Agreed! One of the reasons why I don’t enjoy getting cosmetics for overwatch (or cod for that matter) is you can’t see them! lol I’ve already purchased a few skins in Rivals and I will more than likely buy more down the road.
@@stevedoe8622 not they're not lmao. Play at high rank like high diamond onwards and it's literally like old ow 6v6 meta days. Also the game just came put so it's fine for some characters to be overpowered. But this game is super refined for a new release
Marvel Rivals is a good game. I play strategist, didn't even consider other roles bc I knew there would be more ppl who prefer combat. As Cloak and Dagger I provide HUGE heals for everyone and get some cheeky elims. Feels good when you see your team wrecking ppl and their health staying high - makes them feel invincible which makes me feel like an awesome teammate. Story of a medic. Edit: Btw, nice watch tim :)
That's not a good comparison because Overwatch literally copied Team Fortress 2. Atleast Rivals is alot different. Overwatch is a clone of TF2, Rivals is just a hero shooter.
This can turn out to be a lot like Fortnite and Apex. Apex had "respawn beacons" and Fortnite added it too. Apex had pinging and Fortnite added it too. Rivals have no fomo battlepasses. Many games might go for that route too if they get hate for not doing it...
@@davidmarkovic6369 That's true however halo didn't do well enough for it to be the status quo for battlepasses, hopefully this will start branch off into more games going forward
I agree that the launch of Marvel Rivals is likely really good for both games. We can only hope this pushes Overwatch to be better in the future, and both games can coexist.
As an OG OW player and a Marvel fan, marvel rivals is a dream come true ngl. Man I'm sad that I might quit overwatch but its a long time coming considering how bad they're treating their player base by not delivering with PVE and etc.
No Pve didn't make me quit overwatch, but it definitely made me less interested. And I don't care about the new characters in OW2 anymore, Pve would have helped with that.
Why are people still crying about this. All the devs that made those promises don’t even work at blizzard anymore and you’re still holding resentment over losing something you never had in the first place. Criticize the actual gameplay and content. Cause last time I checked. No one is playing rivals for its PvE
@@brycenb2994 OW player base need/needed something to keep interest in the game as a hole instead of the same old gameplay. That’s what PvE was supposed to be. A way to keep the game interesting. Rivals is the new popular version of OW that allows people to play marvel characters, which is massive considering the decade and a half long run that marvel has been on. That model is going to get old eventually so Rival devs are gonna have to figure how to keep the game fresh and not make the same pitfalls as OW.
I’ve played Overwatch since release and have been in top 200 multiple times. After marvel rivals I will NEVER go back to Overwatch. It’s literally just better.
I bought the Thor love and thunder skin, and I couldn’t be happier. 1. Love supporting the game 2. Awesome skin cosmetically 3. Sweet MVP scene and Emote 4. (Maybe my favorite) when I swing my hammer a metal guitar rift starts playing, as well as when I use my ult the rock song plays while I’m in the air!
I never thought Tim would have an opinion that I would consider intelligent and yet his take on no role queue might have been the best I’ve heard. Truly a flying pig
I love having no role lock. Ive played a few games where id test a duelist or vanguard out (strategist main) and I wouldn't do well, so I'd just swap to healer and let someone else have that role. Overwatch has open queue, but every game is just 3 tanks, 2 supports 😭
@XenosGhxst Im a DPS main who is always playing Support. I want to do damage, I know im really good at it. But the last time I tried to play DPS in open q I got 3 people screaming at me that im the reason no one likes open q and I ruin the game. Not the match, but the game as a whole. 😭😂
thats what people also refuse to acknowledge, and havent yet, a lot of OW character designs are inherently fuckin flawed, you got tanks 1shotting DPS or healers you got tanks denying you from playing the game(dva) that you have no agency in counterplaying just cause you are no beam, you got a mercy character that goes against TEAM SHOOTER logic by not requiring her to aim at all and thus not translating her gameplay into any other character, tanks in MR arent OW broken level, not yet at least and thats whats not making GOATS exist as of now because DPS characters are just BUSTED and annihlate tanks in 1v1, which they should, but DPS in ow just get rolled over if tank decides to 1v1 with them cause "counterpick meta"
You wanna know what's really great about Marvel Rivals? Is that for one of the skins in the current battle pass, the one that is free, the skin actually looks good (its the Hela skin)! In my opinion, its the best skin in the entire current battle pass! And it's the free one! You still have to grind a little to get it, but still, free!
My counterpoint to Role Que is Role Restrictions. You do not need to force people to que for certain roles, all they need to do is limit roles to a max of 3. This means that you can have 3 DPS, but you can’t have a 4th or 5th. This would allow people to swap freely without having to make a dedicated Role Que like in OW. I understand wanting to keep it completely open … HOWEVER I have a feeling that its gonna develop some VERYYY toxic Metas that could kill the game. Think about a 4 Tank/2 Support team on any push map. You essentially have too much health and healing and you can just push it to overtime, ult spam, then win. If theres a Loki too? Just ult the Iron man then team wipe the enemy
Give it a few months though and the no role lock thing will become an issue. People will find their main and they won’t want to swap. Exactly what happened in Overwatch. It’s refreshing at the moment because nobody has a clue what they’re doing, but you wait until you get an entire team of DPS that won’t swap….
Marvels Rivals right now has more potential with the characters they still add(Thanos, Deadpool, ANT-MAN, and that’s just scratching the surface) the gameplay is much more quick and fun as well
Yeah pretty good community. I was on a team just DpS than I switched to Hulk as a tank than one of my teammates decided to switch to healer than another switched to another tank so now we actually became a team. Small decisions can make a big difference. I had no clue how to play tank but now I do.
The first time I tried the replay system back in the beta, I knew rivals wasn't fucking around and coming for OWs' crown. Rivals is just superior in every way.
Quite literally, Marvel Rivals is better than Overwatch in EVERY. SINGLE. WAY. The hate on Rivals is the DEFINITION of hating what’s popular. OW players HATE the fact that Rivals is successful and taking away players from their favorite little precious game. Cope.
Marvel Rivals should do something crazy and buff weak hero’s instead of nerfing the strong ones. Wild thought but maybe people would like seeing their niche hero becoming viable in most play style
I had a game last night where we got whooped the first round and I was dps but I felt like we weren’t getting a lot of heals, I went support the next two rounds and we swept them. The ability to have different layouts that aren’t 2-2-2 is so much better
I hate the idea of gatekeeping a game concept even when the Original devs aren't doing a good job. I mean if you're not able to make a fun interactive experience then someone else will do it. No point in hating on it, if your product Is superior nobody can touch it. And competition is always good for the end users which is us the gamers.
I agree, currently diamond 1 & from the day I started playing ranked. I always let me teammates pick their character & I’ll fill in whatever we need. But if I see someone seriously holding us back I’ll tell them hop off & go heal or tank etc. because when the enemy has a Hawkeye or punisher or Hela etc. & for some reason no one contests them the entire game I’m not going to wait for them to magically do it.
I tried OW and could never get into it. This game being marvel and it's characters instantlywas a yes for me. Gameplay is also solid and i enjoy it. Props to marvel games for making this and having a whole universe to take stories from.
every heroes in marvel feels very powerful in its own ways. when I finished season event missions and collected all the images for the comic, I was genially happy what I achieved. Not the experience you can get when you play OW2...
For anybody saying "It's and OW clone", when has any clone ever been more popular than the original? if it was just a clone then people would've continued playing the original but since original is worse than this "clone", people are playing the "clone". Also I think Marvel Rivals did justice to the support class. In OW support actually felt like just background characters whose only job was healing or buffs etc, while very important to the team it was not very appealing to most players gameplaywise making the player picking support generally just taking one for the team. In Rivals supports contribute to the game, get kills and do a lot more while also healing your team, I can switch around between support and DPS very conveniently and have almost no change to my gameplay, you always need good positioning and can continue killing enemies while just providing heals to anyone in your view, it's just so seamless. I'm not the best tank player so won't make any judgements on that, anybody proficient with tanks in both OW and Rivals may give a better view on them.
Ive been enjoying the heck out of rivals and I used to love grinding OW but I can agree with Tim Marvel is taking the template that overwatch had and improving on it.
I swear I can practically smell the upcoming collaboration with DC. It's literally the next big marketing move to make after bringing in so many marvel characters.
To the Overwatch refugees who's come over to Marvel Rivals, I know there are things that can improve in Rivals, but it's just released. It's season 0. Can y'all relax with the complaining? Give the game some time. Yall OW refugees want Rivals to play exactly like Overwatch, but yet you're the same bunch that complained about how OW plays. Marvel Rivals can learn from other games and still be its own thing. How bout yall learn multiple characters in multiple classes. Also, those who be complaining about not getting heal, its hard to heal when u are so far away from your healing, maybe as well learn where the health packs are so u wont put so much pressure on the healers(strategist). Ppl who are playing team hero shooters just be skipping the TEAM part.
I'v never played Overwatch, took one look at it and said to myself, this is not for me. I liked marvel for as long as I can remember. so I tried this game, and I love this game now.
Completely agree with Tim about role queue. If you complain about there only being dps players, then stop being a dps player. Be apart of the solution, not the problem. At MOST it should have Min 1 Max 3. But no role queue
I hope they make Role Lock BUT, that they make it so that anyone can be any of the classes, but once 2 are locked in, that role is blocked out for others. This way a team could in theory swap during a team wipe or between rounds.
But then what happens to teams that want to run 1 tank, 3 duelist, 2 strategist? Or even a full dive team with 1 tank, 4 dps, and 1 strategist? Do those comps just then become impossible?
@@spatz2219 Yes, like Overwatch, 222 is just better to play when you are playing with random people online. Not to mention more fun. Sure, those off comps work in some rare situations, usually only when the other team is playing one. It's much simpler to balance the game around, that's for sure.
I don't understand that argument that people use. Like, okay, let it be 100 right now. It is kind of the same thing. Yes, it is, and you can say some characters are almost the same as Overwatch. Yes, you will get that, but, bruh, every game is almost or is a copy of another game or has the same look at characters that most games already have. That's normal, like really, name a game that came out that is not a copy of another game. Even games that have series are almost the same or copies of something. That's the worst argument, man.
@@stevedoe8622 idk where ur getting that from. People have massive egos at higher ranks and just wont swap even if they are doing dreadful. Ive been flexing basically every game since i have 3 dps instalocks. Sometimes they will swap but I wouldnt say its too common
The whole Role que thing would be horrible... however i would support rivals doing a "max of 3 dps on a team at a time" kind of rule. Not "you can only play dps" but a "there cannot be more than 3 of any category of hero at a time." I understand that could possibly limit the ability to form some crazy meta like a 4 tank 2 heal meta or something like that... but that was only really a thing in OW because the balancing was dog Sh for a bit.
Is it better than Overwatch? Not at all, does it do some things better than OW Yes! Overall the game graphics are inferior, the gameplay is inferior, the audio is inferior, the maps are terrible. But id give them the fact that buildings can be destroyed. That mechanic is insanely awesome.
Exactly ~ I usually main healers, but I like to play DPS or tank every now and then. Sometimes if I'm playing one of them and I can tell that I'm not being effective, or a healer on our team is clearly struggling to keep up with the need for heals, I'll gladly swap over to heals and I've won several Rival matches that way. Sometimes you're in a game and you can just TELL that your skill on X or Y hero would be all the difference; and being literally stuck and unable to play them or swap frankly takes all of the fun out of the game. Why should I even bother to play other roles if I'm going to be pidgeonholed into one role all match anyway? It negates your actual skill as a player and removes your ability to gel with a team; sometimes people are way better at healing than me and I'm wasting my time on heals, and we need more DPS, so I swap and leave that solo Mantis or whatever to carry us because clearly they can, they're always in the right spot and know their kit super well, their timing is flawless etc. - and I'm not needed, but we also can't seem to secure kills. Boom, my swap over to a DPS to handle that one flying hero that's bothering us makes a huge difference and now no one has to waste time looking up because I'm at least serving a purpose in the game. It's basic strategy, and I LIKE to be able to strategize in game; the whole point of games is using the extent of your smarts and ability to try and win!
I dont think Role Queue would work in MR as it does in OW2. OW2 attempts to clearly define the roles with strengths and weaknesses while MR does, what OW2 attempted to do, aim for a more brawler type playstyle (especially with tanks). Yeah MR's has tanks and supports but their role in the match isnt as clearly defined as it is in OW2 and the TTK plays a large role in that.
The X game copied Y game argument is ridiculous. Games have always been iterative and probably always will be. Outside of straight up rip offs e.g. stealing assets it doesn't matter.
Also to the point on the battle pass, its not filled with nonsense garbage. EVERY page is a famtastic skin your working toward and CORRESPONDING cosmetics. And literally anything else is useable currency
You guys gotta chill on his pronunciation of strategist, sure it's uncommon to pronounce it that way in the U.S but in Commonwealth countries it's actually fairly common to pronounce it that way. It's not wrong, just different.
2:42 what sucks about no role que is that many people literally don't have enough common sense (or care enough) to change characters mid-round. However, I agree 1000% and don't want it. I'm just tired of people not using their brains.
Do people really not understand that there is no way to copywrite a genre, or a "system". DnD can't copywrite another company for starting a Tabletop RPG that uses dice and has monsters. It's such a stupid argument to make.
Your joking right? Definitely not the first not even close. Might be the first you have seen, but Samito had tim beat by months on this exact topic and that's just one person of many too. Plus he said the same damn thing months ago. But glad to see Tim does have the balls to share his valued opinion on it aswell.
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You know what's cool about Marvel Rivals? When I buy a skin for my character, I can actually see it.
THIS
makes me 1000x more likely to buy one
Agreed! One of the reasons why I don’t enjoy getting cosmetics for overwatch (or cod for that matter) is you can’t see them! lol
I’ve already purchased a few skins in Rivals and I will more than likely buy more down the road.
… they made it 3rd person to sell more skins. But it’s fundamentally a worse design. Right hand peaking is so much better then left
@@ForbidenXShadow Are.. you real? there are so many reasons for 3rd person lmao, many characters would just not work. stop spewing nonsense lmao
As an OG OW support main, I am loving Marvel Rivals even more, all the characters but especially the supports
Theyre all completely busted that's why.
@@stevedoe8622 Busted? How you can walk on and delete them most the time unless they're ulting.
@@stevedoe8622 not they're not lmao. Play at high rank like high diamond onwards and it's literally like old ow 6v6 meta days. Also the game just came put so it's fine for some characters to be overpowered. But this game is super refined for a new release
The supports is insane
Rivals is so REWARDING for support
The way you're saying strategist is killing me haha
Bleep blurp
I was just about to type this 😂
Struhteagist
Now I want him to pronounce spaghetti..oh wait it's food so he will get it right for sure.
We all know Tim is a dumb dumb lol
Marvel Rivals is a good game. I play strategist, didn't even consider other roles bc I knew there would be more ppl who prefer combat. As Cloak and Dagger I provide HUGE heals for everyone and get some cheeky elims. Feels good when you see your team wrecking ppl and their health staying high - makes them feel invincible which makes me feel like an awesome teammate. Story of a medic.
Edit: Btw, nice watch tim :)
"heals are massive" is one of my favorite things to hear as a C&D main
My favorite thing about being a cloak and dagger main is that I can be a very effective strategist but the character also works as a DPS lite.
You’re a real one, love getting good strategists 👌
This is me with Mantis.. it reminds me of my Templar DPS/heals build from Elder Scrolls Online. It just felt right.
The way Tim says STRATEGIST is painful.
For real 😂 Not even the word "Strategy" is pronounced like that.
Strat EEEEE gist
lol homeschooled
Overwatch 2 vs Marvel Rivals is Hydrox vs Oreos. Hydrox came first, Oregon took the formula and made a superior product.
That's not a good comparison because Overwatch literally copied Team Fortress 2. Atleast Rivals is alot different. Overwatch is a clone of TF2, Rivals is just a hero shooter.
@@iKrazyyiso we're going to act like rivals didn't take any inspiration from any other hero shooter
@itsjustsincere1004 if you put it like that than yeah we can clearly see inspirations from Fortnite, Overwatch, TF2 and Valorant.
@@iKrazyyihmm i thought tf2 was more like Battlefield with all the ammo and classes
But MR have 50 years ago resources (the Origin one)
This can turn out to be a lot like Fortnite and Apex. Apex had "respawn beacons" and Fortnite added it too. Apex had pinging and Fortnite added it too. Rivals have no fomo battlepasses. Many games might go for that route too if they get hate for not doing it...
Halo infinite first made non expirable battlepass
@@davidmarkovic6369 That's true however halo didn't do well enough for it to be the status quo for battlepasses, hopefully this will start branch off into more games going forward
LAND SHARK > OVERWATCH HEROES.
Ow devs need to finally get their heads out their asses and make jetpack cat already, so dumb they haven't done it to this day
I agree that the launch of Marvel Rivals is likely really good for both games. We can only hope this pushes Overwatch to be better in the future, and both games can coexist.
I'm actually shocked at how well put together that first argument was lmao
As an OG OW player and a Marvel fan, marvel rivals is a dream come true ngl. Man I'm sad that I might quit overwatch but its a long time coming considering how bad they're treating their player base by not delivering with PVE and etc.
No Pve didn't make me quit overwatch, but it definitely made me less interested. And I don't care about the new characters in OW2 anymore, Pve would have helped with that.
Why are people still crying about this. All the devs that made those promises don’t even work at blizzard anymore and you’re still holding resentment over losing something you never had in the first place.
Criticize the actual gameplay and content. Cause last time I checked. No one is playing rivals for its PvE
@@brycenb2994 OW player base need/needed something to keep interest in the game as a hole instead of the same old gameplay. That’s what PvE was supposed to be. A way to keep the game interesting. Rivals is the new popular version of OW that allows people to play marvel characters, which is massive considering the decade and a half long run that marvel has been on. That model is going to get old eventually so Rival devs are gonna have to figure how to keep the game fresh and not make the same pitfalls as OW.
I’ve played Overwatch since release and have been in top 200 multiple times. After marvel rivals I will NEVER go back to Overwatch. It’s literally just better.
(Strata - jist) strategist.
When you translate it it says loss-sure. Thought it was ironic and funny 😂😂
That only applies when Tim plays
I bought the Thor love and thunder skin, and I couldn’t be happier.
1. Love supporting the game
2. Awesome skin cosmetically
3. Sweet MVP scene and Emote
4. (Maybe my favorite) when I swing my hammer a metal guitar rift starts playing, as well as when I use my ult the rock song plays while I’m in the air!
I never thought Tim would have an opinion that I would consider intelligent and yet his take on no role queue might have been the best I’ve heard. Truly a flying pig
The most fun I’ve had since BO3.
Rivals is wild.
Real ones remember Team Fortress. I was the Doc in that game too. And Support in Overwatch. And now Strategist in Rivals.
2:30 YES. I love this part the most about no roles. I can switch to a role that is better for me depending on the team.
I love having no role lock. Ive played a few games where id test a duelist or vanguard out (strategist main) and I wouldn't do well, so I'd just swap to healer and let someone else have that role.
Overwatch has open queue, but every game is just 3 tanks, 2 supports 😭
If you try to play DPS in open q, you get to play Hate Speech Simulator.
@jinxx8456 😭😭 I insta lock supp so I never get to experience that
@XenosGhxst Im a DPS main who is always playing Support. I want to do damage, I know im really good at it. But the last time I tried to play DPS in open q I got 3 people screaming at me that im the reason no one likes open q and I ruin the game. Not the match, but the game as a whole. 😭😂
@jinxx8456 bruh 😭😭
thats what people also refuse to acknowledge, and havent yet, a lot of OW character designs are inherently fuckin flawed, you got tanks 1shotting DPS or healers you got tanks denying you from playing the game(dva) that you have no agency in counterplaying just cause you are no beam, you got a mercy character that goes against TEAM SHOOTER logic by not requiring her to aim at all and thus not translating her gameplay into any other character, tanks in MR arent OW broken level, not yet at least and thats whats not making GOATS exist as of now because DPS characters are just BUSTED and annihlate tanks in 1v1, which they should, but DPS in ow just get rolled over if tank decides to 1v1 with them cause "counterpick meta"
Rivals is just excellent. - OW veteran.
You wanna know what's really great about Marvel Rivals? Is that for one of the skins in the current battle pass, the one that is free, the skin actually looks good (its the Hela skin)! In my opinion, its the best skin in the entire current battle pass! And it's the free one! You still have to grind a little to get it, but still, free!
My counterpoint to Role Que is Role Restrictions. You do not need to force people to que for certain roles, all they need to do is limit roles to a max of 3. This means that you can have 3 DPS, but you can’t have a 4th or 5th. This would allow people to swap freely without having to make a dedicated Role Que like in OW.
I understand wanting to keep it completely open … HOWEVER I have a feeling that its gonna develop some VERYYY toxic Metas that could kill the game. Think about a 4 Tank/2 Support team on any push map. You essentially have too much health and healing and you can just push it to overtime, ult spam, then win. If theres a Loki too? Just ult the Iron man then team wipe the enemy
they should role queue for when the team only has 1-4 stacks, then unlock it for 5-6 stacks
Paladins sitting in the corner with the dunce cap
OW is a fps, Rivals is a fighting game
Give it a few months though and the no role lock thing will become an issue. People will find their main and they won’t want to swap. Exactly what happened in Overwatch. It’s refreshing at the moment because nobody has a clue what they’re doing, but you wait until you get an entire team of DPS that won’t swap….
Marvels Rivals right now has more potential with the characters they still add(Thanos, Deadpool, ANT-MAN, and that’s just scratching the surface) the gameplay is much more quick and fun as well
Petition to have Kevin do more intros:
Yeah pretty good community. I was on a team just DpS than I switched to Hulk as a tank than one of my teammates decided to switch to healer than another switched to another tank so now we actually became a team. Small decisions can make a big difference. I had no clue how to play tank but now I do.
The first time I tried the replay system back in the beta, I knew rivals wasn't fucking around and coming for OWs' crown. Rivals is just superior in every way.
Everyone conveniently forgets about Concord when downplaying Marvel Rivals success.
lmao the way tim says strategist is like nails on a damn chalkboard
Quite literally, Marvel Rivals is better than Overwatch in EVERY. SINGLE. WAY. The hate on Rivals is the DEFINITION of hating what’s popular. OW players HATE the fact that Rivals is successful and taking away players from their favorite little precious game. Cope.
Marvel Rivals should do something crazy and buff weak hero’s instead of nerfing the strong ones. Wild thought but maybe people would like seeing their niche hero becoming viable in most play style
I can’t wait till they hopefully release ghost rider I feel like he gon go crazy
He could either be a tank with a lot of built in cc or a dps.
The ways he says Strat E gist “I was elected to lead not to read.”
Also there is a page for characters lores! Yes almost everyone knows Marvel lore but still there.
Rivals has completely replaced cod for me. NCAA and rivals🤝
“I’m not gonna go on a tangent “ uploads a tangent video 😂
8:30 How about conco- ooh... yeah i forgot about that
Tim: "What can you do in MR that you can do in Rainbow 6, 3-2-1"
Me: Destroy the Map
Tim: Bans
Me: .....
I had a game last night where we got whooped the first round and I was dps but I felt like we weren’t getting a lot of heals, I went support the next two rounds and we swept them. The ability to have different layouts that aren’t 2-2-2 is so much better
I hate the idea of gatekeeping a game concept even when the Original devs aren't doing a good job. I mean if you're not able to make a fun interactive experience then someone else will do it. No point in hating on it, if your product Is superior nobody can touch it. And competition is always good for the end users which is us the gamers.
Also the idea of overwatch was dying, Marvel Rivals literally revived it.
I love struhteagists.
I agree, currently diamond 1 & from the day I started playing ranked. I always let me teammates pick their character & I’ll fill in whatever we need. But if I see someone seriously holding us back I’ll tell them hop off & go heal or tank etc. because when the enemy has a Hawkeye or punisher or Hela etc. & for some reason no one contests them the entire game I’m not going to wait for them to magically do it.
I tried OW and could never get into it. This game being marvel and it's characters instantlywas a yes for me. Gameplay is also solid and i enjoy it. Props to marvel games for making this and having a whole universe to take stories from.
every heroes in marvel feels very powerful in its own ways. when I finished season event missions and collected all the images for the comic, I was genially happy what I achieved. Not the experience you can get when you play OW2...
For anybody saying "It's and OW clone", when has any clone ever been more popular than the original? if it was just a clone then people would've continued playing the original but since original is worse than this "clone", people are playing the "clone".
Also I think Marvel Rivals did justice to the support class. In OW support actually felt like just background characters whose only job was healing or buffs etc, while very important to the team it was not very appealing to most players gameplaywise making the player picking support generally just taking one for the team. In Rivals supports contribute to the game, get kills and do a lot more while also healing your team, I can switch around between support and DPS very conveniently and have almost no change to my gameplay, you always need good positioning and can continue killing enemies while just providing heals to anyone in your view, it's just so seamless. I'm not the best tank player so won't make any judgements on that, anybody proficient with tanks in both OW and Rivals may give a better view on them.
Warzone catching strays out in these streets😂
Ive been enjoying the heck out of rivals and I used to love grinding OW but I can agree with Tim Marvel is taking the template that overwatch had and improving on it.
I swear I can practically smell the upcoming collaboration with DC. It's literally the next big marketing move to make after bringing in so many marvel characters.
Facts!!! 💯
Maximizing experimentation is the #1 thing that would make Rivals completely destroy Overwatch.
To the Overwatch refugees who's come over to Marvel Rivals, I know there are things that can improve in Rivals, but it's just released. It's season 0. Can y'all relax with the complaining? Give the game some time. Yall OW refugees want Rivals to play exactly like Overwatch, but yet you're the same bunch that complained about how OW plays. Marvel Rivals can learn from other games and still be its own thing.
How bout yall learn multiple characters in multiple classes. Also, those who be complaining about not getting heal, its hard to heal when u are so far away from your healing, maybe as well learn where the health packs are so u wont put so much pressure on the healers(strategist). Ppl who are playing team hero shooters just be skipping the TEAM part.
yk whats an overwatch knock off?? Overwatch 2 😅
Marvel rivals was more of a successor to ow than ow2 ever was.
Also a lot of us grew up and are growing up on these super heros that are now all playable characters! And we love it
I'v never played Overwatch, took one look at it and said to myself, this is not for me.
I liked marvel for as long as I can remember.
so I tried this game, and I love this game now.
Completely agree with Tim about role queue. If you complain about there only being dps players, then stop being a dps player. Be apart of the solution, not the problem. At MOST it should have Min 1 Max 3. But no role queue
I hope they make Role Lock BUT, that they make it so that anyone can be any of the classes, but once 2 are locked in, that role is blocked out for others. This way a team could in theory swap during a team wipe or between rounds.
But then what happens to teams that want to run 1 tank, 3 duelist, 2 strategist? Or even a full dive team with 1 tank, 4 dps, and 1 strategist? Do those comps just then become impossible?
@@spatz2219 Yes, like Overwatch, 222 is just better to play when you are playing with random people online. Not to mention more fun. Sure, those off comps work in some rare situations, usually only when the other team is playing one. It's much simpler to balance the game around, that's for sure.
3:30 yeah but I wind up having to tank every fuckin game….
I don't understand that argument that people use. Like, okay, let it be 100 right now. It is kind of the same thing. Yes, it is, and you can say some characters are almost the same as Overwatch. Yes, you will get that, but, bruh, every game is almost or is a copy of another game or has the same look at characters that most games already have. That's normal, like really, name a game that came out that is not a copy of another game. Even games that have series are almost the same or copies of something. That's the worst argument, man.
2:20 its rare that someone actually swaps when you ask them to though
No offence but you must be in lower rank cause in the higher ranks people want to win meaning they need to set there ego aside.most of the time
I insta lock dps literally every game because that’s my main but by the time the timer ends if we need a support or tank I switch.
It's rare in low elo. In high elo ppl will swap if you ask them nicely
@@stevedoe8622 idk where ur getting that from. People have massive egos at higher ranks and just wont swap even if they are doing dreadful. Ive been flexing basically every game since i have 3 dps instalocks. Sometimes they will swap but I wouldnt say its too common
The game doesnt need role queue because the tanks and healers are actually fun to play
The whole Role que thing would be horrible... however i would support rivals doing a "max of 3 dps on a team at a time" kind of rule. Not "you can only play dps" but a "there cannot be more than 3 of any category of hero at a time."
I understand that could possibly limit the ability to form some crazy meta like a 4 tank 2 heal meta or something like that... but that was only really a thing in OW because the balancing was dog Sh for a bit.
Someone send this man back to school so he can learn how to say strategist
Is it better than Overwatch? Not at all, does it do some things better than OW Yes! Overall the game graphics are inferior, the gameplay is inferior, the audio is inferior, the maps are terrible. But id give them the fact that buildings can be destroyed. That mechanic is insanely awesome.
the Battle Pass type system is from Halo, the gameplay and base of the game is an evolution of overwatch, it is WAY better
Ironic people thought Rivals would be a knock off cash grab of overwatch when overwatch 2 is an actual knock off cash grab of overwatch 1.
I’ve been preaching these point on X and threads and people are vilifying me 😂
The only similarities between Overwatch and Rivals is that theyre hero shooters. They're different in so many ways. Rivals is just a better game.
I know those finger tats hurt so bad🤣 especially near the nail
Bro strateeeeeegist lol homeschool
Best hero shooter of the year? Obviously Concord!
OW is scared of rivals with bringing ow classic. 6v6 and even hero bans in tournament 🤣🤣
Exactly ~ I usually main healers, but I like to play DPS or tank every now and then. Sometimes if I'm playing one of them and I can tell that I'm not being effective, or a healer on our team is clearly struggling to keep up with the need for heals, I'll gladly swap over to heals and I've won several Rival matches that way. Sometimes you're in a game and you can just TELL that your skill on X or Y hero would be all the difference; and being literally stuck and unable to play them or swap frankly takes all of the fun out of the game. Why should I even bother to play other roles if I'm going to be pidgeonholed into one role all match anyway? It negates your actual skill as a player and removes your ability to gel with a team; sometimes people are way better at healing than me and I'm wasting my time on heals, and we need more DPS, so I swap and leave that solo Mantis or whatever to carry us because clearly they can, they're always in the right spot and know their kit super well, their timing is flawless etc. - and I'm not needed, but we also can't seem to secure kills. Boom, my swap over to a DPS to handle that one flying hero that's bothering us makes a huge difference and now no one has to waste time looking up because I'm at least serving a purpose in the game. It's basic strategy, and I LIKE to be able to strategize in game; the whole point of games is using the extent of your smarts and ability to try and win!
they can go further and try to team up with dc to make the ultimate superhero clash up that makes space the limit
I dont think Role Queue would work in MR as it does in OW2.
OW2 attempts to clearly define the roles with strengths and weaknesses while MR does, what OW2 attempted to do, aim for a more brawler type playstyle (especially with tanks).
Yeah MR's has tanks and supports but their role in the match isnt as clearly defined as it is in OW2 and the TTK plays a large role in that.
37th Winston in the world is kinda crazy tho
That's the voice of Kevin?!
Kevin voice reveal. :0
Role que should be a thing, but just make it interswappable.
Can’t wait for ghost rider to come, what if he’s a healer shit would be so cool
The biggest problem with the game is that 80% of the characters are Dps.
I want a role quota, that way every role has at least one player
Tim is spot on here
Marvel Rivals is the next generation
The X game copied Y game argument is ridiculous. Games have always been iterative and probably always will be. Outside of straight up rip offs e.g. stealing assets it doesn't matter.
Never forget pop tarts are the knockoff of dollar store toast ems
I get Loki everytime idk why I just fuck with Loki
Insta lock Black panther/ Wolverine gets me SOOOOO tilted
This is not a wake up call for overwatch. This is the nail in their coffin.
That game is now irrelevant.
Idk but I like the structure of role queue , nothing worse than being a single support.
Once marvel rivals adds more characters and maps it won't be close
Also to the point on the battle pass, its not filled with nonsense garbage. EVERY page is a famtastic skin your working toward and CORRESPONDING cosmetics. And literally anything else is useable currency
You guys gotta chill on his pronunciation of strategist, sure it's uncommon to pronounce it that way in the U.S but in Commonwealth countries it's actually fairly common to pronounce it that way. It's not wrong, just different.
Tim’s trying to make an appearance in the next marvel movie with all this glaze
It is a well made game though
+100 Social Credit
Just one word: Shark
2:42 what sucks about no role que is that many people literally don't have enough common sense (or care enough) to change characters mid-round. However, I agree 1000% and don't want it. I'm just tired of people not using their brains.
Do people really not understand that there is no way to copywrite a genre, or a "system". DnD can't copywrite another company for starting a Tabletop RPG that uses dice and has monsters. It's such a stupid argument to make.
Overwatch was so good when it first came out 8 years ago
First guy to have the balls to talk about both
Your joking right? Definitely not the first not even close. Might be the first you have seen, but Samito had tim beat by months on this exact topic and that's just one person of many too. Plus he said the same damn thing months ago. But glad to see Tim does have the balls to share his valued opinion on it aswell.