She’s my aunt and I see her every Christmas and thanks giving. She’s nice in person and she doesn’t talk much about her mom but she does have a lot of art of her in her house! Idk just thought like sharing that even though your comment was 4 years ago
Denise Loder is lovely down to earth lady, when you think of the life that she led, she is not superficial at all, also she is of British desent, her father John Loder was a British actor .
Sylvia Moe are u sure? I thought she's from Austria/Vienna w Jewish roots or was she just growing up in Vienna!? PS. both things we do share (Vienna and the Jewish ancestry btw ;-) l
I see her every thanks giving, Christmas and every now and so because she’s my aunt and she is very down to earth and lovely! You should see how cool her house is tho it’s like a beach paradise lol
You , her daughter, are a cute child and I'm sure a beautiful woman. Just like your mother. It would be an honor to meet and converse with you as well. Thank You Tom Bush
She may have been in boarding school but an older brother, thought to be adopted, was also in boarding school and then ended up being raised by another family. About 50 years later he got to talk to his mother. A year after Hedy's death it was found that in fact the oldest son was Hedy's and actor John Loder's natural son.
DNA proved several years ago that James was not John Loder's son and not Hedy's son. He is not biologically related to the family. The birth certificate James was showing people after he lost his case to control Hedy's 3.3 Million Dollar estate (mostly stocks from legal settlements) was a secondary certificate that adopted children are issued. It was issued after John Loder adopted him after he married Hedy and they moved to Beverly Hills from Hedgerow Farm. Adoption courts seal the birth parents' names. The most we will ever know is the little that Hedy said in a Movie Mirror magazine article in 1940. She said his father was Irish and killed in an accident before James was born, and his mother died shortly after. When James decided he wanted to leave Hedy and live with his teacher Ingrid Gray and her husband, Hedy took a while to convince but James kept causing trouble and Hedy gave in. Denise and Tony were too young to remember what went on but Hedy's old chauffeur and family friend Marvin Neal remembered. Neal told how James became very jealous of his siblings and he caused trouble at Chadwick's Military School which caused the school to prohibit him from living at the boarding school. When he left Hedy gave him a trust fund and Stephen Michael Shearer, in his new book on Hedy that just came out, revealed that Hedy helped pay for James' education for many years after until he entered the Air Force. There were never any pictures or stories of Hedy pregnant until she was carrying Denise in the mid-1940s. John Loder was in England and raising a family and Hedy was busy working for MGM many months before James was born in early 1939. She was dating Reginald Gardiner and then met and married Gene Markey. Hedy and Markey were having trouble conceiving...it was a stressful time for Hedy. She went to an orphanage and saw the baby who became James. It took a couple months and they remodeled a room for him. The Children's Society wanted James back when Hedy and Gene Markey divorced, but Hedy fought for James and won the case. She probably shouldn't have if she had known the problems he was going to cause.
@@KevinSanderson But will you say that the DNA showed that James is not Her son? That doesn't mean anything. There was a well-known case when in Australia, a mother's DNA accidentally revealed that she did not have her biological children. She had to call witnesses and get documents, otherwise she would have been decided by parental rights. It turned out, indeed, in some rare cases, DNA shows that the mother is not native to her children. James is the kind of son for Hedy. By scientific, I call him Her quantum son...)
@@bittibaldi1984 James is decidedly not her son biologically. He did not act like her son after a certain age causing her a ton of problems by all accounts. And even though he did monetarily well by her with a trust fund and money for his education until he entered the U.S. Air Force in the early 1960s he turned into a person you wouldn't want in your family. When he was a police officer in Omaha he shot and killed a 14 year old black girl, Vivian Strong, in the back of the head with no warning. His partner had to wrestle him to the ground to get his gun and take him in. The incident caused a few days of riots. An all white jury let him off. The incident can still be found online in articles. A few months after Hedy died he filed a false police report as a security guard at his job and that news too is still online and on his record. After he tried to get control of Hedy's estate a few months later and lost Tony and Denise gave him $50,000 for his inheritance as a brother. In the early 1960s Hedy wrote him out of her will which was auctioned off online and can still be viewed online at the auction website. Denise and Tony were generous to him. He supposedly talked with Hedy several years before she died but we only have his word on that. The other family members and friends alive then don't remember it happening. The whole story is a bunch of sad chapters. If he hadn't done what he did at Chadwick Military School, and his continued bad behavior we wouldn't be talking about this.
@@KevinSanderson The son's behavior does not predict whether he is biological or not. I know the story about Vivian Strong. I know that James is a dangerous man. I am not his lawyer. But, I know that he is indeed Hedy's son. Her eldest son. The whole question of the father is, who is he?) Why does James require all the dangerous genes?) I can guess WHO...but, sorry, I won’t say. Since Hedy did not want and refused this eldest son...
I thought she was in poverty and then her invention made her a multi multi millionaire but she says the patent had expired and she didn't get one penny for it. Back to investigation for me because she should be very rich!
Hedy went through millions from the movies and investments but had some tougher times in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s having to sell things she owned, properties, jewelry and artwork like paintings she had purchased. She was not broke shortly before she died as she had won a big settlement from Corel for their unlicensed use of her face on software boxes. A company did offer her some money for their use of frequency hopping later but I believed she died before they could. The Navy owned her and George's patent as they had donated it in WWII and the patent expired in 1959. She had Social Security and SAG help which was low, and friends helped her. She had some stocks, but she had a 3.3 Million Dollar estate when she died thanks mainly to stocks from the Corel settlement. Tony and Denise and a few friends inherited that with Tony and Denise giving $50,000 to James who left the family, his decision, but he still did alright as Hedy gave him a trust fund and provided for his education for many years until he went into the Air Force. She had written James out of her will in the early 60s from a will you can find online that was auctioned off.
DNA test several years ago proved he was not related. The secondary birth certificate he had was one issued to adopted children. His was issued after John Loder adopted him. Adoption courts seal the birth parents' names. I left a longer response with more details below.
@@Fizzy786 You're welcome. I've been researching Hedy's life for a couple years now and have found a lot of information, some misinformation from some bloggers. The most reliable is from Robert Osborne, Patrick Agan (both dead now), Stephen Michael Shearer, Richard Rhodes, Alexandra Dean (who revealed more info in interviews that didn't make it into her documentary - she could've made two films there was so much), Ruth Barton (she did a deep dive on Hedy and found no pictures anywhere of Hedy pregnant until Denise). I bought an old Movie Mirror magazine off ebay that had a well written two page article (small print) on the adoption with quotes from Hedy. A professional genealogist I know explained the big problems with James' secondary birth certificate that family researchers know too well. His lawyer in the European documentary from years ago obviously didn't know about secondary birth certificates, but that interview showed the certificate and it's there to see if you freeze frame when they show it. It shows it is not original with the later Roxbury Drive address for John Loder and Hedy Lamarr. Hedy used her real name for years. Hedy Lamarr shows up in legal documents much later. She filed the now famous patent as Hedy Kiesler Markey so she was using her legal name back then, not Lamarr. She gave her patent to the Navy later as Hedy Lamarr. Courts also seal the names of birth parents in an adoption never to be revealed not even on a birth certificate. A birth certificate is only good for a child's name and birth date.
Her children seem to have loved her even the adopted child, she abandoned isn't terribly critical of her. I would think their childhoods would have been chaotic but they all 3 seem to have warm feelings for her.
A lot of people with means, hire people to care for their children. She did the best she could and from interviews with Denise and Anthony they've accepted that. In life you accept that what is good is good and what is bad is bad, or you turn into a really bitter mess of a person.
Chris Johnson it's not any different than sending your child off to college when they're only 17 or 18 making adult decisions that's very sad especially today so many girls and young boys are LED astray even killed. Denise can see the difference she had a wonderful mother to come home to. Arnold Bourbon Amaral
Intelligent, talented woman. I wish I had been able to meet her and experience her brilliance. Thanks for this information. T L Bush
Thank you for posting, it’s always insightful hearing from relatives of famous people.
She’s my aunt and I see her every Christmas and thanks giving. She’s nice in person and she doesn’t talk much about her mom but she does have a lot of art of her in her house! Idk just thought like sharing that even though your comment was 4 years ago
thank you for this post! it is stated in the films of hedy lamarr about her invention.
Denise Loder is lovely down to earth lady, when you think of the life that she led, she is not superficial at all, also she is of British desent, her father John Loder was a British actor .
Sylvia Moe
are u sure? I thought she's from Austria/Vienna w Jewish roots
or was she just growing up in Vienna!?
PS. both things we do share (Vienna and the Jewish ancestry btw ;-) l
PettyWhiteDenise is the daughter - born in Los Angeles ... didn't you listen to the interview? do, it's interesting
I see her every thanks giving, Christmas and every now and so because she’s my aunt and she is very down to earth and lovely! You should see how cool her house is tho it’s like a beach paradise lol
This is great! Thank you for posting.
Prophetic comment at 14:00, Denise you were right! Great interview. Wow!
Hedy was indeed "The Most Beautiful Lady In The World" to me.
And now you know there're other beautiful people too.
You , her daughter, are a cute child and I'm sure a beautiful woman. Just like your mother. It would be an honor to meet and converse with you as well.
Thank You Tom Bush
She’s my aunt and she’s lovely!
Wonderful post; so interesting to know these details.
Great interview ❤️ lovely daughter ♥️🤗
You can see them ,HEDY SON AND DAUGHTER on "TO TELL THE TRUTH. also HEDY.as panelists and guests on WHATS MY LINE. And on my living room wall.
What a lovely interview!
Her daughter sounds lovely. I saw her picture and her daughter is very beautiful
Denise is very careful about Her great mother. And this is the right move.) It was interesting.
i love heddy lamarr i jjust whatch bomb shell omg im a kid and i love her
((∆*A STAGGERING BEAUTY & BRILLIANT SCIENTIST*∆))
She may have been in boarding school but an older brother, thought to be adopted, was also in boarding school and then ended up being raised by another family. About 50 years later he got to talk to his mother. A year after Hedy's death it was found that in fact the oldest son was Hedy's and actor John Loder's natural son.
James is not John Loder's son...
DNA proved several years ago that James was not John Loder's son and not Hedy's son. He is not biologically related to the family. The birth certificate James was showing people after he lost his case to control Hedy's 3.3 Million Dollar estate (mostly stocks from legal settlements) was a secondary certificate that adopted children are issued. It was issued after John Loder adopted him after he married Hedy and they moved to Beverly Hills from Hedgerow Farm. Adoption courts seal the birth parents' names. The most we will ever know is the little that Hedy said in a Movie Mirror magazine article in 1940. She said his father was Irish and killed in an accident before James was born, and his mother died shortly after. When James decided he wanted to leave Hedy and live with his teacher Ingrid Gray and her husband, Hedy took a while to convince but James kept causing trouble and Hedy gave in. Denise and Tony were too young to remember what went on but Hedy's old chauffeur and family friend Marvin Neal remembered. Neal told how James became very jealous of his siblings and he caused trouble at Chadwick's Military School which caused the school to prohibit him from living at the boarding school. When he left Hedy gave him a trust fund and Stephen Michael Shearer, in his new book on Hedy that just came out, revealed that Hedy helped pay for James' education for many years after until he entered the Air Force. There were never any pictures or stories of Hedy pregnant until she was carrying Denise in the mid-1940s. John Loder was in England and raising a family and Hedy was busy working for MGM many months before James was born in early 1939. She was dating Reginald Gardiner and then met and married Gene Markey. Hedy and Markey were having trouble conceiving...it was a stressful time for Hedy. She went to an orphanage and saw the baby who became James. It took a couple months and they remodeled a room for him. The Children's Society wanted James back when Hedy and Gene Markey divorced, but Hedy fought for James and won the case. She probably shouldn't have if she had known the problems he was going to cause.
@@KevinSanderson But will you say that the DNA showed that James is not Her son? That doesn't mean anything. There was a well-known case when in Australia, a mother's DNA accidentally revealed that she did not have her biological children. She had to call witnesses and get documents, otherwise she would have been decided by parental rights. It turned out, indeed, in some rare cases, DNA shows that the mother is not native to her children.
James is the kind of son for Hedy. By scientific, I call him Her quantum son...)
@@bittibaldi1984 James is decidedly not her son biologically. He did not act like her son after a certain age causing her a ton of problems by all accounts. And even though he did monetarily well by her with a trust fund and money for his education until he entered the U.S. Air Force in the early 1960s he turned into a person you wouldn't want in your family. When he was a police officer in Omaha he shot and killed a 14 year old black girl, Vivian Strong, in the back of the head with no warning. His partner had to wrestle him to the ground to get his gun and take him in. The incident caused a few days of riots. An all white jury let him off. The incident can still be found online in articles. A few months after Hedy died he filed a false police report as a security guard at his job and that news too is still online and on his record. After he tried to get control of Hedy's estate a few months later and lost Tony and Denise gave him $50,000 for his inheritance as a brother. In the early 1960s Hedy wrote him out of her will which was auctioned off online and can still be viewed online at the auction website. Denise and Tony were generous to him. He supposedly talked with Hedy several years before she died but we only have his word on that. The other family members and friends alive then don't remember it happening. The whole story is a bunch of sad chapters. If he hadn't done what he did at Chadwick Military School, and his continued bad behavior we wouldn't be talking about this.
@@KevinSanderson The son's behavior does not predict whether he is biological or not. I know the story about Vivian Strong. I know that James is a dangerous man. I am not his lawyer. But, I know that he is indeed Hedy's son. Her eldest son. The whole question of the father is, who is he?) Why does James require all the dangerous genes?) I can guess WHO...but, sorry, I won’t say. Since Hedy did not want and refused this eldest son...
I thought she was in poverty and then her invention made her a multi multi millionaire but she says the patent had expired and she didn't get one penny for it. Back to investigation for me because she should be very rich!
Hedy went through millions from the movies and investments but had some tougher times in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s having to sell things she owned, properties, jewelry and artwork like paintings she had purchased. She was not broke shortly before she died as she had won a big settlement from Corel for their unlicensed use of her face on software boxes. A company did offer her some money for their use of frequency hopping later but I believed she died before they could. The Navy owned her and George's patent as they had donated it in WWII and the patent expired in 1959. She had Social Security and SAG help which was low, and friends helped her. She had some stocks, but she had a 3.3 Million Dollar estate when she died thanks mainly to stocks from the Corel settlement. Tony and Denise and a few friends inherited that with Tony and Denise giving $50,000 to James who left the family, his decision, but he still did alright as Hedy gave him a trust fund and provided for his education for many years until he went into the Air Force. She had written James out of her will in the early 60s from a will you can find online that was auctioned off.
If she had been paid for her invention, with royalties, she would have been the richest woman in the world.
hedy as deliaghi....will never be forget....now days in vienna few jews....but she still wants her ashes go back...as kerisler..
Definitely did it during wartime so it was before 1945.
Was it actually proven that her estranged adopted son was biologically hers?
DNA test several years ago proved he was not related. The secondary birth certificate he had was one issued to adopted children. His was issued after John Loder adopted him. Adoption courts seal the birth parents' names. I left a longer response with more details below.
@@KevinSanderson Thank you
@@Fizzy786 You're welcome. I've been researching Hedy's life for a couple years now and have found a lot of information, some misinformation from some bloggers. The most reliable is from Robert Osborne, Patrick Agan (both dead now), Stephen Michael Shearer, Richard Rhodes, Alexandra Dean (who revealed more info in interviews that didn't make it into her documentary - she could've made two films there was so much), Ruth Barton (she did a deep dive on Hedy and found no pictures anywhere of Hedy pregnant until Denise). I bought an old Movie Mirror magazine off ebay that had a well written two page article (small print) on the adoption with quotes from Hedy. A professional genealogist I know explained the big problems with James' secondary birth certificate that family researchers know too well. His lawyer in the European documentary from years ago obviously didn't know about secondary birth certificates, but that interview showed the certificate and it's there to see if you freeze frame when they show it. It shows it is not original with the later Roxbury Drive address for John Loder and Hedy Lamarr. Hedy used her real name for years. Hedy Lamarr shows up in legal documents much later. She filed the now famous patent as Hedy Kiesler Markey so she was using her legal name back then, not Lamarr. She gave her patent to the Navy later as Hedy Lamarr. Courts also seal the names of birth parents in an adoption never to be revealed not even on a birth certificate. A birth certificate is only good for a child's name and birth date.
The link to where Denise talks about the DNA test...about 13:16 in ruclips.net/video/rH-ISr5y4lo/видео.html
sadly she was not a good mother she even hired others to look after her kids and even dumped one child off. read history before u jump on me.
Her children seem to have loved her even the adopted child, she abandoned isn't terribly critical of her. I would think their childhoods would have been chaotic but they all 3 seem to have warm feelings for her.
A lot of people with means, hire people to care for their children. She did the best she could and from interviews with Denise and Anthony they've accepted that. In life you accept that what is good is good and what is bad is bad, or you turn into a really bitter mess of a person.
fun one All celebs had other people caring for their kids. It's hard being a movie star and a mother at the same time.
Chris Johnson it's not any different than sending your child off to college when they're only 17 or 18 making adult decisions that's very sad especially today so many girls and young boys are LED astray even killed. Denise can see the difference she had a wonderful mother to come home to. Arnold Bourbon Amaral
Maybe... But all Her children still love Her...