@Peter T Well, I used to belong to a church where we had a youth minister who molested a bunch of children. I never knew about it, and I was not much older than some of the targeted kids. Do you know what happens in every room of your house 247?
@@jamesbutler8821 It always breaks my heart to hear about stuff like this. If that minister never did time for his crime, you should encourage the victims you knew to press charges. That's only if it's 100 percent true with evidence of course.
@@charlie5thumbs351 Well I left that church for the Army not long after and lost touch with all involved so I dunno how it played out but since I never had anyone grabbing my arm to say, "Did you hear what happened at your old church?" my guess is it got buried just like the priest assaults. Evidence? When is there ever evidence? Sexual assault by its very nature almost never leaves evidence. It's always he said, she said, which is why when there is more than one victim and/or they know things that they wouldnt unless they were assaulted we should believe them
@@jamesbutler8821 Sorry to beat a dead horse, but perhaps you could report him or at least have an investigator look into the situation. But idk, not sure how all that stuff works. It's just disturbing and really sad.
@@nczioox1116 Doubt it moron. He has to follow orders no matter what. Maybe they actually decided to surrender their position and there’s no way he would respond back
Or administratively separating Santiago, well within Jessup's power and arguably what he should have done. Let the next batch from boot and/or MOS school or wherever replace Santiago and transfer him to civilian life. He's a PFC. He'll either just be under or over ELS day limit, prompting either ELS, General or Honorable Discharge if his medical reasons hold up.
Yes sir, absolutely. You can trust someone with honor always. He’s just human and can get it wrong like anyone else, but honor means you will never sell out your own. Ever.
@@dlracer2 You're right: blind, unquestioning, mindless obedience being laid upon the altar of any "honour" is always a good thing. How else could six million people have gotten shoved into ovens by the Nazis? Or events like My Lai been possible? Yes. You're right. Good point. We need more of this type of "honour".
@@ScoutPL Exactly. Once you get to memorable generals and admirals you're looking at people like Grant, Sherman, Lee, Patton, MacArthur and LeMay who might be considered amoral, ruthless and insane in any other setting. Instead we build monuments and statues to honor them. It's an interesting contradiction that depends on the context.
@@1notgilty Not sure whether you missed my point or are just trying to interject an alternate viewpoint. My point was, those traits lead to success in that role. Perhaps you agree with that and are opining that such a situation should not be? Not really sure where you were going. I will say, it is easy to chat about what should be, divorced from reality. It is far different to deal with what actually is. Ciao-
Nicholson was paid $5,000,000 for this supporting role. He only needed to be on set for two weeks to shoot his scenes. They made the right decision though I can't picture any other actor in the role except maybe Gene Hackman.
So true. Gene Hackman as little bill in unforgiven w Clint Eastwood in 1992 also👍👍👍both great iconic actors and also at the age to play sheriffs, commanding officers, and senior authority figures👍👍
Well I'm glad you mentioned him yes I definitely agree. Gene hackman would have also been excellent in this. You mentioned anyone else I probably would have told you hell no.
@@lynnpabontheelitehero6579 or if Jack Nicholson was little bill and gene Hackman was col jessup. And gene Hackman played the evil characters so well. Quick and the dead w Sharon stone👍 and he was navy submarine commander in crimson tide and the admiral in behind enemy lines👍👍👍I think I read gene Hackman was retiring after 2001 royal tennenbaums movie..??.. but his last role was 2004 welcome to mooseport. Born in 1930 he’s 91-92 just like Eastwood 👍👍👍
@@mkrny111 Hackman also was the volatile but successful basketball coach in Hoosiers a role Nicholson read the script for and really wanted. I think he was tied up with something else though at the time.
All 3 actors were brilliant in this movie. Kiefer was perfect as the no-nonsense, hardass Marine. And JT Walsh lent credence to every role he ever played.
@@shriharihudli He usually plays a very straight upright authoritative person. However he did play a very creepy nasty role in sling blade. He was the sicko in the psych ward with Billy Bob. Vary convincing.
I wish if someone told me to get a hold of the President of the United States, I could just nonchalantly say, "Yes sir" and then get it done. It would be a cool job to have.
I love it. Someone tells you to get the President on the phone because we are surrendering our position in Cuba and you react as if he's telling you what to order for lunch.
In fact, at 2:35 Nicholson does a little head jerk that always reminds me of Jack Torrance crazy behavior. Whether it was on purpose or a subconscious mannerism, it is quite unsettling. It somehow reveals a dangerous nature behind that façade.
@@davidortega357 in A Few Good Men, the issue was that Pvt. Santiago went above his chain of command which is a HUGE no-no especially among the grunts (infantry). The Corps is very strict on their marines using their chain of command to communicate orders and information, and most cases of Marines having problems or issues would be resolved without ever needing to go up the chain of command. If a marine was indeed a shtbag, who didn’t perform well or follow the rules, yea they’d first be disciplined, hell some cases it wouldn’t be that bad and he’d get genuine help and care from other marines. If the issues persisted and the marine wasn’t being cooperative, they’d absolutely be disciplined and eventually kicked out like your brother in law.
... maybe a spin-off series? Basically him pecking away on a keyboard, then answering to shouted, but muffled summons, followed immediately by reversals. I think the show might be funny for a good two seasons.
Tom turns out ok. He went on to direct a Sportscenter type show and even worked in the White House where he got to take the Presidents place in poker games.
No Marine Officer would express emotion like this among his subordinates. This is typical Jack Nicholson playing a marine Col. Playing Jack Nicholson…..
I never served in the military let alone the Marines but after seeeing this movie a few times, I’m convinced that the person responsible for this wasn’t Jessup(Nicholson), JT Walsh or Kendrick(Keifeer Sutherland). It was the base doctor who failed to properly diagnose Santigo’s true physical condition. If he would have then wouldnt Santiago have been giving a medical discharge with full VA benefits? And how would have the other memmbers of Santaigo’s squad hhave reacted? Would they have tried to patch things up with him since his lousy performance was realted to his physical ailment?
He would have never made it pass boot camp with his medical condition let alone make it to Cuba. This was the weakest and dumbest part of a otherwise great movie.
No, Jessup should have Santiago be checked by another doctor, because suffering from quick heat exhaustion is a serious potential deadly medical condition. A couple of years ago a recruit died from heat exhaustion in the Dutch Military Police (separate branch of military, separated from the army, air force and navy), doing his graduation march. The doctor was called and treated the HE not sufficient and the sergeant let the recruits march in hot temperatures with their gore-tex coat on and wearing gloves.
In the Army we had a female in our platoon(medics) who had trouble breathing during our runs. They thought maybe it was just a conditioning thing and believed she'd get better after some time. Eventually she had such a hard time breathing she went to the clinic. I forgot what they diagnosed her with, but they told her a medical discharge would probably be best because what she had was chronic and wouldn't get better. She refused and she's still in I believe.
@@Bigmojojo he was a PFC so, he wasn’t a green marine. If he truly had a medical condition it could have come up with a medical condition after boot camp.
Colonel Jessup let his ego and sadism get in the way. I understand it’s part of his job to make a soldier remain as one. Obviously he thought he could pleasurably get the job done with harsh and outside the parameters methods. The death of Santiago is the best argument you can give for not going outside the lines. Jessup failed to realize not all people are cut out to be something they’re not. Jessup should have taken his subordinates advice. Excellent movie, Nicholson, Cruise and Moore were excellent and squared away.
Santiago's a marine. They have minimum standards, which Santiago met at boot camp, otherwise he'd never have become a marine. Jessup's expectation that they could bring Santiago up to scratch isn't far-fetched.
@@fawziekefli2273 that's why I said it was Jesseps job to make Santiago remain a marine. Sometimes you have to cut them loose.. Otherwise every soldier would be SF qualified. SF know you have to cut people. Jessep should have realized it was time to cut him loose like his subordinate strongly told him to. In the end Jessep would have been able to visit his sister instead of going to Leavenworth.
I mean, it’s the dead fish stare of sheer contempt that makes Nicholson’s character portrayal, I think. There’s something about the humourless, disdainful, insincere, and utterly devoid of sympathy look in the eye that accurately conveys what it is like to look into the dark abyss of the sociopath’s soul that he captures so perfectly well here: LTCOL Jessup is a complete monster of a man, and the complete irony of it is that he’s a precisely such a monster who thinks he’s done nowt wrong, and for whom any outrage can be justified if it squares with his moralistic and peremptory sense of duty. When arrogance meets hubris the result is nemesis.
@@briang.7206 He might be, but that’s the worst if it: it basically comes down to the Nuremberg defence - “I only followed orders” - to be able to acquit anyone subject to his (illegal) commands who subsequently follow through his orders. That might be “hard”, but it isn’t “good” leadership. An officer such as he dishonours the very uniform being worn even whilst they self-righteously believe actions such as those portrayed are what it means to uphold the honour the uniform is supposed to represent; and, because those commands betray his duty to protect those subject to his authority from being required to perform illegal actions, in addition to others requested ex officio that occupy a moral or legal grey zone, far from being a role-model officer and an exemplar of leadership, he is the archetype for the corruption of unaccountable power and the failure of command. The tragedy of it is that he is so arrogant in the misplaced belief in his own correctitude that he doesn’t even realise the extent to which he is the antithesis of everything he holds dear. He’s a moral vacuum on stilts.
He's also an unbelievable hypocrite. He expects and demands the utmost respect but gives it to no one. He calls all subordinates by their first names instead of their rank, and is disrespectful to the one person in the whole movie who he doesn't outrank (the judge).
I don’t know if you noticed the insignias on the two senior officers lapels but one is a bird the American eagle to be exact and the other is a silver oak leaf the one is what we called a full bird colonel and the other is a light colonel which one do you think was the full bird colonel?
I wonder how many hours Tom spent rehearsing his lines (consisting of five words) with friends and family members, who all got to play Nicholson's role.
01:26 I've always wondered was Lt. Col Markinson a bit too brief in his reply about giving just "transfer him off the base" which gave an already angry Col. Jessup (who had just dissed him in front of Lt. Kendric) another chance to undermine him. Perhaps if he had said "lets play this by the book, get him medically examined first and if he fails that, then transfer him out!". At least, that would've covered Jessup slightly had he subjected a medically fit Santiago to a "code red". But then again, Jessup seemed to be not interested in anything Markinson was saying to rectify this Pte Santiago issue.
Kiefer turned down the role of Batman which would have pitted him against Nicholson. Instead he went to additional training and became a professional CTU Agent. Kind of a win-win and lose-lose at the same time.
Not really kill him but maybe bust him down in rank and suspend his pay. Jessup is a jerk reminds me of one Captain of our ship was,a,first rate jerk but I admire Jessup for not wanting to transfer a problem onto another unit.
I love channels that turn the video clip down to 3, then crank up their "I'm awesome" clip to 12 and play it at the end so that you can blow out your speakers after turning up the volume to hear the dialogue.
This movie came out when I had just started my military career. It brings back so many memories, back to a time when I was young, strong, and 100% believed in America. 30 years later, after a long military career, a dozen deployments in combat zones all over the world, I find myself missing those early days, back to when I wasn’t so jaded. Back when I was a true believer. Nowadays, many of us are dealing with the debacle of Afghanistan and the decline of our once great nation. I know Colonel Jessup is just a fictional character, but I wonder if his ideology was the correct course of action, while the system that ended his command has ultimately failed us all? Just thinking out loud here.
" yeah well apparently he 's not very happy down here in Shangri-la he's written letters to everybody apart from Santa Claus" rlol. Jack Nicholson is so sarcastic .
Santiago’s flight could have been forced to enter Cuban airspace and land due to mechanical issues. Once there we would have found out that Santiago was actually a Cuban military plant. His handlers would change his mission and upon returning stateside, his inability to do PT would disappear and he would become a model Marine. He would continue spying for Cuba 🇨🇺 as he got promoted. On a parallel track, Lt. Kendrick (Kiefer Sutherland) would leave the Marines, join a government internal security agency and take the nom de guerre “Jack Bauer”. Then fast forward to Season 5 of “24” and Jack comes face-to-face with one of his former Marines who has dedicated his life to betraying the USA.
He could have wrote a letter about officers who were allowed to skate through with dirt or rust on their gear while privates had to go back three times to clear before they could get signed off.
RED CODES are applied NOT only to the soldiers but also to their spouses when they cannot utterly control everybody around them. Unfortunately, when you marry a military, a war, even the Cold War, extends to everyone surrounding the soldier either you like it or not.
This scene makes this movie. I want to side with Colonel Jessup and almost did. Probably would have if a few choice phrases were omitted. Taking Santiago's failure as not solely of his own but as a failure of his leadership is a subject I wrestled with during my time in the military. Hence why it is so hard to "kick" someone out of the military, at least in the U.S. military.
I served in the Marine Corps. In real life the lieutenant and a staff Sergeant would be their together, as well as, the Sergeant Major. Enlisted Marines have to be present for these discussions to provide their insight and solutions to such matters.
That's what happened in real life (It was based on an actual incident at Gitmo back in the 80s). A Marine . written to his congressmen about an illegal fence line shooting. That didn't sit well with his squad. So 10 men in his squad gave him the "code red", they blind folded him, tied his hands and gagged his mouth and pummeled him . They immediately stopped when he coughed up blood. The Marine survived but 10 Marines were apprehended/detained and charged with aggravated battery. 7 of them opted to settled for no jail time and a "other than honorable" discharges (The platoon Sgt. upgraded his to honorable) . 3 fought the charges The Colonel at the time was shipped out of Gitmo even though he was not involved in the incident.
I think they should have just transferred him to another base if he is not suitable for the job.u saw what happened to him when he didn't.the same situation happened with this kid who was bullied at his high school and the parents tried to get him transferred and they ignored it and the kids beat him up til he was almost unconscious and the parents won a $60 million dollar lawsuit against the school district.
I’m thinking I see a lot of Jack Torrence, Jack Napier and Jack Nicholson here. Jack Nicholson plays the same sarcastic psychopath in every movie. So much so that when he is being serious in any movie, it’s hard to take him serious because you keep expecting a sarcastic evil joke with the occasional explosion mixed into the calm voice.
So is Tom's job to stand there on the other side of the door with his hand on the doorknob ready to come in?? That's just about the speed he enters the room after Jessup calls for him.
Had this boot show up to our platoon and he would faint while in formation. Every time. Somehow it happens. Some dudes just skate through boot camp though, always at bas or whatever. Anyways, he ended getting medically discharged.
Was Santiago asking to be transfered to another assignment? Or out of the Marines altogether? If he was asking to be transferred to another base, the only thing that might be different might be the climate. Otherwise things would be every bit as tough on another base as in gitmo.
In the film it was stated that the Marines at Guantanamo were "fanatics" implying that the standards there were much higher than at your average Marine posting. I understand that this is a fiction invented by the movie, but it provides an in-universe explanation.
The problem is his issue wasn't that he needed a "transfer" he wasn't fit to be in the marines. And the army doctor failed to pick up on the fact that he had a heart condition. The only transfer he needed was out of the military. But rather than just quit the military or ask for a second opinion, he naively thought he could get a "nicer" military base if he transferred and was willing to exchange info (basically rat out) on one of the few people in base who stood up for him. Information that if in the wrong hands could potentially start a war. This is where I can't sympathise with Santiago. Although, he was a victim, to some disagree he was also dishonourable just like Jack Nicholson's character but with JN's character it was a "ends justify the means" approach, Santiago was just looking out for his self.
Jack Nicholson just knows how to dominate the room when it comes to his acting.
He is at his best when portraying pure evil.
@@michaelf7093 you are 10000% right, and I like that so much !
He probably does it even walking down a street and speaking to random people. TheManWhoKnows.
I find him tiresome and a one trick pony, talk in an intimidating monotone. He hasn't been an entertaining actor since the 80s.
@@huffbagwell3201 dude shut up
i think Jack could read the ingredients off a cereal box and make it sound like an ominous threat
@Peter T Well, I used to belong to a church where we had a youth minister who molested a bunch of children. I never knew about it, and I was not much older than some of the targeted kids. Do you know what happens in every room of your house 247?
Most cereals are a threat. LOL
@@jamesbutler8821 It always breaks my heart to hear about stuff like this. If that minister never did time for his crime, you should encourage the victims you knew to press charges. That's only if it's 100 percent true with evidence of course.
@@charlie5thumbs351 Well I left that church for the Army not long after and lost touch with all involved so I dunno how it played out but since I never had anyone grabbing my arm to say, "Did you hear what happened at your old church?" my guess is it got buried just like the priest assaults. Evidence? When is there ever evidence? Sexual assault by its very nature almost never leaves evidence. It's always he said, she said, which is why when there is more than one victim and/or they know things that they wouldnt unless they were assaulted we should believe them
@@jamesbutler8821 Sorry to beat a dead horse, but perhaps you could report him or at least have an investigator look into the situation. But idk, not sure how all that stuff works. It's just disturbing and really sad.
I like Tom's unquestioning loyalty. Not a moment's hesitation about how ludicrous the order is.
He is 0111 you need to be a yes man.
The colonel probably does stuff like that all the time and hes used to it
@@nczioox1116 Doubt it moron. He has to follow orders no matter what. Maybe they actually decided to surrender their position and there’s no way he would respond back
Haven't you seen the courtroom scene? "we follow orders or people die." lol
Tom is probably thinking "I hope he means it this time! I hope he means it this time!"
Transferring Santiago would’ve made a very short movie.
Or administratively separating Santiago, well within Jessup's power and arguably what he should have done. Let the next batch from boot and/or MOS school or wherever replace Santiago and transfer him to civilian life. He's a PFC. He'll either just be under or over ELS day limit, prompting either ELS, General or Honorable Discharge if his medical reasons hold up.
I dunno, surrendering the base to Cuba could have probably filled screen time. :D
They could have made it about Santiago’s journey checking out of CIF and making his flight on time
It would probably save lives!
Jessup would have qualified as one of the "Few Good Men"
Tom never thought twice about getting the president on the phone.
Yes sir, absolutely. You can trust someone with honor always. He’s just human and can get it wrong like anyone else, but honor means you will never sell out your own. Ever.
Tom reminds me of Private Baldrick from WWI.
@@dlracer2 You're right: blind, unquestioning, mindless obedience being laid upon the altar of any "honour" is always a good thing. How else could six million people have gotten shoved into ovens by the Nazis? Or events like My Lai been possible? Yes. You're right. Good point. We need more of this type of "honour".
He would later serve President Bartlet and worked in the West Wing of the White House!
@@Skymaster.47 I wonder what his cunning plan was if Jessup hadn't stopped him from calling the president.
This cast was absolutely incredible, J.T. Walsh was an incredible actor.
J.T. was taken from us much too soon.
Absolutely
Yea
JT Walsh was a staple in all the good 90s movies
He played that evil trucker/kidnapper in some movie with Kurt Russel. Great in that too.
Perfect example of his characters dangerous ego and narcissism that eventually leads to his demise. Great movie
His character is self-centered, egotistical, a person with a one-track mindset and arrogant.
@@frankdenardo8684 I believe that is the job description of a full bird colonel.
@@ScoutPL Jack Nicholson was great playing colonel Nathan Jessup.
@@ScoutPL Exactly. Once you get to memorable generals and admirals you're looking at people like Grant, Sherman, Lee, Patton, MacArthur and LeMay who might be considered amoral, ruthless and insane in any other setting. Instead we build monuments and statues to honor them. It's an interesting contradiction that depends on the context.
@@1notgilty Not sure whether you missed my point or are just trying to interject an alternate viewpoint. My point was, those traits lead to success in that role. Perhaps you agree with that and are opining that such a situation should not be? Not really sure where you were going. I will say, it is easy to chat about what should be, divorced from reality. It is far different to deal with what actually is. Ciao-
Nicholson was paid $5,000,000 for this supporting role. He only needed to be on set for two weeks to shoot his scenes. They made the right decision though I can't picture any other actor in the role except maybe Gene Hackman.
I agree,Mr.Hackman is one of my favorite people playing a military leadership role
So true. Gene Hackman as little bill in unforgiven w Clint Eastwood in 1992 also👍👍👍both great iconic actors and also at the age to play sheriffs, commanding officers, and senior authority figures👍👍
Well I'm glad you mentioned him yes I definitely agree. Gene hackman would have also been excellent in this. You mentioned anyone else I probably would have told you hell no.
@@lynnpabontheelitehero6579 or if Jack Nicholson was little bill and gene Hackman was col jessup. And gene Hackman played the evil characters so well. Quick and the dead w Sharon stone👍 and he was navy submarine commander in crimson tide and the admiral in behind enemy lines👍👍👍I think I read gene Hackman was retiring after 2001 royal tennenbaums movie..??.. but his last role was 2004 welcome to mooseport. Born in 1930 he’s 91-92 just like Eastwood 👍👍👍
@@mkrny111 Hackman also was the volatile but successful basketball coach in Hoosiers a role Nicholson read the script for and really wanted. I think he was tied up with something else though at the time.
I've never seen Jack Nicholson so menacing and formidable in any movie other than this.
@Mike Chiarelli I’ve watched The Shining *many many* times. It gets to the point where it’s just jack being jack. Still a great movie.
The end part is something I could picture a Marine saying. Shit was funny, but dude knew he was dead ass serious.
more than the Departed?
@@riverplate0101 he was more silly and fun in The Departed, still great tho
Have you seen any other of his movies? C'mon now
Tom probably gets called into the office every meeting.
Tom is the kind of guy you want on your team.
All 3 actors were brilliant in this movie. Kiefer was perfect as the no-nonsense, hardass Marine. And JT Walsh lent credence to every role he ever played.
He was especially creepy as Carl's child-molesting friend in Sling Blade. Too bad he's no longer with us.
Kevin Bacon did a helluva good job in his supporting role.
Walsh was awesome in the Negotiator too, perfect foil for Samuel Jackson.
@@shriharihudli In Good Morning Vietnam. He was the Sergeant Major who Robin Williams mentioned "Looks like Donna Reed in drag".
@@shriharihudli He usually plays a very straight upright authoritative person. However he did play a very creepy nasty role in sling blade. He was the sicko in the psych ward with Billy Bob. Vary convincing.
Tom was just doing his job. Respect
I wish if someone told me to get a hold of the President of the United States, I could just nonchalantly say, "Yes sir" and then get it done. It would be a cool job to have.
Nazis just doing their job....just sayin.
I love it. Someone tells you to get the President on the phone because we are surrendering our position in Cuba and you react as if he's telling you what to order for lunch.
Officers do not address enlisted men by their first names. That being said, as an enlisted man, when an officer tells you to do something you do it.
@@richardgladstone8975 they might depending on the unit
“I’m appalled…” my favorite reply to nearly everything…
Its so funny when Tom just straight up obeys the ridiculous order that Nicolson gives about surrendering.
Funny? It made me SICK.
This quick humorous aside actually served to illustrate how things are in Jessup's command. A very important point later in the film.
so what did you think Tom's options were ?
@@jimp9151 You should probably see a doctor about that.
@@stanleyhape8427 saying something like, Sir, that sounds pretty stupid, are you sure?
The colonel looks very high strung. He should consider taking a winter vacation in Colorado. There’s a very nice hotel he could rest at!
Haha, I see what you did there..
Wish I could give 2 upvotes for this comment
In fact, at 2:35 Nicholson does a little head jerk that always reminds me of Jack Torrance crazy behavior. Whether it was on purpose or a subconscious mannerism, it is quite unsettling. It somehow reveals a dangerous nature behind that façade.
All work and no play makes Jessup a dull Colonel.
And he should take Tom with him
I like how he simply went from transferring a marine off the base to just surrender the entire base 😁
He is clearly NOT a WISE man. A Marine, or any member of a branch of the military isn't up to snuff? You get rid of him BY THE BOOK.
@@jeffjones3040 no you give them a Code Red. Start letting Marines leave whenever they are butthurt, we won't have a country!
It’s his ego.
He could have just listened to his XO and be rid of the issue but his ego got in the way.
My brother in law was a former USMC marine he got kick out of the Marines for insubordination smoking weed on duty he was Lazy bad attitude bypolar
@@davidortega357 in A Few Good Men, the issue was that Pvt. Santiago went above his chain of command which is a HUGE no-no especially among the grunts (infantry).
The Corps is very strict on their marines using their chain of command to communicate orders and information, and most cases of Marines having problems or issues would be resolved without ever needing to go up the chain of command.
If a marine was indeed a shtbag, who didn’t perform well or follow the rules, yea they’d first be disciplined, hell some cases it wouldn’t be that bad and he’d get genuine help and care from other marines.
If the issues persisted and the marine wasn’t being cooperative, they’d absolutely be disciplined and eventually kicked out like your brother in law.
"I think we WILL transfer Santiago off the base."
Santiago gets transferred, credits roll.
Short and sweet! None of this drama bullshit!
"Please shit yourself into terminal exhaustion Captain Obvious, you've surrendered your position as an above-ground breather." - Col. Jessup
Jessup: We're surrendering our position.
Tom: Third time this week and it's only Tuesday.
The backstory of Tom… now that would be a story in and of itself.
Plot twist: Tom was working for the Cubans to take over GITMO the whole time 😂😂
Yes sir it would.
Wait! It wouldn't most likely.
Yes sir it wouldn't
Tom shows that men will do anything he tells them to do on that base.
... maybe a spin-off series? Basically him pecking away on a keyboard, then answering to shouted, but muffled summons, followed immediately by reversals.
I think the show might be funny for a good two seasons.
Col. Jessop himself freaked out when Tom just took sarcasm literally and almost got the president on the line... ! :D
Tom answered the call before the speed of sound was able to hit the door. Goddamn that's dedication!
He had his ear next to the door
He was waiting for this exact moment 😂
I shudder to think what happened the last time Tom answered the call just a split second too late …
@@segalliongaming8925 He would have gotten the Santiago treatment.
Yeah, but he couldn't hold a candle to Radar O'Reilly.
Tom was my favourite character , I wish they’d done more with him
Tom turns out ok. He went on to direct a Sportscenter type show and even worked in the White House where he got to take the Presidents place in poker games.
He also became President of Caltech.
Turns out Will Bailey has a history of pranking the Whitehouse
J.T. Walsh was good in everything he was in. RIP
A great recommendation is Breakdown with Kurt Russell. Excellent movie.
@@torridd totally agree with you. I was thinking about that movie the other day.
@@torridd, I loved him in Breakdown. Needful Things as well.
Tom probably heard this 100 times going by his response
Nicholson has perfected the art of playing a nutball character with varying levels of sanity in each of his movies.
More specifically Nicholson's career can be summarized as exploration on ways to be angry.
@@diibadaa9502 The art of being angry without showing angry lol!
@@Romulan2469 I'm fairly certain he shows his anger in just about every movie...he's not exactly subtle 😂
@@zeked4200 Here he is the most restrained with his anger lol!
"...santiago stays where he is..."
the way jack nicholson's face hardens when he says this line is chilling. he's a psychopath.
Jack is in, what?......3-4 scenes in this movie, and that's STILL enough for him to OWN it.....
Like the shark in Jaws.
Just realized that. Seemed like he was in most of the movie lol
Like Viola Davis in Doubt...
Like Anthony Hopkins in the Silence of the Lambs
Everyone needs a Tom in their lives
Tom must have been listening outside the door. He responded to his name being called in one second.
I love how Tom did get the sarcasm. LOL
Pssh I’m not gonna fuckin question him, are you?
No one could have played this role better than Jack Nicholson ... but the unforgettable Leslie Nielsen. I miss him.
Leslie Nielson, didn't he do comedy? Like a blind man at an orgy, he's going to have to feel things out.
He has so much dialogue delivery time. Jack is such a laid back and brilliant actor.
Hmmm--to me he plays "Jack Nicholson" in every scene of every movie.
I love that the secretary didn't even question calling the president
matthew seems like a good officer.
No Marine Officer would express emotion like this among his subordinates. This is typical Jack Nicholson playing a marine Col. Playing Jack Nicholson…..
Good to know you can speak for every single marine corps officer past and present.
Tom and Col. Jessup need their own comedy show.
Tom is going to have a long and successful career as a marine.
Lmao Tom was about to really surrender cuba 😅😅😅
I never served in the military let alone the Marines but after seeeing this movie a few times, I’m convinced that the person responsible for this wasn’t Jessup(Nicholson), JT Walsh or Kendrick(Keifeer Sutherland). It was the base doctor who failed to properly diagnose Santigo’s true physical condition. If he would have then wouldnt Santiago have been giving a medical discharge with full VA benefits? And how would have the other memmbers of Santaigo’s squad hhave reacted? Would they have tried to patch things up with him since his lousy performance was realted to his physical ailment?
He would have never made it pass boot camp with his medical condition let alone make it to Cuba. This was the weakest and dumbest part of a otherwise great movie.
No, Jessup should have Santiago be checked by another doctor, because suffering from quick heat exhaustion is a serious potential deadly medical condition. A couple of years ago a recruit died from heat exhaustion in the Dutch Military Police (separate branch of military, separated from the army, air force and navy), doing his graduation march. The doctor was called and treated the HE not sufficient and the sergeant let the recruits march in hot temperatures with their gore-tex coat on and wearing gloves.
In the Army we had a female in our platoon(medics) who had trouble breathing during our runs. They thought maybe it was just a conditioning thing and believed she'd get better after some time. Eventually she had such a hard time breathing she went to the clinic. I forgot what they diagnosed her with, but they told her a medical discharge would probably be best because what she had was chronic and wouldn't get better. She refused and she's still in I believe.
@@mardiffv.8775 did they state that Santiago was medically deficient?
@@Bigmojojo he was a PFC so, he wasn’t a green marine. If he truly had a medical condition it could have come up with a medical condition after boot camp.
I like how Tom didn't have the slightest reaction to "We're surrendering our position to Cuba".
Colonel Jessup let his ego and sadism get in the way. I understand it’s part of his job to make a soldier remain as one. Obviously he thought he could pleasurably get the job done with harsh and outside the parameters methods. The death of Santiago is the best argument you can give for not going outside the lines. Jessup failed to realize not all people are cut out to be something they’re not. Jessup should have taken his subordinates advice. Excellent movie, Nicholson, Cruise and Moore were excellent and squared away.
Santiago's a marine. They have minimum standards, which Santiago met at boot camp, otherwise he'd never have become a marine. Jessup's expectation that they could bring Santiago up to scratch isn't far-fetched.
@@fawziekefli2273 that's why I said it was Jesseps job to make Santiago remain a marine. Sometimes you have to cut them loose.. Otherwise every soldier would be SF qualified. SF know you have to cut people. Jessep should have realized it was time to cut him loose like his subordinate strongly told him to. In the end Jessep would have been able to visit his sister instead of going to Leavenworth.
"he can't run from here to there" LMAO
Tom had the shortest role in the movie, but he may have saved the entire goddamned nation.
I mean, it’s the dead fish stare of sheer contempt that makes Nicholson’s character portrayal, I think. There’s something about the humourless, disdainful, insincere, and utterly devoid of sympathy look in the eye that accurately conveys what it is like to look into the dark abyss of the sociopath’s soul that he captures so perfectly well here: LTCOL Jessup is a complete monster of a man, and the complete irony of it is that he’s a precisely such a monster who thinks he’s done nowt wrong, and for whom any outrage can be justified if it squares with his moralistic and peremptory sense of duty. When arrogance meets hubris the result is nemesis.
Col.Jessup is what we call a hard nosed officer.
@@briang.7206 Oh yeah, well he's what the rest of the world calls sadistic, narcissistic, dictatorial and above all PURE UNPREDICTABLE EVIL!
@@briang.7206 He might be, but that’s the worst if it: it basically comes down to the Nuremberg defence - “I only followed orders” - to be able to acquit anyone subject to his (illegal) commands who subsequently follow through his orders. That might be “hard”, but it isn’t “good” leadership. An officer such as he dishonours the very uniform being worn even whilst they self-righteously believe actions such as those portrayed are what it means to uphold the honour the uniform is supposed to represent; and, because those commands betray his duty to protect those subject to his authority from being required to perform illegal actions, in addition to others requested ex officio that occupy a moral or legal grey zone, far from being a role-model officer and an exemplar of leadership, he is the archetype for the corruption of unaccountable power and the failure of command. The tragedy of it is that he is so arrogant in the misplaced belief in his own correctitude that he doesn’t even realise the extent to which he is the antithesis of everything he holds dear. He’s a moral vacuum on stilts.
He's also an unbelievable hypocrite. He expects and demands the utmost respect but gives it to no one. He calls all subordinates by their first names instead of their rank, and is disrespectful to the one person in the whole movie who he doesn't outrank (the judge).
I don’t know if you noticed the insignias on the two senior officers lapels but one is a bird the American eagle to be exact and the other is a silver oak leaf the one is what we called a full bird colonel and the other is a light colonel which one do you think was the full bird colonel?
I wonder how many hours Tom spent rehearsing his lines (consisting of five words) with friends and family members, who all got to play Nicholson's role.
01:26 I've always wondered was Lt. Col Markinson a bit too brief in his reply about giving just "transfer him off the base" which gave an already angry Col. Jessup (who had just dissed him in front of Lt. Kendric) another chance to undermine him. Perhaps if he had said "lets play this by the book, get him medically examined first and if he fails that, then transfer him out!". At least, that would've covered Jessup slightly had he subjected a medically fit Santiago to a "code red". But then again, Jessup seemed to be not interested in anything Markinson was saying to rectify this Pte Santiago issue.
Nicholson has balls so massive he threatens to kill jack Bauer and nothing happens
Kiefer turned down the role of Batman which would have pitted him against Nicholson. Instead he went to additional training and became a professional CTU Agent. Kind of a win-win and lose-lose at the same time.
Not really kill him but maybe bust him down in rank and suspend his pay. Jessup is a jerk reminds me of one Captain of our ship was,a,first rate jerk but I admire Jessup for not wanting to transfer a problem onto another unit.
The next conduct and proficiency report was probably due in 24 hours.
I love channels that turn the video clip down to 3, then crank up their "I'm awesome" clip to 12 and play it at the end so that you can blow out your speakers after turning up the volume to hear the dialogue.
Santiago’s death, while tragic, probably saved lives.
How so?
The best part of the scene is Tom. That’s the epitome of being a Marine.
What a good actor j.t. walsh was
“He’s THAT bad, huh?” Hilarious!
Gotta love Jack- definitely one of the greats
RIP
Tom is now in charge of the nuke button. He's awaiting orders anytime
Tom: "Yes, sir"
2:14 " Yes, Sir !" without a little hesitation. 🤣
This movie came out when I had just started my military career. It brings back so many memories, back to a time when I was young, strong, and 100% believed in America. 30 years later, after a long military career, a dozen deployments in combat zones all over the world, I find myself missing those early days, back to when I wasn’t so jaded. Back when I was a true believer. Nowadays, many of us are dealing with the debacle of Afghanistan and the decline of our once great nation. I know Colonel Jessup is just a fictional character, but I wonder if his ideology was the correct course of action, while the system that ended his command has ultimately failed us all? Just thinking out loud here.
It seems that you CAN handle the truth.
Although Col Nathan Jessup has a god complex,I find myself respecting him.Why I don’t know?🧐
Actor portraying Tom had 3 memorable lines : "Sir?" "Yes Sir." and "Yes, Sir."
Tom stole the scene just by saying yes sir twice 2:00
really?
Hate to be that guy, but the correct response would have been "Aye, Sir"
@@DGenerationX69 why do you think you are right ?
Nicholson's character is very intimidating. Awesome actor.
That music at the end is definitely overselling the scene 🤣😂
Nicholson is truly the GOAT
We need more Tom's
Jack Nicholson is always a Legend.
Tom is the real hero
I love how John's (Sutherland's) breathing becomes increasingly intense and hard when Jessup approaches John with his 'plan' to retrain Santiago..
The Joker and Jack Bauer!
" yeah well apparently he 's not very happy down here in Shangri-la he's written letters to everybody apart from Santa Claus" rlol. Jack Nicholson is so sarcastic .
I sure would appreciate this kind of leadership where I work.
I always thought "Tom" should of gotten an Academy Award.
Brilliant scene !! Jack N owned this!! Like he did the entire movie !!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👌🏻
J. T. Walsh was truly an underrated actor and too little known to the general public.
Santiago’s flight could have been forced to enter Cuban airspace and land due to mechanical issues. Once there we would have found out that Santiago was actually a Cuban military plant. His handlers would change his mission and upon returning stateside, his inability to do PT would disappear and he would become a model Marine. He would continue spying for Cuba 🇨🇺 as he got promoted.
On a parallel track, Lt. Kendrick (Kiefer Sutherland) would leave the Marines, join a government internal security agency and take the nom de guerre “Jack Bauer”. Then fast forward to Season 5 of “24” and Jack comes face-to-face with one of his former Marines who has dedicated his life to betraying the USA.
Hilarious!
That would make for an interesting story.
Jack is the best Actor in the history of movies.. period
Matthew: "We should just transfer Santiago off the base."
Jessup: "Ok fine."
- End Credits -
This is why this man is the best actor all time imo
They could have made it about Santiago’s journey checking out of CIF and making his flight on time
OK, so that was funny. Well played.
You would’ve needed a sequel
He could have wrote a letter about officers who were allowed to skate through with dirt or rust on their gear while privates had to go back three times to clear before they could get signed off.
RED CODES are applied NOT only to the soldiers but also to their spouses when they cannot utterly control everybody around them.
Unfortunately, when you marry a military, a war, even the Cold War, extends to everyone surrounding the soldier either you like it or not.
That timing of the outro really nailed Nicholson's words home 😂
Nicholson stole this movie. He's pure magic.
At 0:25, does Sutherland have cauliflower ear?
Could be from getting an ear job (pinning them back)
@@80s_Boombox_Collector did he get that done did he?
@@sanctuaryism Jeff Sessions should have
@@80s_Boombox_Collector Well I can you it kills. had it done in 2007 myself.
@@sanctuaryism I don't understand what you're saying
What bothers me about this is nobody even thinks this guy has a medical condition that makes him unfit for service and therefore a liability.
This scene makes this movie. I want to side with Colonel Jessup and almost did. Probably would have if a few choice phrases were omitted. Taking Santiago's failure as not solely of his own but as a failure of his leadership is a subject I wrestled with during my time in the military. Hence why it is so hard to "kick" someone out of the military, at least in the U.S. military.
Some people aren't suited for it. It's not a failure of leadership.
Tom is so well trained!
What a pro Nicholson is - absolutely fantastic
Comic timing was pitch perfect. Bravo ! Sarcastic master chief in command
I served in the Marine Corps. In real life the lieutenant and a staff Sergeant would be their together, as well as, the Sergeant Major. Enlisted Marines have to be present for these discussions to provide their insight and solutions to such matters.
That's what happened in real life (It was based on an actual incident at Gitmo back in the 80s). A Marine . written to his congressmen about an illegal fence line shooting. That didn't sit well with his squad. So 10 men in his squad gave him the "code red", they blind folded him, tied his hands and gagged his mouth and pummeled him . They immediately stopped when he coughed up blood. The Marine survived but 10 Marines were apprehended/detained and charged with aggravated battery. 7 of them opted to settled for no jail time and a "other than honorable" discharges (The platoon Sgt. upgraded his to honorable) . 3 fought the charges
The Colonel at the time was shipped out of Gitmo even though he was not involved in the incident.
@@cripplehawk I'm talking about the meeting between the officers, and how it was conducted. Not the plot of the movie.
Thank you for your service.
So that's where Bauer learned to be ruthless and firm.
I think they should have just transferred him to another base if he is not suitable for the job.u saw what happened to him when he didn't.the same situation happened with this kid who was bullied at his high school and the parents tried to get him transferred and they ignored it and the kids beat him up til he was almost unconscious and the parents won a $60 million dollar lawsuit against the school district.
I’m thinking I see a lot of Jack Torrence, Jack Napier and Jack Nicholson here. Jack Nicholson plays the same sarcastic psychopath in every movie. So much so that when he is being serious in any movie, it’s hard to take him serious because you keep expecting a sarcastic evil joke with the occasional explosion mixed into the calm voice.
So is Tom's job to stand there on the other side of the door with his hand on the doorknob ready to come in?? That's just about the speed he enters the room after Jessup calls for him.
Nicholson hasn't completely rid himself of the joker in this scene.
Tom must love his job
He's in an air conditioned office. He could be on a wall with a helmet and a sub-tropical noon-day sun overhead.
Nobody plays Jack Nicholson as well as Jack Nicholson.
I just want to know how Santiago made it through Boot Camp with his health condition.
This!! I love this movie but they sure did a shitty job with Santiago's character and death.
Could have hit critical mass after basic. Colonel Jessup was lacking in that regard.
Had this boot show up to our platoon and he would faint while in formation. Every time. Somehow it happens. Some dudes just skate through boot camp though, always at bas or whatever. Anyways, he ended getting medically discharged.
Was Santiago asking to be transfered to another assignment? Or out of the Marines altogether? If he was asking to be transferred to another base, the only thing that might be different might be the climate. Otherwise things would be every bit as tough on another base as in gitmo.
In the film it was stated that the Marines at Guantanamo were "fanatics" implying that the standards there were much higher than at your average Marine posting.
I understand that this is a fiction invented by the movie, but it provides an in-universe explanation.
Jack Bauer under Nicholas’s command..he progressed to oustanding 24
Tom was about to go call the damn president for real!
Now, today, Santiago would get his transfer with no questions asked
The problem is his issue wasn't that he needed a "transfer" he wasn't fit to be in the marines. And the army doctor failed to pick up on the fact that he had a heart condition. The only transfer he needed was out of the military. But rather than just quit the military or ask for a second opinion, he naively thought he could get a "nicer" military base if he transferred and was willing to exchange info (basically rat out) on one of the few people in base who stood up for him. Information that if in the wrong hands could potentially start a war.
This is where I can't sympathise with Santiago. Although, he was a victim, to some disagree he was also dishonourable just like Jack Nicholson's character but with JN's character it was a "ends justify the means" approach, Santiago was just looking out for his self.