Regarding the folk horror and political aspect of 73 Yards. 73 Yards and Dot And Bubble are both written by RTD and directed by the same person, so it could be a secret 2 parter or 2 loosely connected stories like the 60th anniversary specials were.
Russell T Davies (and Moffat) coming back was always the best and worst thing to happen to Doctor Who. Theoretically stable stories, yet a sort of familiar approach aping on a Saturday night television style from 15 years ago. I wish the show had a Phillip Hinchcliffe figure to shake up the formula and do something new and different with the show. I hope I'm wrong, but something isn't quite gelling for me yet.
Fairly balanced views guys, I feel for Matt trying to like it. I was looking forward to Moffat episode and Ncuti growing in my estimation, but it didn't land for me. I think it was a 6/10. I think the cruel dig at the Anglicans and people of faith was poor form and contrary to the values of the Doctor. The suspension of disbelief required to accept the premise of each story this season is taking me out of it. The young ones I know are laughing at it, ignoring it or deriding it which is sad.
My experience with 'Wild Blue Yonder' is similar to Matts' with this one. I didn't hate it, but I saw everyone else absolutley singing it's praises and felt a bit down that I was missing out.
I got stuck at work on Saturday, and was late home by several hours, so I watched it on iplayer a little after the actual broadcast. It’s a serviceable episode, but that’s all. Everything in it was hackneyed and contrived, but it was performed well.
This New Series has delivered Talking Babies, Farting Spaceships and Singing Drag Queens. Not to mention unrecognisable Beatles and superfluous musical performances. We needed something substantial, something good. We needed Doctor Who. If anyone could do this, it had to be the Moff. "Boom" is not the instant classic we hoped for, but it's damn good with a Doctor making performance by Ncuti Gatwa. Showing the depth and range that we hoped would surface."Boom" was a Blast!💥👌 If the rest of the Series can build on this I will be a Happy Wholigan, but those overnight ratings 😢😷
@@argorathExactly...it also occurred to me that ( for myself at least) the show didn't gel until "Dalek"( by Robert Shearman) & "The Empty Child" (by Stephen Moffat). RTD gets a lot of credit for Doctor Who, but his writing is very hit and miss.
I enjoyed this episode a lot, it’s what I wanted to see from this season, an episode that felt a bit more like Doctor Who. It’s not Moffat’s best work but after the real wackiness of last week, this one felt a little bit more familiar
Actually it is October in 5087, so Ruby and the Doctor havent been travelling for 9 months, thats just the date on this planet. Though the 6 month thing in Devil's Chord is odd...
Didn't have an issue with the Faith critique, think I managed to get the intent even if the execution could've been better. A potential way to look at if it is too much of an issue is to view it as an intrusive thought being brought to the surface given to the already stressful situation, both the Doctor and Ruby are about to die preventable deaths, much like Vater, also the Doctor is thrown off by Monday demanding evidence so loses his temper. An odd comparison, the scene in Spiderman 2 when May just walks away after Peter's confession without a word, this is an insight into why it's best she didn't say anything, emotions make you say the harshest things even if you don't mean it. If Monday is coming back instead of a new character next year, it might be worth at the very least tidying things up between her and the Doctor.
Literally never been on the same page with Matt as I have been at the moment. His thoughts on these episodes is exactly how I’ve felt beat for beat. Episode 3 wasn’t bad but it didn’t live up to the high praise of early reviews and it certainly didn’t equate with the huge positive influx from fans after it came out for me. I just felt like I’d seen it before 🤷🏻♂️ Ncuti was amazing tho. He’s settled so well into the role and it always brings it up for me on that alone.
CutiPie was not amazing in anyway. He actually did a bit of acting for 30 minutes before leaping back into gaymode whilst crying the whole episode. He is NOT the Doctor and never will be. He is the racist narcassist that killed the show proper along with RibbedTinDildo. If you like this cack you're as deluded as him.
I enjoyed this episode. Was it the best Moffat episode under RTD? No, but it held my attention all the way through and I came away happy. The performances were the best so far and the only negatives I have are the kid actor being wooden, and you can tell it was filmed on The Volume or something similar. It felt like they were on a set which for a story that is set in a small section of a minefield, it would make sense to use it for that but a classic Doctor Who quarry could have done the job better. Best Ncuti DW episode so far and I'm looking forward to next week which seems to be Doctor-lite.
when you were talking about the faith thing, this kimda cropped into my mind so bear with me, but in the audio commentary that steven and russel did togerher russels says that he had to kinda of shoot down (nicely) ome of the ideas moffat had suffested because apparently it had already been done it in the god complex... with the god complex focusing entirely on faith, i wouldnt be surprised if faith was a much bigger part of the episode moffat was going to do. just a thought. you guys talking sbout the faith aspect reminded me of the god complex thing they talked about in the commentary so thought id mention
A subtle character/story beat I love is the Doctor, despite the danger he is in, asks Ruby to prioritise trying to help Vater, not only does this choice help to show his selfless heroic personality but also Ruby finding the flesh urn not only deals with the Doctor's balance, holding it ends up saving the day. His selfless action was rewarded, which reminds me of a underrated moment in the Two Doctors when 6 thinks he's going to die but drops everything when he thinks Peri is in danger and that act rewards him with the information that confirms he's not going to die.
Regardless of the fact he was happy for her to run around with a chance of her stepping on a mine aswell. Without warning her. Awful writing. Awful acting. Awful. He is NOT. THE doctor.
@@nathanadlerinc2790 You're opinion isn't the lie, the lie is the "fact" the Doctor was happy to put Ruby run around with no care for her safety, your example is at best a nitpick, that can easily be justified by the stressful situation and the episode has several examples of the Doctor asking her to not take dangerous risks even if it costs his life. Assuming you're not just a "rage sellout" if you genuinely despise the 15th Doctor for asking "hey can you check to see if someone is ok and maybe find a rock" then I recommend seeking support as you seem to have alot of misplaced rage, creating imaginary scenarios.
So far, and I plan to go on like this, I have waited till midnight (UK) to watch them as they come out, then watched them again live on BBC1. That way I have a second opinion on the day. So far, loved the series, Space Babies is easily the weakest, but TDC and Boom have been really good imo.
The critique of faith failed for me in how writerly it was. It was Moffat - or, as I suspect, mostly Davies - speaking rather than the Doctor. A sudden shifit that didn't work.
5 outta 10 this week lads better ep but a lotta folk didn’t return after the shambles of last weeks 2. The series is still holding my interest however & I’m really hoping you guys are Right and The Daemons make a return 🤞….. I think more time should be given to the weekly Johnny Segment as an 80s child myself I think 🤔 valuable insights can be brought to the table from us original child Who-Watchers lol 😂
@@mayotango1317 Naw bro over the top Camp Acting and full on shouty performances ,I really could have done without & how did the Dr conjure up those notes & light up the road markings like a piano ? fantasy is one thing going too far with it is another …. the episode belongs in the never need to watch again category .
@@mayotango1317 Nimon is proper Sci - Fi , & That is really bad Fantasy crap 💩. There’s a big Difference with in your face camp in the majority of the scenes & Over acting some scenes in the latter ,As bad as The horns of Nimon is I’d watch it over a ridiculous musical episode that has no place in a show like Dr Who we never needed it before it’s pointless. RTD wants to be remembered as the one who’s made the show more musical it’s his own agenda thank god nobody gave a shit about it 😂😂😂.
Wait, Billy…did you name your dog after yourself or did your financee just happen to fall in love with someone with the same name as her dog so you inherited him? 😄
Maybe a good time for ROD to revisit the God Complex When the Eleventh Doctor finds out a character is a Muslim Smith reacts with a pleasant smile and their conversation continues. Bearing in mind that was 2011. Much better showing than in this episode in my opinion
Bright side is it wasnt Matt Smith Era Steven Moffat. If it was he’d be like “oh yeah forgot my sonic!!” and I am the doctor woukd play to terrible overuse as he defuses rhe mime and somehow brings back the dead soldiers to life.
The whole There's a war! but actually there isn't. reminded me of Frontios... and also the Star Trek episode 'A Taste of Armageddon', with it all being controlled by computers, ensuring a set number of casualties.
I really dislike organised religion (on a structural level, not individual). But that line from the Doctor really shocked me, it felt so out of character. I don't disagree though 😅
Such a massive improvement over the last few episodes. And the next one looks great as well. I’m so glad that this season looks like it’s getting better. I was worried last week that this new season would be the final nail in the coffin for me. I’m so relieved that isn’t the case.
don’t particularly get the crying criticism since it’s almost definitely a tear stick being used that the director is deciding on. Not his acting just the directing
A 6 and a 5?? Bloody hell boys; appreciatr your honesty though! I felt this was leagues ahead of the dross of the last 3 stories; felt like actual Doctor Who to me and Ncuti finally clicked with me as the Doctor. I personally didnt feel any inconsistency with the Doctor R.E. faith; he's always been fairly dismissive and uninterested by religion in NuWho. Felt in character to me.
Honestly, even with stuff they really like they never rate it above a 7. I think they should just get rid of ratings they don’t seem to rate anything that well anyway.
As Matt points out, this episode was an example of the ‘minority Top Trumps’ people are playing these days. My boyfriend said as we watched it “I bet they wouldn’t be brave enough to have those soldiers be Muslim”
Surprisingly in the continuity announcement for the episode the announcer mentioned Harry Sullivan which was nice.
“HE’S FUCKIN’ DEAD!”
Written by Steven Moffat
Regarding the folk horror and political aspect of 73 Yards. 73 Yards and Dot And Bubble are both written by RTD and directed by the same person, so it could be a secret 2 parter or 2 loosely connected stories like the 60th anniversary specials were.
Russell T Davies (and Moffat) coming back was always the best and worst thing to happen to Doctor Who. Theoretically stable stories, yet a sort of familiar approach aping on a Saturday night television style from 15 years ago. I wish the show had a Phillip Hinchcliffe figure to shake up the formula and do something new and different with the show. I hope I'm wrong, but something isn't quite gelling for me yet.
I think the tech was injuring them. Mundy didn't realize the mine was her side's mine. All the tech was "their" tech.
Did Billy seriously just ask for a shower cam of Johnny?
Fairly balanced views guys, I feel for Matt trying to like it. I was looking forward to Moffat episode and Ncuti growing in my estimation, but it didn't land for me. I think it was a 6/10. I think the cruel dig at the Anglicans and people of faith was poor form and contrary to the values of the Doctor. The suspension of disbelief required to accept the premise of each story this season is taking me out of it. The young ones I know are laughing at it, ignoring it or deriding it which is sad.
My experience with 'Wild Blue Yonder' is similar to Matts' with this one. I didn't hate it, but I saw everyone else absolutley singing it's praises and felt a bit down that I was missing out.
I’m also on the same page 🫡
I got stuck at work on Saturday, and was late home by several hours, so I watched it on iplayer a little after the actual broadcast. It’s a serviceable episode, but that’s all. Everything in it was hackneyed and contrived, but it was performed well.
This New Series has delivered Talking Babies, Farting Spaceships and Singing Drag Queens. Not to mention unrecognisable Beatles and superfluous musical performances.
We needed something substantial, something good. We needed Doctor Who. If anyone could do this, it had to be the Moff. "Boom" is not the instant classic we hoped for, but it's damn good with a Doctor making performance by Ncuti Gatwa. Showing the depth and range that we hoped would surface."Boom" was a Blast!💥👌
If the rest of the Series can build on this I will be a Happy Wholigan, but those overnight ratings 😢😷
Drag queens good, actually.
Series 1 delivered burping bins, farting aliens, and a bitchy trampoline playing Britney Spears, this is nothing new lol
@@argorathExactly...it also occurred to me that ( for myself at least) the show didn't gel until "Dalek"( by Robert Shearman) & "The Empty Child" (by Stephen Moffat). RTD gets a lot of credit for Doctor Who, but his writing is very hit and miss.
I enjoyed this episode a lot, it’s what I wanted to see from this season, an episode that felt a bit more like Doctor Who. It’s not Moffat’s best work but after the real wackiness of last week, this one felt a little bit more familiar
Actually it is October in 5087, so Ruby and the Doctor havent been travelling for 9 months, thats just the date on this planet. Though the 6 month thing in Devil's Chord is odd...
Please review the green death
Didn't have an issue with the Faith critique, think I managed to get the intent even if the execution could've been better. A potential way to look at if it is too much of an issue is to view it as an intrusive thought being brought to the surface given to the already stressful situation, both the Doctor and Ruby are about to die preventable deaths, much like Vater, also the Doctor is thrown off by Monday demanding evidence so loses his temper. An odd comparison, the scene in Spiderman 2 when May just walks away after Peter's confession without a word, this is an insight into why it's best she didn't say anything, emotions make you say the harshest things even if you don't mean it. If Monday is coming back instead of a new character next year, it might be worth at the very least tidying things up between her and the Doctor.
Literally never been on the same page with Matt as I have been at the moment. His thoughts on these episodes is exactly how I’ve felt beat for beat.
Episode 3 wasn’t bad but it didn’t live up to the high praise of early reviews and it certainly didn’t equate with the huge positive influx from fans after it came out for me.
I just felt like I’d seen it before 🤷🏻♂️
Ncuti was amazing tho. He’s settled so well into the role and it always brings it up for me on that alone.
CutiPie was not amazing in anyway. He actually did a bit of acting for 30 minutes before leaping back into gaymode whilst crying the whole episode. He is NOT the Doctor and never will be. He is the racist narcassist that killed the show proper along with RibbedTinDildo. If you like this cack you're as deluded as him.
I enjoyed this episode. Was it the best Moffat episode under RTD? No, but it held my attention all the way through and I came away happy. The performances were the best so far and the only negatives I have are the kid actor being wooden, and you can tell it was filmed on The Volume or something similar. It felt like they were on a set which for a story that is set in a small section of a minefield, it would make sense to use it for that but a classic Doctor Who quarry could have done the job better. Best Ncuti DW episode so far and I'm looking forward to next week which seems to be Doctor-lite.
I still come back to this review for 45:05
They should've called it "Enemy Mine."
when you were talking about the faith thing, this kimda cropped into my mind so bear with me, but in the audio commentary that steven and russel did togerher russels says that he had to kinda of shoot down (nicely) ome of the ideas moffat had suffested because apparently it had already been done it in the god complex...
with the god complex focusing entirely on faith, i wouldnt be surprised if faith was a much bigger part of the episode moffat was going to do.
just a thought. you guys talking sbout the faith aspect reminded me of the god complex thing they talked about in the commentary so thought id mention
also sorry typos, my thumb is a lil tired lol
Interesting! Thanks for sharing!
A subtle character/story beat I love is the Doctor, despite the danger he is in, asks Ruby to prioritise trying to help Vater, not only does this choice help to show his selfless heroic personality but also Ruby finding the flesh urn not only deals with the Doctor's balance, holding it ends up saving the day. His selfless action was rewarded, which reminds me of a underrated moment in the Two Doctors when 6 thinks he's going to die but drops everything when he thinks Peri is in danger and that act rewards him with the information that confirms he's not going to die.
Regardless of the fact he was happy for her to run around with a chance of her stepping on a mine aswell. Without warning her.
Awful writing. Awful acting. Awful.
He is NOT. THE doctor.
@@nathanadlerinc2790 Hyperbole, if you have to lie about the contents of something to justify your anger, is it really worth getting angry about it?
@@mrdoctorgilmore an opinion is not a lie
@@nathanadlerinc2790 You're opinion isn't the lie, the lie is the "fact" the Doctor was happy to put Ruby run around with no care for her safety, your example is at best a nitpick, that can easily be justified by the stressful situation and the episode has several examples of the Doctor asking her to not take dangerous risks even if it costs his life. Assuming you're not just a "rage sellout" if you genuinely despise the 15th Doctor for asking "hey can you check to see if someone is ok and maybe find a rock" then I recommend seeking support as you seem to have alot of misplaced rage, creating imaginary scenarios.
Also the Doctor literally says "Very slowly and very carefully move around me".
Ruby is the Trickster’s daughter from SJA 👀
You guys should do a red dwarf podcast and call it Red RoD
And not RoD Dwarf?!
@@DesproSr hahaha 🤣 ok yours is better
So far, and I plan to go on like this, I have waited till midnight (UK) to watch them as they come out, then watched them again live on BBC1. That way I have a second opinion on the day. So far, loved the series, Space Babies is easily the weakest, but TDC and Boom have been really good imo.
The critique of faith failed for me in how writerly it was. It was Moffat - or, as I suspect, mostly Davies - speaking rather than the Doctor. A sudden shifit that didn't work.
5 outta 10 this week lads better ep but a lotta folk didn’t return after the shambles of last weeks 2. The series is still holding my interest however & I’m really hoping you guys are Right and The Daemons make a return 🤞….. I think more time should be given to the weekly Johnny Segment as an 80s child myself I think 🤔 valuable insights can be brought to the table from us original child Who-Watchers lol 😂
The musical episode is cool, very creative.
@@mayotango1317 Naw bro over the top Camp Acting and full on shouty performances ,I really could have done without & how did the Dr conjure up those notes & light up the road markings like a piano ? fantasy is one thing going too far with it is another …. the episode belongs in the never need to watch again category .
@@asoldastime7991 More camp that The Horns of Nimon?
@@mayotango1317 Nimon is proper Sci - Fi , & That is really bad Fantasy crap 💩. There’s a big Difference with in your face camp in the majority of the scenes & Over acting some scenes in the latter ,As bad as The horns of Nimon is I’d watch it over a ridiculous musical episode that has no place in a show like Dr Who we never needed it before it’s pointless.
RTD wants to be remembered as the one who’s made the show more musical it’s his own agenda thank god nobody gave a shit about it 😂😂😂.
@@asoldastime7991 Big Finish did a musical with Doctor Who, two times.
I'm old, so it was alright is the best I'll rate anything usually. That was MORE than alright
Wait, Billy…did you name your dog after yourself or did your financee just happen to fall in love with someone with the same name as her dog so you inherited him? 😄
The latter 😂
well OF COURSE the shill DW channel known as batmanmarch enjoyed this episode!
Maybe a good time for ROD to revisit the God Complex
When the Eleventh Doctor finds out a character is a Muslim Smith reacts with a pleasant smile and their conversation continues. Bearing in mind that was 2011. Much better showing than in this episode in my opinion
Found the clip. A good episode amongst the *ahem* mixed bag of series 6. ruclips.net/video/XdAvm3qM3kg/видео.htmlsi=a3jjZ3EWGzHFzO1t
Bright side is it wasnt Matt Smith Era Steven Moffat. If it was he’d be like “oh yeah forgot my sonic!!” and I am the doctor woukd play to terrible overuse as he defuses rhe mime and somehow brings back the dead soldiers to life.
It would have started with the Doctor blown up, then through some timey-whimy ending he would have somehow avoided the inevitable.
The whole There's a war! but actually there isn't. reminded me of Frontios... and also the Star Trek episode 'A Taste of Armageddon', with it all being controlled by computers, ensuring a set number of casualties.
I really dislike organised religion (on a structural level, not individual). But that line from the Doctor really shocked me, it felt so out of character.
I don't disagree though 😅
Red Dwarf bigenerated
Such a massive improvement over the last few episodes. And the next one looks great as well.
I’m so glad that this season looks like it’s getting better. I was worried last week that this new season would be the final nail in the coffin for me.
I’m so relieved that isn’t the case.
I think overnight ratings fell because more people have decided to watch it earlier.
don’t particularly get the crying criticism since it’s almost definitely a tear stick being used that the director is deciding on. Not his acting just the directing
A 6 and a 5?? Bloody hell boys; appreciatr your honesty though! I felt this was leagues ahead of the dross of the last 3 stories; felt like actual Doctor Who to me and Ncuti finally clicked with me as the Doctor. I personally didnt feel any inconsistency with the Doctor R.E. faith; he's always been fairly dismissive and uninterested by religion in NuWho. Felt in character to me.
However the way the doctor presented himself seemed wildly out of character
Honestly, even with stuff they really like they never rate it above a 7. I think they should just get rid of ratings they don’t seem to rate anything that well anyway.
Doctor who. Boom. Review. Review. Of. Death
I thought Boom was really good. ( I keep wanting to write it with an exclamation i.e. Boom! , like Kerblam! )
Same! I had to check it didn't have one!
As Matt points out, this episode was an example of the ‘minority Top Trumps’ people are playing these days. My boyfriend said as we watched it “I bet they wouldn’t be brave enough to have those soldiers be Muslim”
A solid episode not a classic.