King of Conundrums - The Complete History of the Riddler
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- Опубликовано: 13 янв 2018
- Riddle me this, riddle me that! What's green and smug? The Riddler of course! Join me as I explore the fascinating and rocky history of Edward Nigma, Batman's cleverest foe!
The Riddler was created by Bill Finger and Dick Sprang. Batman was created by Bill Finger and Bob Kane. All related characters are properties of DC Comics.
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I came from the future to tell you we finally have the riddler we deserve, 2022' the batman definetely does justice to the character
What a 26 Minute video we have been blessed
This is one if not my favorite of your videos and this series is a great idea
I love these videos. It is interesting leraning the history of these Batman Rogues. Riddler , Scarecrow , Two Face and Penguin are 4 of my favorite Batman villians.
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1:25 - The riddler's 1st appearance
2:35 - The riddler in the golden age
3:35 - The 60's show & other cartoons
6:15 - The 1st character study
7:00 - The riddler in the silver age
7:30 - The riddler in the bronze age
9:40 - The riddler downward spiral
14:45 - The animated series
16:00 - Batman forever
17:10 - The riddler's origin
18:00 - The riddler in the 00's
19:10 - The riddler in cartoons & video games
21:45 - The new 52 riddler
22:35 - The riddler's last appearances
24:20 - Conclusion
As with most versions, BTAS is my personal favorite with Gotham second in a close race and Bronze Age Eddie for the trifecta.
It's kinda funny you upload this now. Just earlier I was playing Arkham Knight and collecting those riddler trophies.
The king of conudrums is satisfied with your work! Now, riddle me this! I come in many shapes and sizes, I stick to many sufaces, but I'm not sticky at all! What am I! It's an easy one Mr. Rouges! I hope even your mind can figure it out! And if you think this is beacause you didn't put me as the best Batman villian! You're right!
Why, you are a magnet, Mr. Nigma.
Gotham Rogues Aw! I knew you could do it you tiny brained youtuber!
@@theriddler8850 how pathetic, give us more of a challenge Ed
The Riddler Wow getting soft in your old age Ed
@@ohitsthatguy8079 IKR
Fantastic video! I never realized that there was a seventeen year interval between the Riddler's first appearances and his sixties breakout! Although the Riddler has had some times when he was marginalized he is such a classic rogue that his place as one of Batman's greatest foes can never be denied! Looking forward to More of these rogue histories! Thanks Gotham Rogues for a great new series!
John glover’s portrayal in btas and wally wingert in the arkham games are my personal favorites. It would have been interesting to see a christopher nolan take on the character but oh well. Great video, please continue with this series, your analysis is always informative and entertaining!
How bout a Zack Snyder one?
Another great idea for a series of videos, and a great tribute to the Riddler! This channel is getting better and better, congratulations.
I love this series already. Series like this have been done for heroes before, but I cannot recall any that focus specifically on the villains.
As for my favourite Riddler, well it's actually the reformed version from Paul Dini's run in the 2000s, which really should've stuck, though If I was going to limit myself to the villainous versions of the Riddler, I would go for the DCAU version.
I think Comic Drake has done something sorta like this for Riddler, although honestly I never watched the video, so it may not be that similar.
Yeah it was a huge missed opportunity to not have given Eddie an ongoing or atleast a mini series while he was a PI..
I had no idea I knew so little about my favorite character! You are brilliant Rouges! I learned so much about the Emporer of Enigmas and can't wait to see more videos on this series!
I wish I could like this video multiple times. The Riddler is my absolute favorite fictional character. I may have just the tiniest obsession with him.
...nothing that's going to ruin my life though...I think.
Excellent, super informative video. I'm a big Riddler guy but I've never read or seen anything that offers his real-life history in such a complete, comprehensive way. This is the kind of well-curated perspective you don't get by going to a wiki page that's just a badly-edited rundown of an insanely convoluted fictional biography. Thanks for this, I learned a lot. Please do more!
I really like the idea of going through a characters history over all media. As for my favorite Riddler, it’s hard to say really, I think the ones I keep going back to as my favorites are the animated series, Arkham, and Zero Year
This is the best video ive ever seen in my life
And this is the best comment I've ever seen in my life. Thanks!
Gotham Rogues no dude thank you. Your channel is amazing. Youve inspired me i picked superman run since 87 and ive been educating myself (so much crossovers!!!). Those classic comics are masterful im becoming a true dc fan thanks to you.
I had that.Bat Hulk comic book when
I was a.kid.
This is a fantastically done video. Looking forward to seeing more.
Thnx for the video Mr. Rogues. All of your Arkham Asylum stuff is SUPER!
Already love this series, I obviously know a lot about batman's big villains but these would be great to watch anyway and it's a way we get to hear your opinions of villain in terms of appearances in various forms of media.
I'm glad that riddler is one of the top tier bat villains now and as for my favorite version of nygma it has to be the arkham games and btas.
Riddle me this who has the villians you want from DC and has the love for bats Gotham rogues
Mr. Rogues.
@@somerandomarmydude this was before he changed it to mr.rogues
Absolutely LOVED this video. I'm excited for this series and all future videos. Great editing btw. Always great ol rogues!
Thank you very much!
What better way to kick off the new year than with an entirely new series. I have to say my personal favorite version of the Riddler is the TAS version as that was my introduction to the character and set the standard for all my subsequent versions thereafter.
Great Idea here and I cannot wait to see more.
Spencer Malley Agreed. Though I prefer the origin of “The Batman” version of The Riddler. That episode is genuinely depressing.
What a great idea for a series, really excited for the next episode⏳
I hope you release another one of these soon. This episode was great!
This was awesome and yeah this series is great, i'm a long time comic reader and this video was still interesting and entertaining. Keep up the great work
Your videos are the best! Love to see more
Love the new series dude!
I love your channel. Thank you
This is an awesome start to this series! I'd love to see you do one of these for Scarecrow!
As Danny Buckle said earlier, we have had videos like this before on other channels, but not nearly as in-depth, at least to my knowledge...at least, not for the villains. I can see why this video took you so long to make, and it's clear you put a lot of effort and research into this. I like how you tried to take a look at not only the character's history in the comics, pointing out a few key storylines along the way, but also looked at some of the versions in other media briefly. Given how much this took, I'm not sure what plans you have for future episodes of the series, but I'm curious to see more.
As far as my favorite version of the Riddler: in the comics, that's really, REALLY tough to say, because the comics are ever-changing. But in terms of other media: without a shadow of a doubt, it's Frank Gorshin. As I've said before, I feel the Riddler essentially has two sides to his personality: the calculating criminal mastermind, and the wily and whimsical trickster. Some versions focus on one side more than the other (Jim Carrey vs. the Arkham version), but Gorshin felt like a perfect blend of both. He had his infamously manic and wild moments, but there were also moments where he could be incredibly cold and seriously sinister. As a result, he remains my definitive Riddler.
Indeed, it was quite daunting work.. I wont be able to do these too often, BUT, I will atleast do Scarecrow and Two-Face as well. Probably Penguin also. I want to do Joker, but considering his countless number of appearances that would be like trying to climb Mount Everest.. Not sure I'm up for that, for my own sanity's sake.
I think you've got a good point there about Frank's version, and it's probably why I like it so much too. I'm still not entirely sure if I could truly call it my favorite Riddler though.. Actually not sure which one it would be..
You have to do scarecrow
Joe Chill agreed, it would be interesting to put Scarecrow in retrospect seeing as he’s a character everyone knows, and is almost changed every time someone uses him
Yes
Yes
I'm already planning to do Scarecrow next ;)
I would like to see another one of these, revolving around the Penguin. Though I would be happy if you did another one of these in general, your presentation is interesting and unique. I hope to see more of these videos (and more videos in general) in the future.
I'll do Pengy eventually too :)
wow this was so damn great, thank you so much
The two different versions of the Riddler remind me of two different teaching styles. Ones is zany goofball trying to relate to their students and the other the straight and narrow it doesn't care if you can't relate to the material.
I am your biggest fan,Mr. Gotham Rogues! I love your complete history of! The Riddler,The Scarecrow,Two-face, and The Penguin ones are so perfect
"When does ten added to ten equal ten?"
When you write it in binary code! Ten = 1010
I like Jim Curry's The Riddler and Cory Michael Smith's The Riddler and Lego Batman movie The Riddler. I love how the two actors play them and the person who played The Riddler in one of the Lego Batman movies.
You sir have earned a new subscriber today thanks to this excellent video ! And btw I love the stuff on your channel ! Keep up the good work !
You made me realized how much the Riddler was underrated for several decades, such a shame for this great villain imo. Now I understand better why was he portrayed the way he was in the Secret Origins Special ; it get over my head at the time...
Since you are so dedicated to bat villains my advice for you is to read the collections of short stories published in the 90s called The further adventures of the Joker and the further adventures of Batman : featuring Catwoman/the Penguin. You can find them almost for nothing and some stories are worth checking out. It's no comic book but, just like movies and animated series, it's an other take on the characters, with each story having it's own atmosphere. Some would make great BTAS episodes ! Unfortunately not all villains were featured into these stories but I definitely recommend them to you !
Welcome back Rogues. This new series sounds Great, and should definitely continue. It is fitting that you start with the Riddler, since your first ever video focused on the 5 best Riddler stories from the comics.
Can you please do Penguin next?
Thanks! Well I've unfortunately already decided on Scarecrow next, followed by Two-Face. But after that I'll also do Pengers. Not sure what'll happen after that, but I will atleast do those three.
I really love the video don't stop make more videos like these with villains due two face next please
I'm pleased to hear that! :) Actually I've already decided on Scarecrow next, but Harvey will be the one after that ;)
Firstly, let me tell you that I already LOVE this series, it clearly shows your esteem for each rogue, also I have to say this is a magnific video, as always.
Personally I believe my favorite incarnation of The Riddler, besides the comics, must be the one from the Arkham series or from the DCAU.
As for my favorite Riddler comic it might be Questions multiply the mistery, or Dark knight, Dark city.
Lastly I wanna leave an enigma, it's a modification of a riddle I read in a comic.
When is a scream silent and forever?
Awesome video man. Sleep can wait. LOL.
The Riddler would have to be my most favorite Batman villain of all time because of his obsession with puzzles and riddles, which I also happen to have a thing for, and I've always liked his green (and sometimes purple) outfits adorn with question marks that he always sports as well. :D
this series you've created is fantastic and I look forward to see it's videos for the future, could you please do a video of the great white shark in the forgotten bat rogues segment please keep up the good work
Thank you very much! I might cover Great White in either forgotten or underrated.. Honestly I'm not entirely sure which he is.. Kinda leaning a bit more towards underrated.
And by the way, that creepy ass music you use is awesome and fits perfectly with the videos
Thanks to you, Rogues, I’ve began working on my own “Complete History Of” videos, I have no idea how I’m going to do it, but I’m beginning with poison ivy, my favourite bat rogue, thanks to you, Rogues! You’ve inspired me so much!
That's awesome to hear! And it's good someone else is picking up the slack with these history videos ;) I'm looking forward to seeing it!
Thanks for this, Eddie's my top bat rogue. Thanks!
I remember liking the Riddler's version of TAS, actually it was one of my favorites there. I'm not well versed in the comics after the early 90s, I thought the Riddler was basically a joke... until I saw the Gotham version - brilliant!
Great video
great video my friend, congratulations!
Thanks!
Sorry of bad english and little vague language. I really like this idea Mr. Rogues. It helps to understand the evolution of rogues. Like how they were percieved during the times and what they did in order to preserve. Also this is very good at covering some overlooked little facts, which really help to fill some blanks.
I think this format best suits rogues that are "seen rather black and white" (Riddler, Penguin, Bane), the ones who change a lot during the years (The Joker) and long-time rogues that remain secretive despite their significance (Hugo Strange.)
Looking forward to the new series Rogues,u do great work
The Original Batman TV series & the Batman anime series helped save the Riddler from becoming truly forgotten
Phenomenal video Rogues! I never knew the Riddler went through such a roller coaster throughout his existence! It makes me think that if the Riddler can make such a comeback then I think any of Batman's second-rate Rogues like Killer Moth or Cat-Man can make it big if they can JUST get a good writer and a new, fresh introduction!
Thanks Susana! Indeed, and that is often the logic behind my reasoning for many of these forgotten or underrated rogues: "Riddler did it."
great video, the Riddler is my favourite Rogue of all time! as someone who started getting into the comics recently (Gotham made him fall in love with the Batman Universe), this was an incredibly interesting video :D
and I agree on your arguement about him not bein prominent/interesting enough in the movies. back when WB announced Gotham City Sirens, I was hoping that Ed would appear as a supporting character (because I'd love to see more of the reformed Riddler), but it looks like they scrapped that idea...one can only hope that he'll have an interesting role in the DCEU (or the animated movies!) in the future.
alius-alia tell me why is riddler your favorite
Joe Chill I love how he's a villain that battles others through his intelligence and not physical strength. also, he's an incredibly arrogant person who's repressing his inner need of love and attention, that can create quite emotional moments when his fears and weaknesses are revealed.
Severus Snape yes, great reply! my favourite comic version of the Riddler so far is the reformed Riddler - but to be fair, I haven't read a lot of the comics. Gotham is my fave version of the character (bc that's how I got introduced to him and started liking him) but The Animated Series and the Arkham games are also up there! he also seems interesting in the 60s show, saw a few eps of that one.
Severus Snape I've read a few of these but not that many actually!! thank you so much 💚
Severus Snape Joker's Asylum, Hush and The Riddle Factory :) I also read the "Batman Arkham: The Riddler" anthology which features several issues across the the decades. right now, I'm reading Gotham City Sires and Gotham Underground.
I love histories of these classic villains. Riddlers in my top 5 bat rogues, although I imagine writing for him is a nightmare (thank goodness for Paul dini)
All for the new series. Also I'm partial to TAS riddler, seconded by jokes and riddles riddler, and soft spot for the extremeness of the 60s tv riddler
I think my aunt Audrey dated him before
Just when I was playing Arkham knight
Fire Bucket oh my god same!!!
Same
Amazing, comprehensive work! No wonder this one took so long to make, with how much you like Eddie this was definitely a labor of love. I chuckled at the inclusion of the Question story with him, that cover never fails to crack me up. And even the story is as fucked up and gritty as the comic is. Hah.
Also, it might be noteworthy than Riddler also appeared in the recently released Batman BatB movie and... well, have you seen that one?
Well done. Very well.
Thanks!
This video came out a few years ago. But now the Riddler will return as a main antagonist in the Matt Reeves and Robert Pattison film The Batman, and by the look of the trailer this seem to be one of the darkest and scariest takes on the character. I am really looking forward to what they do with him. Penguin also looks amazing !!
I agree
Frank Gorshin FTW! His mood-swinging madman was creepy as heck.
Couldn't agree more.
Amazing video. My favorite Riddler is Frank Gorshin.
Can we just agree on something...
That Cory Michael Smith is the best Riddler at the moment
A fantastic in depth study of the riddler and his history. Rouges u have outdone urself. Please do the joker next
Thank you! Sorry Joker wont be next, not even sure if I'll ever do him. The thing is, both him and Catwoman have made soooo many appearances, that covering them will be incredibly daunting.. Not sure if I'm up for it. I will definitely do Crane, Dent and Pengy though, maybe Pam, Croc and Freeze as well.
The Riddler came back in full force in The Batman. Glad to have Eddy back in the spotlight
Fantastic! Please do one for the Scarecrow
Mikael Jansson he's gonna be next
Luckily for you he's next ;D
I love the incarnations of riddler where he wears a suit, I'm just so used to it that whenever I see him in the jumpsuit it just feels... weird.
Love the new series! Hope you can at least do the "Big Five." You got Riddler, but would also be great to see the Complete History of Penguin, Catwoman, Two-Face, and Joker.
I will definitely do Harv and Pengers, along with Crane, and probably also Ivy, Freeze and Jervis. Maybe Crockers and the Clayfaces as well. Maybe. But I'm actually not sure about Joker and Selina; I WANT to do them, but they've made sooooo many appearances throughout the decades that it would seem like a really daunting task..
I absolutely love the riddler! Honestly I’m surprised he wasn’t utilized more in the golden Age 🤔 I mean those two first appearances were great stories! Riddler really makes you as the reader invested in figuring out his puzzles just as Batman is doing the same ! He’s really great for engaging the reader
Can't wait for Scarecrow!! And Two-Face and Penguin !!
Enjoyed this and I'm fairly well up on the comics book histories of the Batvillains. Looking forward to getting to Catwoman.
I actually found Jim Carrey's portrayal of the Riddler rather interesting. He was an interesting combination of obsessiveness, intelligence, insanity, and even a little humor thrown in for good measure. I definitely wouldn't say he's my favorite depiction.
I can't exactly narrow down a particular depiction as of yet. But I definitely prefer the more suave and sophisticated Riddler to the can't be cartoony version.
IKR
I think you underestimate the impact Frank Gorshin's performance had on the Riddler, who pretty much rewrote the character to his vision, even redesigning his costume from the classic tights to the Gorshin preferred suit and bowler. The Riddler is also the first villain of the Silver Age, which would keep himn in memory even if he never emerged from his early banishment and malaise.
9:20 I honestly thought those were fake/made without permission. I'd have to say my favorite version is from Batman the Animated Series, I think that's the one that introduced me to the character, and the goofy Riddler from Batman 66 is fun to. I do like the idea of this series, and I hope you do more. Good video Mr. Rogues.
The Riddler pumped up with venom was interesting haha
I like this series.
You said it: "...Gorshin's scene-stealing performance. In the role Gorshin would make sudden switches between a cackling maniacal goofball and a stone-cold, dead-serious psycho" (5:00-5:09).
That's why he's the best version of the riddler.
My favorite batman villain of all time, can’t wait to see him in The Batman 2022
Fun fact, Frank Gorshin was the one who came up with the Riddler’s suit and hat look because he felt discomfort while in the classic comic Riddler’s costume.
I need the image of the riddler from this video, it's too cool
Hey G-Rogues! Love yer stuff. Can't help but notice though you left out the story arc Riddle Me That where they originally retconned part of Eddie's origin. I know some people didn't like the redesign but i kinda wish the idea had stuck at least. (Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight 185-189)
How about doing "The Master of Fowl Play" The Complete History of the Penguin. You should do him next. I love to see that video.
Awesome, probably my favorite Riddler outfit is the BTAS one. Will you be continuing these videos as a series?
Yes indeed!
My favorite Riddler costume is the one from the "Arkham" games
One small thing you missed about the Riddler's return. My memory is the first view of Nygma is of him leaving prison. Taken literally, he had served a sixteen year sentence!
Really enjoyed the video. Just wondering, will this series also feature villains from other characters' rogues galleries?
Thanks! Maybe.
Okay, from this video I've realised we need a new Ben Affleck batman trilogy about these villains once humiliated by past interpretations of th characters. Forget deathstroke, a need The Riddler, Mr Freeze and poison ivy in their own respectable movies, they can't be secondary appearances or side villains, MAJOR characters! Do it dc! DO IT!
Yeah I never was very keen on a Batman movie with Deathstroke anyway. I mean sure, he can be IN it, but not as the main villain. He's not even really a Batman villain, but a Teen Titans villain if anything.
That said, I don't mind if they recast Affleck. I'd actually prefer if they made a Bat-trilogy that's almost separate from the DCEU. They can mention the Daily Planet or Central City or something, but that should be about it.
Gotham Rogues I agree, I heard a rumour of different people such as Jake Gyllenhaal from nightcrawler being cast, maybe he could work but I would prefer someone like Michael fassbender (?) Or Tom hardy (?) Or even Chris Pratt as batman if they recast him. I actually recommend they make a batman beyond movie, because that way they can cast a real life Kevin Conroy as an old Bruce Wayne, true he's only like 55 or something but he looks the part and the villains of batman beyond deserve to be spoke about more than they are. Thoughts on recasting? Will you talk about batman beyond villains at some point?
Honestly I don't really know who I'd like to play Batman, or any of the villains for that matter.. I've had some ideal choices in the past, but they're all either too old (Willem Dafoe as Joker), or even dead (Bob Hoskins as Penguin). Alec Baldwin and Karl Urban could've been great Batmen, but they're too old now. Waaaay too old in the case of Baldwin.. Sure they could perhaps play and older Batman, but what I think we need now is a younger bats, after Batfleck and old-man Bale in TDKR. I'd say a guy in his late 20s, early 30s. Maybe a relative unknown, as in the casting of Bale, and Reeves as Superman. Someone who hasn't done a big blockbuster yet.
As for a Beyond movie, sure that could be interesting, but I want proper Batman movies as well. They could make them both I guess, without interfering with each other.
I will probably do a video on the Beyond rogues. I was thinking of a 'top 5 best beyond villains' video.
@@mr.rogues4145 I don't know, Deathstroke as a villain in a Batman movie, that I'd see since Deathstroke lost an eye to Batman during the events of "Year One", but of course I'm all for a Batman movie, most likely one that would have Dick Grayson in it as the first Robin, I'd even feature Bane in it with Kane playing him, it'll even include a post credit scene where Damien Dahrk and Tony Zuccho's son steal the Red X costume, something that would lead to the Teen Titans' big due in the DCEU, featuring Danielle Panabaker as Poison Ivy in the movie's prologue, there will even be other villains that would deserve their due
I got a canvas for christmas of that first rogues gallery Detective Comics cover you showed.
And I have a poster of it ;) Wish they'd make more posters of rogue-centric bat covers.
The canvas I got was in a set of three with the cover of Batman issue 1 and 251 which is a nice Joker cover. Most posters and canvases tend to seem to just be Batman focused though.
Yeah I have 251 as a poster too. A bronze age or silver age Eddie centric poster would've been nice. Maybe Batman 292.
I'd like Batman 179 as a canvas. It reminds me of a Joker image from a fact file a few years ago.
I love the riddler I see Riddler as a top tier batman villain that on occasion fits as a b string villain of given the right story, and others as the main mastermind. Batman has sooooo many good villains its hard to stay on top forever unless your joker. Even Twoface who is my favorite is rn not where I think he should be ranked. He hasn't had even the love Riddler had lately.
Great new series, although the part with the 60's Batman TV series has made me realize something that I don't think anyone has brought up before.
Given that he was the first villain used in the show, and that he had the most appearances of the villains in the first season, 8 in total, Riddler's technically the main antagonist of Season One. While Pengiun, Joker and Catwoman had more appearances than him overall, his more prominent stance in the beginning of the show made him Batman's primary arch for that season.
Same could be said for the Penguin, and to a lesser extent the Joker. Penguin would the main antagonist of not just Season 2, being the most recurring villain of the season, and one of the two main antagonists of Season 3, tied with Joker for the most episodes, five each, but also the series as a whole since he had the highest number of Bat Rogue appearances, 20 altogether, and served as Batgirl's archenemy in Season 3.
While the Joker is Batman's archenemy and had the second most appearances of the villains, 19 in total, his actual title of archenemy is dwarfed because of how every villain is treated as arch-foes in that series.
What do you think?
I agree. Batman didn't really have one arch nemesis in the 60s show, they were all equally big (well atleast the main four). That's another aspect of the show that's so great.
@@mr.rogues4145 especially considering my aunt Audrey dated one of them
I LOVE the Riddler from the Arkham Games! HE is my favorite!
Same here
Years later thanks to Matt Reeves. The Riddler is getting he's own spot light on the big screen! The Batman 2022
How the Prince of Puzzlers is portrayed in the upcoming two-part Long Halloween adaptation remains to be seen.
New series !!!!!!!
If I remember correctly, Frank Gorshin himself developed the Suit Riddler is now more famous for. Just a fun fact.
Dark Knight, Dark City is the story that made me such a fan that I consider him my favorite bat rogue. I still think that and Riddlers Reform are his best stories. Do you have any idea when his suit costume was first used in the comics? I know it first appeared in media in the 60s tv series (I think Gorshin came up with the design) but I'm not sure when it was first adapted to comics.
I'm pretty certain the suit first showed up in the comics in Batman #362 from 1983, although only very briefly. He wears a green pinstriped suit and bowler hat in a couple of panels, only yo quickly discard it and reveal the standard spandex outfit underneath. The next time he wore a suit was in the 1989 Secret Origins Special, and I guess that can be counted as the first "real" appearance of the suit in the comics.
Riddler's gonna be in the 2021 Batman movie with Robert Pattinson portraying Batman. My favorite versions of Riddler are Gotham, Arkham verse, and Batman: Hush comic.
Well my all time favorite Riddler has to be from Gotham. Although Jim Carrey's Riddler is what made me a fan when I was a kid. There is no bad Riddler since any Riddler appearance is welcomed by me. I also have the Riddler tatted on my arm. He's my favorite villain and possibly a minor obsession lol
Good video (I’m not just saying that because I like Riddler)
I'm not gonna lie, I love the 1990 and up Riddler. Besides two face Jim Carry did do a huge favor for Riddler.