Lived and worked in Germany for 24 years and counting. My Asian family has experienced mild discrimination occasionally but overall Germany has provided education for my kids, apprenticeships and now well paid jobs. Its not perfect- nowhere is - but workers have protections, sick pay, public healthcare works more or less and 6 weeks annual holiday. Overall I'm pretty happy to be here.
I am sorry for your experience. Some Germans never change. Even mild discrimination is wrong. We are all the same. Thank you for your positive attitude.
with request to be correctrmany ed, immigrants (from Asia) to Germany are skilled Workers while those to Germany, UK,Australia , Canada or USA are Highly educated Professionals. Germany is YET to become INCLUSIVE!
Germany says it wants skilled workers then does absolutely nothing sbout it. Horrible visa process. Low wages. No digitalization. Must call everyone on the phone and they only speak German.
@@meetimian3383 good addition. Tax for those most likely to move as a skilled worker is 46% of salary but then 19% tax on just about everything else. So if the salary is 70 000 EUR, take home is 44 800 EUR, and effective purchasing power excluding non-tax items like rent is 36 300 EUR. Unbelievable.
@@SimpleEnglishMastery yes. Single person tax rate is 46%. Pre-tax health insurance is 14%, so it's actually worse. Yes, insurance is far from free here! 70K x (1-0.14) = 60.2K. 60.2K x (1-0.46) = 38.5K. So take home is 38.5K, and that does not include sales tax on anything purchased. Say rent is 1K, that leaves 26.5K. Almost all that 26.5K would purchase things with sales tax (of 19%), so 26.5K x (1-0.19) = 21.5K for everything else. Absolutely garbage income.
In the real life they don't want skilled workers from abroad at all, because these workers don't have the same papers, german experience etc. And that is not normal for them, so it makes a lot of problems, exceptions, their IT systems can't handle it by recruiting so they don't want that.
Worked with Germany and Ireland in software development. The Germans tended to discriminate but had trust we’ll do the job(they usually did mostly management and we did all the research and development). The Irish discriminated even more but also didn’t trust our teams, even though we consistently delivered the best quality in the entire project(all senior engineers in our team while they tended to hire juniors). I am trying to say that it’s not unique to Germany.
@@val-schaeffer1117 I do not know which one is worse. In your face racism in mainland Europe or behind your back unofficial racism in Ireland. I consider the latter worse since you do not even know why you are affected and can not decide to work better or move to some other country.
@@val-schaeffer1117 they are so friendly that they called my romanian brother ( who worked as a nurse for a few months ) a thief. if thats your definition of friendliness then i dont want it
It’s not just racism. German bureaucracy is ridiculously complex, but perhaps even more off-putting is how closed-minded and resistant Germans often are to any sort of change. Try working in any industry or institution and you will be surrounded by “Das geht doch nicht”, That’s not possible, “Das machen wir nicht hier” we don’t do that here. I have worked in Universities in Britain and in Germany, and here I am surrounded by incompetence, nepotism, and dysfunctionality, far, far worse than in Britain. Professors have complete power over other academics, they can’t be sacked, even if they don’t turn up, this often (not always) encourages complacency and inefficiency. Professors are often very poorly educated outside a very narrow range, they are afraid of foreign competition so rarely appoint foreigners to any significant positions for fear of it revealing their own mediocrity. The rest of the academic staff have to dance to the professors’ tune, which serves universities very badly here. Just look at the international university ratings - 1 German university in the top 50 vs 12 British, and plenty more American. Foreign friends of mine complain that the various institutions and industries they work in are just as atrophied and incompetent. The chances of foreigner workers being promoted to senior positions is very low. Plus you have to put up with petty moodiness and sourness - a very German trait. Topping them all is the know-it-all (Besserwisser) attitude. Are there nice, efficient, warm Germans? Of course - many, but sometimes in the public or work sphere it is very hard to find them.
I do agree with some of your points but you sound overall really negative and if that's the starting point you will of course find more and more negative aspects for the collection. I have a lot of international friends in Germany and the feedback includes all kinds of different POV. Why is it so common particularly among Germans to completely bash their own country? Criticism is valid but there is also plenty of positive aspects.
@@coffeenorth he’s right about the nepotism in academia though. At Berlin’s FU, a well-known professor threatened to leave unless they hired his wife as a lecturer at the Otto Suhr Institute. In politics, such a revelation would unleash a torrent of scandals and resignations, but the university responded by quietly complying, like “let’s not rock the boat”, much like the old days, if I may use the cliché. Additionally, the resistance to digitization and innovation in Germany is astounding. Even showing an employee in their mid-30s how to schedule an email in Outlook or use a text-based automation tool to streamline routine tasks is overwhelming for them. They find it too difficult and, despite the obvious benefits, they prefer to stick with sending faxes and a horse-drawn carriage, because „Das haben wir schon immer so gemacht“. Having worked in service, research institutes and now for a leading international company, even here I feel like I’m surrounded by dinosaurs. If you only knew how much I wish I could be that Chicxulub meteorite… sometimes ;)
@@2msvalkyrie529 Let me ask you a honest question. Do you think you’re gonna bail out your economy and compete in the global market employing only people that have no other choices in life than to come to Germany? Do you think slave work is going to create technical innovation and high-profit margin industries to replace your declining manufacturing that drags you down and keeps you in recession for years? Is your ambition to become a Morocco, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Vietnam? Or do you perhaps think that you would be better off competing with the US or at least the Netherlands and Scandinavia for a little chunk of skilled professionals? Then, don’t compare yourself with Morocco. Compare yourself with the US or at least the Netherlands. Why would a skilled engineer come to Germany and not the Netherlands?
German society as a whole need to rethink how they do things, it's not just up to the government. Doesn't matter how much easier the government tries to make it. People still won't come if companies refuse to speak English, if there's so much suffocating bureaucracy, if there's no housing available (or lower priority for foreigners), if you can't get a barely functional internet connection even living in the city center, if you have to beg to make German friends, if there's discrimination and distrust towards foreigners (yes, in every company I worked it took months for the Germans to trust me, even though I was doing my job perfectly fine and better than most from the beginning, while other foreigners quickly acknowledged my skills), if it's so hard to get a doctor appointment. Then you see how much you're paying in taxes and question yourself if it's worth it to go through all this.
check the law, German govt is free to spy on your phone's, internet emails etc if they have only suspicion on you. I don't remember clause number but it is. so what is the criteria on being suspicious??? well as easy as you are non native German and your neighbour or jealous colleagues just made a call to authorities crying and sobbing and suspecting you as a anti German and entire bureaucracy, your life in Germany , from internet speed to heating to social help such getting lawyers everything will be nightmare, and these sick bastards are proud of themselves over such behaviour.
I agree with you the German people need to be a little bit relaxed and give in English a chance in their society and economy if they’re counting on foreigners for faster economic growth
As a German I have to admit that you are right here. The thing is Germany needs skilled migration but the infrastructure (health system, housing etc) is already under pressure. My girlfriend is from the Philippines, she works in nursing. She only has foreign friends besides me. And for her the US would be way easier given that everyone in the Philippines is fluent in English. She also complains about taxation and bureaucracy.
I know Germany has it's drawbacks, but living as an international student it hasn't been easy I studied the language, had good grades, now I m able to help my family back home. All I can say Germany gave me the opportunity my country could not and I am very grateful for that. Glück auf
5th grade citizen status in Germany being better than normal life in your homeland, does not disprove the allegation of discrimination. In fact, it proves it.
I live in Berlin, the city is not really Germany. And Berliners have a reputation across Germany of being a bit gruff, saying their mind and not mincing their words. That might come over as unfriendly, maybe even a bit impolite to foreigners, but in reality they are only being genuine. They also keep strangers at a distance until they know them better, but once you've won them over they're your friend for life.
@@LeegallyBliindLOL I wish Germans would avoid Berlin. Thing is though, the city seems to attract people from all walks of life from all over the world. It's getting crowded.
@@MrElmag12 When I'm out shopping I hear people around me speaking about 10 different languages. In some bars only English is spoken. Some bar tenders can't even speak German. I was at the dentist yesterday and the stand-in dentist asked me to speak English because his German is still not good. You won't get that anywhere else in Germany.
@@user-1rg9f2-g3l6d If that were the case, the country would not be in such a situation. As someone staying here for the last 3 years, unfortunately, I still feel quite unwelcome here. Be it in the professional space or private.
@@meetimian3383 not just that, it's just the general vibe. Germany doesn't like foreigners, you'll always somehow be reminded of your place. To top it off you'll earn very meagre salaries which will be insanely taxed. You'll be lucky to save up anything, let alone send to your family back home
@@nataliac7716 My korean friend considered to leave on his first day here. His opinion still didn't change, despite all k-boos running after him. And people treat him more nicely than me, since he has American accent. Even obligation of serving in military is less scary for him than staying whole life in Germany
We need more awareness about the differences between illegal, and legal immigration because they seem to get mixed up together and are significantly different. There should be a clearer focus on actively encouraging legal immigration of skilled workers, whilst doing far more to discourage illegal immigration of unskilled workers. The former strengthens the country, the latter weakens it. As a British / Irish immigrant in Germany it has been a great place to move, raise kids and start a company, but I struggle to find enough local talent, and also strugle under the huge amount of taxes I have to pay. On balance, out of the 8 countries I have lived, it's one of the best overall but the trajectory at the moment doesnt seem positive.
The problem is that all types of immigrants, legal or illegal experience discrimination, racism and other aggression towards them. Unfortunately, even if all immigrants were legal, the hostile attitude would remain.
@@lusolanga8423I disagree. While you won't be able to get rid of prejudice completely, there are also reasons they exist. And it's usually from the unskilled illegal immigrants. If only legal immigrants who immediately become contributing members to society were to come in, attitudes would definitely change over the years.
What is illegal immigrants meaning??? Every person who comes to a country and asks for asylum is a legal immigrant. As soon as it is approved the person can live legally in the country....if rejected he must leave.. I am fed up with the right wing media calling immigrants illegal before they have cleared the status. If they come with small boats to the UK there is no law that it's forbidden to do so. They should implement a law that no boat can come to the country in the same way as North Korea is doing..... They don't have illegal or legal immigrants....😂
@@thorwaldjohanson2526 You are wrong and clearly out of touch with the experiences of immigrants, legal or illegal. Saying illegal or legal justifies hostile actions, but the truth is that they don't like 'the other', whatever their immigration status. If all the "illegal immigrants" leave, the legal, highly skilled ones will become even more of a new target of aggression, racism and violence. There's always a scapegoat group to blame for all the ills of a society.
Racism and discrimination is only part of the issue. I wouldn't leave my home country to germany if i had a stable life and enough income to live. Nowadays, you struggle to get anything in Germany, including housing, proper healthcare, nurseries etc. After paying your bills and the extremely high taxes, you will mostly end up with nothing to take back home.
"...you struggle to get anything in Germany, including housing, proper healthcare, nurseries etc. " Utter rubbish. I doubt there's anywhere easier than Germany to find housing, "proper" health care and day-care for young children. It's all anchored in law, everyone has a right to all that. And if you think German income tax is high you must be on a high enough wage anyway to take back home a lot of money.
@@mikethespike7579All of Scandinavia is cheaper in housing. I can literally buy a house in my home town in Danmark for €50k, but in Germany it pretty much starts at €250-350k Also, I doubt you're German or live in Germany if you don't think Germany has a housing crisis xd
@@LeegallyBliindLOL I've just checked out of my window. Yep I'm still in Berlin, Neuwestend, Charlottenburg, about a mile from the Olympic Stadium. Sure, Scandinavian countries have cheap housing, usually in the sticks somewhere and made of cheap pine. Lots of pine trees in Scandinavia and lots of wood mills to turn that all into building material (I lived in Norway for 3 years). I noticed that more than an average number of houses were in ruin because of fires. But for that everything that just smacks of a bit of luxury is heavily taxed. My kids stopped eating sweets because it was 3 times as expensive as in Norway. Want to go out to eat? Forget it unless you plan on taking out a bank credit. Here in Germany in the Baltic ports we see ferries arriving full of Swedes and Norwegians. They're going shopping in Germany because it's far cheaper here. You can watch them boarding the next ferry home heavily stocked up with booze and other stuff. Forget your cheap housing if for that the state milks you of your hard earned money.
@@mikethespike7579 Die reale Kaufkraft ist in Dänemark höher. Du kannst nicht dein Gehalt mit dem eines Dänen vergleichen. Ja, die kommen über die Grenzen, weil's billiger ist, genauso wie die Ostdeutschen mit Tschechien oder Polen. Ja, Deutschland ist relativ billig, wenn das Wohnen nicht so unglaublich teuer wäre. Wir haben nicht ohne Grund den niedrigste Hauseigentümersatz in ganz Europa und ja, in der Pampe in Dänemark ist es billig, aber auch in den Metropolen sind die Renten in absoluten, nicht nur relativen, Werten, weitaus billiger. Ich kann in Århus für 300€ eine Wohnung mieten. In Hannover? Ja, komm, lass stecken, dabei ist Hannover nicht einmal eine der teuersten Ecken.
@@wrestlingterrier8366 Salary in Germany might be little higher but costs are much higher as well. So on PPP scale, Germany is actually worse. Especially asset prices are so high, even highly skilled workers end up affording only a single apartment in their entire lifetime.
German job ads for programmers too often demand cs degrees and fluent german language but pay poorly. In USA degrees matter far less than skill. But there are many good things about germany.
Im saying that they want a nongerman to be a good programmer, have a cs degree, and speak fluent german and they want to pay not very much for all that. In the USA we reward talent first, then maybe a degree, maybe in cs and we are lucky that most everybody knows english. Very few ppl know german outside germany My youngest kids took german through high school, had a german nanny when they were toddlers, take german in college, took german lang classes in munich for 4 weeks this summer and they still dont know it well enough to go to college there. My older daughter has lived there for 3 years total and is still maybe b2. Her husband is a programmer but he works for an american company remote and speaks no german. I want germany to be a strong modern economy but german employers and until recently the govt are not flexible enough or realistic about their situation.
simple answer to the title of this video, NO, racism is getting higher and higher. It doesn't matter how professional you are , if you are not german you are pushed to fly away.
I also think the more media tries to fight racism, the more racism is here. People don't like to be told what they must to do. Surprisingly for me, older generation is more inclusive and polite to me (ofc some exclusions), but young one put you in the box according to your passport and will treat you accordingly. My Korean American friend treated much better than me here, because he got "superior" citizenships. The same goes for Taiwanese. Mainland China don't enjoy this priviledge at all, because they seem to be inferior to developed West
As someone that married a German and has been trying to integrate its mostly the system. I have faced very little racism from Germans. Its mostly just the system that makes you feel rejected. I studied in a very good Highschool, taking all possible extra classes, including first aid, psychology and world religions. However I didn't take enough foreign language courses. So Germany says I am a Middle school dropout. And Germany's school system is so elitist that the moment you are not "university material" you are a dum dum that maybe might make it as a cook, warehouse worker, driver or whatever job the general German culture doesn't want to have. Germany is great if you want to live in a place with less crime, (though its getting bad, I have bad experiences in Koln) and with a basic salary and medical care. But the odds of you rising up above the path that the German government assigns to you are so so so low. If you are a visionary don't come to Germany...
Hi, thanks for the comment but I wanted to ask you what's wrong with koln? If you could tell please, as I am planning to pursue my masters there. I thought It was a good city.
@@ben8133 everything is fine with Koln, I live in that city to this day , there is a big difference between living here and just finishing your education as I did .
Looking for cheap labour workers is already discrimination dressed up as openness, which you could experience in some environments in Germany. The language for example. One thing is a language level that allows you to survive, and one other is to being able to discuss intellectually with somebody. If you can’t speak fluently you probably will not be taken serious. Even if you know the topic and have knowledge to make your point. If it doesn’t sound convincing it will not be heard. Some people can feel discriminated if they are not heard. Discrimination works at many levels, and the language is not an exception. Even positive discrimination is a daily thing in Germany. I can only say, if you are looking for just a job, probably better paid than your home country, but low (depending the area you specialize) in Germany it worth to try it. But if you are looking for an experience with development of your skills, engage with the culture you live in, participate, expand, and grow I would not recommend it. Germany is a place to shut your mouth, put your head down, obey and work hard. It is not openness it is a limited tolerance what you will experience.
When I landed in Berlin (first time in Europe), I was so surprised that my colleagues in IT department were all (except one older German) from much poorer economies; e.g. Cuba, Russia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Zimbabwe, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Iran, Turkey, etc. I kept wondering where are the Aussies, the Japanese and the Americans? Why don't they move to Germany? Apparently they do, if they have some specific or personal reason like because of a family member or they are here for short term. Germany is only a decent country to move to a better place. Is food good here? No, the imported food culture is good. The weather? No AC in scorching hot summers and 4 months of solid freezing temperatures. Is life 26/7? No, they tend to close whenever they want on top of holidays and weekends. Do you enjoy talking to people here? Good percentage of conversation is about reminding each other of what is illegal to do. Can you choose your apartment from 100 of options and filter out where exactly you want to live? No, housing crisis is ongoing for many years. Only work and employment rights is really good here, the rest are trade offs. Oh we have plenty of strikes, from airports to trains.
@@MrTohawk if you maybe read what I wrote, I did say "depending in which area you work". But your lack of text interpretation doesn't finish there. If you also read, you might understand that "only working" is NOT a fully developing life for many. It is also about how you can BE PART OF, EXIST, EXPRESS, DEVELOP independent from ONLY WORK, in a culture. That is what at least I consider part of "life quality".
Bro, Am from uganda kindly I there any genuine agency which you would recommend to someone to use to go to Germany. Coz we are jobless. Thanks@@SonnyDarvish
I am a software developer. As for discrimination in the housing sector I confirm it. I have been experiencing it myself, not able to find an apartment for already 6 months. It is absurd. My German colleagues easily find within a month. Some agencies even ask to provide your nationality when you fill in blanks. Looking for a way to leave this damn place.
I remember hearing that after decades the Goethe Institute in my hometown in Brazil was closing its doors, so I guess that wasn't only there where this is happening.
All people are equal and welcome, no question, but people in Germany seem so tight on their money that nobody can make big leaps… instead of paying people more to make jobs attractive, Germany rather looks for policies to get workforce in, that has not as high expectations regarding salary and work place conditions as the people being there already. Does that make sense?
Every country in the world needs to attract talent at attractive rates. The US has the H1B visa for that purpose. There is nothing particular about Germany. As an employer, you want young professionals who want to grow with the company.
@@j.erickson8571 yeah but not every country is worth wasting my youth on. I moved to Canada, even though cost of is quite high compared to salaries, I do enjoy my life overall. I’m African, and feel very included in many aspects of the culture here. Canadians are quite friendly and employers will give back respect
@@simba8665 Yes, Canada is also a great country. But Germany is way better. I am delighted that I managed to live here in Germany. Only some things are about money or costs. Nothing compares to Europe's architecture. Everything you see here has hundreds of years. It adds a nice feeling to it.
@@j.erickson8571 I appreciate your take, you probably know better than majority of people on these comments who don’t have 1st hand experience. I actually do think Germany might have better health systems and work-life balance for employees compared to Canada. What they need is better migration systems. And digitizing things instead of involving too much paperwork in simple things.
The racisme, sarcasme and discrimination in germany work places is out of Hand. Its not a cliché, it’s a truth, a fact! If You want to Save your Soul from a painful experience don’t come here. Word ! The money is not even worth it, there nothing to do hier beside work !
I just migrated to Germany from the USA to complete an apprenticeship in an in-demand Handwerker field. I speak German C1. My experience was a disaster. The behavior of anyone further up the hierarchy to subordinates was truly appauling. From the construction managers, to the boss to the vocational teachers. Even well intentioned German coworkers were completely ambivalent to supporting me. Hours were exploitive too, with the Freizeitsausgleich work model essentially forcing people to work 50 hours every week. I must say, it was worse than the similar jobs I did in the USA in poor, republican states. And even as the most privileged minorty I could possibly be (white German-looking, German-speaking American) I still felt discriminated against; for ex, I was repeatedly humiliated by a further up for wearing a yellow rain suit in stormy weather. The lower class Germans suffered the same, but systemic racism absolutely exists here. My coworker from Afghanistan was treated TERRIBLY. The boss would casually say racist insults to him, degrading his intelligence. He was unfairly skeptical about any needs my Afghani coworker had, for example screaming at him for not being able to make quotas on the sandblaster when they were impossible and breaking his body. I love Germany, but someone's gotta politicize these exploited minorities so they can make their voices heard - and expose their nasty bosses. Otherwise, it seems Germany's progressive liberalism is no better than places like Idaho or Utah - really sad.
I have a German friend who told me that they can also be racist towards people from other parts of Germany. She told me that she once experienced a mobbing for speaking like a Prussian.
So sad...your Afghani Co worker should have yelled at his Boss...He would not loos anything...I had a Boss in Germany and I wouldent even let him to talk even louder than me...
@@paulyb7267I don't know what a Prussian is supposed to sound like since Prussia doesn't exist anymore but yes, regional racism is strong in Germany. Especially eastern people often hate the west and Bavaria just hates everyone xd
restaurant and service workers, sure.. i myself worked as a chef here for about 5 years, and the sector is insanely toxic. not racist, but insanely old fashioned in terms of unpaid overtime, no bonus pay whatsoever, and in general just modern slavery. that being said, everything is preferrable to being bombed i guess. besides that, germany has the second highest tax burden in the whole of the eu.. if u can go somewhere else. not even locals with proper training can afford property. wouldnt recommend.
What about being emotionally repressed? No feelings being shown, no hug, no touch, no affection, no set heart and passion in what you do. Welcome to Coldmany!!!!
Don't go to Germany. It is one of my biggest life mistakes. Unfriendly people, creepy old apartments, hard language, limited career options. Poor service, poor infrastructure Look USA, immigrants kids are CEOs of many great companies. I have never meet a foreigner or their kids being boss in Germany. We save to move to Australia. Warm weather and way more relax people. If not possible than Canada
Thats important moment, immigrant children has less possibilities since school, because they can't go to gymnasium and study. If they try to do it, it will take many years and effort, but its still filtering based on ethnic and financial background at 4th grade. I met many talented people who were sent to Realschule, only because their background didn't please teacher
Germany wants you to want to come here but once you went through the troubles of accommodating yourself you will see that the country has done absolutely nothing to help you in the process, it is quite the opposite. They need cheap labour, it's all.
@@elizabethabele3039 how you will make world learn German. They need to build their service sector. Manufacturing will be done by china india Vietnam Indonesia
After hearing about several accounts of discrimination and slow bureaucracy in Germany, I decided to go to the Netherlands for study. Ended up facing multiple counts of discrimination in the uni itself. After an incident of being followed and chased by Dutch teens through Utrecht, I decided to move to Dusseldorf for my internship. Getting an internship was difficult, but getting housing was less challenging than in Germany. What followed was a gruelling 6 months where I was kicked out of my housing by the landlord, had to live in multiple hostels, living out of a backpack, sometimes spending the night in the street or with German colleagues (because I was often refused stay in hostels because of the colour of my skin). Living on the street, I became fluent in German. Homeless, & poor Germans are less racist and more welcoming lol. At the end of my internship, I got a job in Cologne. By then, I had enough and decided to leave. Europe is not for non-whites. Currently living in the UK, things are much better for me. Despite the high cost of living, and other social issues. Europe seriously needs massive people-oriented change.
You can find job in Germany, also in IT or business..but you will not get the same money as your german colleague, even you are more skilled. One tipp = to have a german sounding name and know perfect german language with accent of your location in Germany.
Well still have to put photo in CV and nationality as well. Won't help that much. And tasks I get either ones my colleagues can't do or don't want to do
@@hansmoss7395their reason is the bubble they have in their head. Everyone thinks this is the perfect country, until they arrive here and decide to choose another country.
Day 3 as a student in Uni Frankfurt, way back in 2008. Went to a career fair with a Ukrainian friend. HR people at the desks TOTALLY ignored my then intermediate German, but engaged in very friendly manner with my English speaking Ukrainian friend. While I was asked to apply using online apprication page, 2 min later the Ukrainian got visiting cards. I knew what was in store for me in Germany.
I am a skilled worker with a phd in pharmacy specializing in oncology . Everytime i go to ausländer behoder , they treat me like a criminal . I studied and lived in three other countries and none were like this . But day to day life is ofcourse less troublesome
I worked in Germany for 7 years. 5 years in Rostock and 2 years in Berlin. I was working in academic institutions in Germany (Rostock University and Charite Medical Center, Berlin). I was working on neurodegenerative and neurodevelopmental disorders and did a lot of research in the research laboratories. I have to admit that I really enjoyed working in Germany. My experience working in Germany was simply superb. My boss in Rostock was simply the best boss that I ever had, and my second boss in Berlin was great too. The only problem I had in Germany was learning German language. It is a difficult language. I still do not know how to use der, das, die. Maybe it is because I speak already three languages, and additional language might be problematic to learn. One thing that Germany needs, is to bring more and more academic and high skilled people, for example scientists, researchers, engineers. In addition, they need to create more stable research positions in academia. Research positions like staff scientist or research scientist positions simply do not exists in German Universities. So, imagine a person with 30 or 40 research papers and the person is still a postdoc. Another problem is that after you completed your PhD in Germany, you have 6 years to work in academic institution. If after 6 years you were not able to find a tenure position, you can not work in academic institutions. This is the reason why we have so many German scientists in the USA. Tenure position/s in German Universities simply do no exists. Overall, I had a wonderful time in Germany and I never experienced any discrimination, or racism toward me in Germany.
Is there a institute you would recommend for someone with an undergrad in Microbiology, looking to go to Germany for studying/ doing research on neurodegenerative diseases?
@@cookies3905 Hello. I am neuroscientist, and electrophysiologist. With regard of neurodegenerative diseases, there are some excellent centers that exists in Berlin, Goettingen, Freiburg, Heidelberg, Bonn, and in Munich as well. For example Charite Medical Center, University Medical Center Hamburg-Eppendorf, and of course Max Planck Institute for example for Brain Research or Max Planck Institute for Medical Research that studies neurodegenerative disorders.
@@cookies3905 Yes, there are some excellent Institutes in Berlin, Munich, Freiburg, Heidelberg, Goettingen, Frankfurt, Leipzig, Mainz. There are a lot of groups that are working on neurodegenerative diseases, for example in Charite Medical Center in Berlin, or in Max Planck Institutes.
@@deesiInGermany being racist is not okay, but to be fair, as medical doctor maybe he really couldn't trust that he could make a correct diagnosis if he doesn't understand you. Patient - doctor communication usually is a huge part of diagnosing
@@deesiInGermany I went to two Dentists in Germany. Both of them were very nice. This was because despite the Health Insurance I was willing to pay them in cash to get priority treatment. They were extremely nice, friendly and courteous with me. But both of them destroyed the tooth they worked on. One required a root canal which eventually failed and I had to get it redone from some other place. Other one required a cavity to be filled, which came out after a year and a half. So they are very nice if you give them money. When the Germans know that they can benefit themselves from you, then they will always be nice to you, irrespective of your skin color or race.
I knew this Asian American girl 20 years ago. She told me a story about how she loved German culture and she spent years learning the language. Eventually, she convinced her parents to host a German exchange student at their house so they can learn from each other. They enrolled in a host family program and had a German girl fly over who stayed at their house for three days only to immediately leave after complaining to her parents that she'd rather stay with real Americans (or at least the version of Americans she had in her head). To top it off, I don't think the girl I knew lost her love of Germany despite that experience which makes her a better person than many. Decades later, I still think about that story whenever the topic of Germany comes up lol
This country is very old fashioned. Old buildings, bureaucratic services. When you enter country, you notice that country is the full of with older people.
Germany is a good place to work but foreigners considering moving there should also be aware that they will be excluded from many areas of society. As in the past, Germany badly needs foreign labor today but they should also know their place. It's that way.
Sorry, but your not going see a whole of immigration in Germany. In fact your going see the reverse many skilled German workers are going leave for America. This happen in the 1840's it will happen again.
@@aslammighty8835 Also those english speaking countries tend to be more open to socialize in comparison to Germany so find your place as an immigrant could be easier.
The hilarity of a multicultural society demanding that you learn German. I for one am pro assimilation but the current system of multiculturalism poisons peoples attitudes towards immigrants as there truly is no pressure to assimilate in a world where a lot of people can live permanently online.
I think Germany has the same Catch 22 problem like most other countries: If you want to get a working visa, you need an invitation to work from a local company. But all local companies want you to have a working visa first, in order to work for them.
@@madapro03 we have found long staying appartement hotels , in which you can register, as "home". Then you can open a bank account and make a work contract. But the negative intention is given by the whole mechanism: "Don't come here" (or just as a nurse to care the elderly)
Never lived in Germany, but I like the fact that DW talks about discrimination. In Quebec (Canada) discrimination is widespread especially at the workplace but Quebecers never acknowledge that. If you express concern about discrimination they will go after you even more.
The biggest problem is the language barrier. Most of jobs in Germany require German which is natural but there are currently numerous unemployed foreign IT engineers in Berlin struggling to find jobs whereas the demand in IT skills is high.
I was told yesterday: In the real life they don't want skilled workers from abroad at all, because these workers don't have the same papers, german experience etc. And that is not normal for them, so it makes a lot of problems, exceptions, their IT systems can't handle it by recruiting so they don't want that.
@@ap46723 Thank you for sharing. Interesting, but not surprising in a way. In France, you will encounter the same language and cultural barriers in French companies.
Less salary, high living cost, no rent or extremely high rent. Language and company corruption rejecting non eu without any reason. Germany company getting profit from immigration but life is pathetic for high skill Indian in Germany
The main problem is that there are NO ACADEMIC BENCHMARKING. A US company can never reject an immigrant with degree from Harvard or Princeton. In Germany, you can be a Grad from Heidelberg or TU Munich, it matters zilch in corporate job market.
It is not the rise of the far right, it is the ancient unending bureaucracy, lack of openness by Germans, and underdigitalization. These things made me and most other of my international classmates in a German University decide to just go elsewhere, where we could get our work permits done, our qualifications recognized, and started working in two months (in germany, if your work permit is processed in less than one year, it is considered FAST)
Day 3 as a student in Uni Frankfurt, way back in 2008. Went to a career fair with a Ukrainian friend. HR people at the desks TOTALLY ignored my then elementary German, but engaged in very friendly manner with my Ukrainian friend. While I was asked to apply using online apprication, 2 min later the Ukrainian got visiting cards. I knew what was in store for me.
@@jansoltes971it’s people like you... Every human being is entitled to be treated fairly and w/ decency no matter where they live. It’s 2024. Get with the program.
@@JonTodt775 Does not matter. I am fluent in German and hold German nationality. I faced racism in every single step, from rental to labour market to dating. I moved to Luxembourg last month.
@@1rich14 I think he wanted to justify racism if the location is East Germany, with comments like "what else did you expect". In reality entire Germany is equally racist.
Its not just about attracting new talents, its also about keeping the ones that already came. Recent report indicate Germany is the country where foreign workers are the most depressed. This is very hard to stay long in Germany
@@mr.centrist5789that's the problem .😂 Where you will get nurses, doctors, ingenieurs, IT people from? Germans are not many enough to do all the jobs... Maybe you don't see this yet
@@Titanesses Forget about him. I was living in UK during Brexit time, there are millions of people like him. They see non-nationals as a threat, not an opportunity. After Brexit all non-nationals, inlcuding me, left UK and now UK is in the worst situation since WW2, but people like Mr Centrist will always refuse to see this.
Bringing in more people doesn't seem logical when the job market in Germany isn't readily open to immigrants. Many graduate students, even with C1 German proficiency, struggle to secure good jobs. It's not just about attracting them; the focus should be on retaining talent since, ultimately, they may come but often have to leave. It's about keeping them in the long run.
Germany wants specialists training by OTHERS working at rock bottom salary in Germany. So an English speaking SAP developer from Infosys with only a Bachelor from India would be more welcome than Uni Stuttgart Computer Science grad with C1 German level. The Infosys guy will be preferred as well for his low exit opportunity. He will be in a deadend technical role for rest of his life.
Well, they are not wrong. The country's official language is German, not English. So they don't have the obligation to speak any other language. I moved to Germany last year and so far I haven't seen people refusing to speak English, even in the public sector.
There is no such thing as open society here in Germany. German may be welcoming to people but they are very much adamant or even closed off to newcomers and newcomers, despite having the language skills, cannot just shift their mindset to the germanness of the german (I can't explain but if you live here, you know what I'm talking about). Overall, I am happy to be here with the life that I built with my partner. Nowhere is perfect sure, but living in Germany has given us so much that we could possibly need in terms of basic necessities such as health care, education, worker's rights, etc. and for that I am forever grateful. But there's a caveat here, it does attract people who want to be basic, mediocre, and would demand so much for nothing that they could give back (Just look at the never ending strikes. Workers demand for more but nothing has been improved to give back to the end users wtf?). So yeah, what can I say. Do I like it here? Yes. Do I recommend people to come? Absolutely!
If you want to attract Neurosurgeons, then actually treating him like a nurse with "everything else taken care of, by social welfare safety net", is not enough. People want reward proportionate to their effort. Problem happens when foreigner neurosurgeon seeks a flat in German upper middle class nrighbourhood.
The Vietnamese who are in Germany today are mostly workers imported from North Vietnam to the DDR, in the spirit of socialist cooperation, comrade. So there is really nothing new about going to Vietnam to source labor.
As much as I like Germany and would love to visit or even live there, your model seems broken. If you need to take in 400k immigrants per year, how could that ever be sustainable? Keep in mind that these immigrants will not remain on the same job their whole lives and if they settle, they'll eventually form families and have more educated children prospecting the same middle class lives as the natives, thus compounding the problem. Are you considering guest worker programs instead, where the immigrant worker stays for a fixed period of time and then goes back home?
All this immigration and they can't seem to land the people for the jobs they have urgent needs for. We're eating their lunch in the US by sniping all the top tech talent from abroad. I'm in tech and there is ZERO chance I'd go to Germany or recommend anyone in my industry to go to Germany. No upside for moving to Europe if you're in tech. If anything, we're seeing German talent come to the US. Had plenty of Germans in my last big studio and we contracted German artists in Germany since they were so cheap compared to their US counterparts.
most immigrants leave on their own. especially the ones with skills. of your a engineer, doctor or coder there are literally 100+ better coutries then germany and according to the german goverment they seem to figure it out quite fast because the vast majority leave.
This guy saying that “perceived discrimination and abuse” doesn’t mean the people actually experienced discrimination speaks for itself and shows why this discrimination isn’t going to go away any time soon. Step number one to make things better is to believe vulnerable people’s experiences! Otherwise nothing will ever change.
imagine this headline... that is the saddest thing i read in a long time - and that will say a lot - crazy to think about it. the biggest fascist country of the world once "still" is unfortunately discriminating foreigners who try to collaborate.... Ridiculous , sad!
Have you heard of the scientific study of shocking the lab mice while feeding them? Where the scientists discovered that 2 generations later, the sound of shock still scared the mice. Genes change much faster than they thought. We aren't that many generations away from the atrocities.
Yeah, good luck to all going to Germany: high living expenses, high rents, high taxes, mediocre health care system for most people on the mandatory health care plans and to top it off: mediocre to low income levels for highly skilled professions. I left Germany almost 8 years ago, working in the US since then. I'd never consider going back. *shudder*
@@marshmallowcello7528 Typically, I would value a higher standard of living over a lower standard of living. The US provides me personally - and many others like me with a higher standard of living.
Everything is relative. In the US, the main problem for me is the guns. Something that, personally, is a no-go for me. I took a taxi in Houston, Texas, at 8:30 PM (a very ordinary evening), and the taxi driver told me: "It doesn't matter how much money you can make here if someone can just shoot you in the face for nothing." Was he wrong?. The next day, some thugs killed an Australian jogging in the morning.
Just look at we Asians in the US. Racism is the last thing in our list of things to worry about. Like an English saying "out of sight, out of mind," we don't dwell too much into something that someone says mean thing to us
Skilled workers should not have to put up with that kind of treatment in Germany. Let Germans figure it out. The amount of time, money and sacrifice you have endured to gain your skills is not worth being a shadow worker for someone else. Stay in your home country, less money but with dignity and family values rather than go to Germany where the people wish you would fade into the shadows from their view, but do the work they won't do.
Germany is getting more and more discriminatory. Wages are not satisfactory compared to other industrialized countries. Highly educated professionals don’t choose Germany. Germany has not caught up with the digitalization. One single American car(Tesla) market capitalization is more than twice than all the great cars of Germany combined.. But the biggest problem Germany faces now is the hostile treatment of immigrants..
I agree it should be easier, and countries need to be friendlier... Western countries need immigration because of our falling birthrates. That being said, it's easy to criticize some countries though.... I wonder how they treat foreign workers in places like India, Asia, Africa??? I've heard nothing but horror stories! In Canada, they "claim" there are shortages in some areas and "NEED" foreign workers to fill them, but once an Indian or Philippine person etc. get's in to a hiring position, they DON'T hire Canadians or anyone not of their nationality! EVER!
I agree with you. Declining birthrates are the problem of developed countries. Pension, healthcare, education, and all benefits are needed to be fulfilled by taxes paid from workers that fill the vacancy gap. And the same discrimination happens too in other countries as expats and as local competing workforce.
Germany has enough working force but its social system doesn't encourage people to work. Germany high taxation to working Labor force is not attraktiv either cause the more you work the more you pay taxes, so many people prefere to work 4 days or to not work at all.
If someone able to resist the discrimination and rasicm in germany ,he /she can make it. However I guess it is so difficult to live for long period in germany as a foreigner since there is a wild discrimination and unfriendly german behaviour. I have seen many foreigners leave germany after a while stay due to this environment.
@@mr.centrist5789😂 I think germany will hurt when these skilled graduated students leave the country . They come from abroad they study for free but due to wild discrimination then they move to other better places/countries . For them it is win win but for Germany it is loss..your country is running by immigrant , germany factories elderly care system and engineers for the main economic engine is held by immigrant , trust me if all these immigrants leave germany, it will be the first country to collapse. But I do really wish this to happen then Germans learn how much valuable these immigrants mean to their economy.
My uncle (polish) works there in building sector for more than 20 years already and when he goes home for vacation he gets tens of calls when he will come back because the clients want him specifically to work for them. He says Germans treat him normal, same as in Poland but they pay more 😂 My brother has been there for some time with his wife as a mechanic. Doesnt know much german nor english but he said he was treated nice and very needed and that they appreciated his work. Never expercienced bad treatment. It's contrasting when you hear peoples experiences from Britain.
Why would a European that is more white than the Germans, and they learn German at school or know it from living at the border, complain in a comment section of a news piece about racism from all over the world living in Germany. It is beyond me. I don't understand it.
My boss(es) also want me stay here and me to work for them. Still doesn't change the fact that I'm ignored and not included, unless we talk about my work results. Not even saying bye / hello, just like I don't exist beside my work. And about Polish I heard jokes "Is it stolen? " so may be your uncle ok with it, or never heard it
The first discrimination is obviously can ben seen at Ausländerbehörde offices. They should hire more open-minded staff. Those who don't judge newcomers by German language skills, skin colour, and ethics.
Absolutely right. I remember the first time I went there in 2018 in Düsseldorf, I picked a ticket and chose "English" out of many other languages on the screen. When my turn came & I started talking in English, the young lady didn't even bother to listen to my question, interrupted me and said something like we're in Germany, we speak German and I can't help you today cuz we're understaffed, either you bring a translator or take another appointment (Termin) in the next 6-8 weeks.😂 I still remember that dinasour, and that was my first contact to the German Multiculti Monster. Btw I'm a doctor, and at that time I had a Language-Student visa !!which means I obviously couldn't use German YET.😂
Immigrants outrageous sense of entitlement is biggest problem.!! Plus they quite openly say how they despise German language and Culture . But they demand to be treated like valuable guests ???
I wish requirements for public transport drivers were simplified. At the moment there is a high demand on them, but one must have a German driver's licence for two years in order to get the job in Germany. I have been studying German for 3 years. I may continue, but it won't help me.
Ich habe mein Deutsch in 1,5 Jahren bis zum C1 Niveau verbessert, habe zwei Diplomen, ein davon BWL, möchte natürlich hier wieder alles von Unten beginnen, aber hier bin ich überqualifiziert UND erfahrungslos, sagen die Deutschen. Wie kann man mit der Arbeit hier anfangen? Wenn man keine Arbeit hat, kann keine Arbeitserfahrungen sammeln... Sie meckern über den Fachkräftemangel, aber sie geben keine Chance denen, die arbeiten möchten. Lieber lassen sie die Stellen unbesetzt.🤷🏻 Warum?
Mein Freund es gibt ein kurdisches Sprichwort bezüglich auf Deutschland: in Deutschland suchst du Logik, bleibst du Ohne! Das Land hat keine Logik es ist das Land der Paradoxie und Widersprüche. Genau wie die deutsche Sprache und Gesinnung 😊😊
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Living in Germany since 2020 and making about 75000 euro a year right now. Never faced any discrimination or even red tape. Yes it’s not that easy to make friends here randomly, but the guys from work are very friendly and genuine personalities. And I know a bunch of other expats who have a similar experience here.
The longer you stay here, the more you will realize disadvantages. Everything depens if you are able to find a decent apartment. Some foreigners are pretty lucky with this, but for many of us it's easily turning into nightmare. If you never faced any red tape, that means that you have EU citizenship, and that's a huge difference. While you are earning a relatively high income, I would not generalize your lucky conditions, or impose your experience on others. Wishing you the best of luck!
It's a matter of where in Germany. Many Germans in the former East German states are not so happy about immigrants. Strangely enough though these love and welcome Vietnamese. Otherwise I find (as a someone with an immigration background) that most Germans are relaxed about immigrants with many robustly standing up for them. I also found that learning the language helped. Some Germans are uncomfortable with someone who doesn't speak their language and might react off-putting. One can get by with English for a while, but it isn't a good alternative for a longer stay in the country. BTW, the mentioned complicated immigration laws are not unique to Germany. Pretty much the whole of the EU has complicated immigration laws. And just to counter some of the misinformation further down below, Germany has one of the best and most affordable health care systems. Health care insurance is mandatory for everyone and fees are gauged to income.
Germany's mostly attractive to those from other European countries (mostly to Easter, Central, & Southern Europe both in the EU & not in the EU) & the Middle East.
Im a skilled worker and I don’t see any reason for staying in Germany. The culture is bad, working conditions bad salaries low and the living costs high
If you really want to see blatant racism and discrimination, go to South Africa for work. The country has 141 active racial laws in the country. Many of which is aimed at the white minority in the country. Yet, the white South African population preserver, as they never believed in relying on the government. Those who are highly skilled rather leave for Europe or USA, but those who can't leave just have to make the best of the situation. People from other African countries who go to South Africa for work faces xenophobia and can even be attacked/killed. Hopefully, everything will change if the ANC lose the 50% majority in 2024.
It is no makes sense! there is two" Germanys", one Germany needs to skills people to help the development of country and other Germany that does not like foregner people working hard to improve the country. In my opinion it is insane !
My wife is 25% German blood,and I have observed that she is a racist.Imagine if she would be 100%.You can live in Germany from generations,and they would remember it and remind you about it.that you are from abroad.
I never faced discrimination in the Ausländerbehörde as pointed out by many here. Maybe I had an exceptional experience. But all the conversations I had were in English and it went smoothly even though I forgot some documents, I was able to provide the e-version of it.
I think we are good enough to respect the culture, i read a lot in our forum that when we work in Europe or Asia that we need to learn their languages, blend and study the culture, not into politics, pay taxes and use the money from the government for good.... Because yesterday Im surprised that some immigrants not working at all and use the money from the government just for playing everyday in their home wth
the problem is that people don't want to integrate into the German society amd don't even make the effort, that's why they always say "I'm not welcome here"
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Lived and worked in Germany for 24 years and counting. My Asian family has experienced mild discrimination occasionally but overall Germany has provided education for my kids, apprenticeships and now well paid jobs. Its not perfect- nowhere is - but workers have protections, sick pay, public healthcare works more or less and 6 weeks annual holiday. Overall I'm pretty happy to be here.
Prejudice is everywhere so it is normal.
I am sorry for your experience. Some Germans never change. Even mild discrimination is wrong. We are all the same. Thank you for your positive attitude.
@Penny-mk7fv Canada is way easier to integrate. But salaries are quite low compared to living expenses and hard to find accommodation
with request to be correctrmany ed, immigrants (from Asia) to Germany are skilled Workers while those to Germany, UK,Australia , Canada or USA are Highly educated Professionals. Germany is YET to become INCLUSIVE!
Mild discrimination means getting pushed on road
Germany says it wants skilled workers then does absolutely nothing sbout it. Horrible visa process. Low wages. No digitalization. Must call everyone on the phone and they only speak German.
True
High taxes as well
@@meetimian3383 good addition. Tax for those most likely to move as a skilled worker is 46% of salary but then 19% tax on just about everything else. So if the salary is 70 000 EUR, take home is 44 800 EUR, and effective purchasing power excluding non-tax items like rent is 36 300 EUR. Unbelievable.
@@SimpleEnglishMastery yes. Single person tax rate is 46%. Pre-tax health insurance is 14%, so it's actually worse. Yes, insurance is far from free here! 70K x (1-0.14) = 60.2K. 60.2K x (1-0.46) = 38.5K. So take home is 38.5K, and that does not include sales tax on anything purchased. Say rent is 1K, that leaves 26.5K. Almost all that 26.5K would purchase things with sales tax (of 19%), so 26.5K x (1-0.19) = 21.5K for everything else. Absolutely garbage income.
In the real life they don't want skilled workers from abroad at all, because these workers don't have the same papers, german experience etc. And that is not normal for them, so it makes a lot of problems, exceptions, their IT systems can't handle it by recruiting so they don't want that.
Germany doesn’t need skilled workers, Germany needs low paid workers.
I'm not leaving my country to become a second-tier citizen in another country full of entitled people.
Yasss
Good for you, that you can stay
Worked with Germany and Ireland in software development. The Germans tended to discriminate but had trust we’ll do the job(they usually did mostly management and we did all the research and development). The Irish discriminated even more but also didn’t trust our teams, even though we consistently delivered the best quality in the entire project(all senior engineers in our team while they tended to hire juniors).
I am trying to say that it’s not unique to Germany.
Both discriminate
Irish discriminated even more? Rank whatabouterry, in fact unfounded. Irish people are known to be far more friendly.
@@val-schaeffer1117 I do not know which one is worse. In your face racism in mainland Europe or behind your back unofficial racism in Ireland. I consider the latter worse since you do not even know why you are affected and can not decide to work better or move to some other country.
@@SolomonSunder You are assuming there are no behind-the-back racism in German culture. Why do you think corporate world is 100% white ?
@@val-schaeffer1117 they are so friendly that they called my romanian brother ( who worked as a nurse for a few months ) a thief. if thats your definition of friendliness then i dont want it
It’s not just racism. German bureaucracy is ridiculously complex, but perhaps even more off-putting is how closed-minded and resistant Germans often are to any sort of change. Try working in any industry or institution and you will be surrounded by “Das geht doch nicht”, That’s not possible, “Das machen wir nicht hier” we don’t do that here. I have worked in Universities in Britain and in Germany, and here I am surrounded by incompetence, nepotism, and dysfunctionality, far, far worse than in Britain. Professors have complete power over other academics, they can’t be sacked, even if they don’t turn up, this often (not always) encourages complacency and inefficiency. Professors are often very poorly educated outside a very narrow range, they are afraid of foreign competition so rarely appoint foreigners to any significant positions for fear of it revealing their own mediocrity. The rest of the academic staff have to dance to the professors’ tune, which serves universities very badly here. Just look at the international university ratings - 1 German university in the top 50 vs 12 British, and plenty more American. Foreign friends of mine complain that the various institutions and industries they work in are just as atrophied and incompetent. The chances of foreigner workers being promoted to senior positions is very low. Plus you have to put up with petty moodiness and sourness - a very German trait. Topping them all is the know-it-all (Besserwisser) attitude. Are there nice, efficient, warm Germans? Of course - many, but sometimes in the public or work sphere it is very hard to find them.
I do agree with some of your points but you sound overall really negative and if that's the starting point you will of course find more and more negative aspects for the collection. I have a lot of international friends in Germany and the feedback includes all kinds of different POV.
Why is it so common particularly among Germans to completely bash their own country? Criticism is valid but there is also plenty of positive aspects.
@@coffeenorth Absolutely. The climate for example. It's not too hot, and relatively humid.
So, it was better in the country you
actually came from ?? If not , why
complain..?
@@coffeenorth he’s right about the nepotism in academia though. At Berlin’s FU, a well-known professor threatened to leave unless they hired his wife as a lecturer at the Otto Suhr Institute. In politics, such a revelation would unleash a torrent of scandals and resignations, but the university responded by quietly complying, like “let’s not rock the boat”, much like the old days, if I may use the cliché. Additionally, the resistance to digitization and innovation in Germany is astounding. Even showing an employee in their mid-30s how to schedule an email in Outlook or use a text-based automation tool to streamline routine tasks is overwhelming for them. They find it too difficult and, despite the obvious benefits, they prefer to stick with sending faxes and a horse-drawn carriage, because „Das haben wir schon immer so gemacht“. Having worked in service, research institutes and now for a leading international company, even here I feel like I’m surrounded by dinosaurs. If you only knew how much I wish I could be that Chicxulub meteorite… sometimes ;)
@@2msvalkyrie529 Let me ask you a honest question. Do you think you’re gonna bail out your economy and compete in the global market employing only people that have no other choices in life than to come to Germany? Do you think slave work is going to create technical innovation and high-profit margin industries to replace your declining manufacturing that drags you down and keeps you in recession for years? Is your ambition to become a Morocco, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Vietnam? Or do you perhaps think that you would be better off competing with the US or at least the Netherlands and Scandinavia for a little chunk of skilled professionals? Then, don’t compare yourself with Morocco. Compare yourself with the US or at least the Netherlands. Why would a skilled engineer come to Germany and not the Netherlands?
German society as a whole need to rethink how they do things, it's not just up to the government. Doesn't matter how much easier the government tries to make it. People still won't come if companies refuse to speak English, if there's so much suffocating bureaucracy, if there's no housing available (or lower priority for foreigners), if you can't get a barely functional internet connection even living in the city center, if you have to beg to make German friends, if there's discrimination and distrust towards foreigners (yes, in every company I worked it took months for the Germans to trust me, even though I was doing my job perfectly fine and better than most from the beginning, while other foreigners quickly acknowledged my skills), if it's so hard to get a doctor appointment. Then you see how much you're paying in taxes and question yourself if it's worth it to go through all this.
check the law, German govt is free to spy on your phone's, internet emails etc if they have only suspicion on you. I don't remember clause number but it is.
so what is the criteria on being suspicious???
well as easy as you are non native German and your neighbour or jealous colleagues just made a call to authorities crying and sobbing and suspecting you as a anti German and entire bureaucracy, your life in Germany , from internet speed to heating to social help such getting lawyers everything will be nightmare, and these sick bastards are proud of themselves over such behaviour.
I agree with you the German people need to be a little bit relaxed and give in English a chance in their society and economy if they’re counting on foreigners for faster economic growth
As a German I have to admit that you are right here. The thing is Germany needs skilled migration but the infrastructure (health system, housing etc) is already under pressure. My girlfriend is from the Philippines, she works in nursing. She only has foreign friends besides me. And for her the US would be way easier given that everyone in the Philippines is fluent in English. She also complains about taxation and bureaucracy.
So true! To be honest, it's not worth it.
@@Lukas-yi9vv that is Germany and it’s very bad one can lost his life when feel rejected or manipulated it’s really a bad situation.
I know Germany has it's drawbacks, but living as an international student it hasn't been easy I studied the language, had good grades, now I m able to help my family back home. All I can say Germany gave me the opportunity my country could not and I am very grateful for that. Glück auf
5th grade citizen status in Germany being better than normal life in your homeland, does not disprove the allegation of discrimination. In fact, it proves it.
@@val-schaeffer1117 Do you like the boot plain or with gravy?
@@Addis-w8o The boot is on the other foot. Arier Dominanz almost vorbei.
I spent two months in Berlin last year. While some people were helpful and nice, I found many people unfriendly and sour.
I live in Berlin, the city is not really Germany. And Berliners have a reputation across Germany of being a bit gruff, saying their mind and not mincing their words. That might come over as unfriendly, maybe even a bit impolite to foreigners, but in reality they are only being genuine. They also keep strangers at a distance until they know them better, but once you've won them over they're your friend for life.
Bruh, Germans avoid Berlin, what did you expect xD
Berlin is not Germany 😅
@@LeegallyBliindLOL I wish Germans would avoid Berlin. Thing is though, the city seems to attract people from all walks of life from all over the world. It's getting crowded.
@@MrElmag12 When I'm out shopping I hear people around me speaking about 10 different languages. In some bars only English is spoken. Some bar tenders can't even speak German. I was at the dentist yesterday and the stand-in dentist asked me to speak English because his German is still not good. You won't get that anywhere else in Germany.
Before calling people to be slave... Solve discrimination in your society.. Its horrible
Germany is by far one of the most tolerant societies on the planet...
@@shikharsrivastava3558 Germany is the most racist country in the world
@@GrigoriosGregorio how are you claiming that ?
Only if this country cared a bit more for those who are already working here, it would do a world of good for this struggling mammoth.
They already do: the government provides very generous state benefits for its residents.
@@user-1rg9f2-g3l6d If that were the case, the country would not be in such a situation. As someone staying here for the last 3 years, unfortunately, I still feel quite unwelcome here. Be it in the professional space or private.
If that was the case the AFD wouldn't be second in the polls 😂
@@riturajborah382 Nope. I guess the issue here is how foreign workers feel about being in Germany.
@@AiRPasternak To be honest, non-AFD parties haven't been able to do much to make the situation better. I guess politics is irrelevant here.
Don't forget that lots of people come to Germany and leave after 1 year or 2 years. That's also a fact.
Is this because of super high taxes??
@@meetimian3383 not just that, it's just the general vibe. Germany doesn't like foreigners, you'll always somehow be reminded of your place. To top it off you'll earn very meagre salaries which will be insanely taxed. You'll be lucky to save up anything, let alone send to your family back home
True. I am entering my third year here, and i’m considering leaving 😅😢
@@nataliac7716why are you considering leaving?
@@nataliac7716 My korean friend considered to leave on his first day here. His opinion still didn't change, despite all k-boos running after him. And people treat him more nicely than me, since he has American accent. Even obligation of serving in military is less scary for him than staying whole life in Germany
We need more awareness about the differences between illegal, and legal immigration because they seem to get mixed up together and are significantly different. There should be a clearer focus on actively encouraging legal immigration of skilled workers, whilst doing far more to discourage illegal immigration of unskilled workers. The former strengthens the country, the latter weakens it.
As a British / Irish immigrant in Germany it has been a great place to move, raise kids and start a company, but I struggle to find enough local talent, and also strugle under the huge amount of taxes I have to pay. On balance, out of the 8 countries I have lived, it's one of the best overall but the trajectory at the moment doesnt seem positive.
The problem is that all types of immigrants, legal or illegal experience discrimination, racism and other aggression towards them. Unfortunately, even if all immigrants were legal, the hostile attitude would remain.
@@lusolanga8423I disagree. While you won't be able to get rid of prejudice completely, there are also reasons they exist. And it's usually from the unskilled illegal immigrants. If only legal immigrants who immediately become contributing members to society were to come in, attitudes would definitely change over the years.
What is illegal immigrants meaning??? Every person who comes to a country and asks for asylum is a legal immigrant. As soon as it is approved the person can live legally in the country....if rejected he must leave.. I am fed up with the right wing media calling immigrants illegal before they have cleared the status. If they come with small boats to the UK there is no law that it's forbidden to do so. They should implement a law that no boat can come to the country in the same way as North Korea is doing..... They don't have illegal or legal immigrants....😂
@@thorwaldjohanson2526 You are wrong and clearly out of touch with the experiences of immigrants, legal or illegal. Saying illegal or legal justifies hostile actions, but the truth is that they don't like 'the other', whatever their immigration status. If all the "illegal immigrants" leave, the legal, highly skilled ones will become even more of a new target of aggression, racism and violence. There's always a scapegoat group to blame for all the ills of a society.
Doesn't matter whether legal or illegal - both destroy the nation in the long-term.
Racism and discrimination is only part of the issue. I wouldn't leave my home country to germany if i had a stable life and enough income to live. Nowadays, you struggle to get anything in Germany, including housing, proper healthcare, nurseries etc. After paying your bills and the extremely high taxes, you will mostly end up with nothing to take back home.
100% agreed
"...you struggle to get anything in Germany, including housing, proper healthcare, nurseries etc. "
Utter rubbish. I doubt there's anywhere easier than Germany to find housing, "proper" health care and day-care for young children. It's all anchored in law, everyone has a right to all that. And if you think German income tax is high you must be on a high enough wage anyway to take back home a lot of money.
@@mikethespike7579All of Scandinavia is cheaper in housing. I can literally buy a house in my home town in Danmark for €50k, but in Germany it pretty much starts at €250-350k
Also, I doubt you're German or live in Germany if you don't think Germany has a housing crisis xd
@@LeegallyBliindLOL I've just checked out of my window. Yep I'm still in Berlin, Neuwestend, Charlottenburg, about a mile from the Olympic Stadium.
Sure, Scandinavian countries have cheap housing, usually in the sticks somewhere and made of cheap pine. Lots of pine trees in Scandinavia and lots of wood mills to turn that all into building material (I lived in Norway for 3 years). I noticed that more than an average number of houses were in ruin because of fires.
But for that everything that just smacks of a bit of luxury is heavily taxed. My kids stopped eating sweets because it was 3 times as expensive as in Norway. Want to go out to eat? Forget it unless you plan on taking out a bank credit.
Here in Germany in the Baltic ports we see ferries arriving full of Swedes and Norwegians. They're going shopping in Germany because it's far cheaper here. You can watch them boarding the next ferry home heavily stocked up with booze and other stuff.
Forget your cheap housing if for that the state milks you of your hard earned money.
@@mikethespike7579 Die reale Kaufkraft ist in Dänemark höher. Du kannst nicht dein Gehalt mit dem eines Dänen vergleichen. Ja, die kommen über die Grenzen, weil's billiger ist, genauso wie die Ostdeutschen mit Tschechien oder Polen. Ja, Deutschland ist relativ billig, wenn das Wohnen nicht so unglaublich teuer wäre. Wir haben nicht ohne Grund den niedrigste Hauseigentümersatz in ganz Europa und ja, in der Pampe in Dänemark ist es billig, aber auch in den Metropolen sind die Renten in absoluten, nicht nur relativen, Werten, weitaus billiger. Ich kann in Århus für 300€ eine Wohnung mieten. In Hannover? Ja, komm, lass stecken, dabei ist Hannover nicht einmal eine der teuersten Ecken.
I came to Germany to work AS a nurse. It has been the closest I have ever been to slavery. I am 42 yo
if nursing was a good profession in germany don't you think germans would do it themselves?
@@Fleetfoot So basically foreigners are for jobs and neighbourhoods refused by locals. Generation after generation.
A Nurse from Spain, told me the same thing. Despite wages being a bit higher in Germany, she ended up moving back to Spain.
@@wrestlingterrier8366 Salary in Germany might be little higher but costs are much higher as well. So on PPP scale, Germany is actually worse. Especially asset prices are so high, even highly skilled workers end up affording only a single apartment in their entire lifetime.
@@val-schaeffer1117 I think the situation is similar in the Netherlands and much of Europe.
If you have option to choose other countries, it is not recommended Germany. Go to Netherlands,Switzerland,Uk,Norway
Besides English language being used in the Netherlands, would you mind sharing what other positives the Netherlands has over Germany?
@@wrestlingterrier8366 to know it you should live. So many advantages
German job ads for programmers too often demand cs degrees and fluent german language but pay poorly. In USA degrees matter far less than skill. But there are many good things about germany.
Poorly? In a median of 100K, is it poor for you? Excuse us, Lord Edward, that we don't meet your standards.
Im saying that they want a nongerman to be a good programmer, have a cs degree, and speak fluent german and they want to pay not very much for all that. In the USA we reward talent first, then maybe a degree, maybe in cs and we are lucky that most everybody knows english. Very few ppl know german outside germany
My youngest kids took german through high school, had a german nanny when they were toddlers, take german in college, took german lang classes in munich for 4 weeks this summer and they still dont know it well enough to go to college there. My older daughter has lived there for 3 years total and is still maybe b2. Her husband is a programmer but he works for an american company remote and speaks no german. I want germany to be a strong modern economy but german employers and until recently the govt are not flexible enough or realistic about their situation.
In US you also need the languages
but not german@@jusebacho
rigid
simple answer to the title of this video, NO, racism is getting higher and higher. It doesn't matter how professional you are , if you are not german you are pushed to fly away.
I also think the more media tries to fight racism, the more racism is here. People don't like to be told what they must to do.
Surprisingly for me, older generation is more inclusive and polite to me (ofc some exclusions), but young one put you in the box according to your passport and will treat you accordingly.
My Korean American friend treated much better than me here, because he got "superior" citizenships. The same goes for Taiwanese.
Mainland China don't enjoy this priviledge at all, because they seem to be inferior to developed West
As someone that married a German and has been trying to integrate its mostly the system. I have faced very little racism from Germans. Its mostly just the system that makes you feel rejected. I studied in a very good Highschool, taking all possible extra classes, including first aid, psychology and world religions. However I didn't take enough foreign language courses. So Germany says I am a Middle school dropout. And Germany's school system is so elitist that the moment you are not "university material" you are a dum dum that maybe might make it as a cook, warehouse worker, driver or whatever job the general German culture doesn't want to have. Germany is great if you want to live in a place with less crime, (though its getting bad, I have bad experiences in Koln) and with a basic salary and medical care. But the odds of you rising up above the path that the German government assigns to you are so so so low. If you are a visionary don't come to Germany...
Thank you, an extremely educated comment, - `the system`
Disagree, you have to approve your Highschool diploma through ZAB. Why won’t you do that?
Hi, thanks for the comment but I wanted to ask you what's wrong with koln? If you could tell please, as I am planning to pursue my masters there. I thought It was a good city.
@@ben8133 Nothing is wrong with Köln, some people like to complain. Germany is most generous country. Greetings from Germany from foreigner
@@ben8133 everything is fine with Koln, I live in that city to this day , there is a big difference between living here and just finishing your education as I did .
Looking for cheap labour workers is already discrimination dressed up as openness, which you could experience in some environments in Germany. The language for example. One thing is a language level that allows you to survive, and one other is to being able to discuss intellectually with somebody. If you can’t speak fluently you probably will not be taken serious. Even if you know the topic and have knowledge to make your point. If it doesn’t sound convincing it will not be heard. Some people can feel discriminated if they are not heard. Discrimination works at many levels, and the language is not an exception. Even positive discrimination is a daily thing in Germany. I can only say, if you are looking for just a job, probably better paid than your home country, but low (depending the area you specialize) in Germany it worth to try it. But if you are looking for an experience with development of your skills, engage with the culture you live in, participate, expand, and grow I would not recommend it. Germany is a place to shut your mouth, put your head down, obey and work hard. It is not openness it is a limited tolerance what you will experience.
it's not only cheap labour. Some of these jobs, like the electricians they mentioned in the video, are paying really well
When I landed in Berlin (first time in Europe), I was so surprised that my colleagues in IT department were all (except one older German) from much poorer economies; e.g. Cuba, Russia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Zimbabwe, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Iran, Turkey, etc. I kept wondering where are the Aussies, the Japanese and the Americans? Why don't they move to Germany? Apparently they do, if they have some specific or personal reason like because of a family member or they are here for short term.
Germany is only a decent country to move to a better place. Is food good here? No, the imported food culture is good. The weather? No AC in scorching hot summers and 4 months of solid freezing temperatures. Is life 26/7? No, they tend to close whenever they want on top of holidays and weekends. Do you enjoy talking to people here? Good percentage of conversation is about reminding each other of what is illegal to do. Can you choose your apartment from 100 of options and filter out where exactly you want to live? No, housing crisis is ongoing for many years. Only work and employment rights is really good here, the rest are trade offs. Oh we have plenty of strikes, from airports to trains.
@@MrTohawk if you maybe read what I wrote, I did say "depending in which area you work". But your lack of text interpretation doesn't finish there. If you also read, you might understand that "only working" is NOT a fully developing life for many. It is also about how you can BE PART OF, EXIST, EXPRESS, DEVELOP independent from ONLY WORK, in a culture. That is what at least I consider part of "life quality".
Bro, Am from uganda kindly I there any genuine agency which you would recommend to someone to use to go to Germany. Coz we are jobless. Thanks@@SonnyDarvish
How crazy would that be if we treated people like human beings with intelligence, dreams and ambitions.
I knew it. Someone will be interviewed whose name is Nguyen.
😂😂😂
You reminded me of Mailab. She said no one knows how to pronounce my name, then she explained it is like Nürn in Nürnberg.
Theyre eveywere!I prefer them over other asian ethnicity.
@@noezyks6652 I guess I am encountering racism now.
@@rollingdownfallingthe real pronunciation of Nguyễn is quite far from Nürn, but it's impossible for Germans to get it right
I am a software developer. As for discrimination in the housing sector I confirm it. I have been experiencing it myself, not able to find an apartment for already 6 months. It is absurd. My German colleagues easily find within a month. Some agencies even ask to provide your nationality when you fill in blanks. Looking for a way to leave this damn place.
I remember hearing that after decades the Goethe Institute in my hometown in Brazil was closing its doors, so I guess that wasn't only there where this is happening.
All people are equal and welcome, no question, but people in Germany seem so tight on their money that nobody can make big leaps… instead of paying people more to make jobs attractive, Germany rather looks for policies to get workforce in, that has not as high expectations regarding salary and work place conditions as the people being there already. Does that make sense?
Every country in the world needs to attract talent at attractive rates. The US has the H1B visa for that purpose. There is nothing particular about Germany. As an employer, you want young professionals who want to grow with the company.
@@j.erickson8571 yeah but not every country is worth wasting my youth on. I moved to Canada, even though cost of is quite high compared to salaries, I do enjoy my life overall. I’m African, and feel very included in many aspects of the culture here. Canadians are quite friendly and employers will give back respect
@@simba8665 Yes, Canada is also a great country. But Germany is way better. I am delighted that I managed to live here in Germany. Only some things are about money or costs. Nothing compares to Europe's architecture. Everything you see here has hundreds of years. It adds a nice feeling to it.
@@j.erickson8571 I appreciate your take, you probably know better than majority of people on these comments who don’t have 1st hand experience. I actually do think Germany might have better health systems and work-life balance for employees compared to Canada. What they need is better migration systems. And digitizing things instead of involving too much paperwork in simple things.
Well they throttle the Ausländer. Money is flowing in 100% ethnic German management level.
The racisme, sarcasme and discrimination in germany work places is out of Hand. Its not a cliché, it’s a truth, a fact!
If You want to Save your Soul from a painful experience don’t come here. Word ! The money is not even worth it, there nothing to do hier beside work !
I just migrated to Germany from the USA to complete an apprenticeship in an in-demand Handwerker field. I speak German C1. My experience was a disaster.
The behavior of anyone further up the hierarchy to subordinates was truly appauling. From the construction managers, to the boss to the vocational teachers. Even well intentioned German coworkers were completely ambivalent to supporting me. Hours were exploitive too, with the Freizeitsausgleich work model essentially forcing people to work 50 hours every week.
I must say, it was worse than the similar jobs I did in the USA in poor, republican states. And even as the most privileged minorty I could possibly be (white German-looking, German-speaking American) I still felt discriminated against; for ex, I was repeatedly humiliated by a further up for wearing a yellow rain suit in stormy weather.
The lower class Germans suffered the same, but systemic racism absolutely exists here. My coworker from Afghanistan was treated TERRIBLY. The boss would casually say racist insults to him, degrading his intelligence. He was unfairly skeptical about any needs my Afghani coworker had, for example screaming at him for not being able to make quotas on the sandblaster when they were impossible and breaking his body.
I love Germany, but someone's gotta politicize these exploited minorities so they can make their voices heard - and expose their nasty bosses. Otherwise, it seems Germany's progressive liberalism is no better than places like Idaho or Utah - really sad.
I have a German friend who told me that they can also be racist towards people from other parts of Germany. She told me that she once experienced a mobbing for speaking like a Prussian.
So sad...your Afghani Co worker should have yelled at his Boss...He would not loos anything...I had a Boss in Germany and I wouldent even let him to talk even louder than me...
@@paulyb7267I don't know what a Prussian is supposed to sound like since Prussia doesn't exist anymore but yes, regional racism is strong in Germany. Especially eastern people often hate the west and Bavaria just hates everyone xd
Come to France, it is much worse here in terms of bullying and discrimination.
restaurant and service workers, sure.. i myself worked as a chef here for about 5 years, and the sector is insanely toxic. not racist, but insanely old fashioned in terms of unpaid overtime, no bonus pay whatsoever, and in general just modern slavery. that being said, everything is preferrable to being bombed i guess.
besides that, germany has the second highest tax burden in the whole of the eu.. if u can go somewhere else. not even locals with proper training can afford property. wouldnt recommend.
What about being emotionally repressed? No feelings being shown, no hug, no touch, no affection, no set heart and passion in what you do. Welcome to Coldmany!!!!
They are fairly nice to White Mexicans and South Africans. But not to Chinese PhD student and Indian SAP developer. It is about race race race.
The country is not open and the society is not welcoming. Do not lie to people abroad.
Don't go to Germany. It is one of my biggest life mistakes. Unfriendly people, creepy old apartments, hard language, limited career options. Poor service, poor infrastructure
Look USA, immigrants kids are CEOs of many great companies. I have never meet a foreigner or their kids being boss in Germany.
We save to move to Australia. Warm weather and way more relax people. If not possible than Canada
Thats important moment, immigrant children has less possibilities since school, because they can't go to gymnasium and study.
If they try to do it, it will take many years and effort, but its still filtering based on ethnic and financial background at 4th grade.
I met many talented people who were sent to Realschule, only because their background didn't please teacher
Really?
Presuming that you were able to find aparment here in the first place. It can be a huge struggle on its own.
Germany wants you to want to come here but once you went through the troubles of accommodating yourself you will see that the country has done absolutely nothing to help you in the process, it is quite the opposite. They need cheap labour, it's all.
Make English more acceptable like other Nordic countries
Haha yeah...the problem is the Germans don't speak 10% of English so how would it help?
Learn the German language!!!
@@elizabethabele3039 how you will make world learn German.
They need to build their service sector.
Manufacturing will be done by china india Vietnam Indonesia
They speak english better than people in england,just they refuse to speak it !@@sweden_is_xxxx
Nope.
If you wanna work and life here, learn the language. PERIOD
Discrimination is a serious problem in Germany. This is the 21st century.
Terribly sorry.
er......Don't go there ..! Simple solution. Maybe your home country is better ?😂😂
After hearing about several accounts of discrimination and slow bureaucracy in Germany, I decided to go to the Netherlands for study. Ended up facing multiple counts of discrimination in the uni itself.
After an incident of being followed and chased by Dutch teens through Utrecht, I decided to move to Dusseldorf for my internship. Getting an internship was difficult, but getting housing was less challenging than in Germany. What followed was a gruelling 6 months where I was kicked out of my housing by the landlord, had to live in multiple hostels, living out of a backpack, sometimes spending the night in the street or with German colleagues (because I was often refused stay in hostels because of the colour of my skin).
Living on the street, I became fluent in German. Homeless, & poor Germans are less racist and more welcoming lol. At the end of my internship, I got a job in Cologne. By then, I had enough and decided to leave. Europe is not for non-whites.
Currently living in the UK, things are much better for me. Despite the high cost of living, and other social issues. Europe seriously needs massive people-oriented change.
You can find job in Germany, also in IT or business..but you will not get the same money as your german colleague, even you are more skilled.
One tipp = to have a german sounding name and know perfect german language with accent of your location in Germany.
Well still have to put photo in CV and nationality as well. Won't help that much.
And tasks I get either ones my colleagues can't do or don't want to do
Love the gas lighting by Germans when it comes to discrimination, they are so convinced that they just cannot discriminate people
Strange last year 357,000 people asked for asylum. Since 2015 about 2,000,000 from over a hundred nations. There must be a reason.
If they want to survive, then should. Rest their wish
@@hansmoss7395 Thes are mostly desperate incels who lost out in the polygyny game in their homelands, with absolutely nothing to lose.
@@hansmoss7395their reason is the bubble they have in their head. Everyone thinks this is the perfect country, until they arrive here and decide to choose another country.
@@hansmoss7395How many of those were fleeing from poverty-stricken, war-torn countries or straight out dictatorships?
Day 3 as a student in Uni Frankfurt, way back in 2008. Went to a career fair with a Ukrainian friend. HR people at the desks TOTALLY ignored my then intermediate German, but engaged in very friendly manner with my English speaking Ukrainian friend. While I was asked to apply using online apprication page, 2 min later the Ukrainian got visiting cards.
I knew what was in store for me in Germany.
I am a skilled worker with a phd in pharmacy specializing in oncology . Everytime i go to ausländer behoder , they treat me like a criminal . I studied and lived in three other countries and none were like this . But day to day life is ofcourse less troublesome
I worked in Germany for 7 years. 5 years in Rostock and 2 years in Berlin. I was working in academic institutions in Germany (Rostock University and Charite Medical Center, Berlin). I was working on neurodegenerative and neurodevelopmental disorders and did a lot of research in the research laboratories. I have to admit that I really enjoyed working in Germany. My experience working in Germany was simply superb. My boss in Rostock was simply the best boss that I ever had, and my second boss in Berlin was great too. The only problem I had in Germany was learning German language. It is a difficult language. I still do not know how to use der, das, die. Maybe it is because I speak already three languages, and additional language might be problematic to learn. One thing that Germany needs, is to bring more and more academic and high skilled people, for example scientists, researchers, engineers. In addition, they need to create more stable research positions in academia. Research positions like staff scientist or research scientist positions simply do not exists in German Universities. So, imagine a person with 30 or 40 research papers and the person is still a postdoc. Another problem is that after you completed your PhD in Germany, you have 6 years to work in academic institution. If after 6 years you were not able to find a tenure position, you can not work in academic institutions. This is the reason why we have so many German scientists in the USA. Tenure position/s in German Universities simply do no exists. Overall, I had a wonderful time in Germany and I never experienced any discrimination, or racism toward me in Germany.
Is there a institute you would recommend for someone with an undergrad in Microbiology, looking to go to Germany for studying/ doing research on neurodegenerative diseases?
@@cookies3905 Hello. I am neuroscientist, and electrophysiologist. With regard of neurodegenerative diseases, there are some excellent centers that exists in Berlin, Goettingen, Freiburg, Heidelberg, Bonn, and in Munich as well. For example Charite Medical Center, University Medical Center Hamburg-Eppendorf, and of course Max Planck Institute for example for Brain Research or Max Planck Institute for Medical Research that studies neurodegenerative disorders.
@@cookies3905 Yes, there are some excellent Institutes in Berlin, Munich, Freiburg, Heidelberg, Goettingen, Frankfurt, Leipzig, Mainz. There are a lot of groups that are working on neurodegenerative diseases, for example in Charite Medical Center in Berlin, or in Max Planck Institutes.
Academia is not a "real" job. And your lab was anyway 80% Chinese Indian Romanian Arab. Try entering Banking in "multicultural" Frankfurt.
I am german and I feel discriminated in Germany...being discriminated and feeling discriminated are two different things.
Yes, because you hate yourself, you keep posting (repeating) the howls of the right-wing extremist AfD.
I have been discriminated, due to my poor German, Dr. denied my treatment.
Although it is one rare scenario
@@deesiInGermany being racist is not okay, but to be fair, as medical doctor maybe he really couldn't trust that he could make a correct diagnosis if he doesn't understand you. Patient - doctor communication usually is a huge part of diagnosing
@@deesiInGermany I went to two Dentists in Germany. Both of them were very nice. This was because despite the Health Insurance I was willing to pay them in cash to get priority treatment.
They were extremely nice, friendly and courteous with me.
But both of them destroyed the tooth they worked on. One required a root canal which eventually failed and I had to get it redone from some other place. Other one required a cavity to be filled, which came out after a year and a half.
So they are very nice if you give them money. When the Germans know that they can benefit themselves from you, then they will always be nice to you, irrespective of your skin color or race.
😒
I knew this Asian American girl 20 years ago. She told me a story about how she loved German culture and she spent years learning the language.
Eventually, she convinced her parents to host a German exchange student at their house so they can learn from each other. They enrolled in a host family program and had a German girl fly over who stayed at their house for three days only to immediately leave after complaining to her parents that she'd rather stay with real Americans (or at least the version of Americans she had in her head).
To top it off, I don't think the girl I knew lost her love of Germany despite that experience which makes her a better person than many. Decades later, I still think about that story whenever the topic of Germany comes up lol
“ i still think about that story whenever i meet Germans lol..”. I feel you 😂
1 person = 80 million people, naturally
Germans don't seem to give a f of typical asian tiger moms or helicopter parenting
@@kreight_ There are only 80 million of you? You're more endangered than I thought lol
@@jamestk656 ok. No point arguing with a big brained person like yourself
This country is very old fashioned. Old buildings, bureaucratic services. When you enter country, you notice that country is the full of with older people.
Answer : Don't come ! ( easy ? )
@@2msvalkyrie529Er sagt nur seine Meinung lass ihn.
Germany is a good place to work but foreigners considering moving there should also be aware that they will be excluded from many areas of society. As in the past, Germany badly needs foreign labor today but they should also know their place. It's that way.
Sorry, but your not going see a whole of immigration in Germany. In fact your going see the reverse many skilled German workers are going leave for America. This happen in the 1840's it will happen again.
@@aslammighty8835 Also those english speaking countries tend to be more open to socialize in comparison to Germany so find your place as an immigrant could be easier.
Just curious. Why do they need foreign labour? Can these jobs be not filled by Germans? Or is it that Germans don't want to do those jobs?
The hilarity of a multicultural society demanding that you learn German. I for one am pro assimilation but the current system of multiculturalism poisons peoples attitudes towards immigrants as there truly is no pressure to assimilate in a world where a lot of people can live permanently online.
I think Germany has the same Catch 22 problem like most other countries: If you want to get a working visa, you need an invitation to work from a local company. But all local companies want you to have a working visa first, in order to work for them.
@@madapro03 we have found long staying appartement hotels , in which you can register, as "home". Then you can open a bank account and make a work contract.
But the negative intention is given by the whole mechanism: "Don't come here" (or just as a nurse to care the elderly)
That is NOT this video is about. The video is about racism and hostilities. Not chicken / egg Visa situation.
Never lived in Germany, but I like the fact that DW talks about discrimination. In Quebec (Canada) discrimination is widespread especially at the workplace but Quebecers never acknowledge that. If you express concern about discrimination they will go after you even more.
The biggest problem is the language barrier. Most of jobs in Germany require German which is natural but there are currently numerous unemployed foreign IT engineers in Berlin struggling to find jobs whereas the demand in IT skills is high.
I was told yesterday: In the real life they don't want skilled workers from abroad at all, because these workers don't have the same papers, german experience etc. And that is not normal for them, so it makes a lot of problems, exceptions, their IT systems can't handle it by recruiting so they don't want that.
@@ap46723
Thank you for sharing.
Interesting, but not surprising in a way. In France, you will encounter the same language and cultural barriers in French companies.
Less salary, high living cost, no rent or extremely high rent. Language and company corruption rejecting non eu without any reason. Germany company getting profit from immigration but life is pathetic for high skill Indian in Germany
The main problem is that there are NO ACADEMIC BENCHMARKING. A US company can never reject an immigrant with degree from Harvard or Princeton. In Germany, you can be a Grad from Heidelberg or TU Munich, it matters zilch in corporate job market.
It is not the rise of the far right, it is the ancient unending bureaucracy, lack of openness by Germans, and underdigitalization. These things made me and most other of my international classmates in a German University decide to just go elsewhere, where we could get our work permits done, our qualifications recognized, and started working in two months (in germany, if your work permit is processed in less than one year, it is considered FAST)
Day 3 as a student in Uni Frankfurt, way back in 2008. Went to a career fair with a Ukrainian friend. HR people at the desks TOTALLY ignored my then elementary German, but engaged in very friendly manner with my Ukrainian friend. While I was asked to apply using online apprication, 2 min later the Ukrainian got visiting cards.
I knew what was in store for me.
This is basically a depleting process of emerging nations
@yasserm.dhouib9488 it is. Not sure why Vietnam is for this.
@@mnkwazi
Remittances (sent back home)
Well, I'm an Expat living in Germany and I can tell the issue of Discrimination is not a perceived one, it is very real..
So why do you stay there if it's SO bad?
Which state u live in Germany?
@@jansoltes971it’s people like you... Every human being is entitled to be treated fairly and w/ decency no matter where they live. It’s 2024. Get with the program.
@@JonTodt775 Does not matter. I am fluent in German and hold German nationality. I faced racism in every single step, from rental to labour market to dating. I moved to Luxembourg last month.
@@1rich14 I think he wanted to justify racism if the location is East Germany, with comments like "what else did you expect". In reality entire Germany is equally racist.
Its not just about attracting new talents, its also about keeping the ones that already came. Recent report indicate Germany is the country where foreign workers are the most depressed. This is very hard to stay long in Germany
Is this because of super high taxes??
Good let them leave
@@mr.centrist5789that's the problem .😂
Where you will get nurses, doctors, ingenieurs, IT people from? Germans are not many enough to do all the jobs... Maybe you don't see this yet
@@ap46723 yeah that's the problem. And you think making Germans a minority is the solution. Germany is not just an economic zone. 😂
@@Titanesses Forget about him. I was living in UK during Brexit time, there are millions of people like him. They see non-nationals as a threat, not an opportunity. After Brexit all non-nationals, inlcuding me, left UK and now UK is in the worst situation since WW2, but people like Mr Centrist will always refuse to see this.
Bringing in more people doesn't seem logical when the job market in Germany isn't readily open to immigrants. Many graduate students, even with C1 German proficiency, struggle to secure good jobs. It's not just about attracting them; the focus should be on retaining talent since, ultimately, they may come but often have to leave. It's about keeping them in the long run.
Germany wants specialists training by OTHERS working at rock bottom salary in Germany. So an English speaking SAP developer from Infosys with only a Bachelor from India would be more welcome than Uni Stuttgart Computer Science grad with C1 German level. The Infosys guy will be preferred as well for his low exit opportunity. He will be in a deadend technical role for rest of his life.
My work experience in Germany was pathetic, never going back there.
I went to report a crime at the police station. I asked, “Sprechen Sie Englisch?” I got replied, „Das ist Deutschland“ over the intercom.
The same they say here in France as well 😂
Well, they are not wrong. The country's official language is German, not English. So they don't have the obligation to speak any other language. I moved to Germany last year and so far I haven't seen people refusing to speak English, even in the public sector.
@@Ausknutz but Ausländerbehörde Staff doesnt speak english. They speak only german. How can an expat speak german if He is fresh New in Germany ?
@@Ausknutzso no one at the whole police station could speak English? or they just dont want to?
There is no such thing as open society here in Germany. German may be welcoming to people but they are very much adamant or even closed off to newcomers and newcomers, despite having the language skills, cannot just shift their mindset to the germanness of the german (I can't explain but if you live here, you know what I'm talking about). Overall, I am happy to be here with the life that I built with my partner. Nowhere is perfect sure, but living in Germany has given us so much that we could possibly need in terms of basic necessities such as health care, education, worker's rights, etc. and for that I am forever grateful. But there's a caveat here, it does attract people who want to be basic, mediocre, and would demand so much for nothing that they could give back (Just look at the never ending strikes. Workers demand for more but nothing has been improved to give back to the end users wtf?). So yeah, what can I say. Do I like it here? Yes. Do I recommend people to come? Absolutely!
The strikes are because hard working Germans have to pay a third of their income to these socialist benefits (mainly for immigrants and old people)
The keword is the word: BASIC.
So Germany treats you at legally the lowest level. Proves the point of racism and exclusion.
If you want to attract Neurosurgeons, then actually treating him like a nurse with "everything else taken care of, by social welfare safety net", is not enough. People want reward proportionate to their effort.
Problem happens when foreigner neurosurgeon seeks a flat in German upper middle class nrighbourhood.
dont go to germany you would regret it
The Vietnamese who are in Germany today are mostly workers imported from North Vietnam to the DDR, in the spirit of socialist cooperation, comrade. So there is really nothing new about going to Vietnam to source labor.
As much as I like Germany and would love to visit or even live there, your model seems broken. If you need to take in 400k immigrants per year, how could that ever be sustainable? Keep in mind that these immigrants will not remain on the same job their whole lives and if they settle, they'll eventually form families and have more educated children prospecting the same middle class lives as the natives, thus compounding the problem.
Are you considering guest worker programs instead, where the immigrant worker stays for a fixed period of time and then goes back home?
All this immigration and they can't seem to land the people for the jobs they have urgent needs for. We're eating their lunch in the US by sniping all the top tech talent from abroad. I'm in tech and there is ZERO chance I'd go to Germany or recommend anyone in my industry to go to Germany. No upside for moving to Europe if you're in tech. If anything, we're seeing German talent come to the US. Had plenty of Germans in my last big studio and we contracted German artists in Germany since they were so cheap compared to their US counterparts.
most immigrants leave on their own. especially the ones with skills. of your a engineer, doctor or coder there are literally 100+ better coutries then germany and according to the german goverment they seem to figure it out quite fast because the vast majority leave.
This guy saying that “perceived discrimination and abuse” doesn’t mean the people actually experienced discrimination speaks for itself and shows why this discrimination isn’t going to go away any time soon.
Step number one to make things better is to believe vulnerable people’s experiences! Otherwise nothing will ever change.
imagine this headline... that is the saddest thing i read in a long time - and that will say a lot - crazy to think about it. the biggest fascist country of the world once "still" is unfortunately discriminating foreigners who try to collaborate.... Ridiculous , sad!
Have you heard of the scientific study of shocking the lab mice while feeding them? Where the scientists discovered that 2 generations later, the sound of shock still scared the mice. Genes change much faster than they thought. We aren't that many generations away from the atrocities.
Yeah, good luck to all going to Germany: high living expenses, high rents, high taxes, mediocre health care system for most people on the mandatory health care plans and to top it off: mediocre to low income levels for highly skilled professions.
I left Germany almost 8 years ago, working in the US since then. I'd never consider going back. *shudder*
So it is not worth it to be in Germany
The US is only better if you value money above all else.
This is an accurate description of Germany
@@marshmallowcello7528 Typically, I would value a higher standard of living over a lower standard of living. The US provides me personally - and many others like me with a higher standard of living.
Everything is relative. In the US, the main problem for me is the guns. Something that, personally, is a no-go for me. I took a taxi in Houston, Texas, at 8:30 PM (a very ordinary evening), and the taxi driver told me: "It doesn't matter how much money you can make here if someone can just shoot you in the face for nothing." Was he wrong?. The next day, some thugs killed an Australian jogging in the morning.
Just look at we Asians in the US. Racism is the last thing in our list of things to worry about. Like an English saying "out of sight, out of mind," we don't dwell too much into something that someone says mean thing to us
So basically you admit that racism is rampant in Germany. (Your therapy strategy being "suck it up")
Except in US you will be an American once you get citizenship while in Germany you will forever be a foreigner.
Skilled workers should not have to put up with that kind of treatment in Germany. Let Germans figure it out. The amount of time, money and sacrifice you have endured to gain your skills is not worth being a shadow worker for someone else. Stay in your home country, less money but with dignity and family values rather than go to Germany where the people wish you would fade into the shadows from their view, but do the work they won't do.
not sure, im here about 8months and its tough to find a job. they want you to know german first
Racism and discrimination in Germany are very subtil.
They are very direct with discrimination
Germany is getting more and more discriminatory. Wages are not satisfactory compared to other industrialized countries. Highly educated professionals don’t choose Germany. Germany has not caught up with the digitalization. One single American car(Tesla) market capitalization is more than twice than all the great cars of Germany combined.. But the biggest problem Germany faces now is the hostile treatment of immigrants..
Two thirds say they have experienced racism and dude is talking about "perceived" racism ?!?
Brushing racism under the carpet is what Government mouthpiece DW does.
Anyone who doesn't get a job or promotion or served with a smile in shops : It's Racism....!!!
I agree it should be easier, and countries need to be friendlier... Western countries need immigration because of our falling birthrates.
That being said, it's easy to criticize some countries though....
I wonder how they treat foreign workers in places like India, Asia, Africa???
I've heard nothing but horror stories!
In Canada, they "claim" there are shortages in some areas and "NEED" foreign workers to fill them, but once an Indian or Philippine person etc. get's in to a hiring position, they DON'T hire Canadians or anyone not of their nationality!
EVER!
I agree with you. Declining birthrates are the problem of developed countries. Pension, healthcare, education, and all benefits are needed to be fulfilled by taxes paid from workers that fill the vacancy gap. And the same discrimination happens too in other countries as expats and as local competing workforce.
Its hard to find apartment here in Germany....And when you find one....its not sure if you will be the one to get that apartment.
lol 30,000 there is no way it's that low were talking about 1 million unregistered people in the country right now.
It's virtually impossible to deport
illegal immigrants from Germany ! !?
Human Rights ...blah, blah...etc
I lived in Germany for a year, but sadly I saw the racism quite common occurring to many people.
Why did you stay ??
@@2msvalkyrie529to complete my study plan.
@@2msvalkyrie529 to complete my studies that paid already
Germany has enough working force but its social system doesn't encourage people to work. Germany high taxation to working Labor force is not attraktiv either cause the more you work the more you pay taxes, so many people prefere to work 4 days or to not work at all.
If someone able to resist the discrimination and rasicm in germany ,he /she can make it. However I guess it is so difficult to live for long period in germany as a foreigner since there is a wild discrimination and unfriendly german behaviour. I have seen many foreigners leave germany after a while stay due to this environment.
Good they should leave
@@mr.centrist5789😂 I think germany will hurt when these skilled graduated students leave the country . They come from abroad they study for free but due to wild discrimination then they move to other better places/countries . For them it is win win but for Germany it is loss..your country is running by immigrant , germany factories elderly care system and engineers for the main economic engine is held by immigrant , trust me if all these immigrants leave germany, it will be the first country to collapse. But I do really wish this to happen then Germans learn how much valuable these immigrants mean to their economy.
My uncle (polish) works there in building sector for more than 20 years already and when he goes home for vacation he gets tens of calls when he will come back because the clients want him specifically to work for them. He says Germans treat him normal, same as in Poland but they pay more 😂
My brother has been there for some time with his wife as a mechanic. Doesnt know much german nor english but he said he was treated nice and very needed and that they appreciated his work.
Never expercienced bad treatment.
It's contrasting when you hear peoples experiences from Britain.
Well one thing to mention is that polish are europeans 😅, which of course don't experience much racism like we asians.
Why would a European that is more white than the Germans, and they learn German at school or know it from living at the border, complain in a comment section of a news piece about racism from all over the world living in Germany. It is beyond me. I don't understand it.
@flyingpenguin574 or people from the Middle East, Africa, Latin America, India
My boss(es) also want me stay here and me to work for them. Still doesn't change the fact that I'm ignored and not included, unless we talk about my work results. Not even saying bye / hello, just like I don't exist beside my work.
And about Polish I heard jokes "Is it stolen? " so may be your uncle ok with it, or never heard it
The first discrimination is obviously can ben seen at Ausländerbehörde offices. They should hire more open-minded staff. Those who don't judge newcomers by German language skills, skin colour, and ethics.
Absolutely right. I remember the first time I went there in 2018 in Düsseldorf, I picked a ticket and chose "English" out of many other languages on the screen. When my turn came & I started talking in English, the young lady didn't even bother to listen to my question, interrupted me and said something like we're in Germany, we speak German and I can't help you today cuz we're understaffed, either you bring a translator or take another appointment (Termin) in the next 6-8 weeks.😂
I still remember that dinasour, and that was my first contact to the German Multiculti Monster.
Btw I'm a doctor, and at that time I had a Language-Student visa !!which means I obviously couldn't use German YET.😂
Immigrants outrageous sense of entitlement is biggest problem.!!
Plus they quite openly say how they despise German language and Culture . But they demand to be treated like valuable guests ???
The biggest problem is finding a decent apartment or house
Languages is not a problem in Germany..Racist and discrimination is the big problem..
I wish requirements for public transport drivers were simplified. At the moment there is a high demand on them, but one must have a German driver's licence for two years in order to get the job in Germany. I have been studying German for 3 years. I may continue, but it won't help me.
In other words: "immigrants come to Germany and complain about Germans and the German language".
And their horrible attitude of always saying things like you just did. Maybe you should leave the country because you're making it worse.
They didn't have to go far for this report. They could have just interviewed this presenter.
Absolutely true. and there is no one to call for help when you are discriminated. Wish I knew before it happened to me in Germany.
OMG no! Unpaid overtime on a daily basis, RUN while you still can!!!!!
Ich habe mein Deutsch in 1,5 Jahren bis zum C1 Niveau verbessert, habe zwei Diplomen, ein davon BWL, möchte natürlich hier wieder alles von Unten beginnen, aber hier bin ich überqualifiziert UND erfahrungslos, sagen die Deutschen. Wie kann man mit der Arbeit hier anfangen? Wenn man keine Arbeit hat, kann keine Arbeitserfahrungen sammeln... Sie meckern über den Fachkräftemangel, aber sie geben keine Chance denen, die arbeiten möchten. Lieber lassen sie die Stellen unbesetzt.🤷🏻 Warum?
Sorry , I would have written it in english
There is always something to exclude you
Mein Freund es gibt ein kurdisches Sprichwort bezüglich auf Deutschland: in Deutschland suchst du Logik, bleibst du Ohne!
Das Land hat keine Logik es ist das Land der Paradoxie und Widersprüche. Genau wie die deutsche Sprache und Gesinnung 😊😊
In Bosnia Germany was praised as the holy land of wealth since the '70s.
Now it has lost that respect.
Yeah.....like Bosnia is better ??😂😂
@@2msvalkyrie529 in some aspects definitely. But that's not what im talking about dummie
Versuchen Sie auch, die Gebühren für internationale Goethe-Prüfungen zu senken. In Kerala, Indien, steigt die Zahl von Jahr zu Jahr und liegt nun bei 20.000 bis 25.000 Rubine. Es gibt Studierende, die die Prüfung mindestens 2-3 Mal absolvieren, um sie zu bestehen.
Perhaps Germany should just have more children 🤔..
The former Romanian president and dictator Nicolae Ceausescu also demanded this from his subjects. Only they would have preferred something to eat!
That this would be possible is an illusion of the right-wing in Germany.
That would be offending for child-free couples
yes and then handover them to Klaus Schwab 😂😂😂
@@uhwake how many times have you been dumped and divorced ? tell honestly 😂🤫🤫
Wages are just too low to compete with the US and Australia
Nooooo.....It is very atractive for toilet cleaners....
Living in Germany since 2020 and making about 75000 euro a year right now. Never faced any discrimination or even red tape. Yes it’s not that easy to make friends here randomly, but the guys from work are very friendly and genuine personalities. And I know a bunch of other expats who have a similar experience here.
I had this expereience too, then they know I won't date them and its over 🤣
The longer you stay here, the more you will realize disadvantages. Everything depens if you are able to find a decent apartment. Some foreigners are pretty lucky with this, but for many of us it's easily turning into nightmare. If you never faced any red tape, that means that you have EU citizenship, and that's a huge difference.
While you are earning a relatively high income, I would not generalize your lucky conditions, or impose your experience on others. Wishing you the best of luck!
Discrimination is true and generally you never feel welcoming from people in Germany as a foreigner.simply sad and ridiculous
It's a matter of where in Germany. Many Germans in the former East German states are not so happy about immigrants. Strangely enough though these love and welcome Vietnamese. Otherwise I find (as a someone with an immigration background) that most Germans are relaxed about immigrants with many robustly standing up for them. I also found that learning the language helped. Some Germans are uncomfortable with someone who doesn't speak their language and might react off-putting. One can get by with English for a while, but it isn't a good alternative for a longer stay in the country.
BTW, the mentioned complicated immigration laws are not unique to Germany. Pretty much the whole of the EU has complicated immigration laws.
And just to counter some of the misinformation further down below, Germany has one of the best and most affordable health care systems. Health care insurance is mandatory for everyone and fees are gauged to income.
Germany's mostly attractive to those from other European countries (mostly to Easter, Central, & Southern Europe both in the EU & not in the EU) & the Middle East.
Im a skilled worker and I don’t see any reason for staying in Germany. The culture is bad, working conditions bad salaries low and the living costs high
RACISM
Do Morocco and Vietnam not need their own skilled workers? Why train them up to be sent to Germany?
because their country does not offer the same opportunities?
If you really want to see blatant racism and discrimination, go to South Africa for work. The country has 141 active racial laws in the country. Many of which is aimed at the white minority in the country. Yet, the white South African population preserver, as they never believed in relying on the government. Those who are highly skilled rather leave for Europe or USA, but those who can't leave just have to make the best of the situation. People from other African countries who go to South Africa for work faces xenophobia and can even be attacked/killed.
Hopefully, everything will change if the ANC lose the 50% majority in 2024.
😂😂😂. Are you kidding?
It is no makes sense! there is two" Germanys", one Germany needs to skills people to help the development of country and other Germany that does not like foregner people working hard to improve the country. In my opinion it is insane !
My wife is 25% German blood,and I have observed that she is a racist.Imagine if she would be 100%.You can live in Germany from generations,and they would remember it and remind you about it.that you are from abroad.
I never faced discrimination in the Ausländerbehörde as pointed out by many here. Maybe I had an exceptional experience. But all the conversations I had were in English and it went smoothly even though I forgot some documents, I was able to provide the e-version of it.
Which field do you work in Germany?
@@JonTodt775 I'm a PhD student
I think we are good enough to respect the culture, i read a lot in our forum that when we work in Europe or Asia that we need to learn their languages, blend and study the culture, not into politics, pay taxes and use the money from the government for good.... Because yesterday Im surprised that some immigrants not working at all and use the money from the government just for playing everyday in their home wth
the problem is that people don't want to integrate into the German society amd don't even make the effort, that's why they always say "I'm not welcome here"
It's their choice!