$600 for this is crazy, basically took head angle adjustment technique they've been using on mountain bikes for a decade and adapted it to motorcycles. Nothing more than cups machined at a slight angle and either custom made or sourced bearings that are smaller to make room and a cheap titanium washer. I understand you have to pay for the engineering but even $300 for this is a bit much.
This is the price for being first to market to the public. Like anything, I'd expect other manufacturers to jump onto this, and eventually the price will drop down. The price currently needs to be created to offset the potential in low sales (ironically). Also given that this is a relatively boutique part, I assume the cost to manufacture each part isn't all that low. Keep in mind, this is a critical component, so quality should always be the first priority.
@kylejo96 That statistic only reinforces the reason behind the price point. However; on that note, I highly doubt that this product is marketed towards the majority of consumers in the industry. The MTB industry saw an average of 40% market growth per annum, between 2021 and 2023 (effects of covid) and generally stead growth at approx 5% per annum since 2016 before that, and the popularity of angle adjustment headsets was never high. At the end of the day, again I reiterate this is clearly a boutique item, however I would expect at lest one or two other brands to throw their hat into the ring. Reality is, the price is justifiable to the right person.
@@jomacba avg consumer costs driving down purchases and travel...I'd say sure yeah a few wealthy guys will try it... will the patent holder get rich? Highly doubtful
We've been doing this in Supermoto for YEARS. Husqvarna had it adjustable on their Stock Frame in 2006 - 2009 on the Husqvarna SM 450 RR / 530 RR Last few years we have had Razorback Steering Stem Races to steepen the angle by 1,3° Theres also rake adjustable triple clamps the like the Nuova Faor with which you can just adjust the rake by turning a hex screw, -1,5° to +1,5°. I am using that one on my racebike actually. Sorry, nothing new ;) Has been done for almost 20 Years and available to the public
The tech geek side of me loves this, the practice side of me laughs because a majority of riders don't even set their sag, yet alone will take the time to test races and feel the difference for $500+.
Sag is everything. People always tell me they can’t get settled at the track and the bike feels uncomfortable under them. I say “Did you set your sag?” 9/10 they haven’t set it and or don’t know what I’m talking about.
@@Steezy_Mx exactly! they know they have the possibility to set clicks and co. but they don't even know where to start from. All manufacturer's technicians are crying when hearing that!
Wasn't this done years ago with eccentric stem adjustment on triple clamps? Seems a lot easier than taking the front end off to make an adjustment, and near the same price.
MXA guys complained about vague front end and tested reduced offset triples on YZs for years. Yamaha finally fixes this and MXA slackens the rake. LOL.
wow we finally have caught up to 1975!! amazing!!! sorry can am beat you to that by decades. and, for every Mossman who could feel that there are 5,000,000 riders who can't. seen too many riders try to buy there way to greatness, and make the sport overpriced and out of reach.
$600 is way too much for bearings and race cup......even $300 sounds steep but thought it would be high $200s....I wouldnt buy a bike that this issue to begin with.....once you start down a rabbit hole you'll second guess eveything about the bike
As a fabricator I would also mention that the stem no longer follows the centerline of the steering tube. It is aft of the centerline at the top and forward of it at the bottom making use of the OEM clearances to change the stem angle. Great idea, but wow what a greedy f$&ker. No way around that truth
The bearing race bores in the steering stem are bored parallel at yamaha. Bearing journals on the steering stem are not parallel if you are shifting the top bearing back(or forward) so the upper bearing floats in the race?
How in the world can anybody say it was Seth hammaker's fault in the start crash? Haiden completely cut across the track just before the turn way too late for anybody to see him (total Vince friese shit move). Unbelievable that anybody thinks it was the fault of an innocent rider just trying to avoid the riders close to him then gets blind sided by an outta control Yamaha from the outside. The kids got great talent but he has a lot of maturing to do on and off the track
Are you sure about what you are saying at the 8:05 mark? I don't think OFFSET changes the ANGLE. If so please explain how. And good lord get the right tools. Channel locks and a thrashed stem nut, come on. Also, do you remember the concentric axles that used to be all the rage?
The headset bearings are smaller than stock and set in aluminum split rings. They won't be as durable as stock. That has to be one of the most confused explanations I have seen. If Jodi can explain it, then why not let him do it? Rake refers to the angle of the steering stem which is usually, but doesn't have to be the same as the angle of the fork tubes. The reference line can be either a horizontal or a vertical line. I've seen it both ways. Trail is the distance from where a line drawn through the center of the steering stem intersects the ground to the center of the front tire's contact patch.
Those two other riders looked like they were bumped off track. Deegan had a rider #93 in the way trying to straighten up so instead of following that rider he just skipped the track. Cheating at its finest they should bring in stop go penalties for such blatant truck cutting because it has been happening more often and the advantage they gain can have a huge effect on the overall outcome of the race. Deegan would not have been in the position to pass shock if he had not cut the track.
How are you running those bars that far back on that bike. I’m 6’2 and I cannot get up over the front on my yz450 without putting the bar mounts all the way forward. Weird how that’s what caught my eye throughout the whole deal. Lol.
@@granttcombss honest question because I’m chasing rider triangle setup, how are you even able to stand up without using your arms to pull up to get over the front? I have a close friend I race with watching my body position so I know I’m personally jacked up on the yamaha. I have excellent form on the ktm. I have a long torso and long legs. Average arms. Ktm rider triangle vs yamaha triangle (bars rear hole flipped forwards on the yamaha) ktm is Luxon mounts rear hole flipped forwards. The ktm when I stand up I just use my legs, pivot and I’m stood up and over the front. The yamaha i have to do a big muscle up pull-up because of the peg to hip to bar relation. Takes way more body English to achieve. I end up sitting a lot more and when I stand I’m less aggressive. I prefer the yamaha over all to my ktm so I’m working on trying to replicate the rider triangle so I can get comfortable on the blue bike. I’d prefer my bars centerline on the yamaha but I haven’t been able to achieve proper attack position unless they’re max forwards. I’m considering moving the pegs further back and further down after a few more hours of testing on bars full forwards. So far hasn’t felt much different other than helping me get standing easier and inducing less arm pump but I haven’t had a destroyed track to test front end twitch on either although I am used to the bars slamming the stops on occasion anyways as I tend to run my forks sucked up in the clamps on most bikes.
200-300 is way better priced lol you are high if you think you are going to sell a lot of those, rather spend the little extra money at that point and get triple clamps that do the same thing and look good too 😂😂😂 ridiculous!
Are you stupid xtrig clamps do the same shit you can change from 20-22mm of offset I had them on my yz250 it is the same concept as this lol it moves the rack of the front end back or forward same as xtrig rocs clamps.
@@YZinger.244 well that’s your opinion and it’s valid. However, if you ask a machinist how much to machine you an offset race like that, you’d find out that price isn’t all that unreasonable. It’s not 1995 anymore. It might be more than you want to spend but you have to pay the machinist if you want cool stuff.
@@user-mo8tm4jw2l yeah but lower price the more that will be sold you’ll make more money versus higher price and less sales cause of pricing being to high. Just my thought ya know
Lol love this video! Jody and my dad have been discussing this topic for 40 years that I feel like Im an expert on it. now. Surprised you never used the shopping cart example!!
Tell Chris to please make some product for older bikes! The oldest KTM’s they make parts for is 2018.5. Some of us bought older bikes so we could afford to really trick them out and customize them! -cough- 2013 KTM 200XC-W please -cough- Great video, Josh!
I bought some offset head tube cups for my mtb years ago to slack out the head tube angle for better handling for downhill riding. Got them from a company in England . Slacked the head angle from 68 degrees to 66.5 degrees.
Well yeah, Bultaco did this for the flat-trackers, Ossa on some models, CanAm, Ducati on the 1090RR, Aprilia and as mentioned the Husky SM's to mention just a few, we were using them on the AJS Stormer back in the day. You need bearings which tolerate the mis-alignment but they have been available for probably centuries.
Not surprised that this has been a common product in mountain biking , they cost more than most motorcycles 😅 . This will definitely help some bikes a ton though 🎉
$600 for this is crazy, basically took head angle adjustment technique they've been using on mountain bikes for a decade and adapted it to motorcycles. Nothing more than cups machined at a slight angle and either custom made or sourced bearings that are smaller to make room and a cheap titanium washer. I understand you have to pay for the engineering but even $300 for this is a bit much.
This is the price for being first to market to the public. Like anything, I'd expect other manufacturers to jump onto this, and eventually the price will drop down. The price currently needs to be created to offset the potential in low sales (ironically). Also given that this is a relatively boutique part, I assume the cost to manufacture each part isn't all that low. Keep in mind, this is a critical component, so quality should always be the first priority.
30% decrease in new bike sales says this wont be a hot seller @jomacba
@kylejo96 That statistic only reinforces the reason behind the price point. However; on that note, I highly doubt that this product is marketed towards the majority of consumers in the industry. The MTB industry saw an average of 40% market growth per annum, between 2021 and 2023 (effects of covid) and generally stead growth at approx 5% per annum since 2016 before that, and the popularity of angle adjustment headsets was never high. At the end of the day, again I reiterate this is clearly a boutique item, however I would expect at lest one or two other brands to throw their hat into the ring. Reality is, the price is justifiable to the right person.
@@jomacba the bike boom is over
@@jomacba avg consumer costs driving down purchases and travel...I'd say sure yeah a few wealthy guys will try it... will the patent holder get rich? Highly doubtful
I was really excited until the u said the cost , I was thinking 300 ish 6 is way too much
Purchasing an offset ad said is a lot more expensive then this
We've been doing this in Supermoto for YEARS.
Husqvarna had it adjustable on their Stock Frame in 2006 - 2009 on the Husqvarna SM 450 RR / 530 RR
Last few years we have had Razorback Steering Stem Races to steepen the angle by 1,3°
Theres also rake adjustable triple clamps the like the Nuova Faor with which you can just adjust the rake by turning a hex screw, -1,5° to +1,5°. I am using that one on my racebike actually.
Sorry, nothing new ;) Has been done for almost 20 Years and available to the public
Can-Am had it back in the '70s.
The tech geek side of me loves this, the practice side of me laughs because a majority of riders don't even set their sag, yet alone will take the time to test races and feel the difference for $500+.
It’s not a issue if time… it’s an issue of skill to notice the difference…
Didn't he say 599 lol
Sag is everything. People always tell me they can’t get settled at the track and the bike feels uncomfortable under them. I say “Did you set your sag?” 9/10 they haven’t set it and or don’t know what I’m talking about.
@@Steezy_Mx exactly! they know they have the possibility to set clicks and co. but they don't even know where to start from. All manufacturer's technicians are crying when hearing that!
Dropping your forks through the tripple clamps gives you way more then 0.3 degrees of angle adjustability and it’s free.
Did he say 599 for a bearing yikes
Bring back a national to glen helen!!!!!!! AGAIN AMA SUCKS A$$!
I would say Davey Coombs not AMA is the big reason. He is a Greedy A-Hole.
Huge congrats to Michael…Star Yamaha is the big time… much luck to him..
Wasn't this done years ago with eccentric stem adjustment on triple clamps?
Seems a lot easier than taking the front end off to make an adjustment, and near the same price.
MXA guys complained about vague front end and tested reduced offset triples on YZs for years. Yamaha finally fixes this and MXA slackens the rake.
LOL.
Thinking the exact same thing haha
wow we finally have caught up to 1975!! amazing!!! sorry can am beat you to that by decades. and, for every Mossman who could feel that there are 5,000,000 riders who can't. seen too many riders try to buy there way to greatness, and make the sport overpriced and out of reach.
$600 is way too much for bearings and race cup......even $300 sounds steep but thought it would be high $200s....I wouldnt buy a bike that this issue to begin with.....once you start down a rabbit hole you'll second guess eveything about the bike
Been waiting for someone to manufacturers this simple way to change the angles
Hahahahahaha $600s what a joke
More things to buy for a $12k 450cc bike. Im good.
As a fabricator I would also mention that the stem no longer follows the centerline of the steering tube. It is aft of the centerline at the top and forward of it at the bottom making use of the OEM clearances to change the stem angle. Great idea, but wow what a greedy f$&ker. No way around that truth
the price for this is just ridiculous
more crap you dont need
Nice click bait
$600 lol
The bearing race bores in the steering stem are bored parallel at yamaha. Bearing journals on the steering stem are not parallel if you are shifting the top bearing back(or forward) so the upper bearing floats in the race?
How in the world can anybody say it was Seth hammaker's fault in the start crash? Haiden completely cut across the track just before the turn way too late for anybody to see him (total Vince friese shit move). Unbelievable that anybody thinks it was the fault of an innocent rider just trying to avoid the riders close to him then gets blind sided by an outta control Yamaha from the outside. The kids got great talent but he has a lot of maturing to do on and off the track
This was a standard feature on the 1974 Can Am. Gary Jones can tell you all about it.
Coming from 20 years if racing MTB, this is huge!
Are you sure about what you are saying at the 8:05 mark? I don't think OFFSET changes the ANGLE. If so please explain how. And good lord get the right tools. Channel locks and a thrashed stem nut, come on. Also, do you remember the concentric axles that used to be all the rage?
Do you leave stock bearing at bottom? How many decrees its compared to stock?
$600.00 for a couple of bearings and a set of offset inserts...wow...
Wow 6 bills is highway robbery for that. Cool product, but man 300 tops
Can- am did that stock 50 years ago
The headset bearings are smaller than stock and set in aluminum split rings. They won't be as durable as stock. That has to be one of the most confused explanations I have seen. If Jodi can explain it, then why not let him do it? Rake refers to the angle of the steering stem which is usually, but doesn't have to be the same as the angle of the fork tubes. The reference line can be either a horizontal or a vertical line. I've seen it both ways. Trail is the distance from where a line drawn through the center of the steering stem intersects the ground to the center of the front tire's contact patch.
Those two other riders looked like they were bumped off track. Deegan had a rider #93 in the way trying to straighten up so instead of following that rider he just skipped the track. Cheating at its finest they should bring in stop go penalties for such blatant truck cutting because it has been happening more often and the advantage they gain can have a huge effect on the overall outcome of the race. Deegan would not have been in the position to pass shock if he had not cut the track.
being a expert at bike setup and suspension this is a total waste for most people.
money can never buy ability.
Not new. 70's Kawi's had this feature, I believe.
How are you running those bars that far back on that bike. I’m 6’2 and I cannot get up over the front on my yz450 without putting the bar mounts all the way forward. Weird how that’s what caught my eye throughout the whole deal. Lol.
I'm 6'4 and I always put them as far back as possible. all the way forward is way too twitchy for me.
@@granttcombss honest question because I’m chasing rider triangle setup, how are you even able to stand up without using your arms to pull up to get over the front? I have a close friend I race with watching my body position so I know I’m personally jacked up on the yamaha. I have excellent form on the ktm. I have a long torso and long legs. Average arms. Ktm rider triangle vs yamaha triangle (bars rear hole flipped forwards on the yamaha) ktm is Luxon mounts rear hole flipped forwards. The ktm when I stand up I just use my legs, pivot and I’m stood up and over the front. The yamaha i have to do a big muscle up pull-up because of the peg to hip to bar relation. Takes way more body English to achieve. I end up sitting a lot more and when I stand I’m less aggressive. I prefer the yamaha over all to my ktm so I’m working on trying to replicate the rider triangle so I can get comfortable on the blue bike.
I’d prefer my bars centerline on the yamaha but I haven’t been able to achieve proper attack position unless they’re max forwards. I’m considering moving the pegs further back and further down after a few more hours of testing on bars full forwards. So far hasn’t felt much different other than helping me get standing easier and inducing less arm pump but I haven’t had a destroyed track to test front end twitch on either although I am used to the bars slamming the stops on occasion anyways as I tend to run my forks sucked up in the clamps on most bikes.
200-300 is way better priced lol you are high if you think you are going to sell a lot of those, rather spend the little extra money at that point and get triple clamps that do the same thing and look good too 😂😂😂 ridiculous!
Clamps absolutely don’t do the same thing. Did you listen at all or just go straight to the price to complain.
Are you stupid xtrig clamps do the same shit you can change from 20-22mm of offset I had them on my yz250 it is the same concept as this lol it moves the rack of the front end back or forward same as xtrig rocs clamps.
Okay nvm this makes sense now that I watched it again 😂😅 still tho not worth 600
@@YZinger.244 well that’s your opinion and it’s valid. However, if you ask a machinist how much to machine you an offset race like that, you’d find out that price isn’t all that unreasonable. It’s not 1995 anymore. It might be more than you want to spend but you have to pay the machinist if you want cool stuff.
@@user-mo8tm4jw2l yeah but lower price the more that will be sold you’ll make more money versus higher price and less sales cause of pricing being to high. Just my thought ya know
This has been available and u can slide shocks up and down to do that some as well
I’ve been using flipped XTrig clamps for years to turn sharper
Let's go
That crash was 100% on Deegan.
Coolest mxa vid ever.
Mit einer Xtrig Rocs Gabelbrücke kann man den Winkel auch verändern
I had this on my downhill 2010 Scott Gambler back in the day. Making the forks a slacker angle on steep tracks was great for feel/confidence.
Yamaha changed the YZ450F front engine mount in 2023. It previously was a single piece, but was changed to two layers. This makes it half as stiff.
great video! to be honest in spain this is normal thing to have( supermoto bike, wich is a mx bikes with diferent wheels, this is normal to do!)
that's comforting, the expert thats making them has been confused for 20 years.😂
Lol love this video! Jody and my dad have been discussing this topic for 40 years that I feel like Im an expert on it. now. Surprised you never used the shopping cart example!!
For it being 600$ compared to thousands for triple clamps it’s a huge thing for privateer racers
thats bad ass! So was the thumbnail! Made you click!!😆😆🤣😆🤣🤙
Tell Chris to please make some product for older bikes! The oldest KTM’s they make parts for is 2018.5. Some of us bought older bikes so we could afford to really trick them out and customize them! -cough- 2013 KTM 200XC-W please -cough- Great video, Josh!
I’ve done so many mods over the years and most of them I can’t even tell the difference. I guess I’m just not good enough 🤷♂️
I bought some offset head tube cups for my mtb years ago to slack out the head tube angle for better handling for downhill riding. Got them from a company in England . Slacked the head angle from 68 degrees to 66.5 degrees.
Can Am had this feature as an option back in the day. It wasn't very popular so the discontinued it as an option. Great video!
Well yeah, Bultaco did this for the flat-trackers, Ossa on some models, CanAm, Ducati on the 1090RR, Aprilia and as mentioned the Husky SM's to mention just a few, we were using them on the AJS Stormer back in the day. You need bearings which tolerate the mis-alignment but they have been available for probably centuries.
No way more than 250 maybe 300 tops if you really need it.
Not surprised that this has been a common product in mountain biking , they cost more than most motorcycles 😅 . This will definitely help some bikes a ton though 🎉
Nothing could be as strong and long lasting as oem setup tho. I wonder how much quicker this must wear
You both sound really Swedish 😂
Didn’t Can-Am have this years ago?
Wicked stuff. Cool!
We need a diagram
Brilliant idea.
Plessinger will love this part cause he loves his bike chop out. It does look intriguing.💣🤙🇺🇸🙏💯✌️👊👍