300 Win Mag vs 338 Win Mag vs 7mm Mag: Not Even Close?
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- On this episode of Ultimate Barrier Testing, we will compare the performance of the 7mm Rem Mag to the 300 Win Mag and the 338 Win Mag on 4 different targets. Each target is worth 25 points, for a grand total of 100 points. Whichever cartridge ends up with the highest score will be the winner. Testing was setup at 50 yards. Steel is A529 grade 55 mild steel. 1 inch = 25.4 mm. Thanks for watching!
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Test 1 and 4 Ammo Specs:
7mm RM - 26” Barrel
139 gr Interlock Reload
3,078 fps - 2,925 ft/lbs
S.D. - 3.3 fps
300 WM - 24” Barrel
165 gr Interlock Reload
3,192 fps - 3,734 ft/lbs
S.D. - 13.8 fps
338 WM - 26” Barrel
225 gr Interlock Reload
2,868 fps - 4,110 ft/lbs
S.D. - 24.4 fps
*3-shot average on Garmin Xero C1 Chronograph
*These tests are meant for entertainment and educational purposes only. Do not try any of these tests at home! Always verify your firearm is rated for and can safely fire any ammunition that you intend to use. Always follow standard safety procedures when handling Any firearm.
#midwayusa
Call me crazy, but I enjoy regular demonstrations of the bullet stopping superpowers of sand.
I deleted all my armor plates and now just run pocket sand. Dale Gribble spec 5A+ armor.
😂
Yep… *sips beer*
You can defeat Darth Vader with that set up
Me too! I want the 6” sand box to stay
Well, Mr. Crazy, I've only found 5A+ to work in the Land of the Lost: Great against Sleestak Bolts.....ineffective against Skylon laser blasts.
A whole video trying out everyone's ideas for sand box replacements!
@@saleembarmania5295 that’s a great idea.
"She Be Kick'n!" - Kentucky Ballistics
Sandbox was a fine idea - you just need several 2-inch deep ones instead of that 6-inch unit.
I was gonna say that, or use 3 inches instead of 6. I'm not sure how he would consistently get/make 2 inch deep "slabs".
That
6"x6"x2" three deep is what ive been thinking since i started watching banana
I like the sandbox test; ya' know because of science and stuff.
At least keep it around for calibers you haven't tested yet.
8.6 Blackout supers, .300 &.338 RUM & Lapua, the African safari cartridges, & .50BMG You might want to preschedule the shoulder surgery, just sayin'.
Exactly. Very few can penetrate the back of a 6" box.
Replace the single 6x6x6 box with three 6x6x2 boxes. A pack of 25 is just $15. (This commercial brought to you by Uline.) Maybe use a couple bungie cords to hold them in place.
Also, thanks for stopping that evil turtle. I was worried for a bit.
omgsh Uline
the catalog they send with every order tho...
Ok. I have used 7mm 3006 and currently 338. For 45 years. What matters for hunting is the shot placement, nothing else if you use a quality bullet.
Right, a larger bullet has a higher Tko factor. Energy transfer,not holes
Which do you find to be the most pleasant to shoot? I've been looking at a magnum round, and am not sure which to get (even considering the 35 Whelen...).
@@bluepunk182Just so you know, the projectile and load will make a difference. However the 3006 is the easiest on the shoulder, the 7mm very close. 338 with the loads I have is MEAN ! The 3006 I have is a Remington 721 from the 40s and has a metal but plate. It's what the Mrs shoots. No complaints.
@@Comet-hn3gm Yeah, I understand there can be a decent amount of variables....but it sounds like that 338 is a step above the 30-06 and 7mm, huh? I tend to really like 7mms for the ballistics... might have to look more into that one. I appreciate the reply and info!
@@bluepunk182 Well, I can't recall for sure, because it's been 25 years ago, but as I recall the 225 grain 338 bullet was going about the same as a 7mm 160? Grain at the muzzle. Down range I'm sure it was slower, but had more energy. If the Mrs. Has the same tag as me, I pack the 338, because it's going to hurt her.
10:09 “the small boys might be able to out penetrate the larger diameter boys”
Me: you hear that little buddy! 😂
Sus
I wouldn't admit that.
I love the toilet guy!
Toilet guy commentary =awesome 😂
Watching bananas and thumb on toilet...
Water jugs seem like a good replacement for the sand. Tough barrier but also shows energy transfer
Agree, and possibly catch the bullet for expansion testing!
The meat target....
or soda jugs :)
Yes I was thinking water jugs as well, can you use different number depending on calibers tested.
Water and Paul Harrel style meat targets.
Water is a very pretty target too
Modeling clay shows the impact very well and can be re-used if you keep it moist and refrigerated.
Hell yes!!! Modeling clay would be AWESOME!!!!!!!
Agree 👍
modeling clay is oil based...
@@LupusMechanicus So?
@@philkoth2198 It doesn't need to be kept "moist"
I'm a 7mm RM owner who lives in an area where there's no range long enough for any of those calibers. Nice to see the 7RM held its own!
Next time maybe use clay?
I have had always felt that the 300 winmag is the best bang for the buck when it comes to long range and stopping power. Sure there are better rounds but for the relative cost to entry and ammo availability I really like that round.
Pinky test:
Just the tip...Oouuhhh!
Further in...Oooh yeah!
THATS WHAT HE SAID!
i myself like it balls deep! of course im the guy married to steffy!! lol
These turtles are no joke! Glad you took care of them.
I shot a Remington 700 7MM Mag for years. It was accurate. Nearly always a straight on shot. Usually I used 139 grain bullet. Bigger game the 175 grain. The rifle I had bedded the stock, floated the barrel, and put a timney trigger in it. It would drive tacks.
I will stick with the 7mm Rem mag! Lighter recoil faster round more hydraulic shock!
300 is faster
@@ronoutwest You sure about that?
“Terry, quit playing around”😂
Now that the 6 inch sand box is gone...
I want to see a 4 inch box of sand!!!
😁
I have a 338 win Mag and I know how much recoil you suffer when you shoot it off a bench so I can definitely empathize. Great test by the way.
It took a bit for me to figure out how to not to end up with a sore shoulder with my 338. Hold it firmly. Both hands and to shoulder. If any of the 3 are slack it will make you remember.🙂
@@voivode2591 yea you don’t forget that. And when you get to be 64 like me, you really don’t forget it. Nice job though I really like your methodology.
Now we see why sandbags are so good in combat!
I'll take the 7MM all day long. Still very capable, while cheaper to feed and less punishing to shoot.
Not bad I choose 308 for pretty much anything for those exact same reasons
4 inch sand box?
Mud box?
Juice boxes?
Layers of mdf? Cardboard?
World's thickest "new and improved high tech fleece bullet stop"?
Hay bale?
Clay
Am I the only one that thinks of the 40 Year Old Virgin when you do the sand test? "Feels like a bag of sand when I touch it."
Like others suggested, stick with the sandbox, but either use several thinner boxes in a row, or something no thicker than 4 inches.
Or use a 2 inch box of sand with a small jug of water (just don't tape them together, the energy transfer from the box to the water jug will tear up the jug, even if the sand stops the projectile).
(also, good lord, RUclips's being censorious today).
I'm really glad for the scenarios you brought into these tests, it really makes them more practical.
Agreed
I've been testing bullets for about 50 years if you take a copier box and fill it with magazines, keep them wet and soggy for several months, (so make a couple of these )you can put water jugs, cow bones, limbs, or anything in front of the box, still capture the bullet and get realistic results. As you take a screwdriver and look through the magazines you can get results of the wound channel that you should be able to photograph. Large pumpkins with two small holes in the top filled with water give you some very interesting results.!!!!
we used ammo boxes filled with cardboard and water
Turn it around!!! Makes me chuckle every time. Great videos.
I'm not sure but Hickock45 released a video a few days ago explaining that with RUclips's new TOS, any sponsored gun videos can be grounds for channel deletion.
I'd hate for you to get a strike. Love the Channel.
The replacement could be rubber blocks like for a car jack, or even horse mats, but the mats would require some kind of lamination like a dock bumper at a warehouse.
Just don’t take the money. It’s pretty easy to avoid. This is just to get rid of the gun salesman part of RUclips… which is 75% of guntubers.
It’s like RUclips is trying to push everyone to rumble! Lol
Might have to delete RUclips. It’s pretty gay anymore
I've been using 300 WM for Missouri whitetails since 1989. Longest shot about 275 yards on a young spike buck, running. DRT. 150 grain Wichester Powerpoint has never disappointed. If i lived out west, and hunted elk, im pretty sure I would have a .338. No disrespect to 7 mm, all good rounds with good shot placement. Cool tests, as always 👍👍
the 180 grain powerpoints run much better in my 300 wm
What's the dude on the toilet doing with that left hand?😂😂😂
Husking the banana😉
We were all wondering the same thing…
Not sure but he is probably a Glock fanboy.
Tapping and racking the organic slide.
Taking a shot through a 5" tree branch is utterly stupid. That is how you wind up with wounded elk. Shot placement is the most critical factor in making a clean kill.
He wasn't saying that was a practical shot. He even said it was a stupid thing to do.
Those butterflies are totally taking advantage of Mr banana!
man, you have a real talent for drawing
Poor sandbox. 📦 He always performed so valiantly but remained so underappreciated.
RIP 😢😞😭
I'm not a reloader but looking at published ballistics data, the 7mm mag and 300 win mag are virtually identical out to 600m, then the 300 carries more kinetic energy out to 1000m while the 7mm mag remains flatter and drops less.
My six year old son and I loved the barfing sound effect. So we replayed it about 30 times and laughed and laughed. Please more barfing sound effects.
Listening to him talk at 25% speed is hilarious 😂
I was gravitating to .300 win mag just because it's cheaper and more popular than 7mm rem mag in my neck of the woods and seemed similar enough in power on paper. Good to see some tests that confirm my preconceived biases :) lol
7mm was cheaper, flatter shooting and slightly more power than 300wm but things may have changed from years ago
Till you decide to run through a box when sighting it in. I've run 62 rounds through my 7mm RM in a couple hours one day. Sure I felt it a little the next day, but not as bad as 300WM.
@@mikeford963Was never bothered by the recoil of the 7mm REM MAG could shoot all day or as much as I could afford even with the 170 grain rounds, didn't seem much different than a 303 British or a 30-06 maybe because it was a well designed rifle,it was a Sako and wish I never got rid of it
I mean, a good muzzle break really takes the starch out of the recoil. I can’t imagine shooting a magnum without any kind of muzzle device, let alone 25 times between three different rifles.
@@altortugas5979 I didn't have a muzzle brake on my Sako in 7mm REM MAG and I had no problem going through 4-5 boxes of 20 , I could feel it but it was not uncomfortable to shoot
It might be slightly over super cheap and easy but I think people would be very interested to see how many pieces of drywall a round makes it though. Separate them by at least a couple inches so it's a clean pass on each and not just compacting material.
Would love to see you use a 175 gr Speer Hot-Cor in the Rem 7 mag. Your sectional density goes from .249 with the 139 grain bullet to .310 with 175 grain. Bone crushing penetration changes dramatically. Cheers!
Sheet rock aka gypsum wall board. Gwb is in most houses and buildings. It's available at every home center and hardware store. Layer 1/2" x 6" squares to 5" with a piece of plywood supporting the back. It's easy to see how deep the bullets penetrate.
Muzzle brake on 300 WM is a must. I've got a Tikka T3X 300WM with a clamp on muzzle brake loctited on and comparing it with and without the brake to Savage 110s in 270wsm & 6.5 Creedmoor both without brakes, the 300 without a brake had way more recoil then the 270wsm with the brake was like shooting the 6.5 creedmoor maybe even less hard to tell
I'm likely in the minority that liked the sand box. If anything ever makes it through you could claim significant results. You could try wet phone books or newspaper if anyone still used phone books or newspaper LOL
I got a hold of a British 303 and some AP rounds. They were able to go through 3 ft of packed red clay, and not a fist side hunk out of the bank on the other side of the dam. My dad said the British 303 would go through 24 in of sandbags and kill somebody on the other side.
6inches of sand is alot to penetrate . You should keep the sand target and make it a 4inch sand box that's what we use at home to check penetration test and it works extremely well
The impact shift on copper bullets could be from not cleaning the barrel after using other non copper ammunition. The great Ron Spomer has been talking about this on his podcast, probably worth a try
300 win mag. my reload recipe--->180gr Nosler Partition. Haven't shot any medium/large limbs, typically use for Elk, High Country Mulies and Pronghorn/Antelope...yup, Antelope, works great AND the 300 win mag doesn't turn a hind quarter or shoulder into hamburger due to poor shot placement unlike the 7 mag. 7 mag ok is a flat shooter, I just don't prefer a 7mm/284...
338 great cal in 225 Nosler Partition but still prefer my go to 300 win...cheers
Battle of .338? Win mag, Norma mag, lapua mag 🤔
I'm sure he'll rush out and drop 3 thousand dollars for a video
@rbhe357 😂😂😂👍
Don't forget the .338 Remington ultra mag...and. 340 Weatherby.
I have a feeling the lapua and norma mag would perform really close. The norma mag iirc was designed so you don't have OAL issues with long 338 bullets (namely 300 grain)
I cant like this enough. Maybe the 8 59 lazzeroni as well@andrewartress9251
Need a 5 inch sandbox instead of 6 for the rifles, and 4 inch for handguns
Depth in ballistic gel would be a good replacement for the sand, then you will have an exact difference of depth on a softer target
Sand Box Replacement: Wet newspaper hung from wooden dowels in a cardboard box. This was used to test bullets as far back as the 1920s. It was still the best way to test bullets through the 1970s into the 1980s. WHY: Because it was cheap and it simulated how a bullet would react when hitting flesh. Gather newspaper and soak them in water overnight. Hang them from wooden dowels in a cardboard box. Fire into them and you can see the wound channel and how deep the bullets will penetrate. If you have never tried it you are missing out. Ballistic gel is fine but it lacks the fluid to really make bullets expand as it will in flesh. Soaking wet newspaper is dramatic when shot. Anyone who has studied the would channel in a deer and compared it to the results they got from ballistic gel can tell you there is a huge difference between those two mediums. For magnum calibers you will want 2 boxes of wet newspaper. The boxes should be full and the news paper coming right out of the water and still dripping. Try it and you will not want to use anything else.
may we get a bad turtle tshirt? what a cool mascot you have happened upon! i mean, besides the banana, that is.🎉
@@nozrep Evil turtle.
have the turtle riding a banana t-shirt 🤣🤣🤣
It's nice to see steel sled 4.2 again
I think the sandbox is highly unrealistic unless the sand is sopping wet anyway. Easy/easy/easy? Easy: roll of shop towels in a denim pant leg with a dowel in the middle.
Banana.... hugs from Brazil!!!!
I like the sand box it’s alway surprising. I like when he uses different rounds in the same gun as well.
It's amazing how tough a box of sand is.
Also, I love the toilet commenter, that's spot on youtube's viewership.
Potential sand replacements, baking flour, corn meal, sugar or feed corn. Feed corn is about $12 for 50lbs in most places. Testing common calibers on a sand replacement is probably a good video all on its own.
The 338 is no pushover.
Has the most energy, although close with 300
None of the 3 is even close to a pushover. All 3 are magnum cartridges.
I miss the flying banana intro. It's perfect for this channel's sense of humor. Also, I am writing this while the toilet. 👍
Gave it a 👍. . . From the toilet.
@@peternorton5648 while... haha!!
Bonus points for hole diameter on the 338, tho
Long time .338 Win Mag Fan. IMHO, the best cartridge for any Large North American Game.
I agree 338 with the barnes bullets have taken down many alaskan moose and bears for me over last 30 years but off the bench with no brake it will shake your brain
Really enjoy your testing always get a chuckle
What were the bullet weights in each caliber?
@@jimfarmer693 It's in the description for the video.
139 for 7mm. 165 for 300wm. 225 for 338wm
And what bullet?
@@user-yx8bk6zo9x all were interlock
@@user-yx8bk6zo9x judging by the tip, and I believe he says Barnes in the video they would be TTSX solid copper
Duct sealing compound. It used to be a popular medium for bullet testing in gun magazines back in the say before Ballistic gel became a thing. I used it to do a science fair project back in the early 90s to test 22 ammo.
This was the best and funniest video I’ve ever seen
Had a Sakko bolt action in 7mm Rem mag and loved to target shoot with it at the longest range I could safely find in my area and would shoot as much as I could afford for bullets would easily go through a hundred dollars in a couple hours of shooting but it was hard to quit when you could hit just about anything even as small as a pop can over 200-300 yards
Fun fact about Banana Ballistics. When he sings at his church choir, he has a high pitched falsetto voice.
It’s true.
Just a information share.. a rifle that you have shot normal bullets thru MUST clean the barrel VERY VERY well down to the metal BEFORE you shoot copper bullets. I know you're not shooting long-range or for distance, but it's a fact that rifles that shoot copper AFTER shooting normal lead bullets are very inaccurate. IDK why, but it's been proven several times by guys on RUclips like Ron spomer, Jim from Backfire, and others. By the way, great stuff and really enjoy your channel.
"Barry, quit playing around!" Lmbo; bro seriously: you crack me up, lolol!!! 😂🦋
I made a ballistic chart and graph with a bunch of long range calibers years ago and it included 7mm rem and 300wm. In the end i went with 204 ruger but also considered 7mm rem. I already have 7.92x57 for heavy hitting medium range. I bypassed 300wm.
4:48 I think the sand box just answered for us! 😂
Man you really gotta watch out for the 5.5" pine tree limbs, they can sneak up on you outta nowhere.
Called 300mag before I watched the video 300 mag is a killer cartridge no pun intended but it is 😊
Thought .338 was gonna come out on top but never knew the cartridge size was so similar, as soon as I saw the comparison I was like smaller diameters got this.
Case capacities:
7mm RM: 82 gr. H2O
300 WM: 94 gr. H2O
338 WM: 86 gr. H2O
says it all...
weird I've got 150 gr. 7mm RM sounds. I don't know jack about firewarms though. I just bought this rifle back in 07 and enjoyed it.
@@wysestone The figure I cite is case capacity; i.e. how many grains of water fit in the case. The more powder burned, the more power -- generally.
Doesn't say it all. What happens at 3,6,800,1000 yards?
@@Phidelity1984 RIght. He did do tests at all those ranges. Another person who wants to create an argument for no reason...
Two comments- 1 You’ve got some sweeet slick bolt guns! 2 When you cut to “that guy on the crapper”, while I’m on the crapper, it kills me!! 😂😂 👍🏼 Keep up the great work & content!😊
Don’t think he’s eluding to that scenario. You can see by his hand movements
You can also either increase the range or hand load the bullets down for realistic impact velocities. If you get them too slow, they may tumble.
I went shooting with my granddaughter. We had a large plastic bottle from cheese doodles or something, full of water, resting on a cement block. Fired a single shot of Hornaday hunting ammo in 6mm ARC - not nearly the power of the .338 Win Mag. It hit only an inch or so above the bottom of the bottle, blew the water up in the air, and the shock wave completely shattered the cement block in small pieces. Not just the top surface where the jug was sitting, but the next layer down as well. Maybe you could add an energy transfer test?
Sand is the known bullet barrier, keep it. Like others have said, use two 3" thick, or three 2" thick so we can see the difference in bullets/calibers. Water jugs are for show, not science. It is impractical to hide behind 6ft of water jugs...
For a sandbox replacement, maybe a phone book or a similar paper substitute would be a good inexpensive choice, in my opinion.
I always trust the 338 win mag when the poop hits the fan. 250 Gr Nosler partition bullet.
I've only ever owned one .300 win,mag . Custom purple 💜
Stock. So the weight helps the recoil.
Water jugs are going to be hard to evaluate I would imagine. I do love watching water explode under pressure but just not sure how easy it would be to judge and point of impact would change the results drastically. I do love the sand so my vote is to continue with the sand but change the depth to something that a rifle can barely get through and then the same for pistols. If not then maybe some type of plastic? Glass would be cool for us, but not so much for you. Maybe plexiglass? Love the content.
Love the videos, you should try putting like a pine board behind the steel to see how lethal they are after they penetrate
Thomas Crooks would be able to tell you the difference especially for the 300 WM. That is if, he could tell!😆
Alternative to sand - wet magazines/phone books - they're not quite as tough as sand to blaze through but you duct tape four or five inches worth together and then let them soak and they make a good target which puts on a show and will at least stop most level 3A stuff.
With water jugs everyone try's to just put them in a straight line and for some reason only seem to capture 10-15% of them.
As you seem to come up with some new and innovate ways of holding things I look forward as to what you got for us
.338 Win mag is a beast of a round. Now you know why we build revetments from sandbags.
Those are some nice ear piercers🦻!! I love my 7 mag. I like the sand test just make the box thinner so some have a chance of penetrating through.
11:40 captures the ricochet. Cool shot!
Don't get rid of the sand test, it's my favorite!!! 😅
Would love to see you test the 300 RUM
brethren, please stop using the same piece of timber every time you shoot timber, you have compromised it the first shot...❤U
You paying for his lumber cost?
@brandongibbs3016 cutting an 8' post into 6" sections, 16 cubes ,using 4 of those cubes instead of 2 , probably not going to crush the budget especially when viewers realize the block isn't compromised and they're like yea that's legit testing. but while you're down there what are you doing for the budget because my $10 twice a week probably bought that timber remember last September replace yo fender you dont know the splender two times the chime ballistics pretender
@@brandongibbs3016 fuck you a test is only good if it accomplishes something wood is compromised after first shot.
300WM just makes sense. 308, 30-06, 300WM will handle everything I would ever need
Red spotted purple butterflies on Teary. 😂 "Quit messin' around."
After careful wire brushing and cleaning with acetone or other solvent and primer good target would be a pressurized jug of powder coating
There all great rounds to have in your arsenal. That’s what he’s showing you. Everyone of those will get the job done
I think brush would be a good one to at lest try. I have seen some crazy stuff happen to bullets shooting through brush at deer. on one instance a 30-06 soft point completely broke up into 10 to 12 pieces before it hit the deer.The deer was probably 5 yards on the other side of it and it knocked a basketball size hole on the entrance side. plus brush is free and everywhere.