Air Transat 211: Chaos In The Cockpit!
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Pilots assume that the training they receive in their simulators will properly prepare them for the way their real aircraft will behave, but what happens if that's NOT the case?!
In this video we will follow what happened to the pilots, passengers and crew of Air Transat flight 211 and its a harrowing story, Stay tuned!
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· Aviation Investigation Report A08Q0051 - Transportation Safety Board of Canada
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· Airbus A310 - Wikipedia
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· Pratt and Whitney JT9D
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· General Electric CF6
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· A310 Flight Crew Operations Manual Vol. 1 Rev. 40
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· Failure to detect critical auditory alerts in the cockpit: Evidence for unintentional deafness
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· China Airlines Flight 140 Accident Report
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· Interflug Airbus A.310 D-AOAC Incident
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· Air Transat Flight 211 ATC Recording
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Both of those aircrew will never forget that incident. Under the circumstances, they were very fortunate to be able to keep the aircraft flying.
My barber was like, "Do you need a haircut?"
I said, "No only a trim!:
@@RWBHere😊😊
If AI which is non-human was involved, wouldn't all these issues have popped up as an issue for the pilots? You know these days SpaceX has full control with AI computers and the pilots can take over if something is wrong and take over.. I get that computers don't know everything if everything inputed does make sense like sensors but that should these days be easer, where's the Gyroscope? Wouldn't that make everything better?
Your RVR values are wrong. Cpt are authorized to 600 rvr (feets not meters) and FO 1200 rvr. In Canada and USA rvr are reported usually in feets.
Hearing "the captain later stated" when I'm fully assuming a crash is the best feeling!
Yes. It was at that point I realised that, despite appearances, there was at least one survivor. :)
I was also very glad to hear that remark from Petter
However, he purposely delayed it for drama.
Me to
I'm always trying to figure out how badly these ended - here when the names of the pilots were unknown I assumed that the result was not a major news event.
The thing that astonished me the most was that the tower controller had no idea what a “pan pan” call was. how is that possible?
i was looking for this comment
Should be a basic thing in training for controllers since basically Forever. Very weird. Was their basic training in French without acknowledgement of usual emergency calls in international air traffic?
Even that would assume Quebec doesn't use pan pan at all in general aviation.
Because Americans. If you watch a lot of these incident videos they also insist on having a chat about an emergency, rather than use MAYDAY like anyone else would!
@@rmck6830 That's wouldn't even really be a justification even for a French speaker, since "MAYDAY" was originally derived from "m'aider" 😁
TC AIM SAR 4.1 and 4.2 clearly states when to use a PAN PAN call, so I find it interesting that TWR controller would not know about it.
My relief when I heard, "the captain later said..." was immeasurable.😥
Flew this aircraft for 8 years. It’s has VERY Powerful CF5 engines and I learned very quickly that TOGA power combined with a very light aircraft is actually a very dangerous situation. The pitch up is very strong. A low level off after departure combined with a TOGA thrust demanded power reduction right after T/O otherwise you’re going to bust your altitude or over speed.Even in the sim, the stick forces were high necessitating nose down trim. Great video. Thank you
100% 🎯
“Which is worth keeping in mind”. And now I’m really paying attention
😂😂
TOP content Petter well done. @@MentourPilot
But that's about to change😂
honestly, I can't understand how more airplane accidents due to human error DON't Happen!
@@MentourPilot "the captain later stated..." you know how much we like to hear that 😂😂😂 it came quite late here, I guess it adds to the thrill. Much love from Romania ❤!
MP should sell t-shirts that say "The situation was now about to become even worse ....."
oh i'd love one to wear at work
I want one saying “Window of Circadian Low”
Mousepad. I need this.
@@unicorn-in-the-library1508 makes me wonder what type of work you do. I could never wear this at my job (healthcare).
@@rvdb7363 That would be genuinely hilarious.
It always amazes me when Petter says "and the rest of the flight was completely normal", it always amazes me how they pilots just continue to function after facing an at the time inexplicable near catastrophe, without losing faith in their skills or their plane
The rest of the flight was normal but each crew member took turns to head to the back and change their pants
There's not much in the way of alternatives.
What I really love about Mentour Pilot -- besides the incredibly in-depth research, the animation, the structure, and all the elaboration about aviation and plane mechanics -- is the degree of respect and tact he approaches everyone involved in his videos with. He never goes, "And then this guy made a dumb move because he's stupid." He always extends the utmost empathy and understanding to everyone in his videos. Love this guy. Keep up the good work.
Yes, because he is first and foremost teaching in these videos. It serves no one to assign blame or to pronounce judgements. He always says, “But that didn’t happen.” After thirty years of teaching I can’t tell you how detrimental it is to inject negative emotions and judgements into a learning situation. It’s a real distraction to the learning process.
@@mapleext In such a mission critical sector being over critical and bitchy to fellow pilots while trying to train them is counterproductive. If you lose the trust of your employees in any situation they will start to minimise the occurrance of minor accidents and cover up mistakes and departures from correct procedures. This will eventually lead to a fatal accident.
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Thank you so much for that lovely comment, it makes me super happy to hear that you see it this way. 💕
💯... couldn't have put it better myself, respect to you sir.
Spot on!
I agree
Fully agree with your comment ❤❤❤
How embarrassing it must have been for this crew to learn that the entire incident was pilot induced. You fly for decades, amass thousands of hours, become an airline instructor, and still put yourself in a situation where you forget the basics of aviation. Just goes to show that complacency is a killer. Anyway.....superior product as usual Petter.
I was just thinking about how you can climb the ladder to become a Captain, only to have a new aircraft come out that requires you to get certified and start accumulating hours on that specific model. If flying isn’t your passion and you're not intrinsically motivated by it, and it’s just a "job" to you, this process could make your career quite challenging.
This is an S show. Unbelievable on both pilots part.
To be honest, the events started sounding like comedy once the copilot's headset got unplugged
Also seems a possibility that one of the pilots was trying to suicide.
Where does Petter come from? Is he swedish?
As a pilot and a former simulator engineer I can tell you that inaccurate simulator performance should come as no surprise. You point out the inaccurate control force reproduction. This, undoubtedly was a contributing factor to this incident. However another, very significant, contributing factor is the inaccurate reproduction of unreliable airspeed malfunctions most simulators exhibit. Most simulators will simply display an erroneous airspeed, without reproducing the real symptoms of a blocked, or distorted pitot tube or static port. In this incident, the pilots had a false understanding of the nature of the malfunction (gained from the simulator) which led to a false understanding of their instrument indications. They thus reacted according to their negative training leading to the incident.
Perhaps a voice saying, "Tabernak!" when the pilot responds incorrectly in the simulator?
Don't you think that leaving the thrust levers at 100% was a pilot error outside of any simulator training?
Seriously? Aren't the simulators themselves roughly million-dollar-class pieces of equipment? How in the world does nobody bother to program in realistic consequences and _causes_ of a failure state?
Do the airlines build/commission and set up their simulators themselves? If so, maybe it's time to have the _manufacturer_ do that, or at least certify that it's been done correctly, and that the simulator is _actually_ representing the correct aircraft and engine setup, etc?
Assuming the software is parameterized, wouldn't changing engine configuration just be a matter of changing some settings, or uploading a new engine config via an API? Or is it totally bespoke, and so (worryingly) non-trivial to make changes like that?
@@peterferrydriver I mean, _I_ would sure think so. But then, I've never been trained to rely on auto-throttle even when not using auto-pilot. To me, as a GA pilot, if I'm hand-flying the plane, I'm hand-flying _the entire plane,_ throttle, rudder, trim, the whole shebang. The idea of "hand-flying, except for yaw damper, auto turn coordinator, auto-throttle, and a video-game-like flight director to chase, and oh, if I want full engine thrust, pushing a button instead of shoving the gigantic thrust levers forward myself" is just ludicrous to me.
Isn't the entire idea of training to make sure that when the ish hits the fan, the instincts you fall back on are the actual fundamentals? I don't want my pilot's first instinct to be, "Am I chasing the flight director good enough and has the pilot monitoring told me what to do recently?" I want their instinct to be "Something's wrong, so level off, scan my instruments, adjust my throttle, trim out the aircraft, and then we can figure it out from there."
There's something eerily wrong with how we're training commercial pilots, IMO. The automation should be a nice thing to have, but something you engage when everything is calm and normal. Instead, it feels like we're teaching people to rely on the automation almost completely, to the point that when task saturation (a.k.a. panic in the vernacular) sets in, the instinct isn't to stabilize the plane, it's to tunnel-vision on the automation.
@barefootalien Agree 100%. The old saw "aviate, navigate, communicate" is the bottom line. Aviate includes being able to fly the plane without relying on the autopilot. The main reason that the commercial airlines rely on nearly complete automation is to reduce costs. Forgetting gear up, throttle reduced to cruise, flap settings sounds like a lack of aviation by an experienced pilot/ instructor. The passengers have the right to expect complete confidence in the crew's performance.
I fly my plane a lot in Quebec... Tabarnak! is not something I want to hear or have to say on the radio. That would get my attention much faster than a Mayday or a Pan Pan Pan.
There’s Pan Pan, Mayday, then Tabernak, in that order
@@jaysmith1408 100%. I think "Tabarnak" followed by "osti kossé qui s’passe!" stands as the pinnacle of emergency calls, though. :|
The subtitles really under-emphasized the true colors of those curses.
I have about 15 mins of simulator time. In the late 90s the Air Force introduced a program where new troops get to spend a few days checking out what people of different ranks and careers do so they could get a bigger picture of what we as a service did and how everyone contributed to the mission.
Because if this I got to fly.... and crash a b1b on a multi million dollar simulator. Best video game ever.
I still have fond memories of D.M.’s A-10 simulator, afterwards I was sweaty in places I never could.
I assume they noted it and never offered you a pilot role? 😅
Sounds like crazy fun. Did you and others find the program helpful with respected to its intended purpose? Did it help people around you appreciate each other more? Just curious
I was an Aircraft Control and Warning Systems Specialist (Tactical Aircraft Control) it was “meet and greet” for “voices over comms” mutually beneficial for all it appeared.
(bro we're dealing with an international audience here, dont reinforce stereotypes about american defaultism not specifying "US Air Force!" 😅)
“Didn’t know what a Pan Pan call was”
I can feel the frustration all the way in Scotland
Is it foggy and rainy today?
@@senorpepper3405 It's sunny and warm here in England - pretty sure it is for those North of the border also.
@tisme1105 here in the American Midwest we're looking at 35c(95f). I'll trade ya.
@@senorpepper3405 nah you're good. Thanks :)
My nose trimmed up hearing that :O
This whole case was just a horrible case of "but wait, there's more."
Contributing factors:
● Inadequate preparation for
a high-performance take-off.
● Late rotation.
● Inappropriate use of pitch trim.
● Lack of communication and
● Crew Resource Management.
● Loss of situational awareness.
● Inadequate response to emergency
A passenger gets the impression (these) pilots fly by their ear, react to events (if and when these are perceived) rather than execute a known & verified procedure?
My dad is Quebecois and that TABARNAK at the beginning recorder hit so hard calice
Yup, I live in Montréal, clicked on the video and had whiplash upon hearing Tabarnak!
@@rmck6830 "my father is from new York" "your father Is american, stop pretending you're anything other than that". See? You sound silly
@@Cekkaaaaaaaa Yup. Silly indeed. The original sentence wouldn't have made sense. "My dad is Canadian and that TABARNAK ..." What? Friggin' identity politics snowflakes that can't stand letting other people determine their own identities. Hint: Their identity is not about you. And more widely, almost everything is not about you.
@@rmck6830 Calm down, you know that you can be Quebecois and Canadian at the same time right? Or do you also get mad at people who call themselves Californian/Bavarian/Neapolitan/Geordie/etc etc...
@@rmck6830Do you think the average person from Vancouver or Calgary or Winnipeg has a visceral response to "tabarnak"?
Those pilots were both about 10 miles behind the airplane. While the trim issue was a significant factor, they were so far behind the airplane that it was clear they had joined the ranks of the passengers even before they tried to level off and they got themselves into coffin corner where they couldn't get out. They were very lucky.
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"Things are about to get worse" makes me go tense all the time.
Totally wasn’t expecting the ending of “They cancelled their pan pan call, headed to their destination and landed safely without any injuries.”
Love a happy, anticlimactic ending
Even better, the airframe didn't suffer damage from the overspeed.
I'm amazed after such a severe upset and overspeed of the plane that they had enough confidence to finish the flight instead of returning immediately to have the plane checked out, let alone find a change of pants
@@chrisd1746 It's only ~140 miles from YQB to YUL. By the time they got things stabilized and sorted out and got into decision making mode they'd probably be much of the way there anyway. YUL is a much larger airport and would also be better equipped to deal with any additional issues.
Yup. At the outset, I was sure everyone was dead.
@@ImAlwaysHere1 I keyed onto the way he was describing events. Mentour described events very.... personally as if talking from the PoV of someone sitting in the pilot seat. Not from the PoV of someone reading an accident investigation summary.
Any time he talks about how the pilots felt or whatever... that's a tell.
Also he loves finding "teaching moments" IE times something went wrong... where he can explain how to make it go right.
I love when you cover an incident/accident I haven't heard of before!
You're an incident/accident I hadn't heard of before :)
Great stuff!
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Every time I think your animation ain't getting any better. It just gets better somehow. Keep up the good work.
heavy breathing and the look like they were about to vomit was quite fitting
@@damienjeremyweir4543 yep😅
I was looking at the animation thinking "Mentour's got that wrong, surely the gear should be up by now..."
the animated pilots look like they're going to faint any second
I think the animation for that specific video should look like the Quebecois animations "Têtes à claques + pilotes d'avion".
This flight is one hole away from the perfect Cheese Hole disaster
If not for the Instructor bumping that trim up, we would be looking at another tragedy.
*It is, indeed, scary to think about*
What's really scary is that he didn't do it on purpose!
Also that an instructor would allow using the wrong takeoff calculations, fail to do or insist on appropriate briefings, etc. It makes me wonder about the performance/safety culture in that airline at the time, and how that might have contributed as well.
@@jmiheve This is unfortunately true in many fields, which is also why social engineering attacks are so effective. You get complacent in your job, having done it too many times to count and it doesn't register strongly enough any more exactly how important procedures are. We also see this all the time with people who speed in their vehicles in bad weather. They get used to going fast and forget that they are driving a 2-ton piece of metal that is at any time a few seconds away from crashing due to the conditions.
I can't believe how many controls were accidentally bumped during this flight. Did the captain have very fat fingers? How was he able to complete the rest of the flight without accidentally bumping another control?
They went directly into airshow mode.
😂
“Tabarnak!! Osti kossé qui s’passe!!!”. That’s the most Québec opening ever 😂. And good timing for the vidéo as well, bonne Fête Nationale!!
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Excellent timing en effet 🤣
Excellente temporalité
RUclips offers to translate this to English! It says “Tabarnak!! Osti kossé what’s happening!!!” I hope everyone finds that helpful ;).
Yesss how ''a propos''indeed!
As a French Quebecker, I appreciate the 'holy %%%%" translation of "Tabarnake". Although it's not exactly that it's close enough to the idea behind it. We use a lot of religious words in our cultural slang. And when he says "Estie qu'est-ce qui ce passe?" it could have been translated to "What the F#@$ is happening!?"
that's how you can recognize a french-canadian from French, by the use of religious cuss words.
When i was growing up in Montreal we used to joke that to swear in French you just had to string together any two religious terms!
@@57dent french-canadian cuss words are not as simple as people think. There is even in Quebec a competition for coming up with the best new cuss words. Lookup online this: " french-canadian profanity "
@@57dent cilice tabernac!
Made me giggle a little, it’s just so french canadian. I’m glad everything ended up fine so i can laugh at the audio without feeling too bad 😂
Regarding inattentional deafness, there is a reasonably well-documented case of that for a racing driver and his mechanic/co-driver (who rode in the passenger seat at that time), I believe it was in the Mille Miglia race across Italy. In that situation, the driver lost the ability to hear his co-driver telling him directions (literally the driving directions, of which road to take at intersections and preparations for unseen corners), and so the co-driver started using hand signals.
They got that to work, and did much of the race like that. And I believe the team won the race, by a considerable margin.
This is particularly interesting because the deafness wasn't a disaster. Instead, they utilized it and adapted their coordination process to include it.
I can't find details on the specific year of the race or the driver involved; but I believe it was discussed in an episode of Top Gear years ago.
The volume of the car probably played a part in their issues, and wind noise, if it was open top like many race cars of that era. It’s no wonder the driver hyper focussed, that race in it’s original form was no joke, basically like doing an hours long tarmac rally stage with few breaks.
Just the fact that a flight with an instructor onboard misinterpreting the rules for runway visuals and then allowing a false take off speed calculation is outrageous, I will never understand people's willingness to risk their own lives (and others) from sheer impatience or laziness. This kind of behaviour in an instructor of all people is disturbing.
I too felt like there was a lot of corner cutting going on with these two and that is a death knell. I hope I never fly with pilots who do that. Procedures exist for a reason.
Best aviation channel on RUclips
Thank you! 💕💕
Agreed!
Absolutely!!
I have experienced this kind of being overwhelmed by information overflow while handling an engineering casualty aboard a Navy destroyer. I found that, if you can recognize it is happening, it helps to stop, take a deep breath, and revert to first principles. The deep breath is important. I have been told by a doctor that the deep breath helps to reset your brain chemistry. At that point, you can think clearly enough to start evaluating the situation. It helps if you have a mental checklist to quickly check critical controls such as (in this case), gear, throttle, slats and flaps, engine speed and thrust, trim. Make sure all your settings are correct and then start looking for out of range parameters. To start forming a theory of what is wrong. Unfortunately, this takes time, which these pilots didn’t have.
Absolutely! Great points
I’m a doctor and can confirm. Your sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems are both always active to some degree. Taking deep breaths turns the volume up on your parasympathetic and down on your sympathetic nervous systems, which helps turn down the flight or fight. It also gets more oxygen to your brain.
There’s a book a lot of people in medicine reference called The House of God. I personally don’t like it because it’s insanely sexist (it’s supposed to be satire, but it’s a little too much for me), but it has a list of rules that are hilarious. Some of them are very helpful, including rule 3: at a cardiac arrest, the first procedure is to take your own pulse. It reminds us to take some deep breaths, calm down, and then address the situation.
Hard to port!
Take in the breath, hold it for a five count, then slowly exhale. Repeat until calm is restored
The amount and quality of training is so important in this aspect. I found, during both my army and, latterly, police service, that when I got into one of those critical situations, training took over and I just almost automatically kicked into "mental/muscle memory mode" without even consciously realising it. If you haven't received enough quality training, there is nothing to fall back on in such critical situations and that's when it really starts to go downhill fast!
I'm about to take my first plane ride in 2 weeks at age 61. I'm beyond nervous, but have been watching Peter for about a year now, figuring I'd have to fly as my family now lives across the country. This episode highlights my fear about the mental state of pilots under mental and physical pressure. It's really miraculous that air travel is as safe as it is, and to think that some airlines have discussed having only 1 pilot in the cockpit! 😮 Peter is simply brilliant at helping the lay person understand more about aviation.
I hope you have a wonderful flight.
@@maryeckel9682 Thank you so much! 😊
Hey learn much and enjoy it wish i could fly a airplane,but cant afford it and i fear height
@danitamccree3716 Thank you! I'm also afraid of heights but making this trip to see family that I haven't seen since the pandemic.
The only problem with your with your RUclips channel is since I've been watching your uploads over many year's now I find myself pulling plane disaster movies apart saying that's not right that couldn't happen and so on. That's all down to you good Sir with how wonderful you are in your story telling and making the facts easy to understand look forward to many more uploads 😊
I don’t know if this was in previous videos, but the added background music makes the video so relaxing lol. Petter is a fantastic storyteller
Glad you enjoy it! 💕💕
I find the music distracting. I find previous videos, without music, much better in this respect.
@@antonischristofides851 I must say I didn't notice the music until I read this comment, even though I usually get just as annoyed by overuse of background music in videos. I think here it was well-placed and used wisely
I don't like the music.
I don't mind the music usually, but in this one, the composer appears to have used the Airbus autopilot disconnect bleep as a sample, which is really off-putting! @mentourpilot perhaps you could feed that back to whoever does your music. Don't use airplane sounds as samples. lol
The head set cable disconnect. Accidentally bumped the TOGA buttons. Accidentally pushed the cabin mic. Inadvertedly pushed the trim buttons (even though he didn't wanted to do so because of reasons)... I guess someone had fat fingers that day
To put it in French: his fingers were all thumbs. (avoir les mains pleines de pouces)
Yeah, that’s a lot of bumping around. Is it easy or common to do that? Seems this episode had a lot of this.
The whole event reads like as if none of the two Pilots had at any point any understanding what was going on and what are they doing - and that it was pure Luck that the Aircraft didn´t crash.
@@mapleexti know nothing about aviation beyond what Ive seen on this channel, but I feel as though out of the dozens of incidents Ive heard him detail, it's only happened a handful of times, which now Im wondering why
fat fingers caused a lot of the problems and also contributed a lot to the solution here. Fat fingers giveth, fat fingers taketh away
My Uncle was a pilot with BA for - well - basically my whole life. To this day he still trains a raft of new pilots onto different types of aircraft every year out of the Far East. He is an amazing pilot.
But I have to say having been watching you steadily for a couple of years now, that I am more fascinated than I was before. I have always wanted to learn to fly a Helo 🚁, but honestly I would probably get lost for hours in a simulator for ANY plane if given the chance!
I love watching the evolution of your videos & how much knowledge is in your head. I am pretty sure if you’re making a woman at 40 wishing I had become the Indiana Jones of my generation, then you must be inspiring a whole fleet of potential pilots & engineers. 🛫
I find it ironic that these big jets had no trim indicator in front view. Due to screen constrains, the old pc fs would show the trim position (and other flight surfaces) right there in front (no moving head) and i seem to remember there was a shortcut key to quickly put it back to 0. I got in the habit to check it visually and reset if i was in some "unstable" situation. To think these guys would fly the thing with the trim all the way negative without noticing or even fearing of moving it back... What a close call.
I agree. If your only way to tell what's happening is to take your eyes off the instruments and search visually for small marks on mechanical devices, then something needs to change.
@@plektosgaming or, upon an obvious attempt to fight the trim, why doesn't an alert sound "Check your trim"?
"Does your plane need a haircut?"
"No. Just a trim."
Boo. 😜
@@jimmyzhao2673 It was either that or a bad joke about my attitude.
Lolol
Bravo! Bravo!
Where does your plane go for trimming?
Hairforce One!
I would love if you looked into Flight 2933, from the airline LaMia, wich was transporting the Brazil's Chapecoense soccer delegation and press professionals to the first leg of the Copa Sudamericana final, against Atlético Nacional. Only six people survived the accident
@MentourPilot
It will come.. it’s one of the worst accidents I’ve ever heard about
Omg, can't wait!
Thank you!!
😢 ending of that video just got spoiled a little bit
Great review ! BTW fun fact : I was ATC in CYQB tower at the time of incident. Not the one working at the exact moment. TSC211 is legendary in the tower. You are a tad nice vs the tower controller...we all know what Pan Pan means.
Cool! As-tu des détails supplémentaires que tu pourrais donner sur cet incident?
Do you have any speculation about why that particular controller might not have known what Pan Pan means?
@@dominiquemichaud7945 Je preferes en rester la publiquement.
That this Incident didn´t end in a Crash seemed to have been pure Luck. None of the two Pilots understood what was going on and none of the Pilots made proper Control Inputs.
Thank you very much for picking this widely unknown Incident up!👍
There is something profoundly unsettling about the calm, controlled delivery of Mentour Pilot, combined with the subtle sound design that heightens my anticipation and dread. It is a masterclass in documentary filmmaking.
WTF? Put it back in your pants.
Those transmissions at 37:46 are haunting. I can't imagine the dread everyone listening must have felt, having no idea that an emergency is on-going or who is experiencing it, but suddenly hearing this level of panic with alarms blaring.
accidental ATC transmissions during emergencies are always so chilling, they're the kind of thing that you'd think could only happen in movies. after hearing that i was so sure this story had to end with impact.
ATC should have declared emergency the moment they heard that
I'm amazed that the tower controller didn't realize that "Pan Pan" call wasn't an emergency call purely based on the tone and the repetition. That sounds like a man on the very edge of panic, and if you've got a pilot calling you up in that state, you should probably assume something has gone terribly wrong.
wouldn't you expect at least "what do you mean by pan pan"?
@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 That too, though there is a language issue in play here...though I feel like it would just make the air traffic controller *more* concerned. The "Pan" in that transmission sounds very much like the French "pain" which translates to "bread," and this is an air traffic controller in Quebec and the recordings in the video are *entirely* in French, so to the ATC person who didn't know what the Pan Pan call is could have heard that as "Bread bread bread bread bread bread Air Transat uhh Air Transat 211, Air Transat 211, we have a small problem. We request altitude ahh..above 5000. We request to 10 000 feet, OK?"
Which sounds mostly fine but the guy's still stammering and why the heck did he say "bread" 6 times just then. Like I said, seems like something that would make you more concerned, or at least, y'know, somewhat curious.
I find this to be very upsetting. The situation which appears to be caused be mistake was also
remedied by mistake. Fortunatly it did not happen but this plane should have crashed.
After investigation both these pilots should have been removed from service until further
flight simulation testing proved thier ability to navigate under these replicated conditions.
What is worse is that an instuctor was one of the crew. Only pure luck apperently saved this flight.
A new Mentour’s video and it already feels like Christmas 🎉
Excellent!!
I love how every introduction of the video gives me goosebumps- It's incredible already!!!
Having gone through NavCan training in the mid-90's, I can confirm that the term PAN PAN and it's meaning was taught. If the tower controller failed to understand it then perhaps that's a function of being in the job for a long time and never hearing the call. Maybe it's an incredibly rare call at an airport. Urgent situations that are possible emergencies during take-off or landing are probably just handled as emergencies. If you are close to the ground and don't have the luxury of time to consider whether it's really a mayday or not, just call mayday out of an abundance of caution.
I liked the intro with the "Québecois" heavy swearing.
Only a French Canadian could correctly assess the level of sheer panic communicated through this one sentence.
This has got to be one of the best episodes I seen on this channel. And/or I have reach a new level of understanding how flying works after two years of watching this channel.
An airtrafficcontroller who does'nt know what a 'PAN PAN' call is ? Are you kidding me.
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I was in the back of a Cessna when my buddy and I were in flight school. He wasn't trimming properly, so the instructor tossed in the control lock and tossed the trim full nose down. We were at about 3k feet and there was a lot of ocean on the other side of the glass. My buddy still didn't figure it out and I was literally floating in the back of the plane. The instructor pulled the plug at about 500ft. I'll never forget that lesson.
This video put my heart rate through the roof!
I always recommend this channel to anyone with any interest in aircraft etc just need to spread the word more channels like this are true hidden gems
Thank you so much!
Why would an airplane, especially if it has electric trim, be designed in a way that the pilot would lack the strength to over come a full trim?
There have been several cases where a malfunction has caused a run-a-trim. If the pilot would be unable to overcome a full trim setting, then that run-a-way trim would be a single point failure.
I'm not sure. You'd think full yoke deflection should trigger auto-trim to assist but I guess not.
It's because the elevators are actually on the horizontal stabilizer (the big thing on the tail plane that moves when you trim). So when they move, the elevators that are attached to them move as well. Sure, you could argue that the maximum angle of the horizontal stabilizer should then be more restricted. But then you could end up in situations where you are out of trim at certain speeds and altitudes which isn't very nice for the pilots. The other option would then be to make the elevators longer. But then you end up with an airplane with very sensitive pitch controls which also isn't a very good solution.
Edit: I should also add that there are other things that can be done, like moving the whole tail further from the center of lift to create more leverage. That would then cause a whole host of other problems. Like with so many things in engineering it's about finding a balance.
It should also be noted that the question as written could be read to imply that a runaway trim cannot be dealt with unless the elevators are able to overpower the stabilizer. That is not true. There should always be a manual backup that takes precedence over the electrical trim that would allow the pilots to trim the aircraft without the use of electrical trim.
This is a good question and I would like to know the answer.
Pilots are trying to recognize runaway trim, and deal with it before it’s a problem. I know it can happen relatively quickly, but still.
Maybe as a final protection, sure, but surprise trim I don’t think would be that helpful. There are always options to trim manually.
Hey! Just want to say, I've been watching these incident videos for about a month now but I had never quite understood what trimming an aircraft actually was. The explanations didn't really work with me but wow! this video's breakdown of trimming was just the thing I needed to understand the importance. I know it can be hard to make these topics simple for non-aviation people so I just wanted to share that I thought this really helped me!
New video ❤. I'm an emergency doctor and have no background in aviation, but I've become captivated by your videos on aviation accidents. There are so many parallels between the two fields, particularly the human factors. Keep up the great work, and take care.
The quality of animation is incredibly high, and your narration is thorough and easily understood. Good work as always. You and your team are appreciated.
As a native french canadian speaker, we are use to hear cockpit recordings in english... But hearing their calls in french... It's just chilling.
Great video as always!
I have to say Petter, this was a crazy one! My husband and I watch your channel and fly for fun together, and we had to keep stopping the video, researching, rewinding…. Repeat often with this flight. So glad everyone was safe.
I love this guy’s videos. I love the fact that even as a 737 pilot he has extensive knowledge of many other aircraft too. He explains everything so much better than any of those documentaries on TV.
What you call negative training was known as a training scar in my career.... an injury caused by training that at best wasn't actively harmful.
The mighty A310! Only the A310 can achieve such a rate of climb with gear and flaps down. In my airline we used to operate 4 A310s one of them was a -204 version, only 5 produced and if I’m not mistaken the most powerful airliner thrust to weight ever produced. The 204 was a 300 but because the dedicated engines were not ready yet from GE they used de rated DC-10 engines that produced 66000 lbs of thrust each after de ration and they were named -204 and not -300s. I distinctly remember jumpseating back home after sim sessions in London ( I was A320 fleet ) and taking off from Heathrow 09R on a Dover departure and being level at FL390 near maximum weight before Dover and ALT* with a roc of around 7000ft/m. As you correctly mentioned in your video there were a few incidents regarding the power of the A300/A310 family. I also remember the procedure they had from Airbus that you had, or may had, ( I can’t remember ) to use down control inputs to overcome the massive thrust n the event of a go-around.
Like the older Boeings, a very pronounced thrust pitch couple. Probably why the B737Max had MCAS installed. The B777 which I did 8 years on being fly-by-wire had thrust pitch couple programmed out. All Airbus since A320 does not have thrust pitch couple. Capt A350
On the other hand, newer Airbuses don‘t seem to climb at all, just go straight with maximum attitude short of stall for several miles. Not very promising if something is going to happen and you would like to enjoy some altitude to be able to find a return path to the runway or else. I liked the 747 better, but it was to fuel-inefficient for today‘s shareholder demands.
The chills i get whenever Peter says “And now things start to happen very quickly”
As a professional simulation development engineer, in a very different industry... hearing about "negative training" in this incident is tough.
There's a saying, "All models are wrong, and some models are useful."
Any sort of simulator... it's NEVER going to be 100% representative of reality, and it's so important to understand and clearly communicate both what it's good for and what it's NOT good for. Otherwise it's so easy to practice bad habits and wrong responses.
It remembers to Independent Air Flight 1851 where the Pilots were trained in the Simulator to ignore GPWS-Alarms - what they did then during a real Approach with the result of crashing the Aircraft and killing all on board.
Well, at least I learned how to use trim now (i play MSFS)
But, great video!
Glad I could help! 💕😂
Amazing video as always 🎉🎉
Another excellent doc, Petter! Also another example of just how quickly one can get behind the aircraft and into an in extremis situation - Even an extremely experienced first officer. Thank God no one was hurt!!!!!
I love how you implemented the add read. It is way more "in flow" with the video. Thank you for your work.
everything sounds normal so far, but..
it wouldn't be a video if everything was normal.
Seems like it might be a good idea to have the CVR NEVER delete at the end of a flight..
It would seem somewhat straightforward to save these off to an aircraft based solid state drive, then at regular intervals that drive can get synchronised to an airport based server which would keep all of these for future reference.
I could imagine pilots not liking this..... but there could be value for pilots in looking at issues in their flying or even their cockpit interactions.....
Be interested to hear what others think
I look forward to your videos every week. I’m a huge aviation buff and watch a lot of air disaster videos but your channel sets the standard against which all others are measured. Keep up the great content!
I am not a pilot, but I wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your very professional explanations of these sad events. Thank you.
Love your work Petter! Thank you and the team
Our pleasure! 💕💕
I've had a takeoff like this. The only difference is I'm just using MSFS, not a real plane.
This gets better and better. Fantastic production value, Petter.
I love how you go through every detail with a fine tooth comb. I’m hoping to be a pilot at some point in life and the way you explain things about certain controls or instruments etc always sticks in my mind. Gives a better understanding of how things work. Keep up the good work man 👍
The best aviation channel in this entire universe! Thanks to you mate, I now know aviation is full of wonders....
Glad you think so! I love to hear that you enjoy my content
@@MentourPilot Very good story telling in this episode.
good video as always!! love your work
I appreciate that 💕💕
Absolutely no-one does an incident re-enactment as well as this channel. Congratulations to you and your team, this is terrific work.
I am always amazed at how little accident pilots seem to understand about why and how an airplane flies. Throttle and elevator have highly overlapping functions when it comes to pitch and speed
I'm a new to your channel but I'm excited with the quality of your content, Peter! I'm a nervous flyer and hope that your channel could help me to reduce the anxiety. And now I'm so in love with aviation that I decided to go to a simulator to try in taking off, flying and landing.
The BIGGEST 'Takeaway' for this video is: "Once you become an 'Instructor' don't become so self-important or take your evaluation duties so seriously that you become useless & unhelpful!"
@@PureMagma by big takeaway is ...pray like crazy that your pilots are awake and having a good day!!
Yes, keep watching his videos. It’s really made me impressed by the safety built into aviation.
Yay a new video, let me grab some ☕️ first!
Great video. It's crazy to realize the difference between what I perceive panic to be based on the storytelling vs. actually hearing it through that accidental radio broadcast. Crazy scary.
I heard this CVR recording for the first time at least 15 years ago on youtube, but I never thought I would ever see such a detailed explanation of what happened, as they didn't crash. Thank you for your work!
The "instructor" is a dead ringer for Leslie Nielsen in Airplane 🤣
I am serious, and don't call me Shirley.
Crazy story. I'm glad there were no deaths or injuries and the situation has been improved for the future
I didn’t expect that to finish well, so glad it did!
As always, an excellent video! 👏👏👏
I love your videos! But is this a new one or a repeat? The Tetris analogy is so memorable, I’m sure I’ve watched this before!
Yeah, I actually think I used it in another video 😂😂
@@MentourPilotyep, the IcelandAir video. Granted, similar rush, just opposite circumstances.
@@MentourPilot to me the Tetris analogy is a great example of your unique knack of storytelling. I hope you will use it again! I look forward to hearing you say “my regular viewers will know that I often liken these situations to the final seconds of a game of Tetris …”
Good video!
Fantastic work Petter!
Educating the aviation community with every video production. I really enjoy your videos. Bravo! 👏
Even though I'm a swede I love hearing the Québec french language. Coolest language I've ever heard. I wish I would be able to speak it one day. During a wisit in Notre dame du nord Québec I can confirm that the word "Tabarnak" was used a lot there.
I feel like it would be useful to have some kind of indicator for a pilot on one of the central screens that showed the current deflection of the elevators RELATIVE to the stabilisers, so it's really obvious when the two are 'fighting' each other.
Perhaps also some system that would automatically adjust the trim very slowly if it detects MAXIMUM pitch input for longer than 5 seconds, only for the duration of that input.
"Automatically adjust" has gotten aircraft into other trouble, at least when this is not perfectly clear to the pilot. Do it, but warn, especially if it means backing the trim away from extreme limits.
Love your vids! Clicked instantly
Peter’s great presentation skills aside, the level of production quality never ceases to amaze me, this vid I realized the sound mastering and mixing was so good.
Wow the level of details, the illustrations, the storytelling, all was great, thanks for for this episode
Perfect video to watch while I eat.😂
I hope you will enjoy it!
Just two points from me: 1) These aircraft are ridiculously over complex and have migrated far beyond what a normal human being can handle. 2) In front of the pilots should be a large (inches in diameter) red panic button. Pressing that in complex situations would reset all controls to midpoint (neutral) conditions and give an immediate display of the true attitude of the aircraft.
Totally agree on Point 1!! I've watched most of the MP videos and I reached this conclusion after just a few.
When all hell breaks loose: 1) Level the plane. 2) set cruise thrust, and then look for the problem.
Exactly. Planes can fly by themselves better than pilots ever could, most of the time, why not build in some restrictions e.g. never ever let the plane point to the ground with maximum speed. Doesn’t Airbus exactly to that in „Normal mode“? Why didn’t it apply here?
Always professionally presented, Thank you. Well done.
I have been following your channel for a couple of months now and I cant tell you how much I enjoy your content!! I'm not a pilot but after binge-ing on the content you provide I feel like I understand so much more than I ever thought I would! I enjoy the storytelling immensely but I also appreciate the technical descriptions given in a way that a non-pilot can understand. You give enough to make what happened clear but I dont feel overwhelmed by the complexity of it all. Thanks for unlocking a new interest I never knew I had!! Maybe I'll learn to fly when I retire in a few years hahaha! Never to late to learn a new skill right? Thanks again for the great content @mentourpilot!