Samsung 89-inch MicroLED vs 85" Mini LED TV Shootout at CES 2022 - WOW!
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Samsung put its new 89-inch MicroLED TV vs the company's 85-inch flagship 4K Neo QLED TV in a side-by-side comparison at CES 2022. There have also been improvements to the manufacturing process and LED chip size, which will hopefully bring the sky-high price down... eventually.
Besides 89 inches, Samsung's 2022 Micro LED TV is also available in pre-assembled sizes of 101 inches and 110 inches. The South Korean brand is continuing to position MicroLED as its highest-tier display technology ahead of QD-OLED.
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Micro LED is the absolute future. Its basically oled with more brightness and no burn in risk. Of course its going to blow any conventional LED LCD away.
I'm ready for it especially since i'm an OLED fan.
Yeah, and then, I think QDEL will be the last tech
you sure about no burn in ?
Not necessarily- oled tech is not standing still and with QD OLED we can see how closely it will match LED in brightness color volume and still to have edge in contrast. With heat sink becoming soon a standard in OLED tvs - that will also drastically decreases risk of burn in. In the end price will dictate what stays and what not - Samsung have ridiculous pricing for flagship models that trump best OLEDs. if they lower it they stand a chance otherwise there won’t be many prepared to spend that much
@@whitecrowuk575 QD OLED will replace LCD I think and WOLED
"...RUclipsrs who buy and return TVs on a weekly basis to produce content."
Sick burn 😂😂😂
I'm not even looking for a TV and just want to say your dedication to the industry is inspirational. I know it's just TVs, but your dedication to each video and the information you provide deserves way more subscribers than what you have.
i'm here for the sexual innuendo's.
I'm here mostly for sexual education. TV reviews don't hurt either.
You do mean the information that is bought and paid for ?. I mean are you telling me people who can afford tvs at this price actually watch youtube(i dont) as they will visit store or pay someone to get best for them.And his dig about RUclipsrs buying it and then taking back 2 days later.I was wondering how all the youtubers started in the game as not everyone can just go out and buy £3000 tvs etc.
@@Im_too_old_for_this_shit I have not watched the video yet and I found this channel today but I stand with this statement
@@robertcrawford1142 I feel like I can agree with something that you tried to say here, but there was so many things said back to back without context or transition or supporting vocabulary that I didn't really understand what u said or referring to lol.
I was about to comment that Micro LED seems like the endgame of TVs, then he said it himself
How about a rolling MicroLED Tv ?
Yeah honestly, it has the promise of all the benefits of other display technologies such as CRT, OLED, LCD, with none of the drawbacks, while exceeding them on just about every metric.
Black frame insertion + slot/dotmask CRT shaders on an OLED 'would' have been a perfect way to replicate the look of those older CRT displays except for lower peak brightness & burn-in risk. Micro LED addresses all of these issues, and if it becomes the market standard, I think even the retro-gaming crowd would finally be able to concede that display tech has achieved a net progression (except post-process effects to mimic CRT introduce latency but... I'll take it).
Well, there's still ways to go after that. And it's also looking like VR and AR will be common in a few years from now, so immersive gaming and movie watching and whatnot will also have a lot of room to grow in there.
@@thenonexistinghero those platforms seem a bit beyond the scope of 'TV Screen' but sure. It isn't related to tech which presents the picture of the display itself though. Though a 16K 360hz micro-LED VR headset may well be some kind of end-game in & of itself in another 15-20 years or so.
But then there's retinal projection technology which is probably the AR endgame so who knows.
Technology will progress with something better, it always does. I'd like to see more led alternatives explored.
4:15 shots fired 🤣🤣
If anyone buys Micro LED I think have no sense even if they are millionaire banker because the Micro LED TVs are first gen tech
Samsung should definitely keep doing micro. Once they can be afforded by normal people, they will overtake the market. It’s extremely bright, can do perfect black and has no burn in. DO IT
And still prone to breaking with modules replacement before a year is to be expected by its trained assembler.
It’s perfect black?
@@saucyx4 yes
@@MuhammadKharismawan is that actually a thing?
Anyway of course the tech has to be advanced and all.
@@Silentship98 I know what to get once I’m wealthy enough 😂
Micro LED seems Like the ultimate endgame in regards of TVS . I cant even Imagine what Coupe possibly bei added beyond that
After that, the next step would be holographic displays, which require ALOT more resolution.
Micro LED 2 duhh
@xXYannuschXx If you were to come into possession of a video with my Ex in it, I'd recommend you put it on the lowest resolution possible.
@@greendusk93 it's like saying PC 2 lol
Wouldn't something like self emissive quantum dot display be the next one. Or at least just as good vs microLED. The next step would be whatever can get you close to the color space the human eye can see.
Wow - now that is what I want!! Only have to wait like 10yrs for it make it to an affordable model.
Yep, can't wait myself.
This year I'm going to get a miniLED and be very happy with it until uLED is affordable.
What's your definition of affordable?
If you were to get a miniLED, which would you get?
Yeah it will take a long ass time
It's the Sony XR-65X95K miniLED for me
@@MostlyPennyCat Would prefer OLED over MiniLED
Those Micro LED displays looked amazing, it is very hard to capture with a camera, but in person the picture looks incredible, Samsung has been improving their micro leds and hopefully they make it affordable for everyone.
I don't think it will ever be cheap because you have to pay for millions of fully calibrated good quality RGB LEDs and a damn nice controller to control all of those individual LEDs to high brightness and control each sub pixel of any pixel alone for all of them.
A way to make them a bit cheaper would be using all LEDs blue and use a quantum dot color filter which is cheaper than RGB LEDs and easier to control them since they are all the same but would also not be as good as a pure RGB microled and will still not be exactly cheap...
why u didnt film in HDR????
@@guily6669 That'll be midrange in a few years. Really looking forward to affordable microled though.
@@BlackJesus8463 I don't think there will be any better display technology than pixels made of LEDs other than just using better LEDs, making them brighter...
It will surely get cheaper some day but paying for the many millions of LEDs I don't think will be much cheap ever, at least not as close as LCD or OLED...
@@guily6669 Hey man if QD-OLED can do it microled can do it.
Just got my first oled last year... I can wait for many years for micro LED to mature and go down in price while I enjoy my matured oled.
I’m in the same boat
@@Snskch3 yeh and nothing beats oled in terms of response time. Not even micro LED.
@@spacebarwasd9782 Actually microled should have even better respone time than oled
I've worked on this technology, when it comes for price you should expect it to be expensive for quite some time.
µLED diodes are made mainly with the help of Gallium Nitride material (GaN) which emits a blue light, this material can be changed a bit by injecting other chemical components like Arsenide to change the color to Green and Red (Red diodes are the hardest to make), the main problem is that the growth of Gallium Nitride material is very very slow and hard because the method used for growth is a bit complex and this material has much more physical problems or impurities than per example Silicon, trying to add another chemical element to change color only make it harder to get more efficient diodes with no problems.
at this moment, the main way for this technology to be easily available for the public is by mcuh smaller µLED displays (smart glasses, AR tech, Military HUDs...), from what I've heard I believe Apple will be the first company to make it available trough their smartwatches with this tech, the growth method for this material needs to be developed in order to make it cheaper.
So you can't just build more machines or whatever? lol
Hello and thanks for your input. It's always nice to hear someone who was directly involved in the development. I have a few questions if you don't mind.
1.) What's the life expectancy of the microLED diode compared to regular LED diodes used in contemporary LCD screens?
2.) Theoretically, can the screen be used with the same quantum dot layer as a regular VA matrix can, to improve it's color gamut and viewing angles even further?
3.) For how long will the market needs to wait before we see 65" microLED TV's at a same price as today LCD's? Do you have any approximation? My guess is probably around 15 years, because that's how long it took OLED to gain traction. What do you think?
That Linus burn tho! Haha
Well Linus kinda just uses the TV he's given than buying and selling them for content, He's famous enough to not need to do that anymore.
If I spend 130k on a tv it better have a lifetime warranty with replacement due to ANY damage for ANY reason lol
Only $130k? Put me down for 3.
Looking forward to smaller more affordable sets in the future.
We all want this 110" micro LED TV !
Amazon 1-click-buy...
why we watch this when 100% of us cannot afford these
1. The next logical step is to put three primary colors out of visible range and cover with such gamut-triangle all human retina possible colors.
2. Then make all primaries with 20-bit resultion
3. And finally transfer updates on 512-1024Hz on pixel-by-pixel manner to get rid of ancient (full frame update) frequency idea
THIS will be the Endgame of color representation for the flat surfaces. Like humanity finished the full coverage of the human audio channels.
All you have to do at the end is to build it as self-charging cloth :)
nerd
It is said in the video that they intend to use 20 bit processing on microLED, so there's that for now.
"It's only one big problem price" 😂
I would’ve guessed $20/35/50k for the big microLED tvs… just off by 100k😂😂😂. I’ll be right one day… in about 5-10 years. The day an 80” is 5k…
Idk maybe this year they are cheaper
4:16 Well, Linus didn't go through with the purchase 😉
DCI-P3 seems achievable by many displays now, so I hope that displays manufacturers will start sharing coverage of bt.2020, as that is much bigger and relevant for HDR content
Only neon lights need bt2020 to display accurately. Most of the real world object are not that saturated and there are more important specs for tv to deliver a better image.
With the microLEDs you can do much more - you can put all of R/G/B-primaries out of visible range and cover with such gamut-triangle all human possible colors.
Forget QD-OLED, Micro LED is the ultimate TV we all will be upgrading to in the future when the price is lower enough.
The price could be 10 times lower, and the vast majority of us, would still not be able to afford one. (it would be about 13k if it was 10 times lower)
MicroLED seems very impressive, especially when it comes to brightness and colour accuracy, but how about refresh rates, response times, ghosting, etc?
It's slower for now, current micro LED looks amazing, but it's not good for fast content.
@John Wick Have a look at this video ruclips.net/video/jb_FcABVkrg/видео.html
You're probably better off to wait for the QD OLED displays
microled response time is measured in nanoseconds compared to microseconds in oled. It has around 1000 times faster response time than oled. 1,000,000 times faster response time than lcd.
What about doing a QD-microled, i.e. using the same QD technology used in QD-OLED but using blue LEDs instead of blue OLEDs?
@3:54 ---- Shots fired at Quantum TV. QUANTUM TV - The Best Buy security guard, who pretends to be a trained TV calibrator.
he works at bestbuy? no wonder he gets early reviews of new tvs
I thought it was shots at Linus if anyone lol
"Expert"
@@emzor6301 That clown put out a video 2 weeks ago called: Most Returned TV Brand At Best Buy Today
MicroLED is the eventual successor to OLED. They're basically 100" reference monitors
It is a fusion of LCD and OLED. It has the blacks of OLED (minus the sh*tty low luminance), and the luminance of LCD (minus the blooming blacks). Best of both worlds.
Samsung's refusal to support Dolby Vision is idiotic. It would cost them six to ten dollars per unit. Yes, they claim they have something superior but just do both and take away the issue.
Yep, as great as their televisions can be, I still avoid them due to lack of Dolby Vision support.
Dolby had the worst audio Codec. I don't trust their quality of work for picture either. Watching movies in DTS has always been a far more pleasant experience than Dolby Digital. Don't even get me going on Dolby Pro Logic II. It was better to do just regular stereo!
I think I’d like to see more on specifically MicroLED vs QDOLED
Didnt Samsung’s Micro-Led use to be said to reach around 4000 nit in peak brightness (in marketing in the previous years) while the current Mini-Leds are marketed to reach around 2000 nits? No doubt they still look absolutely amazing compared to anything else, but just something that caught my eye in the marketing materials compared to what I’d remember hearing from previous years.
consequences of making them smaller. Those crazy 200" displays were able to do that but had severe reliability issues. The gaps in the modules was super noticeable also. More for commercial use.
To be honest u don't need more than 3000 nits (for human eyes ) . And even 2000 nits is enough for a large bright room
I thought that too. My 2016 Sony Z9D already does 2000 nits- I expect more!!
130 000 USD ... I miss the time when the 3 000 USD Sony XEL-1 was considered expensive.
Linus Tech Tips had a very interesting video about Micro-LED TV'S a few months ago as he wanted to buy one and have it installed. But for very concerning reasons the company he went through suggested against it and pointed out some pretty troubling flaws that are currently present in the technology. For starters the wall where the TV is to be installed requires a "level 5" wall finish where particular grade drywall is used, then they mud and sand the wall so it achieves a tolerable level of flatness so that the panels can be installed. This is so when the modular panels are interconnected the visible seam between panels is minimized. Another issue is that the panels require color matching as there is variation that is delectable to the human eye. And because individual panels fail, you must pursue matching replacement panels.
Now, this may not apply to large singular panels or fixed size TV'S, but the modular panels Samsung has demonstrated appear to be completely illogical at this point.
These are on stands.
who cares? Those are just prototypes anyway
Micro LED is like a legendary pokemon. I can only hear about it from time to time.
I have two oled's the lg EA9800 and a Sony A80J. I will be looking for another tv in 5 years. I hope this will be a somewhat affordable technology in the next 5 years. 2,000 is nits is insane. Dolby vision has to be glorious.
If Samsung starts doing Dolby Vision till then lol.
Wait for 2032 and it will be affordable for upper middle class guys like you , next five years QNED OLED will be the cheaper thing
How is that first generation LG OLED holding up?
I'm confused. Are the seams visible on those TVs that Samsung had on display, if you look close? I know you said that they are still modular and Samsung had them set to super bright, but it wasn't clear whether the seams are still visible.
Yeah you can see it from an off angle. You won't be able to tell when watching media though.
As long as it's modular, I have no interest
@@scottylans You sure it's not the $100,000 price tag?
@@BlackJesus8463 LMAO
@@scottylans why?
I can't wait for the price of MicoLED to come down like all great products. My next TV is going to be one that will bring home theater size to my living room to stream everything. Can't wait.
gonna be waiting 20 years lol
As much as I like Samsung’s new qd-oled I’m still hoping Samsung release a 64inch 4k micro led please Samsung support Dolby vision at ces 2023 don’t go full qd-oled
Too small. I'm waiting for 254" model. I'll finally replace my projector screen.
you got to love the mic drop and the end of his videos
I wonder if micro led would shrink down to a 55” tv. That would be the dream.
Don't know if they'll be able to shrink it that much, but wouldn't surprise me if eventually the get it down to 75". Maybe 65".
Is this the end all of tv technology? Once it can be any size, has no heating problems, and has a cheap price, what more could a screen ever do? It has the full vision spectrum covered, including true blacks, has more brightness than is ever needed, other than the possible input lag difference from OLED for gamers... I don't see anything left to improve.
Another downside to the tech in its current state, other than the cost, is power consumption. This thing apparently consumes an enormous amount of power, and it generates a shitload of heat. With last year's TVs, samsung was recommending dedicated circuits and a dedicated hvac system just for the display.
We are still many years away from these being viable for a normal home it seems.
As I understand it, microLED is more efficient than other display technologies, meaning its high power consumption is merely due to being bigger and producing a higher light output in absolute terms.
It is a fact that microleds are more efficient even than oleds so I don't know what you are talking about. They get very hot that'd true because they are so small and so bright at the same time. This will get better in the futurr
This is correct, currently these screens draw a lot of power. Can’t find info on the modules of this year, but last years modules had a max power draw of just under 200 W (with 9 modules used in a 110” screen). One would need some serious extra cooling not to turn the lounge into a sauna when switching on the tv. So you are right that power usage is a factor in getting this technology to (mainstream) market. But it has been coming down quite quickly, the first versions of The Wall used a lot more. And by their nature, LEDs are more efficient than OLEDs, so the end result will hopefully be a lower power draw than current technology.
These screen are not going mainstream anytime soon though and not just because of power draw. Pixel size and manufacturing are major hurdles yet to be tackled. By the time microLED is ready for market 8k will be the norm while currently 89” is the smallest we can make a 4k screen. 4k microLED at 55” will take a while, let alone 8k. And there will need to be a new way of producing microLED screens. Picking up each single LED from the silicon wafer and placing it on the screen substrate will never be able to compete with the way OLEDs are printed. Something new will have to be invented. OLED will have plenty more time to shine, I don’t see microLED going mainstream before the end of the decade. It is something nice to look forward to though.
Beautiful! Ready to put mortgage in my life :D
2000nits you better have all the lights in your room on, that is so insane bright!
Early adopters, do your thing! 😊 After that, can't wait to jump in in the near future.
got an ad featuring Vincent on his own video, lol
Really? Which TV brand?
All good but they need to get these microLED TV’s down to at least 65inch soon!
Is there a limit to how small of a display they can make? For displays smaller than 50" the micro led would have to become a nano led for a 4k display.
There are already some VR headsets using microLED displays, Apple is also rumored to use microLED this year for their AR/VR headset. It's definitely not limited to big sizes only.
He literally showed smaller devices using MicroLED in the video.
what about the LG 97"
I can't wait for MLED to be affordable. Hopefully by the time it's time for me to get a new TV. I'm willing to spend more than usual for that kind of TV, but €10K would still be too much for me. Needs to come down to at least €4K-€5K.
Hahahah that cheeky joke about footballers able to afford them.
Even the TVs are social distancing 🤣
Great overview :D
Being able to split it into 4 separate 44.5" 1080p screens with their own input is pretty cool
You're doing it wrong. The trick is to sit very far away with just the one stream.
@@BlackJesus8463 I don't even know how to reply to this lol. Do you not understand my comment?
@@JorisKeijser just kidding lol
I can't wait to get one in about 15 or so years
Is micro led safer than mini led for eyes' health? If so why they don't use micro led screens in laptops, monitors, phones, tablets, watches?
Excellent thanks Vincent
Looks like the perfect TV screen. Need to get the sizes and price down to reasonable levels though. Is there a reason they are so big? Is making smaller screens a problem with this tech at the moment? Or is it because it is the only way to recoup the R&D?
Making them smaller is a problem. It's very difficult to make LEDs that small and then place them all accurately into the correct positions without damaging them in the process. The higher pixel density, the harder it is.
That's why they're all modular at the moment. If a panel is 4 1080p panels glued together. Then if 1 of the 4 panels has a manufacturing defect, it won't ruin the entire panel, just that one quarter panel module.
They could make a smaller 89" version, because they were able to shrink the individual leds. At the moment this is the smallest they can make the leds. Smaller leds will cause more defects and have higher costs to produce.
Two things :
1. Vincent is surely waiting for a 200-inch TV with 3500 nits.
2. To be honest, I do not understand the need for 2000 nits. Already with 600-800 nits on my television, sometimes my eyes hurt when unexpectedly come out very bright images, for example from the sky or changes between dark and then very bright images. But that is me … 🤷♂️
I'm the same.
I thought Quantum Nanorod was the endgame display tech?
Microled problem is the fact they can't get the pixels small enough to get a 4K resolution on smaller TV sizes. Till now 55 and 65 inch is not possible to create. Let alone if the market switch to 8K.
It's only a matter of time before they can do it, likely using a printing process.
@@rickwest4497 It will take another 5 year, and that's only for 4K.
They went from 99 to 85 inch in 1 year
@@yahyaalkalbani9334 Yep, and down to 55" & then 8k will get exponentially faster now when they have invested in the production line, tooling & engineers
Who even wants a tv that small?
i was like... pffff, surely my one remaining kidney would be enough. boy was i wrong
At that size and price, I'm stunned it isn't an 8K display.
I think true 8k is a long way off.
Lol, just when I thought 77" were on the large side. Now they're rollin' out 83's and larger like it's nothing, so I guess I can't be too shocked when those reviewing TV's are referring to 65" as small like 32'" used to be.
And here I am not wanting one bigger than 32 inches....
New video suggestion.
O would like to see a propper comparison between the new Micro LED and the QD OLED.
Also, if QD can enhance OLED, then why not Micro QD LED?
Im just here for his amazing jokes and humor.
Guess I'll skip an OLED and wait for MicroLED to become affordable.
Of course, by then the next evolution of screen technology will be upon us...
🤣🤣🤣🤣 you must be very young and patient.
@@LEMON48 I wish! I'm the polar opposite of both those things lol
2,3k watts of awesomeness
edit: only 1,3k watts per hour awesomeness 😅
But no Dolby vision
The good news: the immense evolution in screen technology. The bad news: no one of us will own such a TV one day 😥, thus this will be the entry level TV of 2125 😁.
RUclipsrs that buy and return TVs to produce content🤣
I'm looking forward to seeing their performance in a bright room
mini LED has nothing to do with micro led, micro led is closer to oled then mini led. Mini Led is just a regular lcd with better local dimming, while micro led, like oled has individual pixels that light up.
End game of display technology 🥺 I was enjoying it .
Hi ive just discovered my Lg C1 remote can control my xbox xs. Ive been getting my controller shutting down on various games and now have to take the battery out of my remote to stop it from happening this has been mainly happening in Cold War. The controller stays on but you loose all control of any voice chat in game or party.
The comparison should be this 89inch microLED TV vs QD OLED accordingly
Not a fair comparison as I found out there is a problem with the 85 inch qn90a, check the owners avforums, some people are saying theirs is very dim and washed out in dark areas in HDR looks night and day difference between hdr and sdr, could be a bug in software but something is definitely wrong. This makes sense as both should be able to put out the same amount of brightness full field and for highlights normally i believe. As both have about 1500-2000 nits peak and about 800 nits full field. Something doesn't add up here....
Likely, the microled tv is exceeding 1k nits full screen.
*_Have you reviewed Samsung's The Wall? I'll have to check your past videos_*
Such a bummer Samsung won't adopt Dolby vision. I would switch in a heartbeat.
Why there aren't smaller sizes model?
So what are the advantages of microled over qd oled display ?🤔 when can we hope to buy these for our living rooms at a reasonable price range ?🤔
At 2037 you can buy it in $1000 USD
I’m still waiting for 65 inch model
Samsung announced a 75" MicroLED tv at CES 2019 ... we are still waiting for this tv ... at least with "89 they managed to get closer now to what they promised in 2019.
Bringing this tech down to monitor size might prove...
An incredible challenge, and I think that's an understatement.
Might not be that big a deal tbh. If you're willing to make it a 1080p, or at most 1440p panel.
Right now, these are basically just a bunch of smaller lower resolution displays glued together anyway. Since they get better yields that way
@@Erowens98 a 1080p screen would be a little over 44". That is still to large for a 1080p monitor.
Does the MicroLED models still have PWM 120hz flickering when de-judder is turned on? Its just samsung software compatibility issue or 120hz PWM flickering somehow helps with de-judder?
Imagine a Panasonic Micro Led.
The future will be amazing.
Just out of curiosity, what's the dead-pixel policy on a TV with that many pixels?
It has the same number of pixels as the regular LCD have.
I own a Panasonic HZ2000 atm but i have a chance to trade it in for another TV or get my money back. What would be the best move? Is the HZ2000 already outdated or is it still worth getting?
how bright do you need a tv to be?
If it's the endgame display will that mean the end of TV evolution and innovation, tho?!!
In terms of Picture quality, accuracy and brightness, which is superior qd oled or micro led ?
micro led, for sure.
frick microled is what I have been dreaming for
How visible were the seams between the panels for the micro LED display?
Next is nanoLED?
Can I replace my windows with it and have sunshine whenever I want?
Most of all, it touches how manufacturers (when they want to show that the new technology is cooler) deliberately underestimate the brightness and contrast of another TV in the settings. And everyone is like this, over and over again - WOW!, how cool is this new SuperPuperMicroled)) This cheat, already a hundred years old, and still rolls))
We need 4k plasmas back
What 85”-86” tv do you recommend for using my Xbox one-s ? I primarily watch Netflix and play call of dudy on that console.
MicroLED is the Tesla of the display industry. I absolutely love bright LED TVs , and cannot stand the dull OLED TVs.
Okay, now my question is how is that TV not blinding you? When I turn my Ipad Pro with MicroLED to max with HDR content in a dark room, my eyes are literary bleeding because it is so bright. The samsung TV has like double the amount of brightness
Because the room isn't as dark as how it's shown there.