I like how you John represent the long time Sonic fan and Elliot represents a newer one in this review. It's always nice to have more than one perspective.
I actually did look into the legend of king Arthur for a while, and it was in fact the scabbard that gave him immortality. With the legend's definition of immortality being the same as being invincible. He couldn't even get scratched, and from what I remember, when Merlin told him that after Arthur was finished with his first battle using the sword and coming out unscathed Arthur was a little upset, since he felt like he cheated and that there really was no glory in what he had just done.
I want to see what Elliot thinks of this game now that he's over 10 years older and has played much better games both in and outside of the Sonic series since.
The Scabbard thing is actually part of the Myth of Excalibur... The Scabbard was said to make you kind of immortal, because for example cuts you receive won't bleed and stuff like this...
I actually disagree guys; he shouldn't redo this review. Black Knight was certainly better than Secret Rings but he was never into the Storybook Series. This game was a guilty pleasure for me back in the day, but I admit the criticisms for it are valid. If the game was remade like a 3D Sonic like Shadow the Hedgehog was, it might've been a lot better. This is one of the few few games I beat & sold and I'm a pack rat with games
***** Did I tell you that you could have a different opinion than me? Sorry sir but your opinion is wrong, and obviously my opinion is the only one that matters. (Joking, joking of course haha). I've never been the biggest Secret Rings fan, but I'm glad you can find enjoyment in it where I can't, everyone has different likings to different things and I totally respect that haha :)
***** that's where I am. It's weird because I actually get some enjoyment out of Black Knight, I think it may just be the atmosphere, the somewhat improved combat and improved controls that make me like it more. I still don't think Black Knight is that good, but I think it's okay.
I like this game. I agree with almost everything Elliot says. Honestly, once you get the hang of it all, it's super fun. So my recommended way of playing this game is this (for all of you who are curious about it): Play it as a 100% blind playthrough. This will FORCE you to learn how the game handles. Only give up when you just can't get the few points left for five stars and come back to the stage later when you have better items. I thought the game was boring on my first playthrough, but playing it again this way, I found it great. It doesn't compare to what the 7th generation had to offer in terms of main series Sonic games, but I still think it belongs to the "good" Sonic games.
+random fan Really? its a spin-off don't explect it to be like the classics as it isn't going to be. Stop comparing spin offs to main series. BEF YOU DONT COMPARE MARIO PARTY TO MARIO 3D WORLD
random fan Yeah about that. The water pack is innovative and fun but it does take away from some of the platforming. Why does Mario need to perfectly time his jumps when he could just use the water pack to hover his way there?
I think the plot that the game goes through is awesome. And I did not have as much trouble with the game-play like Johnny did. Also my wrist never got cramps when playing it. But I think it is a good game nonetheless. My Girlfriend loves this game too because of the story line. So that is another reason why I would rank this game 8/10. Good Graphics, Good voice acting, Great Story line, etc. I think it is a good game despite that it is different to normal sonic games. And Hey, it is not as bad as 06.
TheVergilus I agree! Jonny complains so much about it because he can't play it right -.- 7:22 It took him over 6 minutes to defeat the final boss. That's just...wow...on my first playthrough it took me 3 minutes and 30 seconds (I think). Today I defeat her in under a minute. It is just a fun game and one of the best sonic games EVER MADE in my opinion! (Nothing is better than Sonic the Hedgehog 2 and "Sonic and Knuckles" but I think you got my point)
Really though you don't have to wave the wiimote all you got to do is shake it simple really don't understand why people complain about that. Besides that I really enjoyed this game the graphics were great for wii standards, controls worked fine, levels were fast pace with plenty of enemies to make use of the sword, and the story was even good too especially due to the plot twist. the only problem I ever ran into in the game was the semi final boss with king Arthur because you have to shake the wiimote at the right time to hit him and sometimes he can hit you before the wiimote icon shows up, but other than that everything was great. I'd like to see a sequel of this game but sadly I know it will never happen due to most sonic fans having a problem with sonic using a sword which I find ridiculous because the sword compliments sonic's speed allowing him to slash through things at the speed of sound.
Definitely! This is pretty much the best characterization of Sonic so far. The voice acting is also one of the best things in this game. It's rather sad and unfortunate that we might not see anything like this again.
***** I highly doubt it. They've pretty much moved onto doing more simple stories and the writers have changed since Colors (Ponatc and G) so we'll probably never see anything like this again. As of now, it's very unlikely for another storybook game to happen which is a huge shame.
***** I don't care about moody plots, I just the games to have well written stories and dialogue. The storybook series and Unleashed manage to hit that sweet spot where the story takes itself seriously enough without sacrificing the light hearted mood of the franchise, as well as not having the characters being annoying as shit.
***** The plots of the storybook games or Unleashed weren't moody though. I believe they were very well written and brought a great amount of seriousness and light heartedness which provided a much better balance unlike games like Colors that focused too much on the very forced comedic aspects or Shadow which was a bit too serious. I just thought it was unnecessary to abandon something that was starting to work well. The current games really show how weak the story department has become especially with Colors and Lost World.
I totally agree. I know that it's mostly just nostalgia talking, but I always liked hearing Caliburn talking from the Wiimote. Sonic was awesome in this game, and the final segment was super powerful and great. Awesome soundtrack, too.
If they decide to remake the game, they can change what's wrong with the game and improve on it but I know people will not like it when I say a remake for this game is coming
7:27 People have always recorded themselves looking like idiots using motion controls, but this truly captures the inefficient and erratic fashion of it.
I agreed! When i play black knight for the first time. I enjoy the whole game a lot! Heck! I beat every level with 5 start! Then i decide to try out Secret ring...and man i didn't expected to be that awful. It is by far the worst sonic game i ever play. (I haven't play 06 just so you know)
i would never touch this game after the misery that was my playthrough of sonic and the secret rings, sure the controls may be better but no, NEVER touching this game
To be honest, I still think that Sonic and the black knight is one of the better modern sonic games. I think the storyline is pretty dang great for a sonic game (and to a certain degree, i wish more sonic games went with this kind of feel) I think this has one of the best soundtrack in a Sonic game (top 3 for me) and while I know that the game has problems with controls, in my personal experience, i haven't had as much problems with it as most people claim to have (the same applies with Sonic 06) I don't mind the "childish" feel that Sonic Colors and Heroes had, but I really liked the action and how the story progressed within it. I still wonder why this game is considered worst than sonic and the secret rings and Sonic 06.....(though i could be a bit biased considering this is one of my favorite sonic games....)
I'll be honest. This game is in my top 10 Sonic games. I love this game. I thought the gameplay was fun, I think the music great, I thought the story is one of the best in series, the voice acting was fantastic, the game looks beautiful and its overall presentation was great. And I don't really consider cheap enemy placement a valid complaint for this game consider YOU'RE FIGHTING AN ARMY of soldiers. So of course there are going to be enemies where you wouldn't expect them to be. I loved this game. I thought it was one of the best in the series. It's certainly hell of a lot better than Sonic & the Secret Rings. Then again, that's not really hard to do.
I actually liked Excalibur Sonic. Even if it is kind of rediculous, the cutscenes where he turns into it is kinda awesome. At least more climatic than just him turning gold from the chaos emeralds, in my opinion
Johnny's description of Excalibur Sonic is spot on; I was thinking the same thing! "Super Sonic in knight's armor?!?! It's so ridiculous it just might work!" The final song With Me helped to push it more towards being awesome though lol
Well, it's official. Johnny has stated that he is going to re-review this game. It'll be interesting to see how his thoughts on the game change, if at all, but what I really want to know is if he'll get Elliot to join him and give his thoughts too.
In my opinion, this game has some of the best writing in the entire Sonic series. The story is simple, but still takes it self seriously. The characters (Sonic especially ) are well written, and the narrative (if a little odd for a Sonic game) is nice. The voice acting is also great (some of Jason Griffith's best work as Sonic).
I have all feeling that this is the most UNDERRATED Sonic title of all time. Yeah, it's Sonic with a sword but that's only the main reason why people hate it so much, because it has Sonic's shit eating grin on the cover and that's my only gripes with the game. It's like saying Sonic Boom sucks because of how the character designs look... oh yeah. The levels are only dickish at the end so those are my other problems with the game and it has better controls than Secret Rings. It's also the last Sonic game where can play as other characters(until Sonic Boom).
I never really saw the problem with shaking the Wiimote to swing a sword in sword-combat games. How is shaking a stick different from mashing a button? You don't even gotta shake it that hard. Just wiggle it. Don't even gotta use your wrist.
They do, but people don't understand when a character does things or uses stuff simply because they like it, it's like if some moron asked why Tails uses the Tornado when he can already fly on his own. As for Sonic with a sword, sure he might not really need it but it evens his odds against the other knights and Arthur and plus it's just fucking awesome let's not kid ourselves, perfectly acceptable for a one off gimmick
10-years ago? This review went up at the edge of the late-2000s and this video could be also considered a thing of the 2010s ...a little bit. Please SCMJ, please do a remake. You've gotten so much better over the years.
I'd say it's a mix of both of those. I actually sort of like this game, though I only play LEGO games and Smash Bros. Brawl nowadays on the Wii, I think this game is overall a 7.0 out of 10.0.
Zyad48 this gimmick does make sense because this takes place in the Arthurian Legends which involves knights which of course use swords and stuff like that.
TheVergilus I only went off according to the video and what I've seen, I dont like playing the secret rings formula, its fucked up, I havent played black knight and I dont want to because it uses the fucked up secret rings formula, give me full 3d control of sonic or im not playing the game unless its only relegated to certain sections, sure the mach seed sections and speed sections in sonic 06 and boom respectively are horrible but at least sonic lost world got it right
It is actually a noteworthy part of the King Arthur mythos that Merlin taught Arthur that it was wiser to value the Scabbard than the Sword. The Scabbard is magical and basically makes the weilder impervious to damage.
Sonic may be slower but you fight, no you chase king Arthur mounted on a horse while he is throwing stuf at you! And that is only one of thrle bos fights!
I'm leaving this here in case anyone is curious... You don't have to slash like a mad man on the final boss. There is a small problem with it. You realize that when you play the game and soul serge there is a target that forms over your enemy... yeah the target isn't really visible on the boss. After beating it and checked my bonuses it showed the boss beaten in one go, using perfected strikes to deal more damage. Too damn bad you have to guess when the target is fully formed to get said perfected strike. Saved me time i just wished the song was Knight of the Wind.
I don't know guys it looks pretty good to me and I will probably pick it up! Great review tho Johnny! You break the game down and get us either interested or just push us away! Keep up the good work!
Actually, King Arthur's Scabbard really did make him immortal in the legend. and the reason why he died in the battle against Mordred is because the scabbard was stolen from him
Eh, if you're going to like something, you might as well like something that has proved itself as good and can stand the test of time. And he isn't too obnoxious about it, like some people.
I actually had a fun time with this game it's not perfect mind you but it's still fun. Interesting story and fun dialogue, Decent gameplay, great graphics, and a fantastic soundtrack. Honestly I think the worst part about this game is that they shoehorned sonic in. As a sonic game it's weird and a departure from what we know (not to mention the point that johnny brought up about the how unnecessary the sword is to sonic). But as a game on it's own, it's actually pretty damn fun, flawed but fun. As a sonic game 2/5 eh, not really what you play sonic for but if you find it in a bargain bin somewhere sure go ahead. If it was it's own IP 3/5 not amazing but I would've bought a sequel.
Can we just take a moment to realize this is the first game Sonic has ever actually eats a chili dog? He's mentioned he's liked them before, but this is the first time, in a game, were we actually see Sonic eat
Sonic using a sword? This game is awful! Sonic game with guns, vehicles, and aliens? This game is awful! Sonic game with cartoony looking aliens as power-ups? This game is awful! Sonic turning into a Werehog with stretchy arms? This game is awful! Sonic driving a car or using a hoverboard? This game is awful! Sonic game with completely new character designs? This game is awful! Sonic teaming up with Mario? This game is awful! Sonic game that doesn't play like the beloved Genesis, Adventure, and Boost games? This game is awful! Sky Sanctuary isn't yellow in Generations like in the original stage? This game is awful! Seriously, it doesn't matter if the change is small or not. A Sonic game tries to do something remotely different from they're used to, and it's World War 3 with these guys. Man, the Sonic fanbase is just the worst.
Aye. Granted there are a fair number of things in Sonic games I don't like and changes I don't approve of, but I'm just one guy with tastes out of millions of people.
+TheBlue Typhoon17 well some of those games are awful not because of the change, but other problems. Like mario and sonic games are just shaking the wiimote for a lot of the games
There are actually 5 Crush 40 songs for this game. Knight of the Wind, Through the Fire, Live Life, Fight the Knight, and there is a Crush 40 version of "With Me" that you can get from the Face to Faith: Sonic and the Black Knight Vocal Trax.
I like how Johnny represents the salty crybaby side of the Sonic fandom the loathes change and new things while Elliot represents the side of the Sonic fandom that actually likes Sonic and doesn't care about physics. I can relate to both of them LOL
your FLAILING THE WIIMOTE like everyone else which is actually hindering the combat. you get bonuses for sl,ow intentional strikes especially notable with soulsurge. and as someone who 100% the game I honestly don't see the problem with the level design sure there are some hard parts but the game gives you the tools to deal with them I will also say. there are more then superficial differences between the knights id go as far as to say it's impossible to do some challenges with the wrong knight (which might be a deterrent to some but i felt the knight your supposed to use for a given challenge was obvious enough) I will note the game is actually not play tested. everything is doable but sometimes not in the way the devs intended. think sonic adventure 2 where you could skip sections of the level
Honestly, there is a lot more to Sonic & the Black Knight. I hope Johnny will eventually revisit this game (though I highly doubt it) but dare I say, the main part of this game comes after the story, and it's this main part that really shows what kind of game this is.
Like the sun I run into the heat of day, like a knight i fight until the fight is one, in a rage i save each and every each and every each and everyone until this war is one
Pretty graphics (for the Wii), _terrible_ concept for Sonic because the story is ridiculous (even for the low bar that is Sonic standards), sub-par gameplay, sub-par sound design, and a very obvious sign that they were attempting and failing to rebrand Sonic in a way that would still somehow fit into a current medium. _"What, Sonic games are failing? Well, let's put him in a random medieval setting and see if that works!"_
+JoeytheJoeyX3 I am not going to say that Black Knight was the best game ever, or even a great game. But what you are saying is completely wrong. This is the STORYBOOK series, the spinoffs that started with Sonic and the Secret Rings. The stories aren't canon, and therefore have more freedom to be stupid and ridiculous without worry of ruining the main Sonic timeline. This was not an 'attempt at rebranding', this is just a spinoff game, like Mario Party or Mario Kart. And yes, while the gameplay is not great by any stretch of the mind, it was a major improvement over the full motion controls of its predecessor. And the sound design being sub-par? Really? Not only did Jun Senoue return to do the soundtrack, but *Crush-fucking-40* did four songs, which were all magnificent. The sound effects themselves were what you get playing a cartoonish interpretation of medieval combat, like a dull knife hitting a chopping board and over-the-top swinging sound effects. Almost all the other sound effects were recycled from SatSR
+JoeytheJoeyX3 "Subpar" sound design? Are you fucking deaf mate? The soundtrack in Black Knight is fantastic and hell Crush 40 did FOUR songs in this game which all sound awesome.
He forgot the multiplayer in general. But, it's his opinion. I personally love the game, but if he doesn't like it, so what? He probably hates the multiplayer or can't stand enough of the game to unlock Silver and Jet.
My favorite part is the final boss, even though it's probably one of the easiest if you know how to do it right. I'm one of those people who absolutely love Excalibur Sonic.
Me before the video started: Please, please, *please* make a witty remark about the suicide bit that's so funny I can't take it seriously any more and I can finally move on from it... Me at 2:11-2:22: Aaah, that's better.
What's crazy is...the scabbard of Excalibur actually does that. In English legends, the Sword makes the chosen wielder too great in combat to be matched. However, the scabbard grants immortality, at the cost of still feeling the pain of any attempted mortal blow made against you. However, unlike this story, Arthur chose the sword instead of the scabbard.
What the fuck does that even mean? What fits Sonic then? Should Sonic not have stories with messages, themes, stakes etc? This is such shallow thinking.
Fun fact the Scabbard that holds Excalibur has magical properties in the Legends of King Arthur. Although it does not grant immortality it does prevent the bearer from bleeding to death.
That sounds like a _terrible_ idea. There are only two ways that will go: Either Eggman will be smited in ten seconds, or Jesus would convince Eggman to repent. I'm not saying I wouldn't watch it if they made it into a cartoon or a movie, but I don't think it would be much fun to play as a game XD
this game is terrible, Im terrible at 3d sonic games, and for some reason my cousin was having a bit of trouble with the bosses, when he let me take a shot at it, I RAPED EVERY SINGLE BOSS BY JUST SWINGING THE REMOTE LIKE A COMPLETE MAD MAN. I still wonder why this is the only terrible sonic game that I can for some reason master just by being the screwball that I am
Very underrated Sonic game but one thing perplexes me, why is the critical score of this game lower the Sonic and the Secret Rings, this game is better in all aspects as its just a really good improvement
Just got Sonic and the Black Knight Face to Faith CD at around 2:25p.m. 6/15/2023 so now I have both the Original and Vocal Trax for this game I'm so happy! And I'm watching this video while listening to it 4:54p.m. 6/15/2023
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"Why do I have to play a fucking minigame to give them rings? JUST FUCKING TAKE THEM!"
- SomecallmeJohnny, 2009
- Arin Hanson (Game Grumps), 2016
Arin is such a dumbass in this game
Arin is such a dumbass in general
+Bracketmeister i dont get it. can i have a list of all the things arin does wrong or something?
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Remember when Arin didn't take off those FUCKING hover boots, even after people told him to? WTFSHITFUCKARINWHY?!
I like how you John represent the long time Sonic fan and Elliot represents a newer one in this review. It's always nice to have more than one perspective.
"Fuck the Master Sword, Iike the Scabbard" XD
how dare you
Actually I actually think in proper "legend" that his scabbard gave him immortality. I'm not 100% sure though, I mean it is just a legend
+Robert Wiener X'DD yes fuk the sword the scabbard is where its at X'3
I actually did look into the legend of king Arthur for a while, and it was in fact the scabbard that gave him immortality. With the legend's definition of immortality being the same as being invincible. He couldn't even get scratched, and from what I remember, when Merlin told him that after Arthur was finished with his first battle using the sword and coming out unscathed Arthur was a little upset, since he felt like he cheated and that there really was no glory in what he had just done.
Thumbs up if you want a remake of this review.
I want to see their original reviews for the Adventure games, just so I can compare them to his new and improved versions
+Ivan Simpson Yeah, like a 'Then and Now' opinion from a famous reviewer.
oh hell yeah
I want to see what Elliot thinks of this game now that he's over 10 years older and has played much better games both in and outside of the Sonic series since.
He’s gonna do it
The Scabbard thing is actually part of the Myth of Excalibur...
The Scabbard was said to make you kind of immortal, because for example cuts you receive won't bleed and stuff like this...
2:52 I was not expecting that and I laughed hard.
Hmm
I find this game to be heavily underrated. I would certainly play this over Secret Rings.
Forreal...
Drew The Conqueror of Worlds Bad juju.... 😖
TheBlue Typhoon17 this game is FAAAAAR better than secret rings
Zyad48 - The Warrior of Evil In probably every way possible. The biggest being using an analog stick. (Hallelujah)
TheBlue Typhoon17 yeah fuck the motion controls from secret rings
Sonic with a sword? Better than Shadow with a gun
Dylan Gray Hell yeah Black Knight is better than Shadow the Hedgehog
Dylan Gray Nah, I enjoyed that game. Black Knight is like a one night stand, amazing for the moment, dies off after awhile.
I for one like the concept of Sonic and Shadow with weapons. I mean hell, at least the gameplay was good.
At least shadow wasn't on rails so ya shadow wins
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I think Johnny should redo this review.
I actually disagree guys; he shouldn't redo this review. Black Knight was certainly better than Secret Rings but he was never into the Storybook Series. This game was a guilty pleasure for me back in the day, but I admit the criticisms for it are valid. If the game was remade like a 3D Sonic like Shadow the Hedgehog was, it might've been a lot better. This is one of the few few games I beat & sold and I'm a pack rat with games
agreed
He’s gonna do it.
done
Wayyyyy better than Secret Rings. Seriously, how does Secret Rings have a Metacritic score of 6.9?
av4d There are so many sex jokes I could make right now.
***** Did I tell you that you could have a different opinion than me? Sorry sir but your opinion is wrong, and obviously my opinion is the only one that matters. (Joking, joking of course haha). I've never been the biggest Secret Rings fan, but I'm glad you can find enjoyment in it where I can't, everyone has different likings to different things and I totally respect that haha :)
***** that's where I am. It's weird because I actually get some enjoyment out of Black Knight, I think it may just be the atmosphere, the somewhat improved combat and improved controls that make me like it more. I still don't think Black Knight is that good, but I think it's okay.
***** if it wasn't for the way you control sonic secret rings would be better then sonic 06
***** I DID THAT AND IT WAS SOOOOO rigded in it's control(the controls were too slow and even stiffer then the reck-it ralph wii game).
I like this game. I agree with almost everything Elliot says. Honestly, once you get the hang of it all, it's super fun. So my recommended way of playing this game is this (for all of you who are curious about it):
Play it as a 100% blind playthrough. This will FORCE you to learn how the game handles. Only give up when you just can't get the few points left for five stars and come back to the stage later when you have better items. I thought the game was boring on my first playthrough, but playing it again this way, I found it great. It doesn't compare to what the 7th generation had to offer in terms of main series Sonic games, but I still think it belongs to the "good" Sonic games.
Though some plot elements really stood out in a bad way for a sonic game, like the suicide scene. Other than that it was an ok game.
Why is it okay for Mario to have a talking water pack but it's not okay for Sonic to have a talking sword?
because Mario does innovation better, well that and he sticks to running and jumping
+random fan Really? its a spin-off don't explect it to be like the classics as it isn't going to be. Stop comparing spin offs to main series. BEF YOU DONT COMPARE MARIO PARTY TO MARIO 3D WORLD
random fan Yeah about that. The water pack is innovative and fun but it does take away from some of the platforming. Why does Mario need to perfectly time his jumps when he could just use the water pack to hover his way there?
Because most stages in Sunshine are more puzzles than platforming?
And the ones that are platforming take away your "water pack".
But you're still platforming during most of the game with the help of the water pack.
I think the plot that the game goes through is awesome. And I did not have as much trouble with the game-play like Johnny did. Also my wrist never got cramps when playing it. But I think it is a good game nonetheless. My Girlfriend loves this game too because of the story line. So that is another reason why I would rank this game 8/10. Good Graphics, Good voice acting, Great Story line, etc. I think it is a good game despite that it is different to normal sonic games. And Hey, it is not as bad as 06.
TheVergilus I agree! Jonny complains so much about it because he can't play it right -.- 7:22 It took him over 6 minutes to defeat the final boss. That's just...wow...on my first playthrough it took me 3 minutes and 30 seconds (I think). Today I defeat her in under a minute. It is just a fun game and one of the best sonic games EVER MADE in my opinion! (Nothing is better than Sonic the Hedgehog 2 and "Sonic and Knuckles" but I think you got my point)
***** If you don't agree just say nothing and don't laugh @ us ._.
Really though you don't have to wave the wiimote all you got to do is shake it simple really don't understand why people complain about that. Besides that I really enjoyed this game the graphics were great for wii standards, controls worked fine, levels were fast pace with plenty of enemies to make use of the sword, and the story was even good too especially due to the plot twist. the only problem I ever ran into in the game was the semi final boss with king Arthur because you have to shake the wiimote at the right time to hit him and sometimes he can hit you before the wiimote icon shows up, but other than that everything was great.
I'd like to see a sequel of this game but sadly I know it will never happen due to most sonic fans having a problem with sonic using a sword which I find ridiculous because the sword compliments sonic's speed allowing him to slash through things at the speed of sound.
Nice profile pic
1:05 But.. yeah, that was the legend. As long Arthur had the Scabbard he could not bleed.
This game is probably the last Sonic game where the characterization is great, unlike Pontac's take on Sonic.
Definitely! This is pretty much the best characterization of Sonic so far. The voice acting is also one of the best things in this game. It's rather sad and unfortunate that we might not see anything like this again.
*****
I highly doubt it. They've pretty much moved onto doing more simple stories and the writers have changed since Colors (Ponatc and G) so we'll probably never see anything like this again. As of now, it's very unlikely for another storybook game to happen which is a huge shame.
***** I don't care about moody plots, I just the games to have well written stories and dialogue. The storybook series and Unleashed manage to hit that sweet spot where the story takes itself seriously enough without sacrificing the light hearted mood of the franchise, as well as not having the characters being annoying as shit.
*****
The plots of the storybook games or Unleashed weren't moody though. I believe they were very well written and brought a great amount of seriousness and light heartedness which provided a much better balance unlike games like Colors that focused too much on the very forced comedic aspects or Shadow which was a bit too serious.
I just thought it was unnecessary to abandon something that was starting to work well. The current games really show how weak the story department has become especially with Colors and Lost World.
I totally agree. I know that it's mostly just nostalgia talking, but I always liked hearing Caliburn talking from the Wiimote. Sonic was awesome in this game, and the final segment was super powerful and great. Awesome soundtrack, too.
Metal Gear Sonic: Revengeance
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If they decide to remake the game, they can change what's wrong with the game and improve on it but I know people will not like it when I say a remake for this game is coming
Tyler Kearney Yes
Dr. Eggman and all his nanomachines!
Ha!
7:27 People have always recorded themselves looking like idiots using motion controls, but this truly captures the inefficient and erratic fashion of it.
Still better than the secret rings and 06
***** I can enjoy 06' at times but I just can't play secret rings
***** pretty much.
i liked the concept for the black knight, as in the characters and all that.
6:35 8 years later, Sonic Forces story.
Elliot's score is good and fair. Johnny's is bullshit. I think this game is better than secret rings. Secret rings sucks.
I agreed! When i play black knight for the first time. I enjoy the whole game a lot! Heck! I beat every level with 5 start! Then i decide to try out Secret ring...and man i didn't expected to be that awful. It is by far the worst sonic game i ever play. (I haven't play 06 just so you know)
i would never touch this game after the misery that was my playthrough of sonic and the secret rings, sure the controls may be better but no, NEVER touching this game
When he made this review he hadn't played secret rings since it released he now considers secret rings to be the worst 3D sonic game
Kyle Campbell yeah and I can agree with that, fuck secret rings, fucking retarded perpetual motion device sonic
pat deondre i have heard that it controls like shit but i wouldnt play either game anyway, both games suck ass
This has probably already been mentioned, but in Arthurian legend, Excalibur's scabbard really did grant protection to the bear of the sword.
To be honest, I still think that Sonic and the black knight is one of the better modern sonic games. I think the storyline is pretty dang great for a sonic game (and to a certain degree, i wish more sonic games went with this kind of feel) I think this has one of the best soundtrack in a Sonic game (top 3 for me) and while I know that the game has problems with controls, in my personal experience, i haven't had as much problems with it as most people claim to have (the same applies with Sonic 06) I don't mind the "childish" feel that Sonic Colors and Heroes had, but I really liked the action and how the story progressed within it.
I still wonder why this game is considered worst than sonic and the secret rings and Sonic 06.....(though i could be a bit biased considering this is one of my favorite sonic games....)
I'll be honest. This game is in my top 10 Sonic games. I love this game. I thought the gameplay was fun, I think the music great, I thought the story is one of the best in series, the voice acting was fantastic, the game looks beautiful and its overall presentation was great. And I don't really consider cheap enemy placement a valid complaint for this game consider YOU'RE FIGHTING AN ARMY of soldiers. So of course there are going to be enemies where you wouldn't expect them to be. I loved this game. I thought it was one of the best in the series. It's certainly hell of a lot better than Sonic & the Secret Rings. Then again, that's not really hard to do.
How many Sonic games have you played brother man?
Josh Bajika I've played nearly all of them. I haven't Shuffle, Rivals, Rivals 2 and Free Riders.
It seems like Elliot isn't biased and isn't unnecessarily picking at small stuff like Johnny is.
sonic is badass without a sword... give him a sword and oh my god, it is fucking on! as soon as he learns how to use it, of course
Yeah... this game is a load of shit... but Sonic IS badass
I actually really like these reviews
Same!
They're not bad
Half the comments are just people wishing Johnny redid this review.
*Anyone here from Johnny's latest video?*
Me
I really liked this game
i fucking adore every inch of it, and you are talking to a guy who plays since 90's
I think s
Sercet Rings and this is one of the best Sonic games ever(in my opinion)
2023 and im still watching these classic videos
This game may not be a masterpiece but I do find it underrated, it's certainly better than Secret Rings.
1:57
That is, until you count Sonic CD, where Amy doesn't talk at all.
Four songs by crush 40 not three
Five if you count the fact that they later did a cover of the final boss song
+MyA ASh EVEN BETTA =D
This video actually helped me on a quiz in my Literature class. Thanks, Johnny!
I actually liked Excalibur Sonic. Even if it is kind of rediculous, the cutscenes where he turns into it is kinda awesome. At least more climatic than just him turning gold from the chaos emeralds, in my opinion
Johnny's description of Excalibur Sonic is spot on; I was thinking the same thing! "Super Sonic in knight's armor?!?! It's so ridiculous it just might work!" The final song With Me helped to push it more towards being awesome though lol
Well, it's official. Johnny has stated that he is going to re-review this game. It'll be interesting to see how his thoughts on the game change, if at all, but what I really want to know is if he'll get Elliot to join him and give his thoughts too.
Coronavirus sadly
We still don't have a Secret Rings review. It's a little overdue, John.
If Majora says it, You MUST do it!
MAJORA WINS.
0:16 "Hooray!" I always look forward to that.
Who's here before Johnny reviews Sonic and The Black Knight again?
I think we all want a remake of this review.
Jonny hates moving his body/hands
Well, like he said in his Sonic Racing Games video, “Do I look like a fit mother-fucker?!”
In my opinion, this game has some of the best writing in the entire Sonic series. The story is simple, but still takes it self seriously. The characters (Sonic especially ) are well written, and the narrative (if a little odd for a Sonic game) is nice. The voice acting is also great (some of Jason Griffith's best work as Sonic).
Better than most plenty of other Sonic games to the point that I *demand* a sequel Sega!
Somewhat easy? Hardly. That boss gave me so much trouble
Yeah, my cousin never beat it, and I had to look up how someone else did it just so that I would even have a chance.
Man these guys are good I bet they're gonna make it big on RUclips
I have all feeling that this is the most UNDERRATED Sonic title of all time. Yeah, it's Sonic with a sword but that's only the main reason why people hate it so much, because it has Sonic's shit eating grin on the cover and that's my only gripes with the game. It's like saying Sonic Boom sucks because of how the character designs look... oh yeah. The levels are only dickish at the end so those are my other problems with the game and it has better controls than Secret Rings. It's also the last Sonic game where can play as other characters(until Sonic Boom).
Always see myself agreeing with Elliot when he shows up for a cameo review. He should totally get his own channel.
I never really saw the problem with shaking the Wiimote to swing a sword in sword-combat games.
How is shaking a stick different from mashing a button?
You don't even gotta shake it that hard. Just wiggle it. Don't even gotta use your wrist.
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*YOU CANNOT ESCAPE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*
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If you translate your comment the face looks REALLY messed up.
***** Do you see how overweight he is?
Kevin Chambers
So?
“Just fucking take them! It’s a gift for Christ sakes!”
Oh sure, people complain about Sonic with a sword and yet they never whine about the fact that he drives a car.
They do, but people don't understand when a character does things or uses stuff simply because they like it, it's like if some moron asked why Tails uses the Tornado when he can already fly on his own.
As for Sonic with a sword, sure he might not really need it but it evens his odds against the other knights and Arthur and plus it's just fucking awesome let's not kid ourselves, perfectly acceptable for a one off gimmick
There are 5 knights of the round table but two were scrapped, silver and jet.
+Rhythm Jack You can play as them in multiplayer mode.
vidk1dd96 I didn't know that
And I think you can play as them in post-story mode too.
+vidk1dd96 no you can't.
Honestly I actually want this game a Switch remake/re-release
Take Colors instead is what Sega told you.
10-years ago?
This review went up at the edge of the late-2000s and this video could be also considered a thing of the 2010s ...a little bit.
Please SCMJ, please do a remake. You've gotten so much better over the years.
"A pointless gimmick" or maybe its something to make this game stand out among the other Sonic games.
and they couldn't just make a different gimmick that makes sense?
I'd say it's a mix of both of those. I actually sort of like this game, though I only play LEGO games and Smash Bros. Brawl nowadays on the Wii, I think this game is overall a 7.0 out of 10.0.
Zyad48 this gimmick does make sense because this takes place in the Arthurian Legends which involves knights which of course use swords and stuff like that.
Sonic Fanic well at least make the pointless gimmick work better and give sonic actual fucking control
TheVergilus I only went off according to the video and what I've seen, I dont like playing the secret rings formula, its fucked up, I havent played black knight and I dont want to because it uses the fucked up secret rings formula, give me full 3d control of sonic or im not playing the game unless its only relegated to certain sections, sure the mach seed sections and speed sections in sonic 06 and boom respectively are horrible but at least sonic lost world got it right
It is actually a noteworthy part of the King Arthur mythos that Merlin taught Arthur that it was wiser to value the Scabbard than the Sword. The Scabbard is magical and basically makes the weilder impervious to damage.
I want this game.
It's Sonic... with a fucking TALKING SWORD!
That's, like, the coolest shit in the world to me.
I played the game and i LOVED it, too bad it got sold :c
I have this game.
So Sonic does have an Eyelander too? Damn you SEGA!
Sonic may be slower but you fight, no you chase king Arthur mounted on a horse while he is throwing stuf at you! And that is only one of thrle bos fights!
AND IT'S FUCKIN SONIC CUTTIN SHIT UP WITH A BLADE! :D
I'm leaving this here in case anyone is curious...
You don't have to slash like a mad man on the final boss. There is a small problem with it.
You realize that when you play the game and soul serge there is a target that forms over your enemy... yeah the target isn't really visible on the boss. After beating it and checked my bonuses it showed the boss beaten in one go, using perfected strikes to deal more damage. Too damn bad you have to guess when the target is fully formed to get said perfected strike. Saved me time i just wished the song was Knight of the Wind.
Really Johnny, you want sonic to lose the sword, YOUR TELLING ME YOU WANT SONIC AND THE SECRET RINGS AGAIN?!
I don't know guys it looks pretty good to me and I will probably pick it up! Great review tho Johnny! You break the game down and get us either interested or just push us away! Keep up the good work!
So the lesson of this game is YOLO?
Terrible lesson.
Actually, King Arthur's Scabbard really did make him immortal in the legend. and the reason why he died in the battle against Mordred is because the scabbard was stolen from him
I really like this game
The scabbard of excalibur can heal the owner so it makes "sense" that gave him immortality
You can tell Johnny is a Sonic purist and Genesis/Classic Sonic fan.
Just like me!
Eh, if you're going to like something, you might as well like something that has proved itself as good and can stand the test of time. And he isn't too obnoxious about it, like some people.
Irrelevant to the video...
7BlackBoo Don't care. I'm still making a point.
Steve Spud Can't argue with that. And your point seems to be true, anyway.
The way Johnny pushed Elliot
I actually had a fun time with this game it's not perfect mind you but it's still fun. Interesting story and fun dialogue, Decent gameplay, great graphics, and a fantastic soundtrack.
Honestly I think the worst part about this game is that they shoehorned sonic in. As a sonic game it's weird and a departure from what we know (not to mention the point that johnny brought up about the how unnecessary the sword is to sonic). But as a game on it's own, it's actually pretty damn fun, flawed but fun. As a sonic game 2/5 eh, not really what you play sonic for but if you find it in a bargain bin somewhere sure go ahead. If it was it's own IP 3/5 not amazing but I would've bought a sequel.
Can we just take a moment to realize this is the first game Sonic has ever actually eats a chili dog? He's mentioned he's liked them before, but this is the first time, in a game, were we actually see Sonic eat
Sonic using a sword? This game is awful!
Sonic game with guns, vehicles, and aliens? This game is awful!
Sonic game with cartoony looking aliens as power-ups? This game is awful!
Sonic turning into a Werehog with stretchy arms? This game is awful!
Sonic driving a car or using a hoverboard? This game is awful!
Sonic game with completely new character designs? This game is awful!
Sonic teaming up with Mario? This game is awful!
Sonic game that doesn't play like the beloved Genesis, Adventure, and Boost games? This game is awful!
Sky Sanctuary isn't yellow in Generations like in the original stage? This game is awful!
Seriously, it doesn't matter if the change is small or not. A Sonic game tries to do something remotely different from they're used to, and it's World War 3 with these guys. Man, the Sonic fanbase is just the worst.
Aye. Granted there are a fair number of things in Sonic games I don't like and changes I don't approve of, but I'm just one guy with tastes out of millions of people.
You should make a parody video out of this.
TheBlue Typhoon17 most of those things are awful tho. lmao
TheBlue Typhoon17 These guys just want the "original" games but we don't remember them anymore we look to the 3D World!
+TheBlue Typhoon17 well some of those games are awful not because of the change, but other problems. Like mario and sonic games are just shaking the wiimote for a lot of the games
"Why does that horse make galloping sounds in midair?" BECAUSE MAGIC JOHNNY!
Hey Johnny. Re review this. I wanna hear you after you have calmed down. Also I like this game
its funny that the ad that played before this video was for the Sonic fast food joint
Who's here after the remake?
Me
There are actually 5 Crush 40 songs for this game. Knight of the Wind, Through the Fire, Live Life, Fight the Knight, and there is a Crush 40 version of "With Me" that you can get from the Face to Faith: Sonic and the Black Knight Vocal Trax.
I like how Johnny represents the salty crybaby side of the Sonic fandom the loathes change and new things while Elliot represents the side of the Sonic fandom that actually likes Sonic and doesn't care about physics.
I can relate to both of them LOL
I am an oldschool fan but, I love the new games too, this game made me so stoaked and awesome, it was....aaahhhh *flails* so epiccccc
your FLAILING THE WIIMOTE like everyone else which is actually hindering the combat. you get bonuses for sl,ow intentional strikes especially notable with soulsurge.
and as someone who 100% the game I honestly don't see the problem with the level design sure there are some hard parts but the game gives you the tools to deal with them
I will also say. there are more then superficial differences between the knights id go as far as to say it's impossible to do some challenges with the wrong knight (which might be a deterrent to some but i felt the knight your supposed to use for a given challenge was obvious enough)
I will note the game is actually not play tested. everything is doable but sometimes not in the way the devs intended. think sonic adventure 2 where you could skip sections of the level
Honestly, there is a lot more to Sonic & the Black Knight. I hope Johnny will eventually revisit this game (though I highly doubt it) but dare I say, the main part of this game comes after the story, and it's this main part that really shows what kind of game this is.
I kind of liked the game, it was ok
6.5/10
I rate it 7.5/10.
Also one of the fist few Sonic games I've ever played.
Daniel Miller i rate 8.8/10
Daniel Miller I rate it Sonic06/10
Like the sun I run into the heat of day, like a knight i fight until the fight is one, in a rage i save each and every each and every each and everyone until this war is one
*until the fight is won
lol
Pretty graphics, unique concept for sonic. Gameplay looks unrefined but fun. Yeah, it's worth the $5.
Pretty graphics (for the Wii), _terrible_ concept for Sonic because the story is ridiculous (even for the low bar that is Sonic standards), sub-par gameplay, sub-par sound design, and a very obvious sign that they were attempting and failing to rebrand Sonic in a way that would still somehow fit into a current medium. _"What, Sonic games are failing? Well, let's put him in a random medieval setting and see if that works!"_
+JoeytheJoeyX3 I am not going to say that Black Knight was the best game ever, or even a great game. But what you are saying is completely wrong.
This is the STORYBOOK series, the spinoffs that started with Sonic and the Secret Rings. The stories aren't canon, and therefore have more freedom to be stupid and ridiculous without worry of ruining the main Sonic timeline. This was not an 'attempt at rebranding', this is just a spinoff game, like Mario Party or Mario Kart. And yes, while the gameplay is not great by any stretch of the mind, it was a major improvement over the full motion controls of its predecessor.
And the sound design being sub-par? Really? Not only did Jun Senoue return to do the soundtrack, but *Crush-fucking-40* did four songs, which were all magnificent. The sound effects themselves were what you get playing a cartoonish interpretation of medieval combat, like a dull knife hitting a chopping board and over-the-top swinging sound effects. Almost all the other sound effects were recycled from SatSR
i got sonic colors instead. no regrets
+JoeytheJoeyX3 "Subpar" sound design? Are you fucking deaf mate? The soundtrack in Black Knight is fantastic and hell Crush 40 did FOUR songs in this game which all sound awesome.
5:51 Link called. He wants his Ordon sword back.
You forgot to mention that Silver and Jet are playable in multiplayer.
He forgot the multiplayer in general. But, it's his opinion. I personally love the game, but if he doesn't like it, so what? He probably hates the multiplayer or can't stand enough of the game to unlock Silver and Jet.
Samus Aran Great!
My favorite part is the final boss, even though it's probably one of the easiest if you know how to do it right. I'm one of those people who absolutely love Excalibur Sonic.
Jets in the game I did not know that or sliver.
tyler see also,King Arthur and Shadow,Knuckles and Blaze without armor is playable in multiplayer.
Me before the video started: Please, please, *please* make a witty remark about the suicide bit that's so funny I can't take it seriously any more and I can finally move on from it...
Me at 2:11-2:22: Aaah, that's better.
In the final Battle you can do the BARREL ROLL
*Aileron roll
CarbonGaming Still not as catchy
Mario Tomic *as
CarbonGaming Sorry
Mario Tomic All good.
Jesus it's been over 12 years since I found this guy
I think this game was nice but johnny gave it a hard time
Agreed
What's crazy is...the scabbard of Excalibur actually does that. In English legends, the Sword makes the chosen wielder too great in combat to be matched. However, the scabbard grants immortality, at the cost of still feeling the pain of any attempted mortal blow made against you. However, unlike this story, Arthur chose the sword instead of the scabbard.
Revisit
Revisit
Revisit
REVISIT
REVISIT
He’s gonna do it.
Elliot 5%: The Voice Acting Is So-So.
Johnny: EVERYTHING ELSE...
I think an Arthurian story would work well, it just really doesn't fit sonic.
It doesn't fit Sonic at all. They just thought they could get away with it by adding a storybook element which didn't really add anything either.
What the fuck does that even mean? What fits Sonic then? Should Sonic not have stories with messages, themes, stakes etc? This is such shallow thinking.
I have this theory that Caliburn was the inspiration for Fi in Skyward Sword.
Wait, Blaze is a sir?
Does she undergo a gender change in this strange alternate world?
Yeah, that's a bit weird.
Blaze is still a female in this game. Sir is sometimes used for women authority like some commanders and in Blaze's case, a knight.
Fun fact the Scabbard that holds Excalibur has magical properties in the Legends of King Arthur. Although it does not grant immortality it does prevent the bearer from bleeding to death.
I have an idea for a new sonic game! Sonic Bible Adventure! Introducing: Jeebus Sonic
That actually sounds like a kind-of neat concept.
That sounds like a _terrible_ idea. There are only two ways that will go: Either Eggman will be smited in ten seconds, or Jesus would convince Eggman to repent.
I'm not saying I wouldn't watch it if they made it into a cartoon or a movie, but I don't think it would be much fun to play as a game XD
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In King Arthur story, his Scabbard does make him immortal, also he has a dagger that makes him invisible.
I'm with johnny, this game is terrible.
This game was decent.
I hope Elliot was genuine. Seeing two different perspectives was refreshing
this game is terrible, Im terrible at 3d sonic games, and for some reason my cousin was having a bit of trouble with the bosses, when he let me take a shot at it, I RAPED EVERY SINGLE BOSS BY JUST SWINGING THE REMOTE LIKE A COMPLETE MAD MAN. I still wonder why this is the only terrible sonic game that I can for some reason master just by being the screwball that I am
Lehi Rincon If you're bad at 3D games, then that doesn't mean that the game is terrible.
Very underrated Sonic game but one thing perplexes me, why is the critical score of this game lower the Sonic and the Secret Rings, this game is better in all aspects as its just a really good improvement
Merlina's scream when she is defeated had me in hot water, as my dad thought I was watching porn. -_-
Just got Sonic and the Black Knight Face to Faith CD at around 2:25p.m. 6/15/2023 so now I have both the Original and Vocal Trax for this game I'm so happy! And I'm watching this video while listening to it 4:54p.m. 6/15/2023