I love it when the people actually involved in those projects talk about the science, engineering, design challenges they faced to make the planes work.None of that emotional bombastic exaggerated trash talk.
Excellent film. My father is Soviet Air Force colonel (ret.) He was flying during 32 years 62-94 years. Evenly on staff work. Planes was Migs.:mig 21 (all modifications ),mig 23 and several types before it.So thanks for film and hi from Ukraine !!!
At first I was gonna crack a joke about how soviets we're losers and Russia is bad... But then I read the last sentence about you being from Ukraine. I'm more interested in saying "Glory to Ukraine! 😁"
Gawd, I love this video. Back in the late 1980s to the early 1990sI purchased this Aviation Week video on video tape. It is nice to know I can still watch it again, when I want to.
@@sebastien3351 right ! I think I have a couple special order VHS tapes in amongst my collection. I know what you mean though, despite the price, we just didn't have access to those special programs with the most interesting facts and info, so they were extremely valuable !
STILL ONE OF MOST INTERESTING DOCUMENTARIES ABOUT AIR SUPERIORITY FIGHTERS,EVEN AFTER 30 YEARS.THAT TIMES AVIATION WEEK MAGAZINE,AND VIDEOS WAS AWESOME.
39:29 That's one state of the art workstation right there. Probably an 8MHz Mac? And that printer likely uses continuous form paper with the perforated edges. It's amazing to reflect on how much things have changed.
Lately i been watching more & more VIDEOS OF EVERY WAR WE HAD...!!! And i learned about a few things that I NEVER KNEW...!!! So THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION IN THIS DOCUMENTARY...!!!
Just what the pilots said, the migs full potential was not shown to Canadian pilot . Respect to all "Fighter Pilots" . Training ,experience is the deal I could only imagine
I knew Valery E. Menitskiy he was a super pilot! He is "father" of the "Tail slide" ("The Bell") maneuver and one of several pilots who can do "The Cobra" maneuver on the MiG-29 with traditional hydraulic control system(without fly-by-wire)! He was first Soviet pilot who flew on MiG-29UB together with NATO pilot - major of the Canadian Air Force Bob Wade! Menitskiy was a big friend of the GENERAL Dynamics chief test pilot Kevin Dwyer and they flew together on F-16 and MiG-29,all western pilots who flew on MiG-29 or Su-27 told about Soviet fighters only the good things! You can find what Wade and Dwyer wrote about it. In early versions MiG-29 and Su-27 got simplified radars and it was planned that new PESA radars will be ready to 1992-93,but Soviet Union wss collapsed and all working on radars were stopped. After the crisis Russia made new radars for Su-27(N011 and N035 with PESA) and MiG-29(N010 with slot antenna) which are very good. Now Russian Su-30 and Su-35 are not badder than any versions of F-15 and MiG-29SMT and MiG-35(and deck-based version MiG-29KR/KUBR)than any version of F-16. Now Russian Su-57 ends all stages of the testing and soon will goes to mass production,Su-57 is very dangerous fighter and it's not badder than F-35 or F-22!
You may be right on almost everything you said. Unbelievable how you can be well informed about many issues but totally misinformed about the trillion dollar flying piece of junk aka F35, that will never be combat ready. SU-30s and SU -35s upgraded with top notch avionics, radars and R 77 Vympel long range missiles are far superior in combat than the american trillion dollar disaster "invisible plane", US air force keeps downgrading its endless serious flaws for the sake of saving face. I believe the F 35 would be in grave danger in the case of confrontation with the russian dog fighting beast.
@Kanwer Vikram No proof of the first, and in the second case, the AIM 120s were shot at the limit of their range, well into the escape zone, but they got their job done, scared the SU 30 away.
The 1990 date of the video should be taken into account ! (Time-Life Video/Air Power/Aviation Week and Space Technology, 1990) Thanks for posting this!! It IS nice to be able to "compare" the state of air-power then to now!
@@SW-mv6fw Well as for the Yugoslavia war, it's complex. US and NATO certainly had air superiority as Mig21s and home made aircrafts were obsolete compared to our enemy, we did have some 4-5 Mig29s. Bought in '87 with no further upgrades and poorly maintained, 2 of them crashed due to the malfunction, barely seeing any fight. On contrary our AA defense did a very good job, shooting down F117 stealth bomber, being first ever to do so, also one F16, many drones and damaged some 15 various aircrafts. Some even say that B2 was shot down, truth is, something big did crash in Croatia, site was off limit for all except US army, as later stated by Croatian police and firefighters.
Thanks for this video, very good footage. Obviously, both nations think their machines are superior. All i can say its that those machines are the pinnacle of their respective military industrial complexes.
Give the pilots the best tools and they will do the rest, even a poor pilot in a advanced aircraft is still a poor pilot, the best pilots with the best equipment should be the goal of any military Air Force.
In this documentary you have a bunch of guys talking sense. Just using plain words to show honest respect about each other no matter what flag they’re flying.I like that part of it almost as much as I like watching the Jets
Of all the jets in the air. the F-16 Falcon is the one plain I would love to fly. I think its the fastest most nimble aircraft and it just slices through the sky, but those Russian planes are also very formidable jets. Especially the Mig-29.
Ok lets put it this way...did you see those old tv sets next to that guybnear the end around 50 minutes. ... the tv sets vs the touchnscreen display ? Thats how far advanced these jets were... think what they have now that we have touch tv
This is very old video since they still talked about Mig-29 with hydraulic controls. Nowadays, all the aircraft either from Russia or U.S are equipped with fly-by-wire.
This was so good. Like a time capsule. Talked about the ATF program like it was brand new. And they debated stealth. The F-117 hadn’t dominated in the Gulf War yet.
@@cliffbird5016 You are a moron. Only one f117 has ever been shot down. Please if you are going to include yourself in adult conversations then please at least try to appear more intelligent than a rock
19:55 While his rationale is correct, that twin engines close together is better than apart on the case of engine failure, that didn't help that Canadian F-18 that was practicing a demo flight. Like in the case of the MiG-29 crash he mentions, the failure of one engine caused the F-18 to veer to the side and crash, just like what happened with the MiG.
Хорошо, если вы положите вектор тяги в учетную запись, то разделение двигателя может быть полезным при маневрировании самолета, в случае отказа двигателя это может привести к вращению самолета
There are other factors at play too. Adding a second engine is costly. If you can buy 30% more planes because they're single engine, that has a value of its own.
@@Ryenobal it was my opinion as well, way back in time, but today something in it looks "not right" in my eye... dunno exactly wat's that, maybe this funny bright "shoulders" on a wings leading edge... F-15 is imo much more pretty in proportions and lines...
I readily agree. F-14 Tomcat is a mean looking machine. It's rather old and being the first to look like this , ( I believe) it seems to stick in ones mind as still futuristic looking. The SU-27 is also a mean looking monster.
Thank God for sanity that produced this Brilliant n unbias documentary honest fair n informative, so unlike ours are he best n anyone's else are crap thanks for uploading cheers
Absolutely. 👍 but our chief guys were saying the SU 27 was lacking in attention to detail? Hopefully he was thinking electrical, because mechanics, and looks the SU 27 pulls all stops. The MIG 29 is the little brother, but it's a mean one too.
@@SoloCrimeWave Have you ever seen some close up photos of the Su-57? From 20 feet or further back, it looks like a beautiful masterpiece. But I've seen a couple of photos up close where it shows some of the skin panels around the back have huge, bulging rivets and the craftsmanship looks a bit crude. That is compared to the way it looks from 20 feet away, there it looks perfect. Just a possibility maybe?
@@bryanrussell6679 I've always had a great respect for fighter jets since a child. The SUKHOI 27 is my favorite. I have never seen one up close. Just the U.S. fighters. I own one extra scale SU 27 turbine powered RC version (8ft length), and two Eflite twin 70mm EDF jets (about 6ft in length) that I fly on the weekends as a hobby. I would love to see one of them at an air show. That would be awesome!
This was one well balanced study presentation. Don't listen to Nigerians, they're no better than Nigerian Scam 419. Americans have goo fighter jets, Russian have goo fighter jets too, let's hope that we won't witness a life combat between them! Work together, prosper together, be friends, after all we're all humans of Planet Earth !
That is true..both sides have very capable aircraft ,though the 1 area americans are better is experienced pilots in combat in modern warfare.........but as this video is old all the new aircraft are now old as well except the F-35.and some new Mig's
Why can't they play to see who's better. Yes i know the pilots has a large part in this equation. They can use missiles that doesn't detonate for those aircrafts that suposibly can out maneuver missiles. They need to have another Red October.
In 1992 a group of two Russian Su 27s and one IL 76 made a visit to Headquarters ATC in Virginia. After they reached Langley, Virginia, there was held a training session over the Atlantic Ocean, approx. 200 km away from the coast. The training session, "mock dogfight”, included at least two fights between Su 27 and F15 as these jet fighters's characteristics are very similar and both American and Russian aces desired to test the planes of their potential opponents. All fights were won by Su 27 pilots. Ten years later, in 2002, one of the 94FS pilots, Tom Murphy, tried to annul the results of those mock dogfights stating that the fights were not held according to the fighter community rules and making up various reasons to explain the defeat of F15s. On their way back home Russian pilots almost lost both jet fighters as the engines on both aircrafts suddenly stopped working. The reason why the engines stalled was the American fuel quality. Russian Su 27s could not work properly as American operating personnel filled both Su 27s with unsuitable fuel, the density of which was much thinner than needed. On their way to the US border Su 27 pilots were told by American colleagues to fly over a thunderstorm. Having reached the altitude of 13 km both Su 27s started to fall down. The Russian pilots while preparing to eject asked American pilots accompanying Su 27s to the border to stay on the spot so that they could inform the rescue team about the location of the disaster that could've occured. The crew of IL 76 was unaware of the Su 27s' situation as IL 76 was going around the thunderstorm and was a long distance from the two Russian jet fighters. So, US F15 pilots were the only ones who could help. American aces just giggled in response and flew away keeping absolute silence. None of the pilots or the operating staff was sustained to any penalties later even though the accident was reported to their command. Luckily at the alt. 2-3 km Su 27s' engines revived.
one "funny" thing - There was a major article in one of the few Polish magazines about airplanes: "Skrzydlata Polska" in 1984 (very hard times under Military Junta of Jaruzelski governed Poland (and still under Soviet boots) - article describing F-16 in details any aviation hobbyist could have only imagined /especially at that time/ - drawings, params, etc... Since then I have some growing respect for F-16, knowing her age...
I like the fact that the US pilots let the MIG leading the pack,i'm sure,they want to have a good look at it in flight and discretely film the plane,from all angles..!!!,and i'm sure US pilots"secretly love RUSSIAN Fighter-Planes.
@@boikanyoonneng9170 The F16 it’s tops because it looks like a bird of prey with that sharp beak wings and tail. I do like the Russian jets and they are impressive at the airshows.
Maybe the world can .. in a while. - There could be world peace(ish) - and old military stuff made "sports" for - entertainment morale boost whatever - maybe to make the militaries less unhappy about being put of job.. - There could be new kind of division where powers that can make fighter aircrafts are on one side .. so for development making it a sport could have an advantage - Even if nothing changes much - it might still be viable. It's not like they'd had to use live ammo and such . .While fighters are considered strategically important their capabilities are somewhat secret.. But ti could be that human piloted aircrafts become more of a backup or symbolic unit (if not already).. I don't think it's likely that it would happen anytime soon that military grade fighters would be competing in global open competitions "sportily" (for glory wins in fair bouts rather than just for show and sales) .
what they really mean to say and keep hitting the point almost is that even 50 years ago with world war two the original migs were fun and hard to shoot down then and they are now.Both the u.s and Russia have made the best multi role fighters since world war 2
I was there at the Farborough Airshow in 1990. Seeing the Cobra maneuver was awesome, to say the least, but I thought, if he is going that slow when a missile is on its way, no slow maneuver was going to help him.
F/A-18 never tangled with a Mig-29 in any war. As a mater of fact an F/A-18 got shot down by an Iraqi Mig-25 Foxbat during Desert Storm. Its the F-16 that shot down Serbian Mig-29s as did the F-15 both Iraqi and Serbian.
@@vwbora26 They never came head to head in a real conflict. They probably faced off against each other in friendly exercises. Polish, ex Luftwaffe, Malaysian, Indian 29s faced various western airforce, Nato and Aussie F/A-18s in simulated dogfights.. That's it.
This F-16 is the only plane that was flown real well by my brother Charles King Parsons, he flew it for many years The only USAF Academy person who did this much piloting is my brother I am Kent Cole Parsons we are just a year apart in age
Fact remains that with the fall of the USSR, Russia and the west should have become allies once more. It has been a missed opportunity. That said, the emerging islamic menace may foster a new cooperation against a common enemy.
US and Russia could be working together to build some amazing jet/space technology. Not necessarily military. We need to break the world dependence on middle eastern oil, for example. Siberia and the arctic are ripe for exploration. It could be done in less than a decade.
I noticed that Russian fighter pilots tend to be older then other countries pilots. In Russia you see a lot of pilots that are even around 50 and maybe even over 50 still flying fighter aircraft, of course there is young pilots in Russia too, but mostly it's the older pilots flying the better newer aircraft. I just wonder how well these older pilots can hold their G's and for how long?. In other countries pilots tend to be between 22 to 35, you do see older pilots from time to time but they don't fly in combat anymore and they tend to be between 35 and 40 years old, but they're usually just instructors or air Base commanders.
Aquí en México solo tenemos aviones F5 y aunque no es muy común mirar cuando hacen sus maniobras por acá en Guadalajara meda gusto poder mirar como surcan el cielo de mí ciudad ami en lo personal me gustan los aviones Soviéticos como el legendario Mig 29 pero si pudiera mirar una exivicion aérea con un avión aunque está fuera con un avión De EU pues claro que me impresionaria bastante ya que en mi patria no se cuenta con esos aviones tan avanzados pero de la nación que sean los aviones me encantan en especial si son los aviones caza de velocidad supersonica o velocidad mach aquí en mi tierra me encantan mirar F5 son los tigres mis favoritos 👍.
Both the west and the soviets are saying that their aircrafts are more superior than the other..Both aircrafts are incredible in their capacity..reason why some are still fying in the 21 century and beyond..
The F-14 Tomcat was introduced in 1974 and was finally retired in 2006, so this documentary could be from way back to about 1978-79, not before this, the F-14 was brand new and the Navy do not like to show their new toy for, at least, three to four years before permitting the release of movie to the general public. One thing is for sure, the USSR fell in 1991, the Soviet constitution was dissolved BY Gorbachev and the Dumas and Boris Yeltsin became temporary president until the first free election in Russia. The Satellite Countries started to became independent after the fall of the Berlin Wall in November, 09 1989. Freedom Peace and Love to Humanity !
From my understanding of air to air combat the cobra maneuver is basically a death wish. You end up losing any energy the aircraft has including zero velocity while the enemy can easily maneuver into a position to destroy you. This is also true for excessive thrust vectoring which also destroys any energy you have. Also, when you factor in that modern fighters, for the most part, all have high off-bore-sight weapons the will simply supercruise by you at Mach 1.5 and launch missiles and your aircraft cannot maneuver at all because you have virtually no airspeed. So do the cobra maneuver and die.
I love it when the people actually involved in those projects talk about the science, engineering, design challenges they faced to make the planes work.None of that emotional bombastic exaggerated trash talk.
Because it's a serious profession.
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Excellent film. My father is Soviet Air Force colonel (ret.) He was flying during 32 years 62-94 years. Evenly on staff work. Planes was Migs.:mig 21 (all modifications ),mig 23 and several types before it.So thanks for film and hi from Ukraine !!!
At first I was gonna crack a joke about how soviets we're losers and Russia is bad... But then I read the last sentence about you being from Ukraine. I'm more interested in saying "Glory to Ukraine! 😁"
Funny how this doc shows artists impressions of the ATF, and now here we are again 30 years later with NGAD
Gawd, I love this video. Back in the late 1980s to the early 1990sI purchased this Aviation Week video on video tape. It is nice to know I can still watch it again, when I want to.
Was it fairly expensive ? I remember networks like A & E selling episodes of City Confidential for like $29.99 each (Canadian) !
@@adamfrazer5150 Back in 1990 I think I paid $49.99 plus shipping. It was worth it also it was video tape!
@@sebastien3351 right ! I think I have a couple special order VHS tapes in amongst my collection. I know what you mean though, despite the price, we just didn't have access to those special programs with the most interesting facts and info, so they were extremely valuable !
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Seeing them fly together was great, heart warming. Pilots are pilots, showing respect
Ahn respct..saluting all who served on ALL sides
BS.
STILL ONE OF MOST INTERESTING DOCUMENTARIES ABOUT AIR SUPERIORITY FIGHTERS,EVEN AFTER 30 YEARS.THAT TIMES AVIATION WEEK MAGAZINE,AND VIDEOS WAS AWESOME.
39:29
That's one state of the art workstation right there. Probably an 8MHz Mac? And that printer likely uses continuous form paper with the perforated edges. It's amazing to reflect on how much things have changed.
I remember watching Discovery Channel Wings around this time. I would see advertisements for VHS videos like this and others from Time-Life.
Miss those shows, wings, wings of the red star, now it's all bullshit...
Lately i been watching more & more VIDEOS OF EVERY WAR WE HAD...!!! And i learned about a few things that I NEVER KNEW...!!! So THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION IN THIS DOCUMENTARY...!!!
Just what the pilots said, the migs full potential was not shown to Canadian pilot . Respect to all "Fighter Pilots" . Training ,experience is the deal I could only imagine
I knew Valery E. Menitskiy he was a super pilot! He is "father" of the "Tail slide" ("The Bell") maneuver and one of several pilots who can do "The Cobra" maneuver on the MiG-29 with traditional hydraulic control system(without fly-by-wire)! He was first Soviet pilot who flew on MiG-29UB together with NATO pilot - major of the Canadian Air Force Bob Wade! Menitskiy was a big friend of the GENERAL Dynamics chief test pilot Kevin Dwyer and they flew together on F-16 and MiG-29,all western pilots who flew on MiG-29 or Su-27 told about Soviet fighters only the good things! You can find what Wade and Dwyer wrote about it. In early versions MiG-29 and Su-27 got simplified radars and it was planned that new PESA radars will be ready to 1992-93,but Soviet Union wss collapsed and all working on radars were stopped. After the crisis Russia made new radars for Su-27(N011 and N035 with PESA) and MiG-29(N010 with slot antenna) which are very good. Now Russian Su-30 and Su-35 are not badder than any versions of F-15 and MiG-29SMT and MiG-35(and deck-based version MiG-29KR/KUBR)than any version of F-16. Now Russian Su-57 ends all stages of the testing and soon will goes to mass production,Su-57 is very dangerous fighter and it's not badder than F-35 or F-22!
Agreed with most except the latter.
There is no mass production of SU57
You may be right on almost everything you said. Unbelievable how you can be well informed about many issues but totally misinformed about the trillion dollar flying piece of junk aka F35, that will never be combat ready. SU-30s and SU -35s upgraded with top notch avionics, radars and R 77 Vympel long range missiles are far superior in combat than the american trillion dollar disaster "invisible plane", US air force keeps downgrading its endless serious flaws for the sake of saving face. I believe the F 35 would be in grave danger in the case of confrontation with the russian dog fighting beast.
That MiG-29 just exudes a menacing elegance. So much beauty revealed in lethal purpose. What a plane. Reminds me of a coked up Russian ballerina.
more like cocked up the ass hahaha
That's why they got shot down in desert storm
@Kanwer Vikram No proof of the first, and in the second case, the AIM 120s were shot at the limit of their range, well into the escape zone, but they got their job done, scared the SU 30 away.
“..have had no reported encounters with each other.” Let’s keep it that way.
Good old days. Testpilots from two countries, who dont understand each other, flying together in 1 Jet "AT AN AIRSHOW"!!!
The 1990 date of the video should be taken into account ! (Time-Life Video/Air Power/Aviation Week and Space Technology, 1990)
Thanks for posting this!!
It IS nice to be able to "compare" the state of air-power then to now!
This was before the Gulf War and the Balkan Wars when some of these six fighters did go up against one another
@@aaronquak2139 who won?
@@SW-mv6fw Well as for the Yugoslavia war, it's complex. US and NATO certainly had air superiority as Mig21s and home made aircrafts were obsolete compared to our enemy, we did have some 4-5 Mig29s. Bought in '87 with no further upgrades and poorly maintained, 2 of them crashed due to the malfunction, barely seeing any fight. On contrary our AA defense did a very good job, shooting down F117 stealth bomber, being first ever to do so, also one F16, many drones and damaged some 15 various aircrafts. Some even say that B2 was shot down, truth is, something big did crash in Croatia, site was off limit for all except US army, as later stated by Croatian police and firefighters.
Thanks for this video, very good footage. Obviously, both nations think their machines are superior. All i can say its that those machines are the pinnacle of their respective military industrial complexes.
You're Welcome 🙂
Give the pilots the best tools and they will do the rest, even a poor pilot in a advanced aircraft is still a poor pilot, the best pilots with the best equipment should be the goal of any military Air Force.
Once upon a time, in a galaxy far far away.
Not going to lie, but that MiG-2000 artist’s concept looks bad ass!
45:18 The way the light hits the water as it splashes up makes it look like fire 🔥 is coming off the front wheel.
Good older video no discussion of todays fighters such as the F-22 or F-35 but happy discussed thrust vectoring at the end of the video .
You can tell all of these professionals are excited about the business they’re in. JETS.
I mean, how can you not be excited?
And hey, if they screw up, they go out in a blaze of glory, in a multimillion dollar coffin.
In this documentary you have a bunch of guys talking sense. Just using plain words to show honest respect about each other no matter what flag they’re flying.I like that part of it almost as much as I like watching the Jets
Of all the jets in the air. the F-16 Falcon is the one plain I would love to fly. I think its the fastest most nimble aircraft and it just slices through the sky, but those Russian planes are also very formidable jets. Especially the Mig-29.
Different beast. Russian jets are rugged and are beasts. Different than the American planes that are more of a warfighting scalpel.
Seeing how that jet gets flattened at 20:18 really puts some perspective to how much thrust these aircraft have... That was brutal
Its called gravity
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Sukhoi Su-30 MKM..
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Ok lets put it this way...did you see those old tv sets next to that guybnear the end around 50 minutes. ... the tv sets vs the touchnscreen display ? Thats how far advanced these jets were... think what they have now that we have touch tv
Who could have known those demonstrator F15 engines would be used in the F22.
Beautiful documentary for Cold War fanatics like myself that still simulate naval warfare of that period in Harpoon.
G'day mate,could you please tell me about"HARPOON", thanks.
@@BenjaminRowe-hc7uo en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpoon_(video_game)
This is very old video since they still talked about Mig-29 with hydraulic controls. Nowadays, all the aircraft either from Russia or U.S are equipped with fly-by-wire.
So nice to see a real honest unbias documentary not supporting either side many thanks for posting
Cold war era had its own beauty...
This was so good. Like a time capsule. Talked about the ATF program like it was brand new. And they debated stealth. The F-117 hadn’t dominated in the Gulf War yet.
several F117,s were shot down in Iraq by radar guided anti air defences long before they reached their targets. So much for stealth lol.
Sorry, lies aren't acceptable on a public forum.
@@cliffbird5016 You are a moron. Only one f117 has ever been shot down. Please if you are going to include yourself in adult conversations then please at least try to appear more intelligent than a rock
@@cliffbird5016 3 out of over 5,000 sorties 🤦♂️
19:55 While his rationale is correct, that twin engines close together is better than apart on the case of engine failure, that didn't help that Canadian F-18 that was practicing a demo flight. Like in the case of the MiG-29 crash he mentions, the failure of one engine caused the F-18 to veer to the side and crash, just like what happened with the MiG.
Хорошо, если вы положите вектор тяги в учетную запись, то разделение двигателя может быть полезным при маневрировании самолета, в случае отказа двигателя это может привести к вращению самолета
There are other factors at play too. Adding a second engine is costly. If you can buy 30% more planes because they're single engine, that has a value of its own.
Really enjoyed that. Informative and technical. Great video. 👍🏻
You're Welcome 🙂
Excellent Video and now we enter 6th generation stealth mode.
As an ex- USAF - enjoyed this very much ...
l LOVE the F-14. just a beautiful looking plane
Probably the best lookin' warplane ever built.
@@Ryenobal it was my opinion as well, way back in time, but today something in it looks "not right" in my eye... dunno exactly wat's that, maybe this funny bright "shoulders" on a wings leading edge...
F-15 is imo much more pretty in proportions and lines...
@@Ryenobal
That'd be the F-16. Who ever heard of a cat with two tails?
Alan Yesilipek su27 is all so very sexy
I readily agree. F-14 Tomcat is a mean looking machine. It's rather old and being the first to look like this , ( I believe) it seems to stick in ones mind as still futuristic looking. The SU-27 is also a mean looking monster.
at 31:55 it is actually an CF-18 , the Canadian version of the F/A-18 Hornet
vwbora26 Canada? Never heard of her.
@@SoulCalify She is Beautiful
@@coleleo1 watch out for bears tho, you might think you're in Russia for a second.
Thank God for sanity that produced this Brilliant n unbias documentary honest fair n informative, so unlike ours are he best n anyone's else are crap thanks for uploading cheers
I think the Su-27 and up, and even the MiG-29 look cooler than our legacy planes. I love the frontal look seeing those huge engine intakes.
Absolutely. 👍 but our chief guys were saying the SU 27 was lacking in attention to detail? Hopefully he was thinking electrical, because mechanics, and looks the SU 27 pulls all stops. The MIG 29 is the little brother, but it's a mean one too.
@@SoloCrimeWave
Have you ever seen some close up photos of the Su-57? From 20 feet or further back, it looks like a beautiful masterpiece. But I've seen a couple of photos up close where it shows some of the skin panels around the back have huge, bulging rivets and the craftsmanship looks a bit crude. That is compared to the way it looks from 20 feet away, there it looks perfect. Just a possibility maybe?
@@bryanrussell6679 I've always had a great respect for fighter jets since a child. The SUKHOI 27 is my favorite. I have never seen one up close. Just the U.S. fighters. I own one extra scale SU 27 turbine powered RC version (8ft length), and two Eflite twin 70mm EDF jets (about 6ft in length) that I fly on the weekends as a hobby. I would love to see one of them at an air show. That would be awesome!
@@SoloCrimeWave that sounds really cool.
This was one well balanced study presentation. Don't listen to Nigerians, they're no better than Nigerian Scam 419.
Americans have goo fighter jets, Russian have goo fighter jets too, let's hope that we won't witness a life combat between them!
Work together, prosper together, be friends, after all we're all humans of Planet Earth !
That is true..both sides have very capable aircraft ,though the 1 area americans are better is experienced pilots in combat in modern warfare.........but as this video is old all the new aircraft are now old as well except the F-35.and some new Mig's
You´ve said it all! Amen!
Why can't they play to see who's better. Yes i know the pilots has a large part in this equation. They can use missiles that doesn't detonate for those aircrafts that suposibly can out maneuver missiles. They need to have another Red October.
"In this era of Glasnot" well that's a throwback
more like perestrojka :)
In 1992 a group of two Russian Su 27s and one IL 76 made a visit to Headquarters ATC in Virginia. After they reached Langley, Virginia, there was held a training session over the Atlantic Ocean, approx. 200 km away from the coast. The training session, "mock dogfight”, included at least two fights between Su 27 and F15 as these jet fighters's characteristics are very similar and both American and Russian aces desired to test the planes of their potential opponents. All fights were won by Su 27 pilots. Ten years later, in 2002, one of the 94FS pilots, Tom Murphy, tried to annul the results of those mock dogfights stating that the fights were not held according to the fighter community rules and making up various reasons to explain the defeat of F15s.
On their way back home Russian pilots almost lost both jet fighters as the engines on both aircrafts suddenly stopped working. The reason why the engines stalled was the American fuel quality. Russian Su 27s could not work properly as American operating personnel filled both Su 27s with unsuitable fuel, the density of which was much thinner than needed. On their way to the US border Su 27 pilots were told by American colleagues to fly over a thunderstorm. Having reached the altitude of 13 km both Su 27s started to fall down. The Russian pilots while preparing to eject asked American pilots accompanying Su 27s to the border to stay on the spot so that they could inform the rescue team about the location of the disaster that could've occured. The crew of IL 76 was unaware of the Su 27s' situation as IL 76 was going around the thunderstorm and was a long distance from the two Russian jet fighters. So, US F15 pilots were the only ones who could help. American aces just giggled in response and flew away keeping absolute silence. None of the pilots or the operating staff was sustained to any penalties later even though the accident was reported to their command. Luckily at the alt. 2-3 km Su 27s' engines revived.
F-16 & SU27 are best looking planes
Yup both great jets and great countries
I'd throw in the f5 Tiger for a good old cold war nostalgia
@@xxcxpl Hell yes
Great documentary. They are all still here except The Tomcat F14.
Time life video... Wow, talk about a walk down nostalgia Lane.
I worked on the f- 14 tomcat project canopy's & arming switch's best time ever !!!
The level of detail in this video. Wow.
It's funny watching that now knowing what the F-22 looks like. I think the engines they showed there are the Pratt and Whitney engines on the F-22.
Just a note on the cobra. Swedish pilots first performed this maneuver in the Saab Draken back in the 1960's. You can find film of it online.
@FooBar Maximus Interesting. How would a prop' plane perform it?
Thanks. 😊
@@mrdfac Lol. It was an innovative airplane. It was like a combo of a double Delta wing/cranked arrow design. Looks crazy from the top or bottom
@@Josh-hr5mc Yes, but it is pretty. Looks are what counts in this world. ;)
Disregard the video, what do this guys know about jets and dogfights. Instead, read the comment section, where the ... REAL 'experts' are.
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Lol that's good one
No doubt
Absolutely...... It's in a you tube video so it must be gospel. Hahahahahaha!
one "funny" thing - There was a major article in one of the few Polish magazines about airplanes: "Skrzydlata Polska"
in 1984 (very hard times under Military Junta of Jaruzelski governed Poland (and still under Soviet boots) - article describing F-16 in details any aviation hobbyist could have only imagined /especially at that time/ - drawings, params, etc... Since then I have some growing respect for F-16, knowing her age...
btw, Polish Army NOW still uses them... perhaps we, as a poor Poland, had no f**ng choice...
I miss flying the Viper. I wish everyone could get the opportunity for at least one ride along in their life.
Nice video! Enjoyed it!
col.Burowski(ussa)is the most honest,,clear view of purpose of soviet beasts,no bias
The whole point of stealth enabled strike is to simply ignore air to air threats.
I like the fact that the US pilots let the MIG leading the pack,i'm sure,they want to have a good look at it in flight and discretely film the plane,from all angles..!!!,and i'm sure US pilots"secretly love RUSSIAN Fighter-Planes.
We actually had a few migs, and an American test pilot just died from crashing one recently, apparently he was trying to pull a corbra..
@@satchpersaud8762 apparently he played with king Cobra and that's the case.
The F16 has always been the best looking fighter jet.
I'm kinda particle to the F-14 since I was on a carrier with them
Best looking US fighter. Everything after the SU27 looks much better than the F16
@@boikanyoonneng9170
The F16 it’s tops because it looks like a bird of prey with that sharp beak wings and tail. I do like the Russian jets and they are impressive at the airshows.
Too bad the world can't just make jet fighters an Olympic sport.
Maybe the world can .. in a while.
- There could be world peace(ish) - and old military stuff made "sports" for - entertainment morale boost whatever - maybe to make the militaries less unhappy about being put of job..
- There could be new kind of division where powers that can make fighter aircrafts are on one side .. so for development making it a sport could have an advantage
- Even if nothing changes much - it might still be viable. It's not like they'd had to use live ammo and such . .While fighters are considered strategically important their capabilities are somewhat secret.. But ti could be that human piloted aircrafts become more of a backup or symbolic unit (if not already)..
I don't think it's likely that it would happen anytime soon that military grade fighters would be competing in global open competitions "sportily" (for glory wins in fair bouts rather than just for show and sales) .
True that!
Anyway. Why didn’t Libya deploy any TIE Interceptors??
watch the move: the sky crawlers
@FreeTime Player *And Formula 1 racing isn't?*
The Russians would win all medals
SU-27: Have just made a Cobra
Draken: Am I a joke to you?
At 47:45 they are talking about the f22 raptor...but didn't even know the name yet.
I noticed the same. Although pilot machismo is rampant, they have been there. After all, warplanes were made for war, and wars are made for warriors.
what they really mean to say and keep hitting the point almost is that even 50 years ago with world war two the original migs were fun and hard to shoot down then and they are now.Both the u.s and Russia have made the best multi role fighters since world war 2
I was there at the Farborough Airshow in 1990. Seeing the Cobra maneuver was awesome, to say the least, but I thought, if he is going that slow when a missile is on its way, no slow maneuver was going to help him.
I love this documentary thank so much
5:23 Major Roger Healey from I Dream of Jeanie...got promoted. Good for him!
great timing. I just smoked a bowl!
I’m thinking the same thing.😂😂😂🤣
5:12 growling sidewinder’s intro audio
These days nothing can come even close in comparison to the USA Raptor F22...
G'day mate,how does the Eurofighter "typhoon" compare to the f-22"Raptor"?,I love em' both,ta.🇦🇺🇺🇲🇬🇧🫡
@BenjaminRowe-hc7uo Yes, both amazing planes.. I forgot about that one.
Hey, is that the growling sidewinder intro?
Once they merge, the F18 will have it's hands full!
F15 and the su27 flanker, damn..
can't believe they missed the MiG-31. Or the Soviet just didn't wanna show that beast at that time
35:30 is all about the mig-31
well F-15 and F/A-18 encontered mig-29 in desert storm and F/A-18 is an Fighter/atacker
beat me to it
F/A-18 never tangled with a Mig-29 in any war. As a mater of fact an F/A-18 got shot down by an Iraqi Mig-25 Foxbat during Desert Storm. Its the F-16 that shot down Serbian Mig-29s as did the F-15 both Iraqi and Serbian.
@@265justy but if you know how to read you would understand that I never said the f/a-18 shot down a mig-29. I said they faced each other in battle.
@@vwbora26 They never came head to head in a real conflict. They probably faced off against each other in friendly exercises. Polish, ex Luftwaffe, Malaysian, Indian 29s faced various western airforce, Nato and Aussie F/A-18s in simulated dogfights.. That's it.
@@265justy i'm pretty sure F/A-18s droped bombs on parked Migs on the ground
Thrust vectoring of the SU family is truly unmatched worldwide
THOSE TIMES FIGHTERS WAS VERY BEAUTIFUL,LIKE F-14 TOMCAT.
Mig 25 still unbeaten!! Most Americans don’t get it’s a space craft and fighter
Iranian F-14 already shutdown many MIG 25s in1980 to 1988 conflict. Google Iranian Tomcats in war.
This F-16 is the only plane that was flown real well by my brother Charles King Parsons, he flew it for many years
The only USAF Academy person who did this much piloting is my brother
I am Kent Cole Parsons we are just a year apart in age
Informative and direct match is needed
Fact remains that with the fall of the USSR, Russia and the west should have become allies once more. It has been a missed opportunity. That said, the emerging islamic menace may foster a new cooperation against a common enemy.
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i like your thinking, but... politics is a dirty cover for criminal activities, and for enemies of a humankind... and it's so sad...
Gun lobby's never allow it! They need a enemy!!!
Well nice thinking, but what does it have too do with iet technology 😁
US and Russia could be working together to build some amazing jet/space technology. Not necessarily military. We need to break the world dependence on middle eastern oil, for example. Siberia and the arctic are ripe for exploration. It could be done in less than a decade.
I noticed that Russian fighter pilots tend to be older then other countries pilots. In Russia you see a lot of pilots that are even around 50 and maybe even over 50 still flying fighter aircraft, of course there is young pilots in Russia too, but mostly it's the older pilots flying the better newer aircraft. I just wonder how well these older pilots can hold their G's and for how long?. In other countries pilots tend to be between 22 to 35, you do see older pilots from time to time but they don't fly in combat anymore and they tend to be between 35 and 40 years old, but they're usually just instructors or air Base commanders.
Aquí en México solo tenemos aviones F5 y aunque no es muy común mirar cuando hacen sus maniobras por acá en Guadalajara meda gusto poder mirar como surcan el cielo de mí ciudad ami en lo personal me gustan los aviones Soviéticos como el legendario Mig 29 pero si pudiera mirar una exivicion aérea con un avión aunque está fuera con un avión De EU pues claro que me impresionaria bastante ya que en mi patria no se cuenta con esos aviones tan avanzados pero de la nación que sean los aviones me encantan en especial si son los aviones caza de velocidad supersonica o velocidad mach aquí en mi tierra me encantan mirar F5 son los tigres mis favoritos 👍.
Very interesting indeed. Thank you.
Ya we had the Soviets beat. Fast forward to today and we have even more amazing fighters that can even have fighter drones with it. Wow!
Like hydrogin...advanced saltwater.drones.( wales). Pockets of ayre 2 mi wide buckets of.......underfleets BATH
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8.30 you can tell by his face he is lieing. F 15 more manoeuvrable than Su 27 lol
Both the west and the soviets are saying that their aircrafts are more superior than the other..Both aircrafts are incredible in their capacity..reason why some are still fying in the 21 century and beyond..
Here we are in 2021 and we’re still flying these planes.
Really. The plane. Tomcat is very bright. It made my country save from failure. I love Tomcat. ، 😘😘😘❤️❤️❤️🌹🌹
wow the 90s computer voice is kinda better than todays ones
I miss the Cold War.. loved the competition of who could build it better
Or duplacate..it..reskinned
If it still going when "Star Wars" becomes a terrible reality, it's even hard to imagine how bad it would be.
The F-14 Tomcat was introduced in 1974 and was finally retired in 2006, so this documentary could be from way back to about 1978-79, not before this, the F-14 was brand new and the Navy do not like to show their new toy for, at least, three to four years before permitting the release of movie to the general public. One thing is for sure, the USSR fell in 1991, the Soviet constitution was dissolved BY Gorbachev and the Dumas and Boris Yeltsin became temporary president until the first free election in Russia. The Satellite Countries started to became independent after the fall of the Berlin Wall in November, 09 1989. Freedom Peace and Love to Humanity !
I'm thinking this was made before the Balkans conflict where F-15's and Mig-29"s did make contact.
How did that work out?
@@garbennett4758 Mig-29 lost
9:33 I'm guessing we didn't pick this up from Blockbuster...
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very interesting video
Stellar documentary with comments from the actual designers of the planes.
All the F-117 are mothballed and crated up sitting at Nellis AFB, NV
Your so wrong
From my understanding of air to air combat the cobra maneuver is basically a death wish. You end up losing any energy the aircraft has including zero velocity while the enemy can easily maneuver into a position to destroy you. This is also true for excessive thrust vectoring which also destroys any energy you have. Also, when you factor in that modern fighters, for the most part, all have high off-bore-sight weapons the will simply supercruise by you at Mach 1.5 and launch missiles and your aircraft cannot maneuver at all because you have virtually no airspeed. So do the cobra maneuver and die.
Cobra doesn't work in real combat
Most excellent
sounds like it's time to break out the new models tr 3b
so cobra was pre thrust vectoring?
Don't really care which jet is better. I just personally think the Russian jets are awesome looking.
now, both McDonell Douglas and Mikoyan has disappeared. No one can predict the future, especially the economic version. ^)