This show is awesome. Being a 57 yr old lifetime Moto guy it was so cool hearing Dave talk about the riders that I also “ had on my walls “. Keep it up guys !
I just love your shows. You really get these guys to open up the longer your out there. Thank you!!! Shows all the people what us old dudes already know.....its not all unicorns and rainbows out there! Lots of sweat and pain and work. Doesnt run smooth, but these guys MAKE IT WORK!! I love your show. Thanks Pingree and Langston!!!
I've read so much over the years about how Dave Osterman is really difficult or he rubs people the wrong way because he's so outspoken. He's made so many enemies over the years. Well, after watching this, I get that. I can totally see where a lot of people would have trouble working with him. Certainly anyone with any sort of ego. But honestly, I'd LOVE to be able to work for this guy. He's a really smart and affective guy who speaks the truth. He calls BS when it should be called out. Grant and David, great show.
WTM is, IMO, the best MX/dirt-related media we have. Other shows rehash the short interviews of the pro riders, and it gets pretty repetitive. How many times can you hear, "the team's great, we're working on tuning the bike, blah blah blah...." and be interested. WTM gives the time to get into the details that differentiate the guests. Hope Ping keeps this going. He's a great host, coming in prepared, and he really knows how to keep the conversation going while keeping the show about the guest. Not an easy task. I do find it kinda funny how he holds double standards for China and pretty much the rest of the planet, though. When Triumph or other companies admit to their use of competitive product in their design and development cycle, it's smart. But, if China does it, it's unethical. I get Ping doesn't know the development world, because if he did, he'd understand that most companies and products are evolutionary designs, and they use the work of others before them, regardless of their source.
I work at ascot in Oklahoma and love to hear y'all talk about ascot out there and have to come out and see some of it.. love the podcast even though ping makes it repetitive lol
Another great show guys can't wait for the next ones. Does anyone know if there is a company that restores old gear I have been looking but can't seem to find anyone any help would be greatly appreciated
About the AMA: · The whole problem with the AMA is that they're still somehow NOT ready to deal with racing at the current level and I don't know if they'll ever be. The AMA is more a federation of motorcycle clubs than it is "the USA's FIM" and either it needs to become that or just leave way for a whole new organization focused on the racing side of things. About 250F East/West: · I am also against it because it makes little to no sense. Moto2 guys run the full schedule, even Moto3 guys (some as young as 16 and the minimum age used to be 15) do. You only see reduced schedules for lower classes when the costs get too crazy and there is supposedly a B-way into the main-class championship (being a national rallying championship can get you straight to EuroWRC, then to WRC, no need to go through WRC's Junior class). I was all in for arenacross to be that B-series, for SX/AX to be like ERC/WRC, JuniorMoto3/Moto3, etc. I also think that amateur classes should be reduced and be less age-focused. It should be just 50cc, 65cc, 85cc, 125cc and 250F (all with mod and stock classes) with some generous age brackets. No B-class, no C-class, no superminis... You should change bikes as you grow but be allowed to have a slightly different pace if you need to or want to. If you're not good enough in qualifying you race in some kind of "B-main" or LCQ like they do in dirt track racing and that's it.
Almost seems like Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki, KTM etc. Called in to shut him up the way David ended the show lmao! Osterman would have rambled on for another few hours and I would have listened! One of the best shows yet.
Re the current enviroment and market of the top end of MX bikes sales and racing’s! the best racing this year in Europe Championships has been in the EMX 125 Championship class (Europoen Motocross Championships) These are the next Jeffery Herlings! Stefan Everts son is currently racing in there, junior Mx champions from 65cc/85cc level are in there, they dont jump straight from Loretta’s into a 250f class, they aren’t just doing more motocross racing, US is full of excuses year in year out since 2010 esp, the Euros are doing to the US, what the US did to them in the early 80s, they are developing there youth racing properly, imo not as good as the US in the 70s/80s but still better than the current generation. 125cc racing is and always will be pivotal to building a wide base of riders, dream will always rise to the top, but the quality of cream with the current excuses in the US and infrastructure is limiting factor. like racing go wide go deep, you can’t go just one way, if you stay in everyone else’s track or line you will run into yourself and them. Daves an interesting guy, love his straight forward talking no BS, just the way men real people none of today’s BS walk on egg shells answers, love it, wish ya could keep him more in the time line at times though, I especially enjoy hearing about the earlier eras, his back ground, the riders, esp likes of the Euro’s Heki Mikola and Hakan, could listen to more about them especially! Mark Barnett dosent get enough air time so good to hear some more of him, he was totally bad ass, many forget he was a 3 time runner up in SX and SX champ in 81 as well as one of the most dominant 125 racers ever 3 Nat 125 titles in a row, when the rides he was competing with were factory deep in talent, no disrespect to Grants era, but the top five was competitive, Barnett’s era the top 10 were all Factory guys on works machines, not factory parts bikes. Anyways great interview. 🤙
Supercross is the only thing that matters over here anymore. The days of US boys cleaning house at the MXON are long gone. They could move the race to an earlier date and it still wouldn’t change anything. Bummer, but money talks now I guess.
@@EarthSurferUSA I think you miss the point, but you raise good points on cost and gate numbers, though that is more a promoter and factory level commitment and issue and it’s been generated by agendas from the likes of Honda Yamaha even Suzuki from the past. People have short memories, the time when MX was booming was not because economies were booming or that jobs were high paid and everyone had rich parents, in fact quite the opposite, so why were sales high and races a planet and money could be made at local and state races and this was not just a thing in the US, it was pretty representative in Australia and Europe as well. I’m just saying that the amount of races at local level in the 70s and early 80s esp and Dave says this a local rider could make money racing 3 nights a week and some raced 5 nights a week, even pros non factory riders probably struggle to make money ok at the prize money today it’s a joke and this is 40 years later, so something is wrong , this is not limited to just MX, the sport has focused in the US primarily on SX but even in the US outside of Monster a Energy SX how many people ride Super-cross, outside of the US apart from some mocked up invited race event minimal to none, in US outside of pro SX series very little, bike sales and riders starting the sport come from grass roots Motocross not Supercross. Having events and class’s that develop that, grow the sport wide and deep is what drives sales, drives competition in all areas of the sport not just riding and racing, but mechanics, tech, aftermarket etc etc, the sport prior to 2000s was driven bottom up not top down, everything has become elitist, in time SX will suffer, it’s not if, it’s when, when the numbers dry up, development will dry up as will the talent, there will always be talent, but depth competition is what attracts fans and markets for viewing and paying for entertainment. It’s not perfect in Europe I never said that, I said that the 125 class has been a success for some years and at-least they have identified that and done something about it, I personally would love to see the pool of talent like it was in the 80s again, probably will never see that, but then nobody thought the Euros would dominate bike sales or have brands win again in the US or their top riders be considered the fastest in the world either, when was the last time the US won the MXDN, it has been so long ago it is getting hard to remember, but I do know this before 81 the Euros stacked the cards against the Americans ever winning it as well and even though some top riders didn’t want to go, that didn’t stop them, they didn’t make excuses, winners win, they don’t whine and come up with crap, they find a way, that’s how winning is done! You look at someone like Osborne I have huge huge respect for that guy and he barley got a mention by GL, or Ping at the start re the season, they talked about Ferrandis and Martin, which is fine, the. Tomac, oh he was just off, again always with the excuses for that guy, always has had these guys give hi breaks, we’ll Osborne was going to retire due to injury’s he’s older than Tomac and actually if my memories and stats serve me right he’s now the oldest rider to ever win and hold a US Title? He dug deep, didn’t give up when most would have, that’s a Champion, he deserved to be talked about more. But again it’s a name or a brand that is being paid lip service to. Results are all that matter, not excuses. That was why Honda used to be so good, but that was driven by Mr Honda himself, when he passed away so did that will to win he didn’t let the corporate side rule racing, now KTM have that mentality and win everything, they didnt say oh because of emissions laws let’s stop making 2strokes, let slow the budget, no they said let’s listen to the market, let’s win in America, they did they have, I remember when they signed Dungey and people said his career was over , people in this industry, in the Magazines, said a European brand won’t win in America again it’s not like the 70s won’t happen in the premier class, we’ll KtM know how to win and they have and they have been a dominant adversary. They are also starting to win in MotoGP again the people in the know said it couldn’t be done. Winners don’t make excuses they find a way, if the will is there, build it and it will come. Racing grass roots it’s the same thing, it’s just attitude, who’s agenda is doing what and what the manufactures want or commit to and they have made the sport what it is, good with the bad, Next year for example in the EMX class you will have GasGas (yes technically a KTM, Husky, Fantic technically a Yamaha and Yamaha) 5 brands one Japanese! yet we are told emissions hold back racing, BS this is about control by certain manufactures protecting there own agenda’s. Also one of the best things was the 125 AStars series, I know C19 affected that this year, that could be expanded, Its just will and desire to create a series, the way to do that is without bike brand manufacture agenda involvement, aftermarket yes, but let the punters race, bring back a Golden state series, bring back a TransAm, create don’t make excuses! if it could be done in the times like the 70s cold war era, it’s way easier now. One last example VMX (Vintage motocross has one if not the biggest support bases in the sport) That’s how I see it, I have raced ridden since the late 70s as a mini kid up the ranks, watched the different eras evolve, I still love the sport and the top end but imo it’s not matured like it should have.
I would love to see a Keith McCarty show. Maybe have a whole show about the rise and fall of Supermoto, I believe he was heavily involved. .And some Doug Henry stories too, And a MX show also
Hey so my names nathan i live in the uk and acquired a what i think is a rare damon bradshaw which was won through stadium video europe back in 1990 comes with a letter from them signed by robert kinsey along with another with the background to it and its from paris bercy supercross which would make damon around 17 i think! The date on the letter is 30 january 1990 Basically my father who owns it is looking if we can find a contact to get it signed and thought while it was up their with you guys before you send it back jtwould be a good talking/ interview point topic to have with damon my father would be over the moon to hear damons side of the story thanks for reading and look forward to your reply i can send pictures if needed just need a contact email
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This is one of the best moto-person interviews of all time, imo. Thanks, boys!
Dave "i know i'm jumping ahead" Osterman. great show, love the history.
Longtime insider stories are great to hear. Great job as always guys.
Great show. Dave O. is a great interview and a wealth of knowledge and history of the sport.
This show is awesome. Being a 57 yr old lifetime Moto guy it was so cool hearing Dave talk about the riders that I also “ had on my walls “. Keep it up guys !
One of the best interviews if not the best on the show. i would love to sit down and have a beer with Dave Osterman.
I just love your shows. You really get these guys to open up the longer your out there. Thank you!!!
Shows all the people what us old dudes already know.....its not all unicorns and rainbows out there! Lots of sweat and pain and work. Doesnt run smooth, but these guys MAKE IT WORK!!
I love your show. Thanks Pingree and Langston!!!
Love Dave's candidness, and never a lack for words. He'd make a good color commentator.
For blacks?
@@joshbrajevich7699 hehehe
Another great interview, love seeing a new show come up. Dave is smart, and so candid in sharing his wealth of experience
Your show is the best!
Best interview for this sport ever with maybe a Bob Hannah interview being an exception.
Refreshing to hear honesty.
Great job guys! Ping, you’re crushing it like a seasoned pro. Whole show flows great and is seamless.
I've read so much over the years about how Dave Osterman is really difficult or he rubs people the wrong way because he's so outspoken. He's made so many enemies over the years. Well, after watching this, I get that. I can totally see where a lot of people would have trouble working with him. Certainly anyone with any sort of ego. But honestly, I'd LOVE to be able to work for this guy. He's a really smart and affective guy who speaks the truth. He calls BS when it should be called out. Grant and David, great show.
Cool interview!
Nice been waiting for another one. Always killer content, not another moto show like it!
Great interview!! He is spot on about making 250f a full season not east/west. 125 east/west would be great.
another great show
Thanks for posting another show!
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His rants are epic
“ I’d stop,then I’d fucking burn rubber!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
denny bentley is was a young kid from michigan,raced support yamaha 1983 after team suzuki.
WTM is, IMO, the best MX/dirt-related media we have. Other shows rehash the short interviews of the pro riders, and it gets pretty repetitive. How many times can you hear, "the team's great, we're working on tuning the bike, blah blah blah...." and be interested. WTM gives the time to get into the details that differentiate the guests. Hope Ping keeps this going. He's a great host, coming in prepared, and he really knows how to keep the conversation going while keeping the show about the guest. Not an easy task. I do find it kinda funny how he holds double standards for China and pretty much the rest of the planet, though. When Triumph or other companies admit to their use of competitive product in their design and development cycle, it's smart. But, if China does it, it's unethical. I get Ping doesn't know the development world, because if he did, he'd understand that most companies and products are evolutionary designs, and they use the work of others before them, regardless of their source.
I work at ascot in Oklahoma and love to hear y'all talk about ascot out there and have to come out and see some of it.. love the podcast even though ping makes it repetitive lol
15 Fwy and Baseline is what we called it. It was deep whoops and real sandy. It was a track to condition at.
There's also the spot by 6th street on the east side of the 15, a silty sand track. Saw Mike Larocco there riding back in the day.
Love that guy. One more?
Daves awesome !
Request for an episode with the Mx Kied..😎🤘
Coming next week!
That episode was great! I want to know who the two idiots are that didn’t like his episode!?😂
Probably some old dude who raced desert for Cagiva and Larry Brooks😂
Yes Dave is the bomb
Not gonna lie, when i heard Mitch is comming back on i got a tad excited
Another great show guys can't wait for the next ones. Does anyone know if there is a company that restores old gear I have been looking but can't seem to find anyone any help would be greatly appreciated
Dave is fucking awesome 🤘
Dave is a trip!
👍👍👍👍
About the AMA:
· The whole problem with the AMA is that they're still somehow NOT ready to deal with racing at the current level and I don't know if they'll ever be. The AMA is more a federation of motorcycle clubs than it is "the USA's FIM" and either it needs to become that or just leave way for a whole new organization focused on the racing side of things.
About 250F East/West:
· I am also against it because it makes little to no sense. Moto2 guys run the full schedule, even Moto3 guys (some as young as 16 and the minimum age used to be 15) do. You only see reduced schedules for lower classes when the costs get too crazy and there is supposedly a B-way into the main-class championship (being a national rallying championship can get you straight to EuroWRC, then to WRC, no need to go through WRC's Junior class). I was all in for arenacross to be that B-series, for SX/AX to be like ERC/WRC, JuniorMoto3/Moto3, etc.
I also think that amateur classes should be reduced and be less age-focused. It should be just 50cc, 65cc, 85cc, 125cc and 250F (all with mod and stock classes) with some generous age brackets. No B-class, no C-class, no superminis... You should change bikes as you grow but be allowed to have a slightly different pace if you need to or want to. If you're not good enough in qualifying you race in some kind of "B-main" or LCQ like they do in dirt track racing and that's it.
Lol, quite the assumption about WI Dave. Interesting interview.
Who is picking the music? Ping? Love it.
Almost seems like Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki, KTM etc. Called in to shut him up the way David ended the show lmao! Osterman would have rambled on for another few hours and I would have listened! One of the best shows yet.
Re the current enviroment and market of the top end of MX bikes sales and racing’s! the best racing this year in Europe Championships has been in the EMX 125 Championship class (Europoen Motocross Championships) These are the next Jeffery Herlings! Stefan Everts son is currently racing in there, junior Mx champions from 65cc/85cc level are in there, they dont jump straight from Loretta’s into a 250f class, they aren’t just doing more motocross racing, US is full of excuses year in year out since 2010 esp, the Euros are doing to the US, what the US did to them in the early 80s, they are developing there youth racing properly, imo not as good as the US in the 70s/80s but still better than the current generation. 125cc racing is and always will be pivotal to building a wide base of riders, dream will always rise to the top, but the quality of cream with the current excuses in the US and infrastructure is limiting factor. like racing go wide go deep, you can’t go just one way, if you stay in everyone else’s track or line you will run into yourself and them.
Daves an interesting guy, love his straight forward talking no BS, just the way men real people none of today’s BS walk on egg shells answers, love it, wish ya could keep him more in the time line at times though, I especially enjoy hearing about the earlier eras, his back ground, the riders, esp likes of the Euro’s Heki Mikola and Hakan, could listen to more about them especially!
Mark Barnett dosent get enough air time so good to hear some more of him, he was totally bad ass, many forget he was a 3 time runner up in SX and SX champ in 81 as well as one of the most dominant 125 racers ever 3 Nat 125 titles in a row, when the rides he was competing with were factory deep in talent, no disrespect to Grants era, but the top five was competitive, Barnett’s era the top 10 were all Factory guys on works machines, not factory parts bikes.
Anyways great interview. 🤙
Supercross is the only thing that matters over here anymore. The days of US boys cleaning house at the MXON are long gone. They could move the race to an earlier date and it still wouldn’t change anything. Bummer, but money talks now I guess.
@@EarthSurferUSA I think you miss the point, but you raise good points on cost and gate numbers, though that is more a promoter and factory level commitment and issue and it’s been generated by agendas from the likes of Honda Yamaha even Suzuki from the past.
People have short memories, the time when MX was booming was not because economies were booming or that jobs were high paid and everyone had rich parents, in fact quite the opposite, so why were sales high and races a planet and money could be made at local and state races and this was not just a thing in the US, it was pretty representative in Australia and Europe as well.
I’m just saying that the amount of races at local level in the 70s and early 80s esp and Dave says this a local rider could make money racing 3 nights a week and some raced 5 nights a week, even pros non factory riders probably struggle to make money ok at the prize money today it’s a joke and this is 40 years later, so something is wrong , this is not limited to just MX, the sport has focused in the US primarily on SX but even in the US outside of Monster a Energy SX how many people ride Super-cross, outside of the US apart from some mocked up invited race event minimal to none, in US outside of pro SX series very little, bike sales and riders starting the sport come from grass roots Motocross not Supercross.
Having events and class’s that develop that, grow the sport wide and deep is what drives sales, drives competition in all areas of the sport not just riding and racing, but mechanics, tech, aftermarket etc etc, the sport prior to 2000s was driven bottom up not top down, everything has become elitist, in time SX will suffer, it’s not if, it’s when, when the numbers dry up, development will dry up as will the talent, there will always be talent, but depth competition is what attracts fans and markets for viewing and paying for entertainment. It’s not perfect in Europe I never said that, I said that the 125 class has been a success for some years and at-least they have identified that and done something about it, I personally would love to see the pool of talent like it was in the 80s again, probably will never see that, but then nobody thought the Euros would dominate bike sales or have brands win again in the US or their top riders be considered the fastest in the world either, when was the last time the US won the MXDN, it has been so long ago it is getting hard to remember, but I do know this before 81 the Euros stacked the cards against the Americans ever winning it as well and even though some top riders didn’t want to go, that didn’t stop them, they didn’t make excuses, winners win, they don’t whine and come up with crap, they find a way, that’s how winning is done!
You look at someone like Osborne I have huge huge respect for that guy and he barley got a mention by GL, or Ping at the start re the season, they talked about Ferrandis and Martin, which is fine, the. Tomac, oh he was just off, again always with the excuses for that guy, always has had these guys give hi breaks, we’ll Osborne was going to retire due to injury’s he’s older than Tomac and actually if my memories and stats serve me right he’s now the oldest rider to ever win and hold a US Title? He dug deep, didn’t give up when most would have, that’s a Champion, he deserved to be talked about more. But again it’s a name or a brand that is being paid lip service to. Results are all that matter, not excuses.
That was why Honda used to be so good, but that was driven by Mr Honda himself, when he passed away so did that will to win he didn’t let the corporate side rule racing, now KTM have that mentality and win everything, they didnt say oh because of emissions laws let’s stop making 2strokes, let slow the budget, no they said let’s listen to the market, let’s win in America, they did they have, I remember when they signed Dungey and people said his career was over , people in this industry, in the Magazines, said a European brand won’t win in America again it’s not like the 70s won’t happen in the premier class, we’ll KtM know how to win and they have and they have been a dominant adversary. They are also starting to win in MotoGP again the people in the know said it couldn’t be done. Winners don’t make excuses they find a way, if the will is there, build it and it will come.
Racing grass roots it’s the same thing, it’s just attitude, who’s agenda is doing what and what the manufactures want or commit to and they have made the sport what it is, good with the bad, Next year for example in the EMX class you will have GasGas (yes technically a KTM, Husky, Fantic technically a Yamaha and Yamaha) 5 brands one Japanese! yet we are told emissions hold back racing, BS this is about control by certain manufactures protecting there own agenda’s.
Also one of the best things was the 125 AStars series, I know C19 affected that this year, that could be expanded, Its just will and desire to create a series, the way to do that is without bike brand manufacture agenda involvement, aftermarket yes, but let the punters race, bring back a Golden state series, bring back a TransAm, create don’t make excuses! if it could be done in the times like the 70s cold war era, it’s way easier now.
One last example VMX (Vintage motocross has one if not the biggest support bases in the sport) That’s how I see it, I have raced ridden since the late 70s as a mini kid up the ranks, watched the different eras evolve, I still love the sport and the top end but imo it’s not matured like it should have.
I would love to see a Keith McCarty show. Maybe have a whole show about the rise and fall of Supermoto, I believe he was heavily involved. .And some Doug Henry stories too, And a MX show also
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Hey so my names nathan i live in the uk and acquired a what i think is a rare damon bradshaw which was won through stadium video europe back in 1990 comes with a letter from them signed by robert kinsey along with another with the background to it and its from paris bercy supercross which would make damon around 17 i think! The date on the letter is 30 january 1990 Basically my father who owns it is looking if we can find a contact to get it signed and thought while it was up their with you guys before you send it back jtwould be a good talking/ interview point topic to have with damon my father would be over the moon to hear damons side of the story thanks for reading and look forward to your reply i can send pictures if needed just need a contact email
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