Could Modern UK Ships & Aircraft Defend London From V-1 & V-2 Flying Bombs? (WarGames 211) | DCS
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2024
- Today we ask the question of whether modern UK assets like the Type 45 Destroyer and Eurofighter Typhoon could have fully protected England from the German WWII V-1 Flying Bombs and V-2 Rockets.
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1:53 Attempt With WWII Defense
18:03 Attempt With Type 45 Destroyer & Eurofighters
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I believe it was well known that RAF pilots would use F3 fly-by view to spot V1's.
I checked a book and the book agrees with this.
😂
The V-1s didn't merely fly until they ran out of fuel. They had a kind of mechanical autopilot. There was a little propellor on the nose connected to an odometer. This propellor would windmill in the air flow, clocking up the odometer as it did so. The launch crew would have "programmed" the distance for it to fly just before launch. When the odometer reached this preset distance, there was a mechanism to shut the fuel valve and jam the elevators into a full nose-down pitch configuration. The bomb would thus plummet out of the sky at its desired distance from the launch site.
Obviously, the launch crew had to make a best guess for wind conditions at the V-1's cruising altitude, but I think that's a part of why they never went particularly high up.
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Wasn‘t this also used sometime to „crash“ the V1. I remember reading somewhere that V1s where also downed by Planes like the Tempest, which could keep up, by them flying their wing under the V1s Wing and „flipping“ the V1 over
@@mrvice2351Yeah, the GRs tried to do this but it wasn't working, so they just ran their faces into the V1s instead.
@mrvice2351 - yes, the wing-flip was a thing. I think Matrix tried to do this in the video, but off-camera.
makes me wonder if local wind speed and direction was top secret during WW2.. the enemy would need to know these two things to correctly strike london...if the wind speed was faster than anticipated for example, wouldn't the propellor spin faster thus prematurely triggering the dive? or maybe not sensetive enough to matter? or maybe the munition was never intended to be anywhere near being considered precision based, and it didn't matter where it landed?
The "what if" missions like these have been great lately, thanks Cap et. al
Agreed. Especially dissimilar combat and situations. Gets people thinking outside the box.
@@jimrussell4062 I just suggested my own. Izumo class amphib gets plonked in with the IJN during a battle they historically lost.
That's a Colt NINETEEN-ELEVEN to you, Simba.
Yep.
his is just quite a bit older.
Cap- runs out of Fox-3 "Fine Fox 4 it is!"
The Type 45 isn't equipped with any Sea Ceptor missiles currently, just a mixture of Aster 15 and 30 (basically all Aster 30 these days). The plan is for it to have 24 Sea Ceptor missiles and keep its 48 Aster 30 (upgraded block) for a missile total of 72 missiles.
Yeah the one I saw in the Bahamas a few months ago didn’t have em, hull number 33
The HMS dauntless, ship motto never despair.
Hull number 33
Makes you wonder how much of a slaughter it's going to be if they see ship on ship combat any time soon and only equipped with Anti air missiles more then anything
No they are still a mixture of 15s and 30s. Amongst the worlds most expensive ship launched air defence missiles fired against $10,000 drones due to the lack of weapons systems aboard pathetically under-funded Type 45.
@@LondonSteveLee They are getting some practice in, gaining real world experience and useful data for the future of the aster program. Some of the missiles being fired are mach 5 scud derivatives - not just drones. Not all cost can be directly measured in $$$
The fact that there were Spitfire and Mustang pilots who had the balls and skill to fly up alongside these cruise missiles, then getting their wing under the missile and using air pressure, cause it to 'tip over' and crash to the ground, is genuinely incredible. Respect to that kind of skill.
17:40 someone living in that street REALLY pissed of the Germans!
Not funny?
Why were the V1’s all going to one target? Was it just to keep track of how many arrived at a target, or was there no way to individually target them in the sim?
I never thought about just how many missiles a modern warship carries. Quite impressive. This really put it into perspective because my first thought was "there's no way one ship can intercept 40 missiles."
There was a paper study conducted into possible interception of the V-2. I can't remember which department commissioned it. They worked out that, if the radar operators were able to provide an accurate track for the missile's projected course, they could saturate the air in front of the missile with flak, and they'd have a 1 in 60 chance of shooting it down. Of course, each such attempt would have required huge amounts of AA ammo, and it was never even attempted in practice. All such ideas were rendered moot when the Allies conquered Germany and captured the factories where the V-2s were being built.
People forget that AA guns flak comes back down and hits people/buildings
@jadall77 - in England in the 1940s it mostly landed in fields.
Biggest issue was the V-2 was so inaccurate that the radar plot couldn't tell you where the thing was going to land.
There is evidence that about half the deaths in the blitz were due to aa
@@jadall77 Yes, but non aerodynamic. Given the choice of getting hit by 260kg of shrapnel (20 rounds less filler) or a 250kg bomb, everyone is going to pick the shrapnel. Something as basic as plywood or a thick jacket is going to keep you safe-ish and mostly uninjured from the rain of fragments. A 155 is 50m lethal and only 45kg.
the Spitfire has to be one of the best looking (and sounding) aircraft ever built.....
2:56 Merlin Engine Torquesteer in action.
3:15 The best advice I have for people flying a simulated Spitfire or a P-51 is to use two fingers on the joystick.
Yep, that is exactly I prefer simulated flying with the P-47, Mosquito and the A-20 Havoc.
Being on the receiving end of a Scud missile in 1991 during Desert Storm as part of a Special UK forces team the collateral damage it caused was horrendous. The pressure wave goes right through your body. Although a pretty unreliable weapon it’s pretty effective when not intercepted.
Fun video, the V-1's had an acoustic pulse jet engine, which is how it got its unique sound. It is a good design for fuel efficiency. I wonder what war bird would do the best at intercepting the V-1's. I think 109K may do well, but ammo would be a problem.
I believe the Typhoons and tempests were the original aircraft they used to intercept the v-1’s. But would love to see if other warbirds performed this role better
Mosquitos
@@joshuasenior4370 For a wacky option, the Do-335 which was rather fast down low.
I'd say Meteors with quad 20mm.
Just the radar on the Euros is a huge adavantage over the Spits. Then add speed and missiles.
Awww the sound on the Spitfires flying past 😊
Love the recent vids, keep it up GR!!
Another great mission GR!
Far out, imagine being on the ground hearing the pulse jet of the V1 overhead and a Spitfire chasing it. Terrifying
Just out of curiosity, you have Tacview right? That's often pretty useful for these kind of mock engagements since you track the various launches
BTW: I was told by a content creator that the replies he gets don't always seem to be linked to all posts, so to clarify, this is the "Could Modern UK Ships & Aircraft Defend London From V-1 & V-2 Flying Bombs? (WarGames 211) | DCS" video.
Very nice that you actually used a spit with low level wings.
Brilliant scenario! Would have liked to see how the destroyer passed under Westminster Bridge.😮
Great video today. Love the RAF videos.
I would love to have a coffee mug, t-shirt or hat that has the GR logo and the phrase "...go and get another one..." Instantly bought.
recently i saw a photo of a v1 crash landed in a field in the area I grew up. weird that it was in historical archive, but basically everyone in my village, old people included didnt seem to know about it.
great video!
Have you ever tried to use Spitfires to intercept more modern equipment, like Shahed Kamikaze Drones?
Not yet.
The Fi 103 (V1) did not run out of fuel.
Their air log (prop at the front, 30:1, 5-digit counter in the back) caused a terminal dive at 00000, cutting the rudder servo air hoses, jamming the elevator servo link and deploying 2 spoilers on the elevators. (No ailerons, thus flippable.) The planned power dive did not work as usually that dive would cut the fuel flow.
About 10% of the V1s had a very simple, one tube, radio with a trailing antenna unspooled and turned on about 60 km before the target, tracking of the signal would give the impact at the last fix. That allowed "walking" the fire on the target by adjusting distance and course (corrected magnetic compass + stabilising gyros).
Several systems for in-flight course updated were worked on but AFAIK not used in production.
It seems to me a heat-seeking missile should be optimal as their thermal signature from the rear should be like a jet on afterburner.
lol love the take offs
Oh. That's part of the Axis of Time trilogy. Decent story series.
Hooked on your antics
face defense, best defense
To actually make this properly as a time-displaced vessel, you should have had the type-45 down by Tower Bridge, as it would not make it under any of the other bridges, even at low tide......
The V1 buzz bombs had an average cruising speed of 313 knots.
“Go and get another one”. The Tag Line of GR
commenting early, but 01:07 should be tempests or typhoons as they were fast enough to catch up to the V-1s
I didn't know Sea Ceptors were effective against ballistic missiles.
I think the V-2's actually only impacted at around mach 1 from memory?
@@grimreapers looks like according to Google it was M2.3. Would be interesting to see even if the SC could make the intercept what effect it would have on a rocket weighing 28k pounds traveling at that speed.
Gonzalo Alejandro - Negras Tyhoon (feat. The Downhill Meteors)
We need Simba cockpit video, he’s a natural at this as to you are a natural at the PC programming aspect… so, basically Simba probably offers the better video footage.
The VLS V1 sounds amazing 😂
In Afrikaans we call a raccoon a ”wasbeer," which is probably borrowed from the German Waschbär.
That was good ang interesting. Happy Easter all. 🐥🐤🐣🐰🐰🐇🎉🎇🎆🎊✌️
Howdy cap, what software do you use to record your screen ?
It’s a great day!
Interesting, your videos were not being send to me for a few months, to the point I almost forgot about the channel. Then all of a sudden they sent me the latest one a few minutes after release. RUclips's algorithms are crazy and inefficient on the most simplest of tasks.
Im pretty sure it’s censoring the videos. I couldent find new GR vids even when I explicitly searched for them.
Went to channel page, nothing new even though they were uploading. They did give me the videos tho
@@user-og4vk6mc9iThat's interesting because I've been seeing all of them pop up every day. I'm in the US. Where is this happening for you guys?
Do you have your Grim Reapers channel notifications set to “all”? Because if not, then that’s your issue.
I did a vid about Taiwan vs China about 2 years ago, directly after that and ever since YT cut my reach from around 400,000 viewers to less than 100,000 viewers. Nothing I can do about it.
Seems to be ok in Canada 🇨🇦 (thankfully)
"There'll be Eurofighters over... The white cliffs of dover..."
Need to add a better damage mod when you shoot the v1 from behind .. Actual pilots where very wary of damage from the explosion and debris from the V1 .... That would give you a rather more difficult challenge ..if not impossible
I'm so happy. Thank you Cap, and God bless the United Kingdom
Mod Download link doesn't seem to work/exist anymore for me anyways. I might have just glazed over the whole forum post in link above but hey, I couldn't find the download so I feel like other people won't be able to either.
It worked a few days ago but maybe he;s removed it? Sorry.
Given the official line is the 45 can take out a cricket ball and mack 2 or something like that it going to be ammo.
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Probably if there was enough!
Was Raymond Baxter’s wing man
R A Sutherland
Matrix ???
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VI hard to stop? I've heard thaat British pilots would get in close with his wing under the VI wing and tip the thing over causing it to nose dive.
What 6 is hard to stop? Or did you mean V1?
Yeah, the Tempest and Typhoon were good for that job as well. I believe they used the jet powered Meteor towards the end of the war.
great video as always but just tried the link and don't seem to be working I'm afraid none of the link on the forum page work :(
That;s the problem with mods, they change the links all time, it drives me nuts!
Regarding all the Rockets air-lainched from the fighters sounding like V-1's...
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I would like to see if the newly refitted Izumo class "helicopter destroyer" equipped with "12 or more" F-35B would make a notable change to history!
Your pick of IJN loss against the US in WWII, but for some reason, the Izumo is brought in. The crew, honor bound by bushido, must fight alongside the Izumo against the Allied horde.
You and the boys will play as the US, respawns allowed. The IJN (including their future vessel) will be controlled by AI, once they're out of ammo/fuel/planes/ships they lose, unless they make a significant difference to how the battle originally went.
There’s a really interesting alternate history novel series by John Beringham where a destroyer (among other ships) from 2030 gets sent back in time to 1942 and one of HM ships actually performs this exact role
John Birmingham,... axis of time series?
@@andyf4292 that’s the one!
23:07 nice!!!
Is it just me, or the download link on the DCS Forum site doesn't work? I'm getting "the file you have requested does not exist" error message.
Although the weapon is not intended for or cleared to intercept medium speed air to air targets - Brimstone would actually be our best air-to-air weapon against V1 simply because you can carry three of them on a single rail. Given the fact that V1 does not really alter course or speed very much and it's got a significant metallic content, Brimstone would track it easily.
I believe pilots attempted the wing tip flip even when they had ammo for fear of the explosion damaging their plane.
More V-2 would’ve made it to ground more reliably than the scuds … because they were less accurate and at least one would’ve come down out of the destroyer’s range.
dcs modding is like the minecraft of flight simulation
The V1 could be set to shut off it jet and flip its ailerons into a dive if necessary. Iirc they used tower bridge as their aiming point, not thinking they would hit it.
Sorry not ailerons, elevators.
Do you think Hawker Typhoons or Tempests would outperform Spitfire Mk IX on V1 interceptions?
went bascially as i expected and if the mods had worked properly the v1 interception would have happend a lot lot sooner. i wonder if the destroyer was in a more open position (not surrounded but buildings) if that may hve made a differnce (given dcs crude nature in a lot of ways no clue if this does or does not mke a differnce)
2:42 Are they Spitfires? The wings seem somewhat wrong. I could be wrong as I have never played DCS but they just seem a little off.
Yes clipped wing mk9s.
Pretty close, Cap. The V1 did about 360Mph (and that close with a Spit you'd be a cloud of pink mist killing them).
Install a Cat in your workshop. It's a "seek and destroy" anti rodent system. You can also talk to it in times of troubles.
I've got two so they can work opposite shifts.
Then install a dog, to get rid of the cat problem 🙀
@@MichaelBarry-gz9xl There is no cat problem! There is only a "not enough cats" cat problem, which is not solved with a dog.
@@advorak8529 You think that's air your breathing
@@MichaelBarry-gz9xl Tell me what I am breathing then - water?
If this happens today can you please let the ones heading for parliament get through and get all others to help the people thanks.
Amen!
How did they get the DD under all the bridges!?
Westminster Bridge only has about 5 meter clearance
It was teleported there obviously.
ermm used the naval gun to cut a hole in the bridges?
@@grimreapers I was going to say the same, but i don't know how deep the river is vs the ships draft and if the debris would block the channel. That's why I went with teleportation
They disassembled it and then built it again in situ, took about 3 hours.
Crazy that this is most likely how the RAF helped take down Iranian drones bound for Israel a few days ago.
Where is the flight sim for this available.
One tactic used by Pilots when taking down a v1 was they would fly next to the v1 and use the tip of their wing to flip the v1 upside-down so it would lose stability and crash
Is also what they tried to do in the game.
@butterfliege885 it was the only way my grandad was a Sargent in the raf first served in uk then served in Egypt against rommel my Nan was in a factory making the ammunition used by the raf the stories they told me I would never forget
Probably havent modelled an ir sig for the v1.
Add a second destroyer and I bet nothing gets through.
Wikipedia says the V-1’s average speed was 340 mph at between 3,300 and 3,900 feet. Maybe the speed increased as fuel burned off? Yours seemed to be at 500’ or less.
Did you have batteries of QF 3.7-inch guns deployed along the coast? They’re in DCS. I’m not sure if you can match them up with fire-control radar or at least optical range-finder.
How about using some Mosquitos?
How about MB-339s w/30mm cannon pods to sort of act as Meteors? They have Rolls-Royce Viper engines, at least.
Fuel burn off. Minimum speed 150 mph, catapult launch got them to 200 mph initial air speed (the Argus As 014 would not have been able to accelerate it to even stall speed all alone --- jet engines are not great at low speed, ram air dependent pulse jets even less so), landfall at 340 mph, 400 mph over London.
QF 3.7" needed to be in concrete permanent emplacements or the improvised Pyle platform or they would not track fast enough.
Mosquitos were used at night. The light from the engine made the V1s visible for miles.
How did that ship get under the bridges
-- Pixy --
If you shot the V1 as close as CAP does you'd be dead.
A French pilot flying the Mk XIV Spit saw thar the v1 was about to hit a hospital. So he flew very close as he had only a few rounds left. He hit it and died in the explosion.
How fast is the V1 in DCS? In this video it looks like toooooooooooooo slooooooooooooow... shoud be flying over 600Km/h but appears to be way slower than that
Should have used the Gloster Meteor.
They did. They had the speed ... but an unreliable cannon, so they only got 13.
Wouldn't the mosquito be a better option than the spitfire
Wikipedia says that V1 did 400 mph
tbf shooting down a liquid fuel rocket on take off is quite reasonable. They go slow at first. A solid rocket motor one is a lot less gemuetlich.
Except when a massive space shuttle plus tank is attached to it of course. And even that went off the pad faster than a Saturn V.
Did you guns bleep yourself on purpose at 23:47?
😂😅😂The raf wouldnt get off the ground quick enough now days.
Can we send the V2's over to find out
Hmm. I wonder with UK F35s, (granted loadout pretty limited compared to typhoon) if the AIM 9Xs would track the V1s, we know they can track piston aircraft
We only have about thirty F-35 pilots - and that includes the ones borrowed from the US. Stil,m we have even fewer F-35s and being that you need three to keep one in the air as they're so unreliable - an utter joke of an aircraft for an utter joke of a Navy.
@@LondonSteveLee f35 is not without its issues but is vastly superior to your trite and informal leanings, which are opinion and have no bearing in actuality. Only someone with no vested interest in aerospace would actually be verging on racism over a pile of nuts and bolts. Sad.
lol Cap goes for a wing tip with a typhoon and miss times it and plants his face into one, So Cap does a thing…..
Now try with a nuclear attack from the USSR in the cold war! Great fun Cap, thanks a lot!
Don't know if this is possible, but have you seen or read Gate (Thus the JSDF Fought There!)?
Soooo, what difference would the JSDF forces depicted in the anime/manga/light novel have made at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields?
Or the Battle of Helm's Deep, had reinforcements not arrived?
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I can guess exactly what's going to happen now..."
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How's that t45 got under the bridges to anchor there?
Magic!
They roll at 45º to get under bridge with some good trim action.
@@grimreapers can they do it without the engines breaking?
is wep a historical thing? I thought it was just from warthunder
My Mum remembers a V1, flying over Maidstone, cutting out and having to dive to the ground. Not something a five year old should have to do.
I’m goin to say the v1 against the mod fighters easy, the mod destroyer vs V2 should be easy, the period fighters will get some but there will be some bleeding of the v1 & as you say no def against v2’s
with missiles you have more than enough time to de-conflict. everyone firing simultaneously was unnecessary at best. that said...gun kills are fun.