@@kaithedragon21it is pretty much post war America. It existed before the bombs dropped, and there goal was unify America and become stronger than ever, but the decided to kill every mutant ghoul.
@@kaithedragon21a secret organization within the old US government that was prepared to rebuild America in a post war world to the point that they were likely responsible for the experiments that happened in the vaults to get data for their post apocalypse world. The problem is that they were worse than pre apocalypse America and wanted to kill all non pure humans, so essentially everyone who wasn't part of their community. They almost succeeded in Fallout 2, but their headquarters got blown up instead.
"Kiss America goodbye, boys" is such a raw line. Black Isle and Obsidian put more emotion into the bad guys in Fallout 2 with a single line than Bethesda managed in the entirety of Fallout 4 with the Institute.
@@AJadedLizard No, I don’t. My time on earth is finite and I’d rather be spending it doing things I enjoy. I love how nerds use “you don’t read!” as if it’s some sort of insult.
@@jasoninthehood9726 I love how idiots like you think "nerd" is an insult while bragging about being illiterate. +/- 80 years on this planet, and you choose to spend it being an ignorant asshole.
NCR Trooper: "Are you squatting on our land?" Orion: **Minigun whines as it spins up** "Are you boys wearing power armor?" NCR Trooper: "Have a nice day, sir!"
@@bread.9562 Replacing entire US gov structure by itself, idk in what world going against well-defined structure (by constitution mind you) is a fine thing, much less striping rights and citizenship from everyone who isnt them (which is also very bad thing, since everyone who is born on american soil has US citizenship). Think of it like kingdom of france becoming french empire, they also had some guys who served under king and then republic, it doesnt make them even heirs of kingdom, since they abolished it, just a structure that formed on ruins of it (successor).
When you fail to convince him you can say "can't we talk this out?" His response "we just did." the same line of dialog that frank horrigan says to the chosen one.
If the enclave wasn’t so hell bent on committing atrocities and inhumane experiments, they wouldn’t have got their oil rig blown up and people would welcome them
Do you actually believe that? Everyone would want what they had, and if they didn’t get it they would try to take it, why Do you think there’s so much fighting in fallout games, because people just cant get along
@@awsomegamer8277 it’s one thing to attack for resources, survival. It’s another thing to come and mass shoot an entire vault and conduct evil experiments and watch them. The enclave was doing all that.
If you have a Wild Child reputation with the NCR, he will also agree to help, saying that you'll "help them just to screw them over big time later", which is quite the fitting words if you're with House or the Independant route.
I hate how you can't get the Enclave to support House or Yes Man, it sounds like the most obvious option for them since they hate both the Legion and NCR
@@hyperion3145you can, the game just treats it as fighting “for” the NCR since you fight the Legion alongside them. I did the Yes Man ending on my last playthrough but I still had to convince Moreno to fight for the NCR and pass the speech check
@@coughsyrupconnoisseur House and Yes-Man endings is just doing the NCR ending but pulling the rug underneath them with (well, hopefully for yes-man) an army of securitons
@@coughsyrupconnoisseur It accomplishes the same thing but that's more of an exploit. It's clear they didn't really think of a House/Yes Man Enclave option and it is kind of awkward. The driving conflict with the Enclave get together is that they hate both sides and there's a third option looming over them that they don't acknowledge. At least have some extra dialogue with Moreno if you're on the House route to circumvent the Wild Child rep if you don't have it. It's just odd how House and the Enclave don't really talk about each other but House wants the Brotherhood exterminated.
Well, I wouldnt say that they are a stereotypical cartoon villain in Fallout 2. They werent, like, "I do atrocities for no reaon at all and my only character trait is being evil". They were more like ww2 germany, doing this things to others to be the "superior race", a thought the enclave really had, seeing as they hated everyone not enclave born. Also, there are genuine friendly characters in the enclave. Take the cook, also from fallout 2, for example, or some of the base guards when you are posing as a guard yourself. I dont know how they are depicted in fo 3, 4 or 76, as I didnt play them, but for the case of fallout 2 I would disagree with you and say that they were a threat that was to be taken seriously, unlike most cartoon villains are, as theire existence is mostly solely to be evil. And as said, idk Bathesta fallout, but in fo2 they are a deep, multi-facetted faction. If you dont know fallout 2 and youd like to learn more about them, Id recommend the fo2 lore playlist from Oxhorn, he went into full detail taking the game lore appart step for step and explaining references and stuff.
@@reigoll the Enclave in 2 aren't deep, first off comparing them to Nazis shows they aren't deep as they were evil people for no real reason as what they believed were falsehoods. Second they fight for human purity not just Enclave superiority yet for no reason they willingly kill pure humans
But the whole points is they are into purity and they are the remnants of the old world government. That goes to show how corrupt the US was in the Fallout universe.
I haven't played New Vegas, but I suppose in a way, both. He seems too wrapped up in the past without considering the present/future either way, and too weak to simply let go and move on. Though, in his world, I can see why some might choose to reopen old wounds in the face of the Wasteland, rejecting progress by sticking to what they're comfortable with.
Neither, he is loyal to his friends and miss the Enclave, but what is pissing him off is watching how the NCR not only prevail but will eventually come after him forcing him to be incorporated or executed if they found out about his past.
Imagine if you are living on your land only to get NCR soldiers come to your house and tell you that is their land now. On that universe, I would probably minigun the crap ouf of them.
NCR hooligans armed with cheap service rifles trying make me give up my land: You're squatting on NCR territory! Vacate the premise NOW My pet Deathclaw named Princess: HELLO, FED BOYS
Idk why people hate NCR. They r literally rebuilding america, but for some reason many prefer fucking caesars legion! Like wtf, gays in red with spears r cooler then normal people with cool armor and real guns? NCR have soke problems, but this is nothing compared to caesars problems
@@ПавелУшкин-п7р I don’t think very many people honestly like Caesar’s Legion. It’s a garbage nation run by an intelligent but unwise dictator with no long-term plan for stability. It is possible to hate both the NCR and Legion, though. The NCR is pretty clearly a corrupt and inefficient state which is overstretched both socio-politically and militarily. It also engages in typical back-room geopolitics, where inconvenient groups like the Kings or BoS are (usually covertly) eliminated instead of negotiated with. I personally don’t hate it, but I view the NCR as the lesser evil compared to the Legion… I think House has more potential for the restoration of humanity in the long-term. The NCR, if it rebuilds, will take another century and likely more to actually become well-established, and that’s if it doesn’t stagnate and/or collapse, which is not a trivial possibility.
honestly it never made sense to me for the NCR and Brotherhood to hunt Enclave survivors like animals. more realistic would be like post WW2 were survivors are captured for thier skills. The NCR would benefit disproportionately better then the brotherhood, however a handful of Enclave scientists brought into the brotherhood would definitely have boosted their survivability at the powerplant. Better weapons, and Power armor
The narrative of the brotherhood of steel being more paranoid/overzealous than practical rings true here. I don't think they'd trust anyone who was originally aligned with their nemesis faction anyway, although I don't blame them for that much as I doubt the enclave would enjoy the idea either even under threat of death. Can't speak for the NCR, but if they are aware of what the enclaves general plans for the waste were, they could safely be considered a security risk.
@@firewarrior5828 a lot of left wingers saw Richard Nixon as an authoritarian dictator and he inspired a lot of villains in fiction. Emperor Palpatine for instance.
@@firewarrior5828his vice president was based on Dan Quayle, but he himself is slightly based on Bill Clinton Fallout 2 came out when he was in office, and his secretary is a sexualized, not-so-subtle reference to Monica Lewinsky.
I hope we get to see some more immediate enclave remnants in an east coast fallout, I want to see what happened to the survivors. And while not very possible without upsetting some people because they chose to kill him, I'd love if Autumn's survival was canonized and we got to see what happened to him
I wish there will be a fallout game where you are part of the enclave, but there is internal fighting because of purists Like, reformers vs purists, and you can take sides or work to join them together
I just wish there was a fallout where we could choose to team up with the enclave. Like for instance in Fallout 3, you can team up with the enclave and yet the base still blows up....for no reason
Yeah that would be cool. I especially dislike how you can somewhat become a double agent for the Enclave, but you don't get rewarded for it in the end (you just get killed from water and now BOTH the Enclave and BOS want you dead)- unless you are doing a wierd, logically inconsistent role-play there is literally no reason to help the enclave, i guess thats what mods are for. Also, as a side note, I believe it was stated that Liberty Prime destroyed Raven Rock
@@drsatanrxWell. Yes and no. You team up with a group of retired Enclave remnants. Not what is left of the Enclave group as a whole. So although they used to be Enclave and still have access to an Enclave base with vertibirds and power armour and weapons, They aren't part of whatever remains of the Enclave anymore
@@drsatanrx Unlike the boomers and khans, the enclave remnants have no neutral option, it's either fight for the Legion or the NCR, i wish we had a neutral option, maybe Orion would be okay with Mr. House or the courier
I personally like the enclave. Maybe i just love america too much. It does make me wonder what the politics in pre war america was like, though, since there doesnt seem to be any progressive leaders
Please consider that the speech skill is incredibly important in this game. You can easily complete some quests with a simple speech check, and it can even lock you out of a few quests here and there if its not high enough. You can bypass quite a few difficult fights with it too. Just keep it in mind.
My game glitches jn the room where they all decided to join thr battle for hoover dam but I had to kill them all to get out. The helicopter shows up still and dumps their dead bodies out of the chopper fully geared during the battle.
I can't tell if the people here supporting the Enclave are serious or not- Like, in Fallout 3, the Enclave actively cause genocide for the "sake of survival", killing innocent scientists who just want to bring clean water to the Wasteland, and then later attempt to spike said purifier with modified FEV that will kill almost everyone that isn't 100% pure and clean of radiation. Hell, in the exact mission you get to grab Moreno and the Enclave Remnants, the person asking you to do it, Arcade, he literally says "The Enclave did a lot of bas things." Let that be a lesson. Every organization has good people in it. People just doing what they think is right. And the Enclave believed that the ends justified the means. And they were wrong.
The enclave is something of a plot hole to me. They should have rapidly recruited survivors, restarted industry and quickly reclaim most the old world tech. Instead they seemed very isolated, limited and burned out.
You realize they dont see anyone who wasnt a pure blooded american from the Enclave to be a mutant that needed to be purged right? They had people who were uncontaminated from radiation in their ranks and made a virus that would kill anyone who wasnt inoculated at the end of Fallout 2, its why the chosen one blows up the oil rig. to stop the virus.
@@dj11o9er they just legion but a bit more liberal. Only difference is they don't put people on crosses. Same imperialistic bullshit and same corruption and inept leadership.
A true patriot to the end Rest In Peace Enclave America rises on the east and the minutemen will continue to carry the torch of American freedom and liberty god bless America 🇺🇸 🦅
@@saxon7904 the fuck are you on about. I’m just here to enjoy plz don’t tell me your one of those people that shit on everything that have to make everything a pain in the ass for everyone and not let anyone just sit back relax and enjoy the creativity that some people made.
NCR the America democracy face in fallout new Vegas, like what did to the navy people , and it's Master the jws Israel in palastain destroying the bear will be my first task in the next playthrough
Honestly I hope that, one day, you do like an Enclave remnants video or something. Where you go over all the different Enclave characters that we see post FO2. Because even as a short this is amazingly informative.
The Enclave is easily my favorite faction in the entire franchise. It’s a shame we haven’t gotten more of them. I hope in FO5 we get the chance to join them. I also hope they get depicted in a way that isn’t ridiculously evil and borderline cartoonish. They’ve got massive potential imo. I’ll always choose them over the BOS, the Institute or the NCR.
@@sophieprime4669evil, yes Ridiculously evil? No. theyre the only faction making attempts to save humanity and build civilization by colonizing another planet or rehabilitating earth All these vault experiments are meant to simulate life in a space ship, testing social issues, cryogenics, cramp spaces, overpopulation, isolation, rules, chemicals, brain transplants, etc that they expect to face in a space ship while traveling to find another planet. Fallout 2 enclave: "all vaults working perfectly as we intended" And this is why they have access to the vault doors through PoseidoNET Rehab earth plan went to shit as Wes Tek's Fev broke out into the air as they got hit directly by a nuke. Now every mutation you see in the wasteland are caused by FEV, according to the master and the overseer in fo1. Only exception may be the mirelurks' mutation, but like surface humans mutation or not they still have strands of fev now. Only the enclave made attempts to cure that. Sure, a lot of people will die in the process, but a lot more will die from supermutants, deathclaws, yao guais, giant bugs, raiders, feral ghoulification, and more. So far only the institute is ridiculously evil. All those atrocities and their fans still struggle to even explain what they want other than "because scientific curiosity". Supermutants and all that jazz.
@@anthonylandin6788 Because that activity goes against what the Enclave believes. They don’t see anyone not born into their ranks as being truly human and thus represent direct competition to the survival of “True” humanity. Enclave President Dick Richardson will outright tell you this if asked in Fallout 2.
Realistically the Enclave had the best chance to end the post apocalyptic wasteland and get things moving towards prewar levels of quality of life. Yes it wouldve meant alot people wouldve died, but so would the Deathclaws, Super Mutants, Nightstalkers, raiders, slavers, etc. basically 99% of what could kill you in the Fallout Universe would be gone and humanity would be free to rebuild. In the simplest terms those who support the enclave believe that sacrifice is okay as long as it has tangible results that better the world as a whole. Those who claim the Enclave are irredeemably evil believe that sacrifice is unacceptable unless every participant is willing, regardless of how (in)effective it may actually be.
Murdering 99.9% of humanity for the sake of a few inbred fascists who originally left america to die in nuclear fire isnt a future anyone should be okay with.
While the Enclave literally is one of the last official parts of the U.S., it’s a dam shame they are literally committing warcrimes and horrendous things every two seconds. It’s unnaturally evil for no reason.
As a member of the brotherhood of steel i eliminated ALL enclave soldiers still standing and breathing. When that was done i moved on to the legion and so on until it was almost only the brotherhood left standing as a full faction.
@@smurgerburger Don’t know yet, but NCR has seemingly dissolved and Vegas looks abandoned. IMHO it looks like a Legate Lanius ruling the Legion victory is the canon ending. Legion wins the dam, breaks and loots Vegas, storms into the NCR and both factions grind each other effectively to dust. Then a vault tech guy nuked Shady Sands.
As much as I love the For Auld Lang Syne quest, I still can't get over how easy it is to convince Orion Moreno with just one speech check. Makes the situation just a bit awkward.
for auld lang syne
Stupid question maybe, but what exactly IS the enclave?
@@kaithedragon21it is pretty much post war America. It existed before the bombs dropped, and there goal was unify America and become stronger than ever, but the decided to kill every mutant ghoul.
@@kaithedragon21 post war american government.
@@kaithedragon21a secret organization within the old US government that was prepared to rebuild America in a post war world to the point that they were likely responsible for the experiments that happened in the vaults to get data for their post apocalypse world. The problem is that they were worse than pre apocalypse America and wanted to kill all non pure humans, so essentially everyone who wasn't part of their community. They almost succeeded in Fallout 2, but their headquarters got blown up instead.
Auld Lang syne my balls.
To be fair if NCR troops were knocking on my door saying I was in their land I would pull out a mingun and ask who's land is it?
They tried to make me pay taxes
@@sundancetitan5675 what did you do?
@@samsarex4318 I lived under them
@@sundancetitan5675 lol
I’d nuke Kimball immediately if that were the case 😂
Man’s still wearing his power armor
nah he just wearing big grey armor
He doesn't wanna get caught out of uniform by Sargent Dornan
@@sirrtonk4340YOU ARE OUT OF UNIFORM SOLDIER! WHERE IS YOUR *POWER ARMOR!?*
@@InnaSecond"DON'T HAVE? DO YOU EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE THAT, MAGGOT?"
"Kiss America goodbye, boys" is such a raw line. Black Isle and Obsidian put more emotion into the bad guys in Fallout 2 with a single line than Bethesda managed in the entirety of Fallout 4 with the Institute.
Lines of dialogue aren’t what makes me want to play a video game. If I wanted that, I’d read a book.
@jasoninthehood9726 Don't lie to me, we know you don't read.
@@AJadedLizard No, I don’t. My time on earth is finite and I’d rather be spending it doing things I enjoy. I love how nerds use “you don’t read!” as if it’s some sort of insult.
@@jasoninthehood9726 I love how idiots like you think "nerd" is an insult while bragging about being illiterate.
+/- 80 years on this planet, and you choose to spend it being an ignorant asshole.
Followers and the Enclave are the best factions in their respective games (Fallout 1 & 2)
NCR Trooper: "Are you squatting on our land?"
Orion: **Minigun whines as it spins up** "Are you boys wearing power armor?"
NCR Trooper: "Have a nice day, sir!"
Orion a true og i met him at a super duper mart and i recruited him to enclave
2241, but the quote was heard/remembered by Arcade who wasn't born until 2245 at earliest
If i was in the enclave i feel like i would be the exact same as orion moreno
Kiss america goodbye boys.
Pretty cold line, ngl.
Moreno said that when they left Navarro, not when the West Enclave fell.
saying the enclave is the us government is like saying the brotherhood of steal is the us army
Tbf they did descend from both respectively
They just skewed their original foundations
BOS founders were guys that deserted, Enclave founders were part of the US government
@@bread.9562 That essentially committed an insurrection by it. Isnt it lovely couple?
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 please elaborate
@@bread.9562 Replacing entire US gov structure by itself, idk in what world going against well-defined structure (by constitution mind you) is a fine thing, much less striping rights and citizenship from everyone who isnt them (which is also very bad thing, since everyone who is born on american soil has US citizenship). Think of it like kingdom of france becoming french empire, they also had some guys who served under king and then republic, it doesnt make them even heirs of kingdom, since they abolished it, just a structure that formed on ruins of it (successor).
Could anyone really move on after america was killed off?
Background song name ?
Its pronounced Mo-ren-o
Fallout
Hi day 213
Id feel more bad if the Enclave if they didnt behave like current day politicians
What's the name of the background music?
Moreno when NCR troopers are at his door: **pulls out mini-gun**
*just like the founding fathers intended*
God damn right.
Four NCR troopers try to take my land...
@@mr.cauliflower3536what the devil
@@mullythebully5557as I say as I grab my hat and laser musket.
@@ishansherif8592Blow a golf ball sized hole in the first trooper,he's dead on the spot
When you fail to convince him you can say "can't we talk this out?" His response "we just did." the same line of dialog that frank horrigan says to the chosen one.
Frank is so funny
Quick saves
If the enclave wasn’t so hell bent on committing atrocities and inhumane experiments, they wouldn’t have got their oil rig blown up and people would welcome them
Wish this was true for modern day countries aswell.
Do you actually believe that? Everyone would want what they had, and if they didn’t get it they would try to take it, why Do you think there’s so much fighting in fallout games, because people just cant get along
@@awsomegamer8277 and that justifies genocide?
@@awsomegamer8277 it’s one thing to attack for resources, survival. It’s another thing to come and mass shoot an entire vault and conduct evil experiments and watch them. The enclave was doing all that.
Killing mutants is justifiable.
If you have a Wild Child reputation with the NCR, he will also agree to help, saying that you'll "help them just to screw them over big time later", which is quite the fitting words if you're with House or the Independant route.
I hate how you can't get the Enclave to support House or Yes Man, it sounds like the most obvious option for them since they hate both the Legion and NCR
@@hyperion3145you can, the game just treats it as fighting “for” the NCR since you fight the Legion alongside them. I did the Yes Man ending on my last playthrough but I still had to convince Moreno to fight for the NCR and pass the speech check
@@coughsyrupconnoisseur House and Yes-Man endings is just doing the NCR ending but pulling the rug underneath them with (well, hopefully for yes-man) an army of securitons
@@coughsyrupconnoisseur It accomplishes the same thing but that's more of an exploit. It's clear they didn't really think of a House/Yes Man Enclave option and it is kind of awkward. The driving conflict with the Enclave get together is that they hate both sides and there's a third option looming over them that they don't acknowledge.
At least have some extra dialogue with Moreno if you're on the House route to circumvent the Wild Child rep if you don't have it. It's just odd how House and the Enclave don't really talk about each other but House wants the Brotherhood exterminated.
I really wish we could get just one Enclave appearance without them being cartoonishly evil. Could say the same thing about the institute though.
Well, I wouldnt say that they are a stereotypical cartoon villain in Fallout 2. They werent, like, "I do atrocities for no reaon at all and my only character trait is being evil".
They were more like ww2 germany, doing this things to others to be the "superior race", a thought the enclave really had, seeing as they hated everyone not enclave born.
Also, there are genuine friendly characters in the enclave. Take the cook, also from fallout 2, for example, or some of the base guards when you are posing as a guard yourself.
I dont know how they are depicted in fo 3, 4 or 76, as I didnt play them, but for the case of fallout 2 I would disagree with you and say that they were a threat that was to be taken seriously, unlike most cartoon villains are, as theire existence is mostly solely to be evil.
And as said, idk Bathesta fallout, but in fo2 they are a deep, multi-facetted faction.
If you dont know fallout 2 and youd like to learn more about them, Id recommend the fo2 lore playlist from Oxhorn, he went into full detail taking the game lore appart step for step and explaining references and stuff.
@@reigoll the Enclave in 2 aren't deep, first off comparing them to Nazis shows they aren't deep as they were evil people for no real reason as what they believed were falsehoods. Second they fight for human purity not just Enclave superiority yet for no reason they willingly kill pure humans
The institute isn't evil
That's literally New Vegas
But the whole points is they are into purity and they are the remnants of the old world government. That goes to show how corrupt the US was in the Fallout universe.
I can’t be sure if his weakness is being loyal to a fault or just being too stubborn to accept his nation has fallen.
I haven't played New Vegas, but I suppose in a way, both. He seems too wrapped up in the past without considering the present/future either way, and too weak to simply let go and move on. Though, in his world, I can see why some might choose to reopen old wounds in the face of the Wasteland, rejecting progress by sticking to what they're comfortable with.
Neither, he is loyal to his friends and miss the Enclave, but what is pissing him off is watching how the NCR not only prevail but will eventually come after him forcing him to be incorporated or executed if they found out about his past.
@@silverhawk8699Not being able to get over the past is a huge story theme for New Vegas. You're right on the money. It's detectable in every faction.
The enclave is not fallen.
Imagine if you are living on your land only to get NCR soldiers come to your house and tell you that is their land now.
On that universe, I would probably minigun the crap ouf of them.
“Let’s remind them why the feared vertabirds in the sky”
NCR hooligans armed with cheap service rifles trying make me give up my land: You're squatting on NCR territory! Vacate the premise NOW
My pet Deathclaw named Princess: HELLO, FED BOYS
Good one
“Look at me. You’re living in the Republic of Dave now.”
Idk why people hate NCR. They r literally rebuilding america, but for some reason many prefer fucking caesars legion! Like wtf, gays in red with spears r cooler then normal people with cool armor and real guns? NCR have soke problems, but this is nothing compared to caesars problems
@@ПавелУшкин-п7р I don’t think very many people honestly like Caesar’s Legion. It’s a garbage nation run by an intelligent but unwise dictator with no long-term plan for stability.
It is possible to hate both the NCR and Legion, though. The NCR is pretty clearly a corrupt and inefficient state which is overstretched both socio-politically and militarily. It also engages in typical back-room geopolitics, where inconvenient groups like the Kings or BoS are (usually covertly) eliminated instead of negotiated with.
I personally don’t hate it, but I view the NCR as the lesser evil compared to the Legion… I think House has more potential for the restoration of humanity in the long-term. The NCR, if it rebuilds, will take another century and likely more to actually become well-established, and that’s if it doesn’t stagnate and/or collapse, which is not a trivial possibility.
@@ПавелУшкин-п7р fuck taxes
Enough said
I don't blame him even a bit
I do 🙃
@@Off-with-a-bang too bad
NCR: Excuse me sir, I'd just like to welcome you t-
*Mississippi Queen*
honestly it never made sense to me for the NCR and Brotherhood to hunt Enclave survivors like animals. more realistic would be like post WW2 were survivors are captured for thier skills. The NCR would benefit disproportionately better then the brotherhood, however a handful of Enclave scientists brought into the brotherhood would definitely have boosted their survivability at the powerplant. Better weapons, and Power armor
@lolseagull Pretty sure Erich von Manstein trained NATO troops
California logic
The narrative of the brotherhood of steel being more paranoid/overzealous than practical rings true here. I don't think they'd trust anyone who was originally aligned with their nemesis faction anyway, although I don't blame them for that much as I doubt the enclave would enjoy the idea either even under threat of death.
Can't speak for the NCR, but if they are aware of what the enclaves general plans for the waste were, they could safely be considered a security risk.
Post WWII was nothing but show trials, slavery, forced migrations and executions.
@@magnusgamer1816 and Wener Von Bruan led America's space program
Tbh. claim to squat in wastelands is wild as hell. Can't blame guy hatred for that.
Like, as if any sort of pre-war paperwork could be found or initiated.
"Dick Richardson" 💀
President Richard Richardson of the United States of Richard
@@kassiuskharn6249 President Dick Dickson of the United States of Dick
The name sounds similar to Richard Nixon.
@@firewarrior5828 a lot of left wingers saw Richard Nixon as an authoritarian dictator and he inspired a lot of villains in fiction. Emperor Palpatine for instance.
@@firewarrior5828his vice president was based on Dan Quayle, but he himself is slightly based on Bill Clinton
Fallout 2 came out when he was in office, and his secretary is a sexualized, not-so-subtle reference to Monica Lewinsky.
Not to worry, Bethesda isn't ever letting go of the Enclave, or the Bos, or super-mutants, or...
At this point i think it's more like they are incapable of doing so lmao
@@EzraelVioProbably because Bethesda can't write a decent storyline with Emil in charge...
“While maintaining the secrecy of their past”
Cuts to guy who explicitly tells you he’s from the Enclave
I hope we get to see some more immediate enclave remnants in an east coast fallout, I want to see what happened to the survivors.
And while not very possible without upsetting some people because they chose to kill him, I'd love if Autumn's survival was canonized and we got to see what happened to him
There is one in Far Harbour with the children of the atom
@@guilhermehank4938 we don't know which enclave he served, could be either DC enclave or another enclave we didn't encounter yet
@@angeloluna529 he said that he was stationed at the capital region....so i guess he's with DC enclave
@@bread.9562 could be it, hadn't played fallout 4 in years, only been playing fallout 3 and NV with TTW
There's a radiant encounter in Fallout 4 where you can get some rusty X-01 power armor.
I wish there will be a fallout game where you are part of the enclave, but there is internal fighting because of purists
Like, reformers vs purists, and you can take sides or work to join them together
Dear Old Friends, Remember Navarro
Remember Navarro
Remember Oil Rig
Remember Raven Rock
Remember *United States*
That’s why Moreno is the best character in new Vegas
I just wish there was a fallout where we could choose to team up with the enclave. Like for instance in Fallout 3, you can team up with the enclave and yet the base still blows up....for no reason
Yeah that would be cool. I especially dislike how you can somewhat become a double agent for the Enclave, but you don't get rewarded for it in the end (you just get killed from water and now BOTH the Enclave and BOS want you dead)- unless you are doing a wierd, logically inconsistent role-play there is literally no reason to help the enclave, i guess thats what mods are for. Also, as a side note, I believe it was stated that Liberty Prime destroyed Raven Rock
You can in new vegas. At least for the battle if hoover dam.
@@drsatanrxWell. Yes and no. You team up with a group of retired Enclave remnants. Not what is left of the Enclave group as a whole. So although they used to be Enclave and still have access to an Enclave base with vertibirds and power armour and weapons, They aren't part of whatever remains of the Enclave anymore
@@PLANDerLinde99 they're in hiding because of the BoS and NCR.
@@drsatanrx Unlike the boomers and khans, the enclave remnants have no neutral option, it's either fight for the Legion or the NCR, i wish we had a neutral option, maybe Orion would be okay with Mr. House or the courier
Dear old friends, my speech is 15.
And my unarmed is 90
The Enclave literally labeled everyone outside The Enclave as a mutant to be erradicated. So fuck em. They would have killed us all.
Not us specifically. You and i are pre-war U.S citizens
Could’ve been worse, the NCR could’ve tried to force him to pay non-US Federal Taxes
I'm hoping in Fallout 5 you can actually join The Enclave.
Not possible considering they don't allow outsiders to integrate and join their ranks
To them you'll always be an outsider
If it's like how it is in the old world blues mod for hoi4, maybe granite would allow it
Fallout 5 would come out by 2030 so u better start eating healthier and praying ww3 doesn't break out lmao
@@icrywhenisleep2130Yeah, otherwise you might get a front seat experience and live the events instead of playing them.
@Ghent_Halcyon lmao I think china really wants taiwan and America doesn't want that to happen so ww3 seems like it's right around the corner
I personally like the enclave. Maybe i just love america too much. It does make me wonder what the politics in pre war america was like, though, since there doesnt seem to be any progressive leaders
Pre-war America was basically just irl America during the Red Scare
Please consider that the speech skill is incredibly important in this game. You can easily complete some quests with a simple speech check, and it can even lock you out of a few quests here and there if its not high enough. You can bypass quite a few difficult fights with it too. Just keep it in mind.
God Bless the Sneedclave
The Enclave is the only Fallout faction that knows what's up.
Killed him inmediately lol
L bozo
My game glitches jn the room where they all decided to join thr battle for hoover dam but I had to kill them all to get out. The helicopter shows up still and dumps their dead bodies out of the chopper fully geared during the battle.
His last words should Deffo be "Semper Fi:
Orion Moreno was a good man and he had right to want the Enclave back and be enraged at the NCR
I can't tell if the people here supporting the Enclave are serious or not-
Like, in Fallout 3, the Enclave actively cause genocide for the "sake of survival", killing innocent scientists who just want to bring clean water to the Wasteland, and then later attempt to spike said purifier with modified FEV that will kill almost everyone that isn't 100% pure and clean of radiation.
Hell, in the exact mission you get to grab Moreno and the Enclave Remnants, the person asking you to do it, Arcade, he literally says "The Enclave did a lot of bas things."
Let that be a lesson. Every organization has good people in it. People just doing what they think is right. And the Enclave believed that the ends justified the means. And they were wrong.
Same thing with the people who root for the Legion: lonely, terminally-online keyboard tough guys having a collective Reddit moment.
I like the Enclave because i am single Braincell individual that goes ah yes cool Armor i like them and they have some really funny moments
I also like the Enclave Lore
If you want Orion at Hoover Dam he has no objections fighting on side with the Legion, tho Cannibal Johnson has problems woth it
Hold on hold on.. Dick Richardson..wtf 😂 that's what they decided to name him? That's hilarious
Dick Dick
"They did what Moreno? Join me, you'll love what I'll do (House ending)"
Most happy and sane enclave fan
The most based character in fallout new vegas
Moreno: "I'll never fight for the NCR!"
*Courier with 100 speech walks in
The reason why they can’t change or do different shi as a faction is because of lazy writing
damn I didn’t know this guy had lore, I just killed him and took his enclave power armor and his pulse laser
Blud does not read the dialogues hell nahhh
The enclave is something of a plot hole to me.
They should have rapidly recruited survivors, restarted industry and quickly reclaim most the old world tech.
Instead they seemed very isolated, limited and burned out.
That’s probably just an issue with them always being cartoonishly evil and only focusing on bulldozing anyone in their way.
The fallout writers before New Vegas were not intelligent
@@jonathanwells223Fallout 1
that's their problem, they don't want to intermix with the survivors
You realize they dont see anyone who wasnt a pure blooded american from the Enclave to be a mutant that needed to be purged right? They had people who were uncontaminated from radiation in their ranks and made a virus that would kill anyone who wasnt inoculated at the end of Fallout 2, its why the chosen one blows up the oil rig. to stop the virus.
You can also convince him with a Wild Child NCR reputation
You know i thought one of them was a cannibal since he was named cannibal
But you can get his weapon and armor if you kill him so…
God bless America
God bless the Enclave
The question is who tf even likes the ncr they have always sucked from f1 upward
Me
They're the closest we got to a proper America. They aint perfect but they're definitely better than the Legion
@@dj11o9er I got a question for u tho did u ever played fallout 2?
@@dj11o9er they just legion but a bit more liberal. Only difference is they don't put people on crosses. Same imperialistic bullshit and same corruption and inept leadership.
@@dj11o9er At least the Legion has Gold and Water Aquifers lmao
@@uberd3323 they wear skirts
And he was right. Long love the enclave.
A true patriot to the end Rest In Peace Enclave America rises on the east and the minutemen will continue to carry the torch of American freedom and liberty god bless America 🇺🇸 🦅
Damn you're stupid. They're literally separate universes, I mean, all the retcons
Stupid sob
God bless America, god bless the Enclave!
@@saxon7904 the fuck are you on about. I’m just here to enjoy plz don’t tell me your one of those people that shit on everything that have to make everything a pain in the ass for everyone and not let anyone just sit back relax and enjoy the creativity that some people made.
@@Clown_the_Clown is there any difference?
He probably loved that I betrayed the NCR and sent them packing 😂
pretty sure there are more enclaves bases, atleast that what ive read on the wiki
Moreno is the Nathan of New Vegas.
NCR the America democracy face in fallout new Vegas, like what did to the navy people , and it's Master the jws Israel in palastain
destroying the bear will be my first task in the next playthrough
Honestly I hope that, one day, you do like an Enclave remnants video or something. Where you go over all the different Enclave characters that we see post FO2. Because even as a short this is amazingly informative.
The Enclave is easily my favorite faction in the entire franchise. It’s a shame we haven’t gotten more of them. I hope in FO5 we get the chance to join them. I also hope they get depicted in a way that isn’t ridiculously evil and borderline cartoonish. They’ve got massive potential imo. I’ll always choose them over the BOS, the Institute or the NCR.
Like why can't there be a enclave reformist faction that want incorporated wastelanders , like in old world blues mod for hearts of iron 4
But they *are* ridiculously evil... Thats how theyve been since fallout 2....
@@sophieprime4669evil, yes
Ridiculously evil? No. theyre the only faction making attempts to save humanity and build civilization by colonizing another planet or rehabilitating earth
All these vault experiments are meant to simulate life in a space ship, testing social issues, cryogenics, cramp spaces, overpopulation, isolation, rules, chemicals, brain transplants, etc that they expect to face in a space ship while traveling to find another planet.
Fallout 2 enclave: "all vaults working perfectly as we intended"
And this is why they have access to the vault doors through PoseidoNET
Rehab earth plan went to shit as Wes Tek's Fev broke out into the air as they got hit directly by a nuke. Now every mutation you see in the wasteland are caused by FEV, according to the master and the overseer in fo1. Only exception may be the mirelurks' mutation, but like surface humans mutation or not they still have strands of fev now.
Only the enclave made attempts to cure that. Sure, a lot of people will die in the process, but a lot more will die from supermutants, deathclaws, yao guais, giant bugs, raiders, feral ghoulification, and more.
So far only the institute is ridiculously evil. All those atrocities and their fans still struggle to even explain what they want other than "because scientific curiosity". Supermutants and all that jazz.
@@anthonylandin6788 Because that activity goes against what the Enclave believes. They don’t see anyone not born into their ranks as being truly human and thus represent direct competition to the survival of “True” humanity. Enclave President Dick Richardson will outright tell you this if asked in Fallout 2.
Realistically the Enclave had the best chance to end the post apocalyptic wasteland and get things moving towards prewar levels of quality of life. Yes it wouldve meant alot people wouldve died, but so would the Deathclaws, Super Mutants, Nightstalkers, raiders, slavers, etc. basically 99% of what could kill you in the Fallout Universe would be gone and humanity would be free to rebuild.
In the simplest terms those who support the enclave believe that sacrifice is okay as long as it has tangible results that better the world as a whole. Those who claim the Enclave are irredeemably evil believe that sacrifice is unacceptable unless every participant is willing, regardless of how (in)effective it may actually be.
Murdering 99.9% of humanity for the sake of a few inbred fascists who originally left america to die in nuclear fire isnt a future anyone should be okay with.
Exactly. I view it as Evil to make people suffer in this environment and the Enclave wants to remedy that.
Deathclaws were made prewar by the military. Also you wouldnt want prewar fallout universe america, it was really messed up
@@kelavia2112cant be more messed up than what we have now, judging by how prewar ghouls feel.
@shaokhanwins1037 isn't it poetic that like pre war America, the enclave had the means to solve the current crisis but chose not too.
While the Enclave literally is one of the last official parts of the U.S., it’s a dam shame they are literally committing warcrimes and horrendous things every two seconds. It’s unnaturally evil for no reason.
damn and I thought he was just a hobo when I first played
As a member of the brotherhood of steel i eliminated ALL enclave soldiers still standing and breathing. When that was done i moved on to the legion and so on until it was almost only the brotherhood left standing as a full faction.
Orion is probably one of the most loyal characters in the game (outside of companions)
Do you even know what moreno means in Spanish? It means blacky. More or less.
I hate the enclave just cause they killed me a bunch early in my first playthrough of fallout 4
A full suit of X0-2 power armor couldn't help him against a mailman in a checkered suit
Well honestly the enclave could have been a better option if they weren’t you know, authoritarian and hellbent on domination
I find it ironic that while your mentioning them keeping there past secret, you show the one character who will tell you hes ex enclave openly
Enclave was destroyed
The enclave in fallout 4:so that much like the ncr was a lie
Oops. I think I murdered him and then decided to pick up arcade Gannon for the first time😅
Why didn’t he go east like the rest of the Enclave remnants? He definitely seems like a member who would go east and continue the fight
straight plagiarism from the wiki :)
My names Orion teehee
I played through twice and never found this guy
Fallout 2 best fallout created what's everyone's thoughts?
Until the TV show, kiss the lore goodbye boys
Don't worry, the TV show isn't canon
@@justinkemp4019 might not be to us, but to the owners of the IP it is
What happened
@@smurgerburger
Don’t know yet, but NCR has seemingly dissolved and Vegas looks abandoned.
IMHO it looks like a Legate Lanius ruling the Legion victory is the canon ending.
Legion wins the dam, breaks and loots Vegas, storms into the NCR and both factions grind each other effectively to dust.
Then a vault tech guy nuked Shady Sands.
@@smurgerburgerno rhe ncr still exist just push out of Mojave after new vegas
And now the Enclave is back.... again.
LONG LIVE THE ENCLAVE
Bad ending Moreno: "I'll die before i help the NCR ):
With only they Knew what America Realy was...
As much as I love the For Auld Lang Syne quest, I still can't get over how easy it is to convince Orion Moreno with just one speech check. Makes the situation just a bit awkward.
Yeah but it requires one of the highest speech checks in the game
Good old president Dick Dick
Well not the same fate this time it is my axe thats been grinding in the back of the conversation.
He gets destroyed on an oil rig?
Orion Moreno did nothing wrong.