44:53 Adding onto that, they made it a point multiple times in the story that Braniac didn't even WANT the Squad killed, so no matter how you look at it, he and the League were holding back and basically toying with them FROM THE BEGINNING.
Meh, Lazers are faster than lightning but The lightning isn’t lightning it’s electricity, which can go all the way from 50% the speed of light all the way to the speed of light depending on where your balling
@@EclipseEGon top of Electro most likely going all-out against Spider-Man in an attempt to kill him, Batman’s “laser feat” comes short because we NEVER see him do it. Even then, it’s Catwoman who performed the feat (I know Batman scales past her), and there’s a question if she can do that consistently, same with Batman. Spider-Man can consistently dodge Electricity and Lightning, since the Oscorp Lab Side Missions from PS4 are canon, as we see Spider-Man pull these feats off consistently.
Any relative feats between the two automatically end up with Peter being slower. Spider-Sense allows extra reaction time therefore nothing he does is raw speed, meanwhile Batman is raw speed.
@Nezxmi really?? Nothing he does is raw speed 🤣. Yea ok, let's ignore the fact that spider man was able to keep and out paste venom, electro, and miles, all considered to be faster than light but yea not "raw speed" 🤣🤣.
I love my Goat Spiderman scaling videos. Favorite thing to watch on my free time aside from just shows. Keep up the great content. I even do enjoy some cool batman content so thanks for being one of the more consistent content creators on this topics
@@TheGamingRift11yo i agree with Spider-Man taking it by logic. But all ican correct is batman wasnt struggling only with fear toxin, he had jokers blood in him trying to take over. Batman found out the key to overpower the toxin was through joker in knight. The king shark from assault on arkham was the father of the suicide squad king shark so thats the other correction. Anyway if you do scale superman properly, sonic gets smoked. I habe faith in ya.
It's because Insomniac SpiderMans comics aren't canon to the games because of the many inconsistents and even the writer doesn't know if it's canon and the devs never acknowledge it into the main timeline
@@Kumo0tokothe dev said he doesn't know if it's canon or not meaning it isn't taken into account and even then offical materiel goes against this if it's a no. They blatantly confirm that spidey is from 1048. There's only one 1048 and that's the insomniac game verse. Confirmed by marvel itself (the one that has the most power). The SM2 game events leads up after the SM2 comic which references spider geddon. So yes, the comics actually are canon.
@@videogamelnandcomicbooksca7474the writer of the comic said he doesn't know whether or not they are canon. The image is in CRISIS' video on Insomniac vs Tobey. Additonally, the comics, games, and the Spider-Verse films all contradict each other. Basically, each form of media has its own multiverse. That's why the MCU, Peter B. Parker's universe, and Marvel comics all share the same earth designation of 616. It's quite simple.
I dont think you can argue that batmans mental fortitude is equal or less than Peter's. The toxin hallucinations are showing batman conquering the nightmare while also physically besting scarecrow in the real world.
17:55 High Hypersonic is a term it's the one right after hypersonic+ and encompasses mach 25-100 Hypersonic+ is mach 10-25 and it's closer to explosion dodging feats and what not. He's still wrong since spiderman's lightning dodges are head on and would be massively hypersonic at absolute minimum and more like relativistic+ considering electro uses pure electricity.
Actually High-Hypersonic is the same as Hypersonic+ as they both encompass Mach 10-25; commonly known as "Massively Hypersonic" in powerscaling community. Mach 25-100 is known as "Re-entry speeds"
@@Nezxmi spiderman is literally shown reacting to and moving at relative speed after the lightining as been fired. He also blitzes electro repeatedly and has even been able to see lightning in slow motion repeatedly in almost every adaptation of the character. Don't be one of those people claiming spidersense does everything because it's been shown dozens of times before that if he's not fast enough to move away on his own then he can't dodge spider sense or not. It's not and intant dodge button it's a warning and foresight as to how to move to properly evade something.
@@LibraKai that's just wrong. Regular hypersonic is mach5-10 Hypersonic+ is 10-25 High hypersonic is 25-50 And high hypersonic+ is 50-100. Massively hypersonic is 100 onwards.
I feel like spider man wouldn't slam Batman, but he still wins, as Batman is a better fighter (Mastering every martial art) and maybe is smarter. Would Batman lose? Yes. But would it be an easy fight? I don't think so, it would be a bit tough. Anyway, thanks for coming to my ted talk
Meanwhile he blitz ninjas and raj all ghul who is so fast he looks like hes teleporting Able to react and beat deathstroke in a heavy armor and less mobile suit in origins
Still trash, but not worse than Danco. Danco literally has ZERO knowledge about powerscaling and uses lifting weights to describe the power of characters
I know this topic is heavily talked about by many youtubers, and I've seen many say Arkham Batman wins, and I keep laughing to myself because in no world would Spiderman lose, nor would Batman have the strength to even harm him. Like dawg... 🗿I hate seeing people glaze the 'Bat-God' and have him win these naturally unwinnable scenarios. Like dear god...
To be fair, if this wasn't arkham batman vs insomniac spider-man and was just the generic batman vs spider-man no source material restrictions, batman would win. Without any source material restrictions batman would have the hell-batsuit and the final batsuit. The hell-batsuit let's him and if I remember right Lois lane go toe to toe with darksied and the final batsuit let's him fully manipulate all of reality to his will. But since it's more limited to being the video game version spider-man obviously wins
The funny thing about Armor is the person wearing the armor still has to take the impact, that force has to go somewhere it doesn't just disappear. Just because Batman's suit becomes able to withstand a Nuclear Bomb doesn't mean that Bruce Wayne is able to withstand it. Plus there is one occasion of Insomiac Spider-Man not holding back his strength and its in one of the Science missions, specifically the one where you ground pound the street to follow the clogged drains that were going to blow up busy city streets. Spidey literally says he he has to get up high as he can to build momentum and then come down with that momentum and punch the streets as hard as he can with his momentum on top of his strength, these shockwaves shown from the map go out for literally blocks on end (using real Manhattan as a map the largest one was far in excess of a mile radius) and JJJ's podcast after this he reports citizens were reporting an earthquake in Manhattan but no JJJ says it was Spider-Man punching the streets. Spidey literally shook the island of Manhattan with his blows when he was punching the streets that alone is fucking insane power and Neutons 3rd law would state that Spidey himself has to be able to take those hits if he can dish it out. Even ignoring the fact that the wearer of the armor still has to take the impact of said force, Batman's jaw ain't tanking a literal island shaking punch
Spider man stomps so hard, he didnt even mention the anti venom suits he officially haves. Point is, batman wouldn’t survive a fight against venom, sandman , and let alone the sinister six
Batman would solo the whole sinister six 😭😭😭 he pulls out the fear toxin, driving Doc Ock insane (his fear is being left paralysed without his arms). He’d take all of them out really easily, considering all of them aren’t mentally secure. Not to mention he’d have the Batmobile. Spiderman DOES NOT beat Batman blud 😂😂😂
@@Darwinthegoat2709 if u think batman beat spiderman, u is a batman tard. 1v1 battles are all about matchups n spiderman is LITERALLY batman worse matchup . Add on the anti venom suit , what can batman do? His Ap , speed and durability is no where near spider man. Batman is only above him in intelligence and Hand to hand combat, but even all tht wont stop anything since Spiderman has fought multiple people who has better hand to hand fighting than him. If u think Batman can beat spiderman u basically saying he would be abke to tangle n fight against venom n sandman . Which is a HEAVY highball, the bat mobile is trash against spiderman. We have seen spiderman literally rip armored tanks n trucks with ease , spider man holding back got way better feats then batman even going all out. Now comic wise . Batman could solo , same as spiderman , all depends on which counterpart u use but most of the time, spider man would win
@@Darwinthegoat2709doc ock would blitz batman before he could even take out the fear toxin lmao spiderman with 14 broken bones consistently dodged electro's hits and even blitzed him 2 times, so spiderman is is way faster than batman, it's not even comparable, and doc ock was blitzing spidey easily to the point that peter needed to make a counter suit for him and here you are saying doc ock would just sit there and do nothing while batman is pulling out the fear toxin, lol sure insomniac spiderman mid diffs arkham batman, sorry bro
He'd solo them all, Spiderman too. Not with ease but could do it... Consider this Spiderman VS Superman, obviously Superman wins, Superman VS Batman, we KNOW that Batman wins. ALSO YEAH Spidey is a superhuman who can get killed by a right hook from a goon. Yes I played the games and yes they didn't make a better game than what came 9 years are or even 13. Spiderman is OK. It's 2024. Not 2015
Spider-Man can canonically throw busses, he can one shot Batman if he wants, ant that doesn’t count extremely faster reaction times(can literally predict attacks coming) oh and superhuman agility
And he gets killed by right hooks in the game🤣 So Stwong Spidey.... Also Batman can take down Superman. Pretty damn sure a kid from Brooklyn would a little to no threat with or without preparation. Bane is known to be nearly as strong as Spiderman and Killer Croc too... Batman takes them down with ease. Not to mention Spidey uses alot of tech and Batman is a literal hacker genius. All those web upgrades will go bye bye and back to the *dodge, punch, swing, dodge, punch* routine.
@ lmao blue saying Batman can take down superman like he can do shit to him without pulling a green rock or a red sun out of his ass, or the freaking doomsday virus, stfu, bane literally breaks Batman’s spine in miltiple comics when given a fair 1v1, also he isn’t nearly as fast or agile as Spider-Man, which is usually the only thing saving Batman from bane and killer crock.
They do this even with the comics matchups where they’ll try to say Batman and Spider-Man have relevant stats but Batman is far more skilled therefore he wins. They’re disingenuous with almost every version of this matchup. They also do this with MCU Spider-Man vs DCEU Batman where in SethTheProgrammer’s video they claimed Spider-Man is only hypersonic to relativistic while Batman was FTL.
Lmao ikr, Batman fans are too sweaty just to make Batman look good when in reality and by common sense, Spider-Man should almost always win. Batman even loses harder with comic counterparts. Both at base level, Spider-Man should always take the win
This shit is why I friggin hate powerscaling, the exaggerated language they use to describe what characters do sounds ridiculous. By saying Batman is faster than light in any way, you basically just said he's as fast as the Flash. Which we all know he isn't.
@@Mman3560 I remember getting into it with someone who one was claiming that about batfleck and even claimed he wasn't aim dodging, even though I slowed the clip he was talking about down could tell that's exactly what Batman was doing.
I encountered a Batman fan saying Batman wins because he supposedly worked hard for it therefore Batman is stronger than Spider-Man. He even tried to justify it by saying Batman kicked down a tree which is something Spider-Man can do in a normal basis. Also went as far as saying Batman doesn't rely on his weapons even if he is fighting against superpowered people when in canon Batman's gadgets are what makes him a formidable opponent aside from his knowledge, combat, and battle IQ.
@@thanos1335 Not even that. If we're talking about Insomniac Spiderman he doesn't have an ounce of chance against Arkham Batman. Spidey dies from 6 regular human punches.
For spider-man: -He can perceive lasers in slow motion in the hammerhead dlc. -In the spider-man 2 prequal comic, spider-geddon gets referenced, in spider-geddon handbook its stated that ps4 sm and Superior sm have equal speed, this is further shown in the comic. Superior spider-man scaling to mftl+ or immeasurable speed. In Venomverse reborn comic (that is canon) we see Venom being able to one shot and react to Knulls dragons. Same dragons that overwhelmed 616 Dr strange and Storm. Scaling Venom to 616 strange and storm. And ps4 Sm being somewhat relative (even if he is slightly relative that is still above Batman arkham considering venom would be like outer ap/immeasurable speed lol). -For in game feats he would scale to Miles explosion that is mountain lvl. Whereas Arkham Batman at best scales to city lvl (nukes) or twice as weak compared to sm. For speed ingame only spider-man is slower, but using the (canon) comics (Spider-geddon or Venomverse reborn) he scales to mftl+ or immeasurable.
I know this doesn't count since it wasn't insomniac Spiderman but a version of Spiderman wearing the black suit from one of the shows beat the sinister six while he was asleep
"Small Building Level Spiderman" ye dont know wtf my guy was cooking with that. That power planet Exploding was like City block level and he walked it off...brother walked it off.
He is at least city plus even in base given he fights and damages hammerhead and causes city wide shockwaves And given new calcs to sandman is mountain to island level Maybe even more
@@oliverthedum2129 Does Anything in fiction make any sense? Why can Spiderman get bit and become a superhuman? Y'all anti Powerscalers have no real imagination which makes me believe your intelligence isn't that high
@@TheeSinnerman when did I say I was anti power scaler??? Power scaling is not a religion a remark about it shouldn’t be this deep. And might I add wtf would “small building level” mean in a character context? Maybe if you were ranking construction equipment that term would work
I see SpiderMan winning extreme diff just because of SSKTJL feats and you can't just count that out since it's canon and it's Arkham batman...I don't think you acknowledge that at all which makes no sense
thank you so much for making this video, I never played any of the games and thought Batman easily won, but I didn’t know spiderman could do any of these other things. Now I see spiderman easily wins against Batman, W video and debunking.
It’s extremely simple: Spider-Man wasn’t able to beat Silver Sable (I don’t care was he holding back or not, Batman was also holding back against, don’t know, The Arkham Knight, for example), while Batman in his younger years was able to defeat Meta-human Deathstroke, guy who later took down about 9 Brainiacs solo
@@БогданКаушан-к4н if it is extremely simple then why did you get it wrong? Confirmed Alyernate Deathstroke - that scaling doesn’t apply to Batman since even 1 Brainiac fodderised Batman and the league You acknowledge Batman and Spiderman were holding back yet for some reason favour Batman? Bias much? Acting as if Pete couldn’t take her head off if he actually wanted to put her down. All whilst conveniently ignoring Spiderman 2 where Peter gets stronger?…. Well you certainly tried
@ It wasn’t alternative Deathstroke, it’s pretty obvious from his lines and also was confirmed by developers. Yes, Batman was fooled by Brainiac and that is actually a fair point, but Batman wasn’t ready for that battle, while Deathstroke knew about Brainiacs and his mind control ability (also he is ok with killing, unlike Batman) that was probably what gave him that opportunity Actually about SM. He probably can defeat Silver Sable, but in literally every their cutscene (and even in gameplay she simply counters with unblockable attack every 3rd of your attack) Peter is shown as a fool, who cannot do anything to her And about SM2… well, he was saved by Miles so many times there that I really started to think that it is him, who is apprentice and not Miles. Peter has only 1 advantage over Batman (instead the same abilities that had his meta-human enemies, like, once again, Deathstroke or Ra’s) and it is spider senses, but they are so broken and work only when writers want them to work, so we can’t say for sure if it helps him against Batman or not
@@TheGamingRift11 if only there was at least one small cutscene, where Peter (at least) easily just counters Silver Sable’s attack after being annoyed by her - no question, he can beat her, but the game shows that he can’t do anything against. He shouldn’t not have even kicked her, just block/counter her attack in a cutscene
@@TheGamingRift11 Even if we look at SM villains there are only 2 of them that Batman might have problems with: Kraven and Venom (and about Venom, only if Batman has no prep time) Rhino - easy with his electric gadget Doc Oc - not even a fight. Using disruptor and it’s just an angry I’ll scientist Scorpion - remember Copperhead? Pretty the same Shocker - remember Electrocutioner? Same stuff Tombstone - literally every guy on Venom Hammerhead - if disruptor doesn’t help with his body - than disrupt his gun and it’s pretty the same as every Titan guy (like Bane on TN-1) Silver Sable - pretty the same as The Arkham Knight (but looking at how OP she was in the game, it may be a problem) Mr.Negative - literally Ra’s in Arkham City Electro - maybe with the use of his transport, but I think Batman is able to knock him without so many problems Sandman - Clayface Kraven - yes, this might be a problem, because it’s literally Russian Batman with meta-human powers, but even SM wasn’t able to beat him). Batman might beat him, but it’s definitely won’t be as easy as with previous villains Venom - with some prep time - easy win for Batman, but without Batman can lose
@@Cameronator256 I refuse to believe Official Divine is this massive Batman fanboy when he has said DC caps at 6D. That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've seen.
No superpowes either? Just bare fist fighting? Or does Spidey get an upgrade? If we're talking about Insomniac Spidey then power won't matter because he can die of 6 punches from regular goons. Batman wins. Natty>Spidersteroid
Sewer slide squad is not part of the Arkham series. We Arkham fans refute that AAA greedy studio slop... Take notes ;) Also... Spidey can get killed by a right hook in the games so.... Let's talk logic shall we?
Idk why it’s so hard for Batman fans to accept this debate it’s so obvious Spider-Man just wins especially this Spider-Man vs this bat man now comics can really go either way bc Batman has hella plot armor such as dodging punches from people like the reverse flash then getting punched by the joker 😂 so that is a toss up but in terms of this argument there’s nothing Batman could do realistically do to damage Spider-Man he would rip him to shreds 😂
Keep going keep living Never stop till you do what you set out to do Wise men follow this In other words great video Hope people take this as constructive criticism
I agree that spiderman wins this one on one but i also very much think it is a high diff fight each way. best of 10, 8/10 times spiderman would win but it will def be one of his hardest fights yet
Puffer wrote, made, edited, and uploaded another 🔥 debunk vid, and you had your hooman servent read tge line sadly he didn't turn on his robot voice again, but at least he didn't show his face,that was pure main character syndrome right there, but ay better than nothing.
@JustinJulian-00 true, but if Spidey isn't bloodlusted, he's still gonna hold back and not go for the kill. Compared to if he IS bloodlusted, where he will almost immediately go for the kill... or failing that a fight ending crippling blow. Either way, I do agree bats don't have much of a chance regardless
Ok angsty Spidey let's take a trip... To The Batman Who Laughs. Or let's just stick to the Insomniac and Rocksteady characters yeah? Btw Insomniac Spidey doesn't have a chance against Arkham Batman. Go to a random goon with the superhuman Spiderman and see how many hits you can take before you die. Divide it by 20 and that's how many hits it would take for Batman to take down Insomniac Spidey
A lot I disagree with in this video. Pretty sure my brother already commented but we can run this on discord or discuss it. you can join our server or give me ur discord and we can go through your video and we can address it.
@@TheGamingRift11 flash did push bruce out the way Since supes either flew to the sun or out the atmosphere hes likely faster than superman I think its plausable for supes to go to the sun since in comics he goes for sun dips and he had a yellow glow to him Thats likely a mtfl feat considering flash is supposed to be faster than superman I still say its an achivement since bruce was pushed out the way and considering flash has dodged bullets while distracted and even dodged a bullet and even dodged a bullet when a gun was 2 inches from his head Even if flash was caught off guard its still an impressive feat to even do Even tho this batman is stated to be enhanced i dont think spiderman can pull anything off like this yet but its still debateable since peters dodges electricity and this flash doesnt have much feats but if supes did go to the sun he should be faster than peter
Dude that's completely irrelevant, and batman coudve has just predicted where flash was going and not actually knowing where flash is and tackling him, goodness there are so many arkham fan boys it's hilarious 😂
@@dawudabdulali3827 its not being a fanboy batman wasnt expecting flash to throw him out the way Its also in batmans character to even pull off a feat like that hes beaten flash and even hit flash before in comics stop lowballing Even if batman predicted it like your THEORY then that still makes batman always 3 steps ahead as batman would know everything peter could do or how he can dodge an attack from him So therefore rendering spider sense irrelevent as bruce can think of every place peter would dodge to Plus batman wouldnt even have time to predict where flash would go if be was caught off guard so i dont know what your point was
👍 If Arkham Batman is unable to beat Base Insomniac Spider-man then concede that Kraven in the games and comics is a walking plot hole. Not only that but Divine saying Peter “Survived being knocked through a vault” is obviously not indicating that Spider-man is about to die from it, this is pure cognitive dissonance. Divine also didn’t mention how Solomon Grundy, an immortal part time superman villain who gets stronger the more he dies canonically was defeated, not to mention that Bruce had already outran AND defeated him in the Handheld Arkham Blackgate game. Also saying that Batman’s liquid material suit in knight would hyper scale him to Astronomically stronger than himself in city (obviously the suit amps him by default) is pure delusion. We also have zero reason to believe that Miles saying “vaporize all of Harlem” is a completely accurate measurement of the damage by Miles, but it would roughly be around that level. The fear multi takedowns are also literally canon which is why it’s blatantly mentioned by Lucious Fox and Batman canonically in the dialogue, Obviously Symbiote spider-man and Anti Venom Spider-man completely mangles base Arkham Batman and Suicide Squad Batman, HOWEVER Divine failed to mention the Wii- U armored edition suits AND the fact that Arkham Batman actually canonically owns and can use pretty much every DLC suit from all the games. Including the White Lantern and Yellow Lantern suit, so if Symbiote Spider-man is used, then we can simply have Arkham Batman put the fight on even grounds with overpowered suits with hax like those😂. So it’s in your best interest to keep the fight confined to their Base, For one, Divine was blatantly wrong about Arkham Batman being “faster” than Insomniac Spider-Man, however speed shouldn’t be that much of an issue within the fight due to how we see Kraven landing hits and literally out right KILLING Peter Parker, mind you Peter has MJ literally right there in the vicinity which should make him not hold back or fight at his absolute best in order to keep her safe, similar to how Peter reacts to Fisk targeting Aunt May in the comics, but not fully blood lusted and more so “locked in”. Spider-man also cannot react to Arkham Batman’s explosive gel instantly combusting after just sitting on the ground as a seemingly harmless liquid, and if the explosive gel was placed onto the remote batarangs, that’s even more dangerous for Peter since even if he dodged it, the remote batarang being near him with the gel would be enough alone. But let’s bring it back to Kraven, where does Kraven scale? Well even if we assume that Kraven is exactly equal to his comic counterpart, or slightly weaker, Kraven in the comics is stated as being able to run at 60 mph max, and should be consistently weaker than Captain America. The reason that I bring up comic Kraven’s running speed is because if his overall bodily stats are relative to that, that would literally mean that he is ONLY twice the strength and speed of a peak human, since the literal definition of a peak human in comics and in reality is somebody that is at the pinnacle for physical performance, meaning that even if we assume that Arkham Batman is only equal in speed to Usain Bolt, (Bolts max speed was 28 MPH, which is close to 30 mph, that’s literally half the speed that COMIC Kraven is stated to be, so logically explain to me, how Kraven who is barely twice the physical attributes of Batman, can outright knock out and bury symbiote spider-man in the comics and how Insomniac Kraven literally one shotted and killed Spidey instantaneously, just off pure skill and cunning, the only real difference in Kraven and Batman’s skill set is that Kraven is super human by such a small margin (the 2x peak human scale I proved) and that Kraven doesn’t know all martial arts, is not a genius with a 200 IQ (Bane is stated as having an IQ of 180 in Arkham Origins, so Arkham Batman scales way beyond that by default) and also has less resources due to not being as rich and having less gadgets. So the whole debate ends the moment that you concede that Arkham Batman should be able to defeat Base Insomniac Spider-Man in ps4 (who is weaker due to not having nano arms) AND Spider-man 2’s base who has the iron arms but still died to Kraven in a heartbeat. If you don’t concede that Arkham Batman beats Base Insomniac Spider-man, then concede that Kraven winning in the games is a plot hole.😂 Your Move. 🫵🏿
Also Arkham Batman combod a Great White Shark after a jump scare with zero reaction after already being damaged and fatigued throughout city, before even fighting Grundy, whereas Spider-man was literally intimidated by Kraven’s tiger multiple times. Just wanted to add that in to show Arkham Batman’s lack of fear compared to Spidey (which is insane when Spidey literally rushes to fight skyscraper sized Sandman) (Granted he was just dodging most of his attacks rather than tanking it, and had mile’s electricity and his own iron arms to help with that)
@@TheGamingRift11 For one, when did I say he’s only peak human, for two I already said Kraven is super human. For Three how does Kraven one shot Base Fully Focused Spider-man yet you claim Arkham Batman wouldn’t be able to merely K.O him?
@@TheRealBillix I honestly think Batman could beat Spider-Man at least in his base form and would scale up to Symbiote Spider-Man, if Kraven has been able to beat him thanks to his skill and cunning then why couldn't Batman? Who's physical stats are relatively close to Kraven's more than these people think, he's smarter, strategic, a better fighter, and has more resources and money, not to mention he already said that his technology was unmatched, and he could also defeat the Sinister 6 with Prep Time like Kraven did, Batman came up with contingency plans to beat every member of the Justice League, I don't understand why these people think he couldn't. Rift extremely underestimates Batman.
this guy does not listen to the video completely at all he listens to it for 10 secs then complains for example he was starting with weaker feats for example small build and u complaining saying how they aren’t ofc they aren’t ur not giving the video time to explain Another example of this dude he complains about how divine talked about them being fast enough to dodge bullets and then later goes on to higher dodging feats such as spiderman dodging lightning and during the bullet dodging talk he says how he low balls them and talks about how divine isn’t talking about the lightning feats. Like this dude has no patience whatsoever
@@TheGamingRift11Yes that you did but my god you had no patience for the video to speak for itself another example is you saying where is symbiote spider man feats and then you complaining about it then 3 minutes later symbiote appears and your all fine now Divine goes over weak to stronger feats if he started with strong feats then weak ones at the end it wouldn’t make sense if he started with weak and slowly stronger and stronger feats it would make the video way more hype which it is + how his video is edited and made
People need to forget which characters they like more and have less of a bias. I prefer Batman slightly over Spiderman but Spiderman in most cases has the edge. I prefer the Spider-man character over Superman but that fight should easy for Superman. I prefer Chris Evan''s Captain America over the Rock's Black Adam but Black Adam would win in a fight 99/100. I think Homelander and Omni Man are better characters than Sentry and Hyperion but they would most likely lose to them in a fight. Tony Soprano is a much better character than Rey Skywalker but Rey Skywalker would most likely beat him in a fight. Good characters are more important than making overpowered characters who can bench press the world 1000 times or hold the power of star in their hands or other stupid feats some of these characters do in comics.
I do disagree with you kinda lowballing batmans combat skill Batman struggled against jason due to him being caught off guard and jason himself literally having years of extensive traning with batman and deathstroke Not to mention jason was also out speeding tim drake and even caught deathstrokes staff when he was caught off guard Deathstroke is literally like a superior version of captain america not to mention batman was in a slower less mobile armor when fighting slade I disagree batman beat him high diff since most the fight was gameplay itself and batman didnt seem injured or having critical injuries as he sustains in the comics Id say he beat slade mid diff I love how you debunked batmans gadgets its not like batman can even hit peter with any of the gadgets batman has
@@officialdivine.. How does Arkham Batman beat Insomniac Spider Man. Ain’t no way you came to that conclusion and you can call yourself a good power scaler without any biases.
Batman is my favorite superhero of all time. However, even I'm not gonna dick ride him to try and prove a false equivalent to Spider-man. I fully acknowledge base Spider-man completely blitz Batman in a no-holds battle.
Would you steady agree Batman wins with prep time, I believe without that shit he wins. His experience and strong mental would give him the edge, if he gets his hands on spider man it’s wraps
Batman fanboys always come up with the prep time shit like dude, if Batman can get prep time then give other characters that are fighting against him have prep time too
Why are people comparing a rich guy that adopts every other orphan with a a teenager that has a depressing life I get it batman one shots rich guy from marvel but why a poor teenager who barely has money to live his life normally 💀
I agree with everything you said in this vid but i like official's editing skills and bro you talking about the way he talks is crazy have some respect my dude and look at urself before you talk about another person lol
Lol sure u say ur not a hater but you are even if he sounds different you didnt have to call it out like that my guy if ur annoyed by his voice thats ur problem and hes editting is fire my bro. And ima just say it hes kinda better than what you've done😅
@officialdivine.. Awesome. I'd love to see this debate. I'm a huge fan btw, I just disagree with your take on the arkham batman vs insomniac spiderman thing
@@officialdivine..Good on you for confronting it directly, you were entirely right that Arkham Batman wins, but you merely scratched the surface of Arkham Batman’s scaling in your video, which is why it was so easy to for him to nitpick, I also don’t think you should have even brought up Symbiote Spider-man when the argument should be regarding both of their bases.
Dude has badass edits, absolutely love them. But he's got a dogshit ass take on this fight. Spider-Man wins 99/100 times. Maybe Batman catches him in a coma and catches a W.
I think batman scales to city block or large town level scaling specially since batman could 2 shot Deathstroke which would be 5x boost from previous feats and there's even feats better for suicide spuad but still not close spiderman is island level and batman can lift 3 tons while the spider arms alone can lift 10 tons that alone is more than 3x than batman feats and for speed batman=relavistic-light speed. Spiderman=ftl but people sometimes scale batman to solar system level because king shark was stated to be as strong as superman and batman 1 shotted him but i think that's not consistent
This guy is basically arguing Batman is outclassed by Spider-Man and somehow still wins. His arguments are very self defeating. This is what I mean by Batman fanboys treating super powers as though they aren't advantages: no matter what they will find a way to argue Batman can find a way around it no matter how unlikely, almost like the power isn't being treated as an advantage.
Honestly insomniac spidey beats arkham batman and its not even funny. If batman had prep, it would be a 50/50 in my opinion, but just a random encounter, spidey beats batman. I love Arkham batman, but insomniac spidey beats him. And question, does insomniac spidey scale to 616 peter?(I know he isn't stronger, hut does he at least scales)
It's interesting seeing more people come out and debunk Divine's takes, it's actually pretty funny lol. If there are any more of his videos you disagree with you should debunk those too
Its really not down to their power or feats the only question you should ask is do you think batman can beat Kraven? Kraven has beat base spiderman and although he can't beat symbiote spiderman he has a weakness to sound which I'm sure batman has at his disposal.
No I do think Kraven would bully Batman Although saying “it’s not down to their power or feats” isn’t a great start to an argument since it’s LITERALLY down to those things
@@TheGamingRift11 I'm stating according to their stats (power & feats) spiderman wins however this isn't the case in a fight. According to banes powers and skills batman should lose however he doesn't (Arkham origins) and when spiderman is faced with kraven he statistically should win however he doesn't and gets stabbed and tossed to the ground like a ragdoll (this might just be a plot device to get him the black suit however) he also engaged silver sable and was put in his place twice. Spiderman is a formidable combatant however there is nothing batman can't counter and of course spiderman has his spider sense but it wouldn't detect batman in stealth as its only works if he's about to get attacked. All batman needs to do is go into stealth disable Spiderman's gadgets and then get out of stealth have spiderman attack him then counter and win. You can't say batman wouldn't be able to beat spiderman in a one on one because even with his enhanced strength batman has him outclassed and has beat villains that are significantly stronger than him. Although I think batman would win even without weaponised fear toxin in ss ( which he could use to stun spiderman). Given the evidence of fights its fair to say spiderman is an excellent fighter however his losses prove he has a limit even though he comes back he is significantly injured (broken bones) and batman has proven that he has no limits making him superior. You do make a good point and I like both of these characters so I don't care who wins but I have to go with batman.
@@phelixmadden7294Yeah you shouldn’t have started a power scaling debate by basically saying the scaling doesn’t matter, although I don’t know what Crack this man is on, saying that Kraven, who is weaker than Captain America, would beat Arkham Batman who blatantly punched the turd out of Grundy, Clayface (who is similar to sandman in terms of abilities) and Killer Croc, who is stronger than bane by the time of asylum or city, and is amped vastly beyond that by the time of Knight’s season if infamy DLC. So yeah
@echamp2448 "I don’t know what Crack this man is on saying that Kraven, who is weaker than Captain America, would beat Arkham Batman who blatantly punched the turd out of Grundy, Clayface (who is similar to sandman in terms of abilities) and Killer Croc, who is stronger than bane by the time of asylum or city, and is amped vastly beyond that by the time of Knight’s season if infamy DLC. So yeah" Maybe the crack called "Kraven is stronger than base Spider-Man, something they both show and tell you with how Kraven very easily beat and killed most of the Sinister Six. The same Sinister Six whose members individually scale to/above Spider-Man in one way or another. The same Spider-Man who, despite having these equals, was able to briefly hold his own against 5 of them at once, then go on to beat the majority in a 1v2 whilst tired and with 14 broken bones. The same Spider-Man whose base gets stronger by the 2nd game, and Kraven would still manage to blatantly overpower Peter when he stabbed him. The same Kraven who goes on to hold his own against Spider-Man with the Black Suit, with Kraven implying in both times they fought that Peter was more than capable of killing him if he wanted to, with the first before he got amped by the meteorite and went on a rampage." Long name, but the streets call it "Logic" for short.
@@LibraKai Not at all, it’s most definitely the actual type of crack, where you think that Scorpion and the other sinister six members, who were NEVER stated to be stronger than Base Spider-man except Rhino, in which case Kraven is also weaker than him and only would have beaten him through skill rather than outright over powering him. You also gloss over the fact that Kraven fought each of these Sinister six members in one on one battles while Spider-man did in fact face them 1 on 5, BUT ALSO fought all of them except Mr. Negative and Doc Ock in 2v1s with a myriad of broken bones, AND Fatigued you also are so doped up that you somehow think Kraven is stronger even though he never had a genuine 1 on 1 fight where he didn’t stab Peter unexpectedly in the liver with Scorpion’s poison, after Peter tried to punch him with a fist that would have been held back after he had already combod multiple of Kraven’s normal human cronies. Not only that but the Tie-In comics where Insomniac Peter fights 616 Spider-man while he himself was Bloodlusted and where Superior Spider-man conceded that Insomniac Spider-Man was relative to himself in swinging speed and strength in Spider Geddon, which therefore means that he scales to Superior Spider-man’s prior feats of fighting Morlun and his group in the same comic as well as Superior Spider-man’s feats of demolishing Scorpion’s head off with a single punch. You also debunked your own argument by pointing out that Black Suit Spider-man “could have killed Kraven if he wanted” showing that he held back, not only this but in the fights where Kraven “holds his own” he almost always is fighting with the bell or is fighting a “held back” black suit spider-man, even in the final Kraven V Black Suit fight, he literally says “You still hold back” to Peter in the first phase of the Boss, then even in the second phase of the fight he relies on the bell, droid dogs, Mines, cloaking, snipers and other equipment, so at what point was Kraven actually “holding his own” against a fully fledged, not held back Black Suit Peter? Never, not once, even in the church bell scene it’s confirmed Peter was less lethal and more held back at that point. So not only are you BSing about Kraven being able to “hold his own” (as if that is indicative, given all the handicaps for a “held back” Symbiote Peter) But you are also completely dead wrong about Kraven being Stronger than Base Spider-man who has fought and beaten Sandman solo multiple times before SM1, has bicep curled multiple moving 40 ton train carts through the subway AFTER fighting Martin Li and his henchmen, Mr. Negative is also shown to be able to inflict and tank large city block scale explosions at the Osborn rally, and Peter had beaten him a second time with broken bones as well. Unless you somehow think Insomniac Kraven is blatantly stronger than Superior Spider-man from spider Geddon you are UNEQUIVOCALLY wrong about Kraven’s scaling. So yes, you are on crack and in deep need of psyche pills. On top of that, it’s confirmed that Fisk in the first game that he almost killed Peter in a previous fight with a blade, so by your logic he must also scale way over Base Spider-man, it makes no sense. Lastly, none of the Sinister Six are stated to be equal to Peter regardless of if they were strong or weaker, Kraven also stated he struggled with Shocker, who Base Spider-man utterly dogwalks in the first game. There’s also zero evidence that Kraven scales above Mile’s Harlem scale blast from the Miles Morales game. It should also be hyper obvious that Insomniac’s devs would not intentionally create a version of Kraven that could never be beaten by Spider-man without the Symbiote. To top it all off, Rhino’s death isn’t even confirmed in SM2, meaning that the only Sinister Six member physically stronger than base Spider-man, DIDN’T EVEN FIGHT KRAVEN. So all your claims are dead in the water. If anything you’re devoid of logic.
Now I do agree with this video but I feel like your nit picking a little too much, Devine specifically likes to build up characters that’s why he brung up larger feats after smaller ones
@@Unfazed-hn8yf the reason I nitpick is because I didn’t make the video. He had the opportunity to spend hours, weeks, months etc on his video and as a result I don’t pull any punches. Especially since I don’t like when people fixate on 1 area of strength only to fixate on another level whilst ignoring context (a weaker Batman performing the small building stuff to give an example) Since that usually screams dishonesty or major bullshit is imminent. Especially when that person hyper fixates on “blitzing 10 men in 10 seconds” as if that’s even remotely impressive for either hero given their consistent speed levels
@@TheGamingRift11 oh I know, all this is the reason why I stopped watching his videos a while ago. But for him, he likes to specifically build up characters (which is one of the reasons why I stopped watching him) then getting to the point, but for this video he severely left out feats and lowballed both characters (like you said) which really annoyed me throughout his video but what I wanted to point out is that he just likes to build up characters but for this video he purposely left out other feats.
arkham fanboys think he beats everyone he doesn't beat spiderman, leon,chris, wesker, snake or anything that has better scaling and deals with way more crazier stuff than a group of criminals taking over a city
Batman definitely beats Chris and Leon, and I’m a huge RE glazer. You’re putting a peak human who runs on comic logic vs a tough soldier and a secret agent who run on action movie logic. Like Batman’s tech alone is too out there for the RE boys. Wesker is a weird one because he’s powerful enough to snap someone’s neck before they can even react and yet he still chooses to do a bunch of flips and kicks first.
@@bell5248 Chris and Leon? Absolutely not. Peak humans in RE don’t even compare to Arkham Batman, durability wise. Especially given the fact that Bats is wearing both normal body armor and ballistic body armor. Equipment wise, the craziest thing the pair have is Leon with a grappling hook and all the guns the two can use which, come on, Batman deals with guns all the time. Compare that with Batman’s smoke bombs, gun jammers, cryo bombs, explosive gel, and the freakin smart tank that is the Batmobile? Yeah no, their gear is outclassed. You can even break it down to hand to hand and Batman clearly stomps given that he’s known to have mastered all fighting styles in the world (stupid feat but it’s a comic book game so whatever)
@@cidlufaine9044 ok? his equal are none legal and can dont kill normal people chris and leon can tank rpgs that can near vaporise beings that are literally 1000 times stronger than a normal human the basic zombie can walk off a 40 ton semi hitting them and thats the weakest zombies, leon and chris make their heads explode and can kill multiple with a single blow leon has somewhat reacted to lasers and light both leon and chris are more experienced than arkham batman and have fought bigger things than him both leon and chris are master melee fighters so its not like they are gonna be completely overwhelmed even if u want to say they are completely out classed, their stats carry btw their gear can nearly vaporise bows and the weakest viruses have statements saying they are 100 times stronger and more durable than normal humans chris made a 150 ton boulder go sliding with his hits he was able to take hits and break out of a grab from final boss wesker which is crazy because a guide states that wesker is the strongest thing he has fought to that point, which would include a being that took a city destroy satellite beam and a being that lifted a cruise ship cruise ships are heavier than godzilla btw also bruce can struggle with groups of normal gun men when leon and chris can take on groups of trained superhumans with guns and are better shots than anyone in the arkham verse i like arkham batman but re has had 25 years and games of feats and tooks of books
Arkham Batman says and is shown in story multiple times to struggle with heavy gunfire but Catwoman dodges ONE laser and its light speed scaling I hate yall power scalers on everything bro
I think you’re confusing gameplay mechanics with canon. Batman is pretty consistently at least a bullet timer throughout the series. In Arkham knight they state verbatim he’s faster than he’s ever been before due to the suits materials. And we literally see during multi fear takedowns the bullets are perceived as slow motion in mid air, as always no hate and I think Spider-Man would beat Batman 1v1 in a blood lusted fight. But to imply Batman struggles with bullets is ludicrous
@@Goji-C Bullets are only slow nothin during those takedowns because it’s a gameplay mechanic, their are several times in the entire series Batman flat out stated thugs with guns are a threat to him and he needs to think up a plan, like the cathedral scene in Arkham city. And that was BEFORE they grabbed the hostages
@@TheGamingRift11 no but you did act like him saying that Batman and spider man both got hurt by weaker people was stupid And I never said that you said it I said by you own logic and the 2 emojis at the end show it’s a joke dog
Another person who fan boys over arkham batman, its hilarious how people really thinks batman beats spiderman, Littaraly the only way arkhak batman can win is wit prep time, but spidey also gets prep time, it would just be a unbalaced fight, tbh I get why they thunk batman wins, when your a kid or fam boy you dont like it when your favorite hero loses.
Batman standing still to hack would be gameplay. You cant scale on game play and critize it obviously batman can hack and fire his disruptor on the move as well as explosive gel
Ok, sooo ? It would still leave him exsposed, and it would be very difficult to aim at peter since spiderman is always on the move, amd it way faster than bruce.
@@dawudabdulali3827 im not saying it wins it or anything. Its just silly to say he couldnt move while using them?? Why you so ready to be mad? When did i say it won him the fight in my message above?? It doesnt im just pointing out hypocrisy so yeah stfu
Calling Sandman/Rhino/etc city block level, even when they never really destroy more than a large building or two at a time? Given enough time you need only be just over large building to destroy a city and destruction over time doesn’t scale your DC up, I.E. destroying a planet over infinite time doesn’t make you planetary. So if nobody has city block DC, where are we getting city block AP? Implications, especially through hyperbole, aren’t evidence; like random “unbreakable” or “vaporize” statements; to my knowledge the only way you get city block or higher AP is through taking the Harlem vaporize statement literally and applying that retroactively. There’s something to be said for lowballing them both, but that’s better than wanking.. But Batman dodges freeze rays, being laser based weaponry, both in games/comics/Arkham animated media; dodges electric/lightning/energy blasts multiple times in Riddler’s Gambit & the AK comic; that level of speed is consistent for Batman without any need for spider-sense which makes his speed feats more impressive.
44:53 Adding onto that, they made it a point multiple times in the story that Braniac didn't even WANT the Squad killed, so no matter how you look at it, he and the League were holding back and basically toying with them FROM THE BEGINNING.
Bro really said "batman is faster than spiderman because catwoman can dodge little lazers" even though spiderman dodging pure lighting while injured.
Meh, Lazers are faster than lightning but The lightning isn’t lightning it’s electricity, which can go all the way from 50% the speed of light all the way to the speed of light depending on where your balling
@EclipseEG considering electro almost became pure energy I'd say it was pretty high.
@@EclipseEGon top of Electro most likely going all-out against Spider-Man in an attempt to kill him, Batman’s “laser feat” comes short because we NEVER see him do it. Even then, it’s Catwoman who performed the feat (I know Batman scales past her), and there’s a question if she can do that consistently, same with Batman. Spider-Man can consistently dodge Electricity and Lightning, since the Oscorp Lab Side Missions from PS4 are canon, as we see Spider-Man pull these feats off consistently.
Any relative feats between the two automatically end up with Peter being slower. Spider-Sense allows extra reaction time therefore nothing he does is raw speed, meanwhile Batman is raw speed.
@Nezxmi really?? Nothing he does is raw speed 🤣. Yea ok, let's ignore the fact that spider man was able to keep and out paste venom, electro, and miles, all considered to be faster than light but yea not "raw speed" 🤣🤣.
I love my Goat Spiderman scaling videos. Favorite thing to watch on my free time aside from just shows. Keep up the great content. I even do enjoy some cool batman content so thanks for being one of the more consistent content creators on this topics
Holy shit thank you so much!! It really means a lot
@@TheGamingRift11yo i agree with Spider-Man taking it by logic. But all ican correct is batman wasnt struggling only with fear toxin, he had jokers blood in him trying to take over.
Batman found out the key to overpower the toxin was through joker in knight.
The king shark from assault on arkham was the father of the suicide squad king shark so thats the other correction. Anyway if you do scale superman properly, sonic gets smoked. I habe faith in ya.
I love how both official devine and the last guy both fan boyed over arkham batman, and somhow they both low balled bruce at some points 😂
I hate how he uses tie in comics for Arkham Batman while not using any for Insomniac Spider-Man.
Exactly. And a lotta them areng even canon
It's because Insomniac SpiderMans comics aren't canon to the games because of the many inconsistents and even the writer doesn't know if it's canon and the devs never acknowledge it into the main timeline
@@Kumo0toko Same thing goes for Arkham Batman.
@@Kumo0tokothe dev said he doesn't know if it's canon or not meaning it isn't taken into account and even then offical materiel goes against this if it's a no. They blatantly confirm that spidey is from 1048. There's only one 1048 and that's the insomniac game verse. Confirmed by marvel itself (the one that has the most power). The SM2 game events leads up after the SM2 comic which references spider geddon. So yes, the comics actually are canon.
@@videogamelnandcomicbooksca7474the writer of the comic said he doesn't know whether or not they are canon. The image is in CRISIS' video on Insomniac vs Tobey. Additonally, the comics, games, and the Spider-Verse films all contradict each other. Basically, each form of media has its own multiverse. That's why the MCU, Peter B. Parker's universe, and Marvel comics all share the same earth designation of 616. It's quite simple.
I dont think you can argue that batmans mental fortitude is equal or less than Peter's. The toxin hallucinations are showing batman conquering the nightmare while also physically besting scarecrow in the real world.
Yeah, plus, literal ounces of the toxin was able to drive the a whole restaurant of people insane
17:55 High Hypersonic is a term it's the one right after hypersonic+ and encompasses mach 25-100
Hypersonic+ is mach 10-25 and it's closer to explosion dodging feats and what not.
He's still wrong since spiderman's lightning dodges are head on and would be massively hypersonic at absolute minimum and more like relativistic+ considering electro uses pure electricity.
@@DaichiOkami gotcha
You can easily argue that Peter is anticipating/aim-dodging due to Spider-sense, in fact that’s exactly how it works. Batman has no such crutch.
Actually High-Hypersonic is the same as Hypersonic+ as they both encompass Mach 10-25; commonly known as "Massively Hypersonic" in powerscaling community. Mach 25-100 is known as "Re-entry speeds"
@@Nezxmi spiderman is literally shown reacting to and moving at relative speed after the lightining as been fired. He also blitzes electro repeatedly and has even been able to see lightning in slow motion repeatedly in almost every adaptation of the character. Don't be one of those people claiming spidersense does everything because it's been shown dozens of times before that if he's not fast enough to move away on his own then he can't dodge spider sense or not. It's not and intant dodge button it's a warning and foresight as to how to move to properly evade something.
@@LibraKai that's just wrong. Regular hypersonic is mach5-10
Hypersonic+ is 10-25
High hypersonic is 25-50
And high hypersonic+ is 50-100.
Massively hypersonic is 100 onwards.
19:12 guy : says random feat
Rift : ‘complete mental breakdown’
8:22 also Kraven had prep-time meaning it was ACTUALLY unbreakable
I feel like spider man wouldn't slam Batman, but he still wins, as Batman is a better fighter (Mastering every martial art) and maybe is smarter. Would Batman lose? Yes. But would it be an easy fight? I don't think so, it would be a bit tough. Anyway, thanks for coming to my ted talk
Pretty much.
Nah, peter is far faster than batman, he can get to brucie boy before he can even react, and peter also has better gadgets for this fight.
@@dawudabdulali3827 Thanks for sharing your opinion! While I disagree, I can see the argument
@@Crokadile1243 Not an opinion, he's right. Peter can zip to batman and has better reaction time because of his sense
@@Crokadile1243Pete would punch a hole straight through Bruce if he pleased
Batmans not surviving the insomverse
The “blitzing regular humans” comments cracked me up 😂
PUFFER IN THE CHAT
Meanwhile he blitz ninjas and raj all ghul who is so fast he looks like hes teleporting
Able to react and beat deathstroke in a heavy armor and less mobile suit in origins
YOU LISTENED!!! You're the Goat powerscaler fr
I love Official Divines editing...but when it comes to scaling bro is arguably worse than Danco 😭.
Nah danco is worse in my opinion he just reuses a lot of his audio and lies
Still trash, but not worse than Danco. Danco literally has ZERO knowledge about powerscaling and uses lifting weights to describe the power of characters
Nah danco is objectively way worse
Danco is objectively worse, he doesn’t know anything about scaling at all.
Yea I love his videos though I don't take the scaling
I know this topic is heavily talked about by many youtubers, and I've seen many say Arkham Batman wins, and I keep laughing to myself because in no world would Spiderman lose, nor would Batman have the strength to even harm him. Like dawg... 🗿I hate seeing people glaze the 'Bat-God' and have him win these naturally unwinnable scenarios. Like dear god...
Well said I agree
This should kill the whole thing that spiderman. Holds back😂 batman be giving it his all against a villain like joker
To be fair, if this wasn't arkham batman vs insomniac spider-man and was just the generic batman vs spider-man no source material restrictions, batman would win. Without any source material restrictions batman would have the hell-batsuit and the final batsuit. The hell-batsuit let's him and if I remember right Lois lane go toe to toe with darksied and the final batsuit let's him fully manipulate all of reality to his will. But since it's more limited to being the video game version spider-man obviously wins
All Batman fans say give him prep time but they never give spider man prep time
@@CEXTEXWWWNONE Ikr man.
The funny thing about Armor is the person wearing the armor still has to take the impact, that force has to go somewhere it doesn't just disappear. Just because Batman's suit becomes able to withstand a Nuclear Bomb doesn't mean that Bruce Wayne is able to withstand it.
Plus there is one occasion of Insomiac Spider-Man not holding back his strength and its in one of the Science missions, specifically the one where you ground pound the street to follow the clogged drains that were going to blow up busy city streets. Spidey literally says he he has to get up high as he can to build momentum and then come down with that momentum and punch the streets as hard as he can with his momentum on top of his strength, these shockwaves shown from the map go out for literally blocks on end (using real Manhattan as a map the largest one was far in excess of a mile radius) and JJJ's podcast after this he reports citizens were reporting an earthquake in Manhattan but no JJJ says it was Spider-Man punching the streets. Spidey literally shook the island of Manhattan with his blows when he was punching the streets that alone is fucking insane power and Neutons 3rd law would state that Spidey himself has to be able to take those hits if he can dish it out.
Even ignoring the fact that the wearer of the armor still has to take the impact of said force, Batman's jaw ain't tanking a literal island shaking punch
Ngl this is a rare L on Divine’s part.
Rare? This bradda has been meat riding dragon ball for like the past year
not to forget that his spiders arms match doc ocs arms with like 0.02 reaction time which adds more to his strenghth because he can lift tones with it
I’m finally glad someone debunked him
Spider man stomps so hard, he didnt even mention the anti venom suits he officially haves. Point is, batman wouldn’t survive a fight against venom, sandman , and let alone the sinister six
Batman would solo the whole sinister six 😭😭😭 he pulls out the fear toxin, driving Doc Ock insane (his fear is being left paralysed without his arms). He’d take all of them out really easily, considering all of them aren’t mentally secure. Not to mention he’d have the Batmobile.
Spiderman DOES NOT beat Batman blud 😂😂😂
@@Darwinthegoat2709 if u think batman beat spiderman, u is a batman tard. 1v1 battles are all about matchups n spiderman is LITERALLY batman worse matchup . Add on the anti venom suit , what can batman do? His Ap , speed and durability is no where near spider man. Batman is only above him in intelligence and Hand to hand combat, but even all tht wont stop anything since Spiderman has fought multiple people who has better hand to hand fighting than him. If u think Batman can beat spiderman u basically saying he would be abke to tangle n fight against venom n sandman . Which is a HEAVY highball, the bat mobile is trash against spiderman. We have seen spiderman literally rip armored tanks n trucks with ease , spider man holding back got way better feats then batman even going all out. Now comic wise . Batman could solo , same as spiderman , all depends on which counterpart u use but most of the time, spider man would win
@@Darwinthegoat2709doc ock would blitz batman before he could even take out the fear toxin lmao
spiderman with 14 broken bones consistently dodged electro's hits and even blitzed him 2 times, so spiderman is is way faster than batman, it's not even comparable, and doc ock was blitzing spidey easily to the point that peter needed to make a counter suit for him
and here you are saying doc ock would just sit there and do nothing while batman is pulling out the fear toxin, lol sure
insomniac spiderman mid diffs arkham batman, sorry bro
He'd solo them all, Spiderman too. Not with ease but could do it... Consider this Spiderman VS Superman, obviously Superman wins, Superman VS Batman, we KNOW that Batman wins. ALSO YEAH Spidey is a superhuman who can get killed by a right hook from a goon. Yes I played the games and yes they didn't make a better game than what came 9 years are or even 13. Spiderman is OK. It's 2024. Not 2015
@@TheRealBillix uh no, insomniac spidey solos arkham batman mid diff via better feats, he legit takes most of the points
Thank you for making this video. I still love OfficialDivine but his video really needed to be debunked 🙏
I would say ssktjl batman vs symbiote spiderman is closer than each in there base, as ssktjl uses fear gas alot…. Spider sense counters that so hard
Spider-Man can canonically throw busses, he can one shot Batman if he wants, ant that doesn’t count extremely faster reaction times(can literally predict attacks coming) oh and superhuman agility
And he gets killed by right hooks in the game🤣 So Stwong Spidey.... Also Batman can take down Superman. Pretty damn sure a kid from Brooklyn would a little to no threat with or without preparation. Bane is known to be nearly as strong as Spiderman and Killer Croc too... Batman takes them down with ease. Not to mention Spidey uses alot of tech and Batman is a literal hacker genius. All those web upgrades will go bye bye and back to the *dodge, punch, swing, dodge, punch* routine.
@ lmao blue saying Batman can take down superman like he can do shit to him without pulling a green rock or a red sun out of his ass, or the freaking doomsday virus, stfu, bane literally breaks Batman’s spine in miltiple comics when given a fair 1v1, also he isn’t nearly as fast or agile as Spider-Man, which is usually the only thing saving Batman from bane and killer crock.
They do this even with the comics matchups where they’ll try to say Batman and Spider-Man have relevant stats but Batman is far more skilled therefore he wins. They’re disingenuous with almost every version of this matchup. They also do this with MCU Spider-Man vs DCEU Batman where in SethTheProgrammer’s video they claimed Spider-Man is only hypersonic to relativistic while Batman was FTL.
Lmao ikr, Batman fans are too sweaty just to make Batman look good when in reality and by common sense, Spider-Man should almost always win. Batman even loses harder with comic counterparts. Both at base level, Spider-Man should always take the win
This shit is why I friggin hate powerscaling, the exaggerated language they use to describe what characters do sounds ridiculous. By saying Batman is faster than light in any way, you basically just said he's as fast as the Flash. Which we all know he isn't.
@@MataNui. That's why I find it funny lol by Batman is nowhere near the speed of light and gets tag by normal people
@@Mman3560 I remember getting into it with someone who one was claiming that about batfleck and even claimed he wasn't aim dodging, even though I slowed the clip he was talking about down could tell that's exactly what Batman was doing.
I could blitz 10 men in 3 seconds in S-M 1 thanks to the web sphere. Drop in the middle. L3+R3. Win.
Aside from glazers, no one in their right mind would think batman beats Spider-Man. It's just not possible.
Literally everybody: Bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-BUT PREP TIME 🤓🤓🤓🤓☝☝☝☝
I encountered a Batman fan saying Batman wins because he supposedly worked hard for it therefore Batman is stronger than Spider-Man. He even tried to justify it by saying Batman kicked down a tree which is something Spider-Man can do in a normal basis. Also went as far as saying Batman doesn't rely on his weapons even if he is fighting against superpowered people when in canon Batman's gadgets are what makes him a formidable opponent aside from his knowledge, combat, and battle IQ.
@@thanos1335 Not even that. If we're talking about Insomniac Spiderman he doesn't have an ounce of chance against Arkham Batman.
Spidey dies from 6 regular human punches.
@@Mman3560 Yeah Spidey can tank a freight train to the face but better watch out for those common thugs... Their punches kill Spidey.
@@TheRealBillix If that's the Case, Batman dies in 4 punches. Those Arkham Thugs don't mess around.
I really love Official Divine’s vids but he was wrong on that one
Props to you bro
For spider-man:
-He can perceive lasers in slow motion in the hammerhead dlc.
-In the spider-man 2 prequal comic, spider-geddon gets referenced, in spider-geddon handbook its stated that ps4 sm and Superior sm have equal speed, this is further shown in the comic. Superior spider-man scaling to mftl+ or immeasurable speed. In Venomverse reborn comic (that is canon) we see Venom being able to one shot and react to Knulls dragons. Same dragons that overwhelmed 616 Dr strange and Storm. Scaling Venom to 616 strange and storm. And ps4 Sm being somewhat relative (even if he is slightly relative that is still above Batman arkham considering venom would be like outer ap/immeasurable speed lol).
-For in game feats he would scale to Miles explosion that is mountain lvl. Whereas Arkham Batman at best scales to city lvl (nukes) or twice as weak compared to sm. For speed ingame only spider-man is slower, but using the (canon) comics (Spider-geddon or Venomverse reborn) he scales to mftl+ or immeasurable.
I know this doesn't count since it wasn't insomniac Spiderman but a version of Spiderman wearing the black suit from one of the shows beat the sinister six while he was asleep
Omg I don't know if this is because of my comment but if so thank you 🙏 love your videos
Glad you like them! And a tonne of people requested this one
@@TheGamingRift11 ok
@@TheGamingRift11 Do Crisis Insomniac strongest characters and Destro Superman weakest to Strongest videos
"Small Building Level Spiderman" ye dont know wtf my guy was cooking with that.
That power planet Exploding was like City block level and he walked it off...brother walked it off.
He is at least city plus even in base given he fights and damages hammerhead and causes city wide shockwaves
And given new calcs to sandman is mountain to island level
Maybe even more
@@ATalesTruth- I have miles explosion at the end of his game at mountain, so they at least scale there
Power scaling is goofy and makes no sense for real though
@@oliverthedum2129 Does Anything in fiction make any sense? Why can Spiderman get bit and become a superhuman? Y'all anti Powerscalers have no real imagination which makes me believe your intelligence isn't that high
@@TheeSinnerman when did I say I was anti power scaler??? Power scaling is not a religion a remark about it shouldn’t be this deep. And might I add wtf would “small building level” mean in a character context? Maybe if you were ranking construction equipment that term would work
What do you guys think??
I think people need go stop fan boying over brucie boy
I see SpiderMan winning extreme diff just because of SSKTJL feats and you can't just count that out since it's canon and it's Arkham batman...I don't think you acknowledge that at all which makes no sense
@@TheGamingRift11 I see spidey winning mid diff
@@Kumo0tokoHe never counted them out. He acknowledged them near the end of the video.
thank you so much for making this video, I never played any of the games and thought Batman easily won, but I didn’t know spiderman could do any of these other things. Now I see spiderman easily wins against Batman, W video and debunking.
It’s extremely simple: Spider-Man wasn’t able to beat Silver Sable (I don’t care was he holding back or not, Batman was also holding back against, don’t know, The Arkham Knight, for example), while Batman in his younger years was able to defeat Meta-human Deathstroke, guy who later took down about 9 Brainiacs solo
@@БогданКаушан-к4н if it is extremely simple then why did you get it wrong?
Confirmed Alyernate Deathstroke - that scaling doesn’t apply to Batman since even 1 Brainiac fodderised Batman and the league
You acknowledge Batman and Spiderman were holding back yet for some reason favour Batman? Bias much? Acting as if Pete couldn’t take her head off if he actually wanted to put her down.
All whilst conveniently ignoring Spiderman 2 where Peter gets stronger?…. Well you certainly tried
@ It wasn’t alternative Deathstroke, it’s pretty obvious from his lines and also was confirmed by developers. Yes, Batman was fooled by Brainiac and that is actually a fair point, but Batman wasn’t ready for that battle, while Deathstroke knew about Brainiacs and his mind control ability (also he is ok with killing, unlike Batman) that was probably what gave him that opportunity
Actually about SM. He probably can defeat Silver Sable, but in literally every their cutscene (and even in gameplay she simply counters with unblockable attack every 3rd of your attack) Peter is shown as a fool, who cannot do anything to her
And about SM2… well, he was saved by Miles so many times there that I really started to think that it is him, who is apprentice and not Miles.
Peter has only 1 advantage over Batman (instead the same abilities that had his meta-human enemies, like, once again, Deathstroke or Ra’s) and it is spider senses, but they are so broken and work only when writers want them to work, so we can’t say for sure if it helps him against Batman or not
@@TheGamingRift11 if only there was at least one small cutscene, where Peter (at least) easily just counters Silver Sable’s attack after being annoyed by her - no question, he can beat her, but the game shows that he can’t do anything against. He shouldn’t not have even kicked her, just block/counter her attack in a cutscene
@@TheGamingRift11 Even if we look at SM villains there are only 2 of them that Batman might have problems with: Kraven and Venom (and about Venom, only if Batman has no prep time)
Rhino - easy with his electric gadget
Doc Oc - not even a fight. Using disruptor and it’s just an angry I’ll scientist
Scorpion - remember Copperhead? Pretty the same
Shocker - remember Electrocutioner? Same stuff
Tombstone - literally every guy on Venom
Hammerhead - if disruptor doesn’t help with his body - than disrupt his gun and it’s pretty the same as every Titan guy (like Bane on TN-1)
Silver Sable - pretty the same as The Arkham Knight (but looking at how OP she was in the game, it may be a problem)
Mr.Negative - literally Ra’s in Arkham City
Electro - maybe with the use of his transport, but I think Batman is able to knock him without so many problems
Sandman - Clayface
Kraven - yes, this might be a problem, because it’s literally Russian Batman with meta-human powers, but even SM wasn’t able to beat him). Batman might beat him, but it’s definitely won’t be as easy as with previous villains
Venom - with some prep time - easy win for Batman, but without Batman can lose
Bruce is a billionaire while Peter gets no diffed by rent money. Case closed.
Basically this is can spider-man beat moon night and the answer is yes
As you can see im a huge Batman fan, but Spidey wins
Spiderman would win, but in my opinion, it would be very hard for him. Batman doesn't go down easy folks. He finds ways to even the playing field.
Bro is just fan of batman he Always do this sometimes right and wrong
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Respectfully never say shit like that again.
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@@Cameronator256 I refuse to believe Official Divine is this massive Batman fanboy when he has said DC caps at 6D. That has to be the most ridiculous thing I've seen.
@@HelperKaiGlenn yap yap go cry more
How I see it, is having no upgrades for either of them, no batmobile, no partners (like Robin or Miles)
No superpowes either? Just bare fist fighting? Or does Spidey get an upgrade?
If we're talking about Insomniac Spidey then power won't matter because he can die of 6 punches from regular goons.
Batman wins.
Natty>Spidersteroid
@TheRealBillix what are you basing this off of?
The power scale of enemies depends on the difficulty you choose
surprised batman getting shot in the head wasn't mentioned when it came to the maybe nuke proof armor
I was thinking the same thing XD
Like, where tf was that?
@@gravemistakes8427most likely just an outlier
Sewer slide squad is not part of the Arkham series. We Arkham fans refute that AAA greedy studio slop... Take notes ;)
Also... Spidey can get killed by a right hook in the games so.... Let's talk logic shall we?
@@EclipseEG uh huh
@@TheRealBillix Spidey getting killed by a right hook is gameplay, and also an outlier
Idk why it’s so hard for Batman fans to accept this debate it’s so obvious Spider-Man just wins especially this Spider-Man vs this bat man now comics can really go either way bc Batman has hella plot armor such as dodging punches from people like the reverse flash then getting punched by the joker 😂 so that is a toss up but in terms of this argument there’s nothing Batman could do realistically do to damage Spider-Man he would rip him to shreds 😂
Batman beating up reverse flash was so ass you right
Keep going keep living
Never stop till you do what you set out to do
Wise men follow this
In other words great video
Hope people take this as constructive criticism
I agree that spiderman wins this one on one but i also very much think it is a high diff fight each way. best of 10, 8/10 times spiderman would win but it will def be one of his hardest fights yet
Puffer wrote, made, edited, and uploaded another 🔥 debunk vid, and you had your hooman servent read tge line sadly he didn't turn on his robot voice again, but at least he didn't show his face,that was pure main character syndrome right there, but ay better than nothing.
The real question is, if Spidey is bloodlusted and silent for the fight with bats. If so, bats truley has no chance
It wouldn't matter if Spider-Man is bloodlusted or not his base strength is just enough to punch his head off when he feel like it
@JustinJulian-00 true, but if Spidey isn't bloodlusted, he's still gonna hold back and not go for the kill. Compared to if he IS bloodlusted, where he will almost immediately go for the kill... or failing that a fight ending crippling blow. Either way, I do agree bats don't have much of a chance regardless
Ok angsty Spidey let's take a trip...
To The Batman Who Laughs.
Or let's just stick to the Insomniac and Rocksteady characters yeah?
Btw Insomniac Spidey doesn't have a chance against Arkham Batman.
Go to a random goon with the superhuman Spiderman and see how many hits you can take before you die.
Divide it by 20 and that's how many hits it would take for Batman to take down Insomniac Spidey
@@TheRealBillix your mouth smells from all the bullshit you've been saying
the reason the voice changes is because its two different people talking
This is by far the only video of Official Divine that I disagree with
A lot I disagree with in this video. Pretty sure my brother already commented but we can run this on discord or discuss it. you can join our server or give me ur discord and we can go through your video and we can address it.
Discord is in the description
DANG, W brotherly support, Divine should probably discuss it directly too as well.
Also did you publicly debate him on discord or was it private.
"Spidermans faster"
Has peter ever tackled the flash???
Yeah no chance
@@Kyroniss given that Flash wasn’t even trying to attack Batman, it’s hardly an achievement
@@TheGamingRift11 flash did push bruce out the way
Since supes either flew to the sun or out the atmosphere hes likely faster than superman
I think its plausable for supes to go to the sun since in comics he goes for sun dips and he had a yellow glow to him
Thats likely a mtfl feat considering flash is supposed to be faster than superman
I still say its an achivement since bruce was pushed out the way and considering flash has dodged bullets while distracted and even dodged a bullet and even dodged a bullet when a gun was 2 inches from his head
Even if flash was caught off guard its still an impressive feat to even do
Even tho this batman is stated to be enhanced i dont think spiderman can pull anything off like this yet but its still debateable since peters dodges electricity and this flash doesnt have much feats but if supes did go to the sun he should be faster than peter
Dude that's completely irrelevant, and batman coudve has just predicted where flash was going and not actually knowing where flash is and tackling him, goodness there are so many arkham fan boys it's hilarious 😂
@@dawudabdulali3827 its not being a fanboy batman wasnt expecting flash to throw him out the way
Its also in batmans character to even pull off a feat like that hes beaten flash and even hit flash before in comics stop lowballing
Even if batman predicted it like your THEORY then that still makes batman always 3 steps ahead as batman would know everything peter could do or how he can dodge an attack from him
So therefore rendering spider sense irrelevent as bruce can think of every place peter would dodge to
Plus batman wouldnt even have time to predict where flash would go if be was caught off guard so i dont know what your point was
@@Kyroniss littaraly no he woudnt, batman knows flash, he doesn't know peter, stop fan boying 😂
Newton’s third law for ap and Dura in the big 2024😭😭💔
👍 If Arkham Batman is unable to beat Base Insomniac Spider-man then concede that Kraven in the games and comics is a walking plot hole. Not only that but Divine saying Peter “Survived being knocked through a vault” is obviously not indicating that Spider-man is about to die from it, this is pure cognitive dissonance. Divine also didn’t mention how Solomon Grundy, an immortal part time superman villain who gets stronger the more he dies canonically was defeated, not to mention that Bruce had already outran AND defeated him in the Handheld Arkham Blackgate game. Also saying that Batman’s liquid material suit in knight would hyper scale him to Astronomically stronger than himself in city (obviously the suit amps him by default) is pure delusion. We also have zero reason to believe that Miles saying “vaporize all of Harlem” is a completely accurate measurement of the damage by Miles, but it would roughly be around that level. The fear multi takedowns are also literally canon which is why it’s blatantly mentioned by Lucious Fox and Batman canonically in the dialogue, Obviously Symbiote spider-man and Anti Venom Spider-man completely mangles base Arkham Batman and Suicide Squad Batman, HOWEVER Divine failed to mention the Wii- U armored edition suits AND the fact that Arkham Batman actually canonically owns and can use pretty much every DLC suit from all the games. Including the White Lantern and Yellow Lantern suit, so if Symbiote Spider-man is used, then we can simply have Arkham Batman put the fight on even grounds with overpowered suits with hax like those😂. So it’s in your best interest to keep the fight confined to their Base, For one, Divine was blatantly wrong about Arkham Batman being “faster” than Insomniac Spider-Man, however speed shouldn’t be that much of an issue within the fight due to how we see Kraven landing hits and literally out right KILLING Peter Parker, mind you Peter has MJ literally right there in the vicinity which should make him not hold back or fight at his absolute best in order to keep her safe, similar to how Peter reacts to Fisk targeting Aunt May in the comics, but not fully blood lusted and more so “locked in”. Spider-man also cannot react to Arkham Batman’s explosive gel instantly combusting after just sitting on the ground as a seemingly harmless liquid, and if the explosive gel was placed onto the remote batarangs, that’s even more dangerous for Peter since even if he dodged it, the remote batarang being near him with the gel would be enough alone. But let’s bring it back to Kraven, where does Kraven scale? Well even if we assume that Kraven is exactly equal to his comic counterpart, or slightly weaker, Kraven in the comics is stated as being able to run at 60 mph max, and should be consistently weaker than Captain America. The reason that I bring up comic Kraven’s running speed is because if his overall bodily stats are relative to that, that would literally mean that he is ONLY twice the strength and speed of a peak human, since the literal definition of a peak human in comics and in reality is somebody that is at the pinnacle for physical performance, meaning that even if we assume that Arkham Batman is only equal in speed to Usain Bolt, (Bolts max speed was 28 MPH, which is close to 30 mph, that’s literally half the speed that COMIC Kraven is stated to be, so logically explain to me, how Kraven who is barely twice the physical attributes of Batman, can outright knock out and bury symbiote spider-man in the comics and how Insomniac Kraven literally one shotted and killed Spidey instantaneously, just off pure skill and cunning, the only real difference in Kraven and Batman’s skill set is that Kraven is super human by such a small margin (the 2x peak human scale I proved) and that Kraven doesn’t know all martial arts, is not a genius with a 200 IQ (Bane is stated as having an IQ of 180 in Arkham Origins, so Arkham Batman scales way beyond that by default) and also has less resources due to not being as rich and having less gadgets. So the whole debate ends the moment that you concede that Arkham Batman should be able to defeat Base Insomniac Spider-Man in ps4 (who is weaker due to not having nano arms) AND Spider-man 2’s base who has the iron arms but still died to Kraven in a heartbeat. If you don’t concede that Arkham Batman beats Base Insomniac Spider-man, then concede that Kraven winning in the games is a plot hole.😂 Your Move. 🫵🏿
Also Arkham Batman combod a Great White Shark after a jump scare with zero reaction after already being damaged and fatigued throughout city, before even fighting Grundy, whereas Spider-man was literally intimidated by Kraven’s tiger multiple times. Just wanted to add that in to show Arkham Batman’s lack of fear compared to Spidey (which is insane when Spidey literally rushes to fight skyscraper sized Sandman) (Granted he was just dodging most of his attacks rather than tanking it, and had mile’s electricity and his own iron arms to help with that)
How is Kraven winning in the games a plot hole when the game gives ample evidence confirming this adaptation is not peak human?
@@TheGamingRift11 For one, when did I say he’s only peak human, for two I already said Kraven is super human. For Three how does Kraven one shot Base Fully Focused Spider-man yet you claim Arkham Batman wouldn’t be able to merely K.O him?
@@TheGamingRift11 Insomniac Spiderman DIES from a few punches from regular goons... He doesn't have a chance against Arkham Batman 🤣
@@TheRealBillix I honestly think Batman could beat Spider-Man at least in his base form and would scale up to Symbiote Spider-Man, if Kraven has been able to beat him thanks to his skill and cunning then why couldn't Batman? Who's physical stats are relatively close to Kraven's more than these people think, he's smarter, strategic, a better fighter, and has more resources and money, not to mention he already said that his technology was unmatched, and he could also defeat the Sinister 6 with Prep Time like Kraven did, Batman came up with contingency plans to beat every member of the Justice League, I don't understand why these people think he couldn't. Rift extremely underestimates Batman.
this guy does not listen to the video completely at all he listens to it for 10 secs then complains for example he was starting with weaker feats for example small build and u complaining saying how they aren’t ofc they aren’t ur not giving the video time to explain
Another example of this dude he complains about how divine talked about them being fast enough to dodge bullets and then later goes on to higher dodging feats such as spiderman dodging lightning and during the bullet dodging talk he says how he low balls them and talks about how divine isn’t talking about the lightning feats.
Like this dude has no patience whatsoever
@@VESSEL0I I reacted to the entire thing and commented on every single point. 🤷♂️
@@TheGamingRift11Yes that you did but my god you had no patience for the video to speak for itself another example is you saying where is symbiote spider man feats and then you complaining about it then 3 minutes later symbiote appears and your all fine now
Divine goes over weak to stronger feats if he started with strong feats then weak ones at the end it wouldn’t make sense if he started with weak and slowly stronger and stronger feats it would make the video way more hype which it is + how his video is edited and made
People need to forget which characters they like more and have less of a bias. I prefer Batman slightly over Spiderman but Spiderman in most cases has the edge. I prefer the Spider-man character over Superman but that fight should easy for Superman. I prefer Chris Evan''s Captain America over the Rock's Black Adam but Black Adam would win in a fight 99/100. I think Homelander and Omni Man are better characters than Sentry and Hyperion but they would most likely lose to them in a fight. Tony Soprano is a much better character than Rey Skywalker but Rey Skywalker would most likely beat him in a fight. Good characters are more important than making overpowered characters who can bench press the world 1000 times or hold the power of star in their hands or other stupid feats some of these characters do in comics.
I do disagree with you kinda lowballing batmans combat skill
Batman struggled against jason due to him being caught off guard and jason himself literally having years of extensive traning with batman and deathstroke
Not to mention jason was also out speeding tim drake and even caught deathstrokes staff when he was caught off guard
Deathstroke is literally like a superior version of captain america not to mention batman was in a slower less mobile armor when fighting slade
I disagree batman beat him high diff since most the fight was gameplay itself and batman didnt seem injured or having critical injuries as he sustains in the comics
Id say he beat slade mid diff
I love how you debunked batmans gadgets its not like batman can even hit peter with any of the gadgets batman has
Official divine has been a horrible powerscaler 😭
He’s a good powerscalar but this video was completely wrong and annoying to watch. We know Spider Man beats Batman.
@@SpiderFan-e13he doesn’t. we can debate it
i’d be happy to respond to any videos you disagree with
@@officialdivine.. How does Arkham Batman beat Insomniac Spider Man. Ain’t no way you came to that conclusion and you can call yourself a good power scaler without any biases.
@@_KAZI I don’t feel like debating at 10:20 pm but I’m glad we both have common sense and know that Spider Man beats Batman every day of the week.
Batman is my favorite superhero of all time. However, even I'm not gonna dick ride him to try and prove a false equivalent to Spider-man. I fully acknowledge base Spider-man completely blitz Batman in a no-holds battle.
Hey when did Spidey send shockwaves thru New York? I really need it
Ofc the dude who’s background gameplay is always spiderman is gonna meat ride and cope, anytime someone says Batman wins
What ?
You didn’t watch the video 😂
Would you steady agree Batman wins with prep time, I believe without that shit he wins. His experience and strong mental would give him the edge, if he gets his hands on spider man it’s wraps
Batman fanboys always come up with the prep time shit like dude, if Batman can get prep time then give other characters that are fighting against him have prep time too
Batman would still win if spider man had prep time too
Why are people comparing a rich guy that adopts every other orphan with a a teenager that has a depressing life
I get it batman one shots rich guy from marvel but why a poor teenager who barely has money to live his life normally 💀
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Devine missed on this one, spidey wins mid-low diff
Anyways Batman negs because what’s Spider-Man gonna do when the IRS pulls up
LOL Them taxes do be killing my boi.
Someone give him the infinite bat bank card! NOW!!
Or if a goon hanging all day on a roof punches him 6 times
Official devine was speaking cap, you gotta edit it editing is kinda 🔥, but it is too much at times.
Batman assault on Arkham if ur gonna lowball Batman don’t be disingenuous
Divine getting cooked 😭🙏
Bat man claps spiderman period
@@fawazyusuf-tl3ku this version of Batman does not clap Insom Spiderman.
Where do you get ur
Footage from ?
@@RealV1nty RUclips
ya know i feel like making an accurate battle animation for this nonsense if i do would ya react to it lol
Yeah
im sorry he uses what to rank batman
I agree with everything you said in this vid but i like official's editing skills and bro you talking about the way he talks is crazy have some respect my dude and look at urself before you talk about another person lol
I’m very thankful that I don’t
A. Use AI in my videos
OR
B. Sound like AI
Lol sure u say ur not a hater but you are even if he sounds different you didnt have to call it out like that my guy if ur annoyed by his voice thats ur problem and hes editting is fire my bro. And ima just say it hes kinda better than what you've done😅
@@Wickyunchanged Does official knows you on a personal level?
People still talking about this?
Okay so we all talk about spider man vs Batman but what about Peter Parker vs Bruce Wayne
Peter wins, bruce would just be himself but no tech .
In terms of money?
Bruce could buy out his apartment building making him homeless. I’d say Bruce takes the W here solely for the wealth 😭😭😭
I hope Divine sees this video and at least tries to correct himself. It's unlikely, but it'd be nice.
i seen it now little late but i’m here 😭 i still disagree with his points but id be open do having this discussion
@officialdivine.. Awesome. I'd love to see this debate. I'm a huge fan btw, I just disagree with your take on the arkham batman vs insomniac spiderman thing
@@officialdivine..Good on you for confronting it directly, you were entirely right that Arkham Batman wins, but you merely scratched the surface of Arkham Batman’s scaling in your video, which is why it was so easy to for him to nitpick, I also don’t think you should have even brought up Symbiote Spider-man when the argument should be regarding both of their bases.
Dude has badass edits, absolutely love them. But he's got a dogshit ass take on this fight. Spider-Man wins 99/100 times. Maybe Batman catches him in a coma and catches a W.
Yo Rift, can you send me the link of your Arkham Batman power scale video ? Thx !
I pretty much game my thoughts on scaling him in the “not even close” video
@@TheGamingRift11 Thank you 🙏
Brother forgot batmobile has tazer
One touch and that symbiote is cooked
Spiderman realistically negs the Batmobile.
Good reasoning and a nice vid good job
I think batman scales to city block or large town level scaling specially since batman could 2 shot Deathstroke which would be 5x boost from previous feats and there's even feats better for suicide spuad but still not close spiderman is island level and batman can lift 3 tons while the spider arms alone can lift 10 tons that alone is more than 3x than batman feats and for speed batman=relavistic-light speed. Spiderman=ftl but people sometimes scale batman to solar system level because king shark was stated to be as strong as superman and batman 1 shotted him but i think that's not consistent
I have Batman beating Spider-Man
Why ?
Who would win? Deadpool or anti venom Spider man?
Spidey one shots
If anti venom can absorb all of his cancer, Spider wins.
Comic Deadpool would wipe the floor with him in my opinion but live action deadpool is relatively weak and would lose a fight
This guy is basically arguing Batman is outclassed by Spider-Man and somehow still wins. His arguments are very self defeating. This is what I mean by Batman fanboys treating super powers as though they aren't advantages: no matter what they will find a way to argue Batman can find a way around it no matter how unlikely, almost like the power isn't being treated as an advantage.
Honestly insomniac spidey beats arkham batman and its not even funny. If batman had prep, it would be a 50/50 in my opinion, but just a random encounter, spidey beats batman. I love Arkham batman, but insomniac spidey beats him. And question, does insomniac spidey scale to 616 peter?(I know he isn't stronger, hut does he at least scales)
not even close in terms of scaling. 616 Spidey once lifted the Daily Bugle, y'know... A LITERAL SKYSCRAPPER.
@@venusstar2963 ok. I was just asking bc out of all other depictions of peter, insomniac spider man felt the closest in strength with 616
@@corleonenightwing7410 He can scale to 616 but 616 can pretty much still beat Insomiac
@@Mman3560 ok
It's interesting seeing more people come out and debunk Divine's takes, it's actually pretty funny lol. If there are any more of his videos you disagree with you should debunk those too
To add to the point about the disruptior: Unless you can disrupt his spider-sense too, he's just gonna end up dodging the dart.
Its really not down to their power or feats the only question you should ask is do you think batman can beat Kraven? Kraven has beat base spiderman and although he can't beat symbiote spiderman he has a weakness to sound which I'm sure batman has at his disposal.
No I do think Kraven would bully Batman
Although saying “it’s not down to their power or feats” isn’t a great start to an argument since it’s LITERALLY down to those things
@@TheGamingRift11 I'm stating according to their stats (power & feats) spiderman wins however this isn't the case in a fight. According to banes powers and skills batman should lose however he doesn't (Arkham origins) and when spiderman is faced with kraven he statistically should win however he doesn't and gets stabbed and tossed to the ground like a ragdoll (this might just be a plot device to get him the black suit however) he also engaged silver sable and was put in his place twice. Spiderman is a formidable combatant however there is nothing batman can't counter and of course spiderman has his spider sense but it wouldn't detect batman in stealth as its only works if he's about to get attacked. All batman needs to do is go into stealth disable Spiderman's gadgets and then get out of stealth have spiderman attack him then counter and win. You can't say batman wouldn't be able to beat spiderman in a one on one because even with his enhanced strength batman has him outclassed and has beat villains that are significantly stronger than him. Although I think batman would win even without weaponised fear toxin in ss ( which he could use to stun spiderman). Given the evidence of fights its fair to say spiderman is an excellent fighter however his losses prove he has a limit even though he comes back he is significantly injured (broken bones) and batman has proven that he has no limits making him superior.
You do make a good point and I like both of these characters so I don't care who wins but I have to go with batman.
@@phelixmadden7294Yeah you shouldn’t have started a power scaling debate by basically saying the scaling doesn’t matter, although I don’t know what Crack this man is on, saying that Kraven, who is weaker than Captain America, would beat Arkham Batman who blatantly punched the turd out of Grundy, Clayface (who is similar to sandman in terms of abilities) and Killer Croc, who is stronger than bane by the time of asylum or city, and is amped vastly beyond that by the time of Knight’s season if infamy DLC. So yeah
@echamp2448 "I don’t know what Crack this man is on saying that Kraven, who is weaker than Captain America, would beat Arkham Batman who blatantly punched the turd out of Grundy, Clayface (who is similar to sandman in terms of abilities) and Killer Croc, who is stronger than bane by the time of asylum or city, and is amped vastly beyond that by the time of Knight’s season if infamy DLC. So yeah"
Maybe the crack called "Kraven is stronger than base Spider-Man, something they both show and tell you with how Kraven very easily beat and killed most of the Sinister Six. The same Sinister Six whose members individually scale to/above Spider-Man in one way or another. The same Spider-Man who, despite having these equals, was able to briefly hold his own against 5 of them at once, then go on to beat the majority in a 1v2 whilst tired and with 14 broken bones. The same Spider-Man whose base gets stronger by the 2nd game, and Kraven would still manage to blatantly overpower Peter when he stabbed him. The same Kraven who goes on to hold his own against Spider-Man with the Black Suit, with Kraven implying in both times they fought that Peter was more than capable of killing him if he wanted to, with the first before he got amped by the meteorite and went on a rampage." Long name, but the streets call it "Logic" for short.
@@LibraKai Not at all, it’s most definitely the actual type of crack, where you think that Scorpion and the other sinister six members, who were NEVER stated to be stronger than Base Spider-man except Rhino, in which case Kraven is also weaker than him and only would have beaten him through skill rather than outright over powering him.
You also gloss over the fact that Kraven fought each of these Sinister six members in one on one battles while Spider-man did in fact face them 1 on 5, BUT ALSO fought all of them except Mr. Negative and Doc Ock in 2v1s with a myriad of broken bones, AND Fatigued you also are so doped up that you somehow think Kraven is stronger even though he never had a genuine 1 on 1 fight where he didn’t stab Peter unexpectedly in the liver with Scorpion’s poison, after Peter tried to punch him with a fist that would have been held back after he had already combod multiple of Kraven’s normal human cronies.
Not only that but the Tie-In comics where Insomniac Peter fights 616 Spider-man while he himself was Bloodlusted and where Superior Spider-man conceded that Insomniac Spider-Man was relative to himself in swinging speed and strength in Spider Geddon, which therefore means that he scales to Superior Spider-man’s prior feats of fighting Morlun and his group in the same comic as well as Superior Spider-man’s feats of demolishing Scorpion’s head off with a single punch.
You also debunked your own argument by pointing out that Black Suit Spider-man “could have killed Kraven if he wanted” showing that he held back, not only this but in the fights where Kraven “holds his own” he almost always is fighting with the bell or is fighting a “held back” black suit spider-man, even in the final Kraven V Black Suit fight, he literally says “You still hold back” to Peter in the first phase of the Boss, then even in the second phase of the fight he relies on the bell, droid dogs, Mines, cloaking, snipers and other equipment, so at what point was Kraven actually “holding his own” against a fully fledged, not held back Black Suit Peter? Never, not once, even in the church bell scene it’s confirmed Peter was less lethal and more held back at that point.
So not only are you BSing about Kraven being able to “hold his own” (as if that is indicative, given all the handicaps for a “held back” Symbiote Peter)
But you are also completely dead wrong about Kraven being Stronger than Base Spider-man who has fought and beaten Sandman solo multiple times before SM1, has bicep curled multiple moving 40 ton train carts through the subway AFTER fighting Martin Li and his henchmen, Mr. Negative is also shown to be able to inflict and tank large city block scale explosions at the Osborn rally, and Peter had beaten him a second time with broken bones as well.
Unless you somehow think Insomniac Kraven is blatantly stronger than Superior Spider-man from spider Geddon you are UNEQUIVOCALLY wrong about Kraven’s scaling. So yes, you are on crack and in deep need of psyche pills.
On top of that, it’s confirmed that Fisk in the first game that he almost killed Peter in a previous fight with a blade, so by your logic he must also scale way over Base Spider-man, it makes no sense.
Lastly, none of the Sinister Six are stated to be equal to Peter regardless of if they were strong or weaker, Kraven also stated he struggled with Shocker, who Base Spider-man utterly dogwalks in the first game.
There’s also zero evidence that Kraven scales above Mile’s Harlem scale blast from the Miles Morales game. It should also be hyper obvious that Insomniac’s devs would not intentionally create a version of Kraven that could never be beaten by Spider-man without the Symbiote.
To top it all off, Rhino’s death isn’t even confirmed in SM2, meaning that the only Sinister Six member physically stronger than base Spider-man, DIDN’T EVEN FIGHT KRAVEN.
So all your claims are dead in the water. If anything you’re devoid of logic.
Bro can u pleaseeeeeee do Ps5 Venom vs Alex Mercer🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
STOP SPAMMING
@@dawudabdulali3827 sorry i just want to see that match up
Mercer wrecks that pathetic excuse of a Venom
@@zlajo3671 ik😂
Venom probably bullies. But either way stop spamming
There is no universe where Batman beats Spider-Man. I don’t care.
There is actually one I know of and that's injustice batman def beats insom peter.
Now I do agree with this video but I feel like your nit picking a little too much, Devine specifically likes to build up characters that’s why he brung up larger feats after smaller ones
@@Unfazed-hn8yf the reason I nitpick is because I didn’t make the video.
He had the opportunity to spend hours, weeks, months etc on his video and as a result I don’t pull any punches.
Especially since I don’t like when people fixate on 1 area of strength only to fixate on another level whilst ignoring context (a weaker Batman performing the small building stuff to give an example)
Since that usually screams dishonesty or major bullshit is imminent. Especially when that person hyper fixates on “blitzing 10 men in 10 seconds” as if that’s even remotely impressive for either hero given their consistent speed levels
@@TheGamingRift11 oh I know, all this is the reason why I stopped watching his videos a while ago.
But for him, he likes to specifically build up characters (which is one of the reasons why I stopped watching him) then getting to the point, but for this video he severely left out feats and lowballed both characters (like you said) which really annoyed me throughout his video but what I wanted to point out is that he just likes to build up characters but for this video he purposely left out other feats.
Oh my god
arkham fanboys think he beats everyone
he doesn't beat spiderman, leon,chris, wesker, snake or anything that has better scaling and deals with way more crazier stuff than a group of criminals taking over a city
Leon is kinda crazy💀💀
Batman definitely beats Chris and Leon, and I’m a huge RE glazer. You’re putting a peak human who runs on comic logic vs a tough soldier and a secret agent who run on action movie logic. Like Batman’s tech alone is too out there for the RE boys. Wesker is a weird one because he’s powerful enough to snap someone’s neck before they can even react and yet he still chooses to do a bunch of flips and kicks first.
@@cidlufaine9044 he doesn't
re has some absolutely crazy statements and scaling
they would speed blitz and one shot
@@bell5248 Chris and Leon? Absolutely not. Peak humans in RE don’t even compare to Arkham Batman, durability wise. Especially given the fact that Bats is wearing both normal body armor and ballistic body armor. Equipment wise, the craziest thing the pair have is Leon with a grappling hook and all the guns the two can use which, come on, Batman deals with guns all the time. Compare that with Batman’s smoke bombs, gun jammers, cryo bombs, explosive gel, and the freakin smart tank that is the Batmobile? Yeah no, their gear is outclassed. You can even break it down to hand to hand and Batman clearly stomps given that he’s known to have mastered all fighting styles in the world (stupid feat but it’s a comic book game so whatever)
@@cidlufaine9044 ok?
his equal are none legal and can dont kill normal people
chris and leon can tank rpgs that can near vaporise beings that are literally 1000 times stronger than a normal human
the basic zombie can walk off a 40 ton semi hitting them and thats the weakest zombies, leon and chris make their heads explode and can kill multiple with a single blow
leon has somewhat reacted to lasers and light
both leon and chris are more experienced than arkham batman and have fought bigger things than him
both leon and chris are master melee fighters so its not like they are gonna be completely overwhelmed
even if u want to say they are completely out classed, their stats carry
btw their gear can nearly vaporise bows and the weakest viruses have statements saying they are 100 times stronger and more durable than normal humans
chris made a 150 ton boulder go sliding with his hits
he was able to take hits and break out of a grab from final boss wesker
which is crazy because a guide states that wesker is the strongest thing he has fought to that point, which would include a being that took a city destroy satellite beam and a being that lifted a cruise ship
cruise ships are heavier than godzilla btw
also bruce can struggle with groups of normal gun men when leon and chris can take on groups of trained superhumans with guns and are better shots than anyone in the arkham verse
i like arkham batman but re has had 25 years and games of feats and tooks of books
Official Devine be like:
*if it exists, it’s building level*
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Arkham Batman says and is shown in story multiple times to struggle with heavy gunfire but Catwoman dodges ONE laser and its light speed scaling I hate yall power scalers on everything bro
I think you’re confusing gameplay mechanics with canon. Batman is pretty consistently at least a bullet timer throughout the series. In Arkham knight they state verbatim he’s faster than he’s ever been before due to the suits materials. And we literally see during multi fear takedowns the bullets are perceived as slow motion in mid air, as always no hate and I think Spider-Man would beat Batman 1v1 in a blood lusted fight. But to imply Batman struggles with bullets is ludicrous
@@Goji-C Bullets are only slow nothin during those takedowns because it’s a gameplay mechanic, their are several times in the entire series Batman flat out stated thugs with guns are a threat to him and he needs to think up a plan, like the cathedral scene in Arkham city. And that was BEFORE they grabbed the hostages
Pls can you do Insomniac Miles vs Arkham Batman
He already did
@@ATalesTruth- when
@@kamsyplayz3516 check his channel and find out
Does act like a refrigerator did it knock out Spider-Man good news voice by the gaming riffs logic refrigerator beats Spider-Man😂😂
Nice strawman since I never said that
@@TheGamingRift11 no but you did act like him saying that Batman and spider man both got hurt by weaker people was stupid
And I never said that you said it I said by you own logic and the 2 emojis at the end show it’s a joke dog
Ashuming 😂
Another person who fan boys over arkham batman, its hilarious how people really thinks batman beats spiderman, Littaraly the only way arkhak batman can win is wit prep time, but spidey also gets prep time, it would just be a unbalaced fight, tbh I get why they thunk batman wins, when your a kid or fam boy you dont like it when your favorite hero loses.
Na😂
That's officaldivine for yea.
Batman standing still to hack would be gameplay. You cant scale on game play and critize it obviously batman can hack and fire his disruptor on the move as well as explosive gel
Ok, sooo ? It would still leave him exsposed, and it would be very difficult to aim at peter since spiderman is always on the move, amd it way faster than bruce.
@@dawudabdulali3827 im not saying it wins it or anything. Its just silly to say he couldnt move while using them?? Why you so ready to be mad? When did i say it won him the fight in my message above?? It doesnt im just pointing out hypocrisy so yeah stfu
@@dawudabdulali3827 what an idiot
@@dawudabdulali3827 of course spider man wins i didnt say that lol
@@TheBatSpeaks I'm literally not mad.
Calling Sandman/Rhino/etc city block level, even when they never really destroy more than a large building or two at a time? Given enough time you need only be just over large building to destroy a city and destruction over time doesn’t scale your DC up, I.E. destroying a planet over infinite time doesn’t make you planetary. So if nobody has city block DC, where are we getting city block AP? Implications, especially through hyperbole, aren’t evidence; like random “unbreakable” or “vaporize” statements; to my knowledge the only way you get city block or higher AP is through taking the Harlem vaporize statement literally and applying that retroactively. There’s something to be said for lowballing them both, but that’s better than wanking..
But Batman dodges freeze rays, being laser based weaponry, both in games/comics/Arkham animated media; dodges electric/lightning/energy blasts multiple times in Riddler’s Gambit & the AK comic; that level of speed is consistent for Batman without any need for spider-sense which makes his speed feats more impressive.
Do wos vs insomica
He already did in a short.
insomniac MJ one shot WOS
@@monkey-n6l Who tf is WOS?