor, more ACUTE are in construction, and agriculture, with record employment in it's HIGH, many Aussies are becoming more choosy in their job, more employers are complaining about labor shortage, the Australian Government is looking for talents overseas, particularly in Asia, where there is also a problem of SHRINKING population.
Make your country family-friendly by paying living salaries, affordable housing, and kindergartens. Stop "stealing", skilled and educated people from poor developing countries.
So, is it really that they cannot find skilled workers, or they cannot find skilled workers at the salary level they wish to pay them?
Their economy is crashing so fast that soon they will have no problem with workers.😂😂😂
German salaries are among the worst in OECD for the productivity demand for a specific job. Add to that sky high tax and social security contribution. E.g. a technical architect working for Oracle in Houston would get salaries in range of 200,000 USD p.a., whereas his equivalent with a tertiary degree in CS from major German Technische Universitäten, would command 62,000 EUR before tax, transpirng into a paltry 3000 Euro per month after all deductions, that too in an expensive city like Munich or Hamburg. From Europe, only Switzerland can match urban US skilled job salaries (even London and Luxembourg would be far behind).
PS: German median wealth ownership is worse than Malta and Slovenia, and at par with Greece and Portugal.
True
Another Problem is that german Culture is boring. Shops, Cafés and Bars close early, there are too few Young People and its hard to make German friends
Most of Europe is ageing. At least Germany is doing something about it. But it competes with the US, Canada, etc, where readiness and easiness of life is compatible with Asian upbringing. Language, services such as banks, easiness to drive, etc become the daily deciding factor. On top of that, the mammoth difference in salaries of the US and Germany is definitely a deterrent. If Germany does want to attract workers, it needs to ape the good things that people expect out of life and promote it in the existing population.
Not gonna happen. Socialism is entrenched there.
There is nothing wrong with legal, orderly immigration which means striving for full assimilation into German society. However, It is wrong to start with the assumption that every immigrant has to have a permanent status. Look at the UAE. Out of every 10 residents, 9 are foreign workers. Only 1 in 10 is an Emirati. The 90% workers are given a contract and temporary resideny. Nobody expects or is promised citizenship. It's not necessary to make them citizens to work in the country. In the case of Germany, it is OK to allow some people to become citizens but this will only work if the newcomer is willing to fully integrate into German society and become German. It will not work if the newcomer doesn't want to integrate and they still want to live like "back home." Then, their status should stay "temporary guest worker." In immigrant countries, such as the US, Argentina, Brazil, etc, we approach immigration from the idea that the goal is full integration and assimilation. Words like "diversity" and "parallel cultures" are not part of the program. Diversity programs keep people foreign, makees them outsiders, and interferes with their integration into the society.
Good report. So often in english-speaking countries these types of reports become sensationalistic and emotional, this was level-headed and well done.
I moved to Germany as an engineer, work mostly in english in a team of 80% non-germans and this project would be much harder to do with less immigration. Our team is somewhat supported in learning german which is very very important and those who want to learn can. I myself will go for C1 next year.
I tell others you do have to expect lower pay compared to other many other countries but the living conditions are typically much better.
Win win approach works for everyone. Good to see a more positive approach
@DW, try to interview or find perspective from doctors who came for opportunities to Germany, this would be a good fit for us to understand what is good and bad.
Why is no government policy to increase birth rate of native german population?
Germany is a lost country. It looks like you will be unwelcome in your own country one day.
We support children a lot. Every child gets 250€ per month, plus tax reduction on income tax. Child care has to be paid for in part, the last year before school is free (age 5). No tuition for any kind of school. Parents pay less for care insurance, health care for children is completely free. Still, the birth rate is low.
And even if it magically skyrocketed today, it wouldn't solve our problems. It would take too long until newly borns today reach the job market and we wouldn't have enough schools and teachers for educating them.
There is. Germans are infertile
Because no government in the world succeeded at increasing birth rates
There's no policy that can do it
You can't make people have more children no matter what
@@HolgerJakobs Ok, everything is cool, but you didn't mention many problems regarding raising children in DE (probably you don't have any), such as finding a kindergarten place or even a child doctor nearby, especially in big cities like Hamburg, Munich etc. It's almost impossible to find a flat for rent and the cost of living is too high. Overall, I think Germany isn't a good place to raise children, you support children a lot, as you claim, but maybe not enough and unfortunately no one bothers trying to solve the problems I mentioned above.
The real treasure of any journey lies not just in the sight you see but in the connection you make and the worth of the welcome you receive from the people living in the land because once the citizens accept,welcome you then the language is a bonus for you
This is partially true. Germany still put lot of constraint and pain even for very high skill people who applied for JSV especially from India.
Plzz work in India
Nothing should be above respect
Why Germany need to hire candidates from other countries? What about the students who completed their studies here and waiting for an opportunity to start their career...
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I hope others can have a good life in Germany, I lived in Germany but I couldn't adopt with the German culture and I get lonely and depressed and I just left there and came to Canada and I'm happy since arrive.
But I have to mention that Germany has a best transport and free education which here is sucks.
Canada is more expensive to live but the different is just the people here is more friendly and happy.
I have some friends in Germany which lived there for 7 or 10 years and quite happy, it's just my story which I told, about German people I could say it's not easy to connect with them but they are not bad people, they just want to live alone and mostly with the people which they know from past and it's not really logical for people in Germany that you start chatting middle of street and then going for eating and get know each other which is so familiar for Asian and middle eastern nation.
I admire and respect German people that's why I decided to go there and live there. Peace
One of the Pros as said by soo called experts for considering Germany for employment is Work Life Balance. On the other hand people in Germany are working part time to look after their family as one of the reasons to work part time.
Wunderbar 😂
All lie there are germans who are highly skilled but company don’t hire them because they are expensive. Immigrants from india are cheap
Thank you for this honest documentary....
US salaries are much more attractive and H1B visa process is easier
US is harsh for indians and Chinese as well, beside someone is super rich, they never ever is able to get a status in the US in their lifetime atm, no joke
higher but you will proabaly work longer hours and will have a more expensive life regarding rent , healthcare...
@@jokbok995 it's still better than ppl who lives in india and china
Germany is not attractive at all for Software Engineers: high taxes, high costs, new language to learn from scratch, bad weather, cold people...
P.S: As a software Engineer you will remain at the end of the month with more money in your pocket in Romania than in Germany. Netto salaries are almost similar in Romania and Germany already.
u living in Romania ?
@@NawazKhan-ui6eo I lived in both countries, Romania and in Germany and came to conclusion that Romania is better as a country for Software Engineers and for other high qualified specialists.
I am from Poland. Few year ago like in 2004-2010 Germany was attractive country for work but now I prefer to stay in Poland. Germany became popular for people from Asia or Africa but not for Eastern Europeans.
why isn't it popular among "eastern Europeans"?
People from Asia don't want to go to Germany because they don't speak English
African in Germany are less than 0.4% of German population there are 2 Million Ukrainian in Germany now
Nobody has to move anywhere! Remote office facilities anywhere in the World enable communication instantly. True, needed Management is necessary for communication concerning projects when needed as well as Team Meetings, but to meet demand locally?? Outside of digging a ditch, why?
Germany need cheap immigrants with good German, proper diploma, Ausbildung and ready to work till pension without salary rise 😅
Why are these incentives always aimed at non-EU countries? I imagine that trying to convince an EU citizen to come and work in Germany would be much more preferable due to less bureaucratic overhead (e.g. no Visa related problems)
I don't understand either. Tons of qualified EU skilled workers are already available.
What's the point of hiring non EU workers to pay them less & drive wages down; then in the future as their numbers go up politicians use them as scapegoats for anti-immigration, demographics change etc
Wage dumping. And non-EU candidates do not have flexibility to change employer and hence can be milked for longer. A Polish programmer might move to a better employer.
The companies hiring them are mostly middle rung unknown ones, not Microsoft, Google, PWC, Goldman Sachs.
Well, most EU workers are not willing to leave their countries. The issue on ground is not just peculiar to Germany, other EU countries are facing same and are systematically doing their best to prevent people leaving, say for Germany. Non-EU is the surest alternative
@@iamDejaray1 " most EU workers are not willing to leave their countries." - Bonker. German themselves are largest foreigner group in Switzerland, second largest in Denmark, 5th largest in UK (and largest from non-Commonwealth).
You are just trying to justify your presence in Europe.
BC other EU countries are going through the same issue.
This seems to be a problem associated with high levels of development and increased cost of living. Japan and now South Korea is facing the same issue. It's truly a first world problem. People can't afford to have kids
Germany demographics are still better than Japan and south Korea
exactly even China facing the same problem, a shrinking and aging population problem
@@kenyup7936 it's not a shrinking population problem, it's a capitalism problem.
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It always looks greener on the other side until you get there
I've been wanting to move to Germany and live there, but it doesn't seem my qualifications are good for it
It didn't answer the question as to why ethnic Germans feel the way they do about themselves and about foreign workers. Is there a disinterest in having children so much for so long? Or is it an expensive idea to have families? Is it because foreign workers are cheaper to hire anyways? ? These are big questions.
@@hyperadaptedSame applies to most highly developed European countries.
@@hyperadapted 'rather low take home salary' I believe this needs more definition. Here in Athens we need a whole average salary, minimum, to rent a family house. Roughly, this means a little over 1000 for rent and less than that for all other expenses. And unfortunately most young people do not make this much.
@@hyperadapted Yeah and I am not comparing, just giving you an example of how I would explain to outsiders why it is difficult to have a family where I live. So what I understand is that it's that germans cannot afford a baby or two, more like there are other financial contraints and uncertainties that inhibit the decision of starting a family.
After the pandemic most of the skilled jobs (Except for Factory work) can be done remotely. Most software work, design work using computers, O&M of computerized machinery, Telecom etc can be done remotely. I know many people who are employed by EU companies and work from their home country. Its a win win for both. Usually whatever the EU companies pay is more than what they get locally which puts them at a better position in their home country and the EU company does not have to go through immigration/accommodation and usually pay a little less than what they pay if the person was in EU.
but they won't pay taxes
As an engineer from the EU I receive different offers from german companies, but they all insist on learning german or even expect me to already speak it if I were to move there. Of course I'm not accepting any of those since it makes no sense to invest years in learning a new language when I can simply invest that time into perfecting my technical skills and get a better salary.
In my case I moved to another country where they accept english.
Germany really needs to drop the language requirements, offer better salaries (relative to the cost of living) or tax exemptions to incoming skilled labour and fix the housing market. Otherwise they're doomed to a steady decline like it's already happening, and that is perfectly fine if they choose to. Can't compete with the Benelux/Scandinavian countries, let alone the USA.
As a politician said about the age pyramid problem. Its a temporary problem.
There is no labour shortage. The only shortage I see is the lack of quality Employers paying fairly and offering training to their employees.
They don’t want to invest in employees - so they are looking for cheap ones that were already trained abroad.
The truth is: huge immigration is hurting the job market and local workers - while companies benefit from underpaid employees…
I think it's a low skill labour shortage, especially in care homes, hospitals etc...
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When people in the future ask, what happened to Germany, others can answer the leaders gave it away to strangers for profits.
What an invalid argument. This is happening to most western nations, there is too many old people and not enough young people. Germany needs immigrants to survive and thrive.
i agree
How else should the government pay old people's pension?
This is the fate of any aging population that wants to sustain it's economy: bring immigrants in, or motivate younger folks to have kids.
What is the alternative?? Close the Border and in 30 years 50% of germans will be pensioners over 60 years old
@@Yuyayayu872 a state that can not sustain itself will not remain long. The laws of nature apply in economics, regardless of what the intelligencia say...
*This video pretty much sums up why our phones and computers are filled with the software products from the American companies.*
What was that photoshoot in the beginning
Here in England, mass uncontrolled immigration is destabilising society. Any society which loses its social cohesion and sense of identity is on the road to perdition. Unlike GDP, social cohesion cannot be quantified or measured. In medical terms one could say that the operation was a great success but the patient died.
imo no way for me as Chinese to UK, british English is way difficult to understand like they say interesting mean negative , someone is weird, it's so hard to understand , and we facing cultrual barriers, you know british like polite, any directly way means someone is brutal rude , it's so hard for me being polite as Chinese,we used to directly not a indirectly way, no offense
England has a serious advantage because of English language. trust me this is a serious advantage
Whole episode in short: Only very slight changes in laws paired with cute little stories about some workers, who were lucky to find some jobs with less than fair salary. Thank me later
Bro are they restricting immigration or making immigration easier?
Bunch of hypocrites, today they want to deport and tomorrow they are crying labour shortage
At the same time, the German Embassy in Bangladesh is slowing down the visa process day by day. At the moment, family reunion visa process takes 2 years.
As a skilled worker in Germany, this is hampering my performance.
I’ve heard about the long visa processing process in Germany, it doesn’t make sense when Germany has a shortage of skilled workers. What do you work as in Germany?
This is the problem, if u are on a visa dont expect to bring your family, if u wanna become a citizen thats fine but dont expect to just get it. We are having massive problems getting ppl to intergrate as it is.
Most ppl eu countries dont even understand why we need to take in a whole family cause one person works within the e.u
If I got a job in Canada i would move not my entire family
@@nenasiek because u believe in individualism n dont understand a family bond, for many, life is not life if u can not share with ur loved ones
@@NawazKhan-ui6eo if u wanna live in another country u intergrate, I would do the same if I moved
@@NawazKhan-ui6eo What does a nation care for family bonds? Will your family work once they "move in" with you? They likely won't. Will they learn the language? Also unlikely. Statistics show these "family reunions" are always for the worse, because they'll also drain the taxpayers as they'll never be able to finance themselves.
There are a lot of people from poor countries looking for job, but consider their religious background which is in conflict with the values of Germany
True, it is sad Germany will end up being replaced by people from India, Africa, Arab world, Asian countries :/
Tax burden very high. Housing expensive. Salary low and often companies offer a job for that y don’t need a study. If y are still young
Germany: The worst place to be an immigrant
I am from Slovakia, lets say I wanna work in Germany. I found only 111 working position avaliable in Germany! I searched on main job search site in Slovakia.
How many choices do you need? 200? 2000? You can work only one job anyway. Take it or leave it.
Try to search on main job site in Germany 😉
Why do you wannt to work in Germany? I have heard Slovakia is a developed nation. In India, many of our people are greedy, they run away because Germans or west pay them more ,they don't care about their motherland ,I wonder why does a Slovakian want to do that?
@pritsingh9766 the is huge wealth gap in Europe many germans go to Switzerland because they earn more money Slovakia is relatively poor compared to Western Europe
@@pritsingh9766 I dont wanna work in Germany, I show just an example.
The Australia a and Canada model is based on points system based on labor market demand and compatible skills required. This prevent unemployed immigrants which resorts to crime to earn money.
Most of these software engineers went to Germany through the companies like tcs & hcl. These companies hardly pay anything in india and promise onsite like Germany in the name of growth. Germany gets dirt cheap labour in this entire thing
People remember one thing that companies do not hire candidates if you don’t know Deutsch language till B2 level so shortage of labour is just a bubble. Even for a job in restaurants they want person to know Deutsch language fluently
Skilled in one country, does not necessarily mean skilled in another country. Standards of education are vastly different in different countries - you may not get what you think you're getting...
very diplomatic and very true
No way, the Indian electrician is just as good as any German who did a three year apprenticeship and learned the codes. Indians are smart, they can learn codes in weeks and earn as much as any German
@@edsnotgod "The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias[2] in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities."
might be an interesting read for you
@@edsnotgod Sorry to say but an Indian electrician will need to forget his previous standards for about 5 years, then learn hundreds of German standards and codes for 3 more.
Working in Germany isn't just "solving a problem" but solving it in accordance to very precise and regulated rule books without any exceptions allowed. You and your company will be liable for every wrong move you do.
@user-qu2pv2wp3o Germans: you can't do faux marble or wood grain
Why not?
You don't have a masters cert like I do
I want to work in Germany. I want to work more and earn more. Please provide opportunities
Workforce in the digital field is no easily found and URGENTLY NEEDDED in Germany, besides, burucracy is very extended and not so automatized as in USA.
Isn’t this way old report?