Recently purchased a 2023 2500 Rebel with the 6.4. I’ve always been a Ford guy, but the durability and dependability of the 6.4, along with the basically bulletproof Z8 transmission, is what I like. I run a ranch in Montana. I’m not an off-roader per say, but here in Montana, the places you have to go just to get hay can be difficult. Your towing up and down mountains, across muddy and deeply rutted hay fields that can be miles off any paved roads. I’ve been using a 2019 Power Wagon and it has performed flawlessly, no matter how difficult the terrain or conditions. So the Rebel gives me the same capability with more payload and towing. Trust me, when your out in a muddy, uneven hayfield pulling 10,000 pounds of hay, the last thing you want is a diesel. It’s too heavy in the front. Every year I’m winching some diesel truck out of some hole or ditch. Keep your diesel on the road and you’ll be fine.
Greetengs JB. RAM provides and you will have the best choice according to your abilities and needs. Both are EXCELLENT! Just for VERSATILITY I would stay with the REBEL. Big hug from CDMX, México.
The HD Rebel with the best payload/towing capacity is a Hemi. I'm and off roader (no towing). Power Wagon for me for the winch, disco sway bars, lockers, and lower price.
Six in a row ready to tow😂 but seriously the 2500 Ram is just too limited on GVWR. Rebel HD should be a 3500 and 35’s, rear locker and limited slip front differential. But the Chevy HD ZR2 was also a disappointment. My 68 has served me well. 6 years and 100k miles deleted and tuned and it’s never had an issue. I definitely use it but I don’t abuse it either.🇺🇸💪
Rebel with the cummins cannot have the optional Warn winch added, only the gas Hemi can. I think thats due to all of the diesel components that are in the front end.
Id go with the diesel & swap a few parts with banks a Cummins equipped with banks is hard to beat also I agree about the tires id keep them for a year & get something a bit larger or Hercules tire has some very interesting tires for towing with best warranty in the industry they have a patent in their rubber compound & don't spend a lot on advertising instead it goes to research and development that'd be my personal setup
Question, I have a 4th gen 3500 long bed, can i do a direct tire/wheel swap from a 5th gen without making any modifications. Im not sure if the gen 5 got a lift or not and the gen 5 tire wheel combo i think ( 4th gen 265x70r17 vs 5th 275x70r18), are much larger than the 4th. Any input would be appreciated.
My 2022 Ram 2500 Limited (with Cummins Diesel) behaves weirdly in 4WD-High mode. When I am parking at low speed, and when the steering wheel is fully to the left or to the right, or even near that, the steering wheel moves by itself kind of violently and the engine is struggling. It's doing that even in rain or dirt road. I went to the dealership and he says it's normal. Can it be normal? Do you have experience with that?
You’re not supposed to use 4x4 on pavement unless in snow. The drivetrain binds causing your steering issues and making it feel like it doesn’t want to go. Same will happen in off-road scenarios with good traction. I would only use 4x4 once you start losing traction off road or in obvious low traction conditions like sand and mud.
I wish someone could tell me how the (gas) 2500 Power Wagon rides versus the (gas) 2500 Rebel. I know the PW has softer suspension for the off-road crowd and because of that loses payload capacity, but I'm more interested in the overall RIDE versus the Rebel. I test drove a Rebel today and liked it a lot, but just can't get beyond the stiffness of the Rebel over a slightly rough county highway.
I think according to Ram’s website, the PW actually has more payload AND (!) towing capacity than the Rebel with the Cummins. Just test drove both today. PW is a little more “squishy” but the difference is negligible.
honestly the PW uses Billstein shocks they are garbage, it uses Good year 33s they are Garbage. The springs are softer they are a dual rate . i threw away the Billsteins , good years and the springs, I put Thuren springs Toyo tires and fox remote reservoir shocks. I also added air bags to the rear. I can easily haul Over GVW . rides like a dream. The Mojave is missing a winch and a front locker it NEVER will do what a PW can do . and anybody with common sense is not going to run 20" rims off road. I also added Thuren front and rear track bars which the rear vastly improved towing with a coil over rear end and the front gives me adjustability.
If you are thinking about a Power Wagon, comparisons need to be off road capability not how well it does on highway. It is a truck designed for use on dirt trails
It's proven mpg gains are minimal after deleting. Most people start racing their new hotrod with a hot tune and blow 68rfes out of the water the first 100 miles!😂
Fortunately I wasn’t “most people”, I put many miles on a few tuned Cummins/68rfe trucks with no blown transmissions. Pre-def delete tuning definitely made an mpg difference. Post def, delete tuning I didn’t see a measurable difference. The lack of reliability of the def system combined with the lack of parts during during the last few years would be a much better argument for delete tuning in my opinion. Not sure if parts availability has improved, I haven’t been following too closely lately.
Trans tuning is the issue. Only a few guys actually know how to tune the trans correctly. Mines been running strong but did a lot of research first on who's tunes I was going to use
This truck is supposed to be the better towing truck, yet it's payload is just 1,700!? The diesel engine gets just 3mpg better over the Hemi and its slower? Nothing I see about the Rebel makes any sense as to why I would buy that over the Powerwagon. Also, good luck finding a Rebel for under 90k. Completely stupid. Ford will give you a rear locker for an extra 500 bucks and has much better payload. Payload is everything in towing. In summary, the Rebel is more expensive, can't tow, has very minimal mpg advantage with higher maintenance costs and higher gas prices. It is also not as capable offroad. Please explain the purpose of this truck.
Wow you are going to cause a lot of hurt feelings with those 0-60 times lol. To be fair though to get the max performance out of a diesel you have to build boost and then it probably would have won. But this is real world so there you go and the Cummins is painfully slow compared to the other diesels. Sorry but it is. I have a friend that had a 68RFE and it definitely liked to run hot. I live right at the foot of a mountain that he had to cross towing his fifth wheel and it’s a windy curvy two lane and steep but his trans would give him a heat warning towing across it. So they definitely will run hot. Probably not an issue on a Highway though because you have a lot more air flow.
Well the gas sold and the cummins didn't hmm maybe because ram really screwed over the whole build of the hd rebel. I will say the 2500 rebel to me was a big disappointment since it was supposed to bring the capability of an hd to an offroader "or look of an offroader which i love" The payload stinks especially on the diesel side and the towing capacity isn't that much better. Currently at this time in history you should never have to say, get the gas option if you want to tow more.
@jet052673 that's why I said payload was especially bad on the diesel and the payload is also dependent on how the truck is configured, you can disagree with me I just think ram dropped the ball, I would 💯 get the rebel just for the looks of it alone. Also they should have put 35's on it
Ram have huge problems with egr system that’s why is long crank. My truck have egr software update every 2 weeks because check engine light. Also loose steering is new trucks coming with bad steering parts ( drag link and track bar) . My mechanics from ram dealership said soon will gonna have some front axle recall trucks eating tires like crazy. Stay away from 2022 and 2023.
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Recently purchased a 2023 2500 Rebel with the 6.4. I’ve always been a Ford guy, but the durability and dependability of the 6.4, along with the basically bulletproof Z8 transmission, is what I like. I run a ranch in Montana. I’m not an off-roader per say, but here in Montana, the places you have to go just to get hay can be difficult. Your towing up and down mountains, across muddy and deeply rutted hay fields that can be miles off any paved roads. I’ve been using a 2019 Power Wagon and it has performed flawlessly, no matter how difficult the terrain or conditions. So the Rebel gives me the same capability with more payload and towing. Trust me, when your out in a muddy, uneven hayfield pulling 10,000 pounds of hay, the last thing you want is a diesel. It’s too heavy in the front. Every year I’m winching some diesel truck out of some hole or ditch. Keep your diesel on the road and you’ll be fine.
Would you say bigger tires are better or just keep them stock? How does the power wagon compare to a Ford f250 in off road?
Great comparison between the two trucks great video
Greetengs JB.
RAM provides and you will have the best choice according to your abilities and needs.
Both are EXCELLENT!
Just for VERSATILITY I would stay with the REBEL.
Big hug from CDMX, México.
The HD Rebel with the best payload/towing capacity is a Hemi. I'm and off roader (no towing). Power Wagon for me for the winch, disco sway bars, lockers, and lower price.
And 4.10 gears and a big Hemi with an 8 speed trans!
Thanks .. The comparison I’ve been waiting for
I like your videos because you do your homework on theses Vehicles
Six in a row ready to tow😂 but seriously the 2500 Ram is just too limited on GVWR. Rebel HD should be a 3500 and 35’s, rear locker and limited slip front differential. But the Chevy HD ZR2 was also a disappointment. My 68 has served me well. 6 years and 100k miles deleted and tuned and it’s never had an issue. I definitely use it but I don’t abuse it either.🇺🇸💪
Rebel with the cummins cannot have the optional Warn winch added, only the gas Hemi can. I think thats due to all of the diesel components that are in the front end.
Took my Power Wagon down the track for fun it ran 15.31 one run,one time...0-60 was low 7 second range,sea level cool October night.
So for a combination truck for daily driver, tow and haul, as well as off road, and fit a family of 5 which would be a better option? Thanks
Man im glad u did this review, lots of good info!
Just found a 2011 power wagon that im going to try out
Great video. Very helpful
Id go with the diesel & swap a few parts with banks a Cummins equipped with banks is hard to beat also I agree about the tires id keep them for a year & get something a bit larger or Hercules tire has some very interesting tires for towing with best warranty in the industry they have a patent in their rubber compound & don't spend a lot on advertising instead it goes to research and development that'd be my personal setup
Pressure looks a little bit low on the PW, so that could be why they were louder. Less pressure, more friction, more noise.
Have they switched back to the CP3 since they were hand grenading engines?
Question, I have a 4th gen 3500 long bed, can i do a direct tire/wheel swap from a 5th gen without making any modifications. Im not sure if the gen 5 got a lift or not and the gen 5 tire wheel combo i think ( 4th gen 265x70r17 vs 5th 275x70r18), are much larger than the 4th. Any input would be appreciated.
I got a 16 ram 2500 and swapped my buddies 22 ram 2500 wheels on it. Just use the newer lug nuts
What was the gearing on the rebel?
It is good transmission yes but i have seem people do an ats (alison transmission swap) on their ram and it was a dream come true
Is this like diesel specific or is it recommended for the hemi too?
@@reytorres6767 sorry buddy but Allison is a diesel transmission can't get it for a gasser
I’m a GM guy but these trucks are definitely sweet
Nice video
My 2022 Ram 2500 Limited (with Cummins Diesel) behaves weirdly in 4WD-High mode.
When I am parking at low speed, and when the steering wheel is fully to the left or to the right, or even near that, the steering wheel moves by itself kind of violently and the engine is struggling.
It's doing that even in rain or dirt road.
I went to the dealership and he says it's normal.
Can it be normal? Do you have experience with that?
You’re not supposed to use 4x4 on pavement unless in snow. The drivetrain binds causing your steering issues and making it feel like it doesn’t want to go. Same will happen in off-road scenarios with good traction. I would only use 4x4 once you start losing traction off road or in obvious low traction conditions like sand and mud.
I wish someone could tell me how the (gas) 2500 Power Wagon rides versus the (gas) 2500 Rebel. I know the PW has softer suspension for the off-road crowd and because of that loses payload capacity, but I'm more interested in the overall RIDE versus the Rebel. I test drove a Rebel today and liked it a lot, but just can't get beyond the stiffness of the Rebel over a slightly rough county highway.
I think according to Ram’s website, the PW actually has more payload AND (!) towing capacity than the Rebel with the Cummins. Just test drove both today. PW is a little more “squishy” but the difference is negligible.
honestly the PW uses Billstein shocks they are garbage, it uses Good year 33s they are Garbage. The springs are softer they are a dual rate . i threw away the Billsteins , good years and the springs, I put Thuren springs Toyo tires and fox remote reservoir shocks. I also added air bags to the rear. I can easily haul Over GVW . rides like a dream. The Mojave is missing a winch and a front locker it NEVER will do what a PW can do . and anybody with common sense is not going to run 20" rims off road. I also added Thuren front and rear track bars which the rear vastly improved towing with a coil over rear end and the front gives me adjustability.
I get a solid 20mpg on my 16' 3500 DRW with 4.10 gears weighing in at 9800 lbs. They seem to have neutered that truck
Maybe tire pressure
They are kinda opposite trucks, diesel, gas. Different suspension, kinda of silly to compare.
If you are thinking about a Power Wagon, comparisons need to be off road capability not how well it does on highway. It is a truck designed for use on dirt trails
6.4l Moving, numbers weren't that off. Put 30,000lbs behind it
1,401 lb payload on that "HD" truck?! Ouch...
410 gears has the rpm higher on the gas
Man that Power Wagon rides ROUGH just listening to your voice fluctuations. 😂
It's proven mpg gains are minimal after deleting. Most people start racing their new hotrod with a hot tune and blow 68rfes out of the water the first 100 miles!😂
Fortunately I wasn’t “most people”, I put many miles on a few tuned Cummins/68rfe trucks with no blown transmissions. Pre-def delete tuning definitely made an mpg difference. Post def, delete tuning I didn’t see a measurable difference. The lack of reliability of the def system combined with the lack of parts during during the last few years would be a much better argument for delete tuning in my opinion. Not sure if parts availability has improved, I haven’t been following too closely lately.
@@jeffs2809 Right on, the money you have to spend to refresh your emissions goes along way toward deleting when the particulate filter is stopped up.
Trans tuning is the issue. Only a few guys actually know how to tune the trans correctly. Mines been running strong but did a lot of research first on who's tunes I was going to use
@@jeffs2809if you don't mind me asking what model year is your ram
@@fireflyraven2760 currently have a ‘17 2500 (g56) manual. Before that was a ‘14 2500 68rfe and an ‘11 3500 68rfe before that.
That Cummins was loosing power on each shift you can tell when looking at the speed and RPMs the 68RFE needs to be replaced.
Swap with a 4th gen G56 manual
This truck is supposed to be the better towing truck, yet it's payload is just 1,700!? The diesel engine gets just 3mpg better over the Hemi and its slower? Nothing I see about the Rebel makes any sense as to why I would buy that over the Powerwagon. Also, good luck finding a Rebel for under 90k. Completely stupid. Ford will give you a rear locker for an extra 500 bucks and has much better payload. Payload is everything in towing. In summary, the Rebel is more expensive, can't tow, has very minimal mpg advantage with higher maintenance costs and higher gas prices. It is also not as capable offroad. Please explain the purpose of this truck.
Wow you are going to cause a lot of hurt feelings with those 0-60 times lol. To be fair though to get the max performance out of a diesel you have to build boost and then it probably would have won. But this is real world so there you go and the Cummins is painfully slow compared to the other diesels. Sorry but it is.
I have a friend that had a 68RFE and it definitely liked to run hot. I live right at the foot of a mountain that he had to cross towing his fifth wheel and it’s a windy curvy two lane and steep but his trans would give him a heat warning towing across it. So they definitely will run hot. Probably not an issue on a Highway though because you have a lot more air flow.
The speedometer on the Power Wagon has a different font than mine does. Does anyone know how to change the fonts in the gauge cluster?
Can't hear you
Well the gas sold and the cummins didn't hmm maybe because ram really screwed over the whole build of the hd rebel.
I will say the 2500 rebel to me was a big disappointment since it was supposed to bring the capability of an hd to an offroader "or look of an offroader which i love" The payload stinks especially on the diesel side and the towing capacity isn't that much better. Currently at this time in history you should never have to say, get the gas option if you want to tow more.
Payload is over 3,100 lbs on the Rebel HD HEMI. Not too bad.
@jet052673 that's why I said payload was especially bad on the diesel and the payload is also dependent on how the truck is configured, you can disagree with me I just think ram dropped the ball, I would 💯 get the rebel just for the looks of it alone. Also they should have put 35's on it
Power wagon is only 100 more unless you get the diesel rebel………..8-10k more
You got 3.73 gears
Chrysler trans missions suck. Aisin trans is solid but not a racer. If you want a racer, get the ZF trans from Chrysler
i own one of these and it will never have me geeked up enough to not put no gas in it... its a gas hog!
The problem with that Power Wagon: "..it ain't got no gas in it.."😁
That power wagon is where I'd be with the tradesman package. Who work son! Ram.....or they used to haha. All the tech is ruining our vehicles
Can't beat a Cummins... When Ford is stroking ram is Cummins. Hahaha dirty dad joke on father's day.
Ram have huge problems with egr system that’s why is long crank. My truck have egr software update every 2 weeks because check engine light. Also loose steering is new trucks coming with bad steering parts ( drag link and track bar) . My mechanics from ram dealership said soon will gonna have some front axle recall trucks eating tires like crazy. Stay away from 2022 and 2023.
The truck has a Tire 🤣🤣🤣