REVIEW: Waves Infected Mushroom Pusher
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2017
- My review of the Waves Infected Mushroom Pusher plug-in. I'm honest!
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3:00 - They're not saying they can't master their songs, they're saying it's hard and they spent a lot of time doing it.
You should eat some infected mushrooms before using it, then the magic kicks in and Harry Potter is flying by. Please read the manual 😜
Oh yeah, that little orange/red light that is lighting up in the input knobmeans you are clipping the input!!! You need to gain stage it first.
People continously seem to prefer shortcuts instead of knowledge.
Is that bad thing ? If you were a industry producer that had to pump out multiple tracks a day for various artist this could help for a speedy rough mix. What's wrong with capitalize off of how technology is advancing?
@@whatareyouselling9811 no soul baby
First of all, congrats to your channel, overall I find it really amusing. Now, I still have not checked out this plug-in (although I have the Mercury bundle, so it should be there somewhere), but wanted to say something about your reviews of "magic" plug-ins.
I do totally agree with you, that most of these are not a good tool for any mix engineer or mastering engineer, wanting to really get control over the sonic nature of a mix, or even single tracks.
And most of them apply an effects chain, so we can't control how much of any given effect they provide. However, as a musician and producer, I must say that some of these plugs color your sound in a way, that might come in handy sometimes. If you have these plugs IN ADDITION to your bread and butter ones, and you just feel like a single element could use exactly that kind of boost, it is a great way of speeding up things while programming, composing etc., in order not to get too caught up in sound design details during this creative process. And some of these plugs actually sound quite cool in their own way.
So, all I'm saying is: I agree a 100% that these plugs are not any substitution for a good self made chain you can tweak individually, especially not an analog one. And they are definitely no substitute for engineering skills (or an engineers ears). But that doesn't necessarily mean they are completely useless for musicians/arrangers in some situations. Then again, this specific one might be just that :)
I'll cheek soon......
I've used this on rock tracks, and like others have said; once you learn how to use it, it really is awesome..It does add depth and width if you want it. I prefer the dynamic perception function on the Slate FG-X to the one on the IM Pusher, so i put that in front of this in my mastering chain (But only for the dynamics perception function), and finish with this. Once you get the input gain set right, and compensate the volume in the lower right corner, the push knob is very useful. As is the magic knob using the focus slider for bringing out a vocal. Would I rather use a Neve Portico II Mastering Module, and hardware EQ? Sure I would.... but that chain would cost me like $7-8K, and this thing cost me $30. I literally deleted all that Ozone crap I was trying to use when I figured out how to use this. When a truck full of money falls in my lap, I'll use hardware. For now, my mastering bus is The Fabfilter EQ, FG-X, into this, to tape.
I can hear more "depth," which is not a bad thing at all.
I have this and it really really helps me get a clear yet full master. But it isn’t a replacement for mastering just an extra helpfull tool
It does exactly what they say it does, use it on a mix especially that hasn't been mastered or even fully mixed properly and you'll get something at least fairly commercially acceptable or use it on something not totally polished you can test in a venue. Basically an oversimplified mastering chain in one plugin, very convenient and being infected mushroom they've managed to get the limiter and everything else to affect the sound without ruining the musicality.
I lolled when you selected two knobs at the same time when one was set to 100 and the other to 0 and didn't get why you couldn't move them. It was good.
track is in C maj
Clipping only takes the spikes off the kick and snare and doesn't change the signal of the bulk of the material i.e. the instruments. This is how Skrillex and Zomboy and all those guys get ridiculously loud and still sounds punchy.
Did you build Ardour from the source code? Just wondering.
yes
I like how transparent it is. Its not muscled in like most plugins are just to impress beginners. It is adding subtle but good clarity and it took him for a while to incorporate the body and the low-end threshold together. Going to demo it today I think.
So it's a tool primarily for mastering?
+cryogeneric it junk
4:23 What song is this? I like it.
The "Magic" sounds like soft knee compression with a little high shelf EQ
For dubstep this plug in can be useful if you know how to work with it.
I don't like the idea of a "magic" function in an audio processor. I like to know exactly what I'm doing and I prefer simple tools that do one thing and let me understand what they do, instead of using complex tools that do 5 things at once with a single knob, because it's then making me do random things and not really understand my sound. I prefer to use 5 simple plugins in chain that I know exactly what are doing and why I want to use them instead.
Just use your ears
The "Magic" is very well explained in the manual.... read it!
I like that you're honest. We really share opinions^^ I also love Analog stuff, sadly I don't have enough money to effort any of the stuff I'd like to have ): But hey, it's just a matter of months till I can get some stuff :D
After watching your review I almost didn't buy it, but I downloaded a demo for it, and I heard significant improvements. The sound was not just getting louder, but fatter.
I think it's more than an EQ and a limiter. It also does some harmonic excitement.
I read on some website that it may be a combination of Vitamin and L2 maximizer under the hood.
In your video, it doesn't make a big difference. Not sure if you're giving it enough juice on the input, or what's going on.
Anyway, I'm pleased with it. Of course there's no flexibility with the cutoff frequencies between the different bands, but its simplicity gets a lot of the job done. Maybe it can be complemented with an EQ before in the chain.
I ended up buying it for Black Friday.
I have that plug-in and it really works well. I recommend a plug-in to anybody who does mastering.
OK - so I saw this vid last week and thought I am not getting that..I just got it for free from Waves sale and I freakin love it..I do R&B Pop and it adds clarity , delivers more punch and dynamics..So maybe it works well on R&B and not on EDM which is odd ..ok I'm done!
What's that song?
+Ronel Ramtahal darude - sandstorm
No!
These guys are really good sound engineers and designers and they definitely "dummed" down for this plugin, as you can see with a lot of the new Waves stuff, it's designed for musician and laymans users. These guys have definitely been at the top of the trance scene for over 20 years, Erez is very capable and can master, but i'm sure it more convenient for sales to make it seem like this plugin is what they use ;) These new waves plugins are getting pretty unnecessary now haha
Trance ≠ music. EDM ≠ music. Dubstep ≠ music. Et Cetera. When you have someone actually playing an instrument, you are dealing with music. The aforementioned things are the product of people who can't make real music, but have computers. The people who make those sounds are engineers, not musicians. Let's not confuse the two. A good musician will not just understand his/her instruments, but enough about production to be able to use those instruments to take the artistic ideas in their heads and be able to put them together in a way that evokes emotion in the listener. Sound engineers make noises that keep people occupied when they are under the influence of particular substances. A good musician will make you feel something intense by communicating something profoundly human through their medium. But a good one also knows how to take it from A-Z. I don't mean a great cellist needs to have industry leading final mastering skills, but they should have enough technical knowledge to be able to get along. I ran into the same thing in the Graphic Design world. You had your kids who just knew how to use the software, but couldn't make anything that was worth seeing, and the "artists" who had these visions (most of them not worth the paper on which they were printed) but didn't know how to get anything to press. I was never satisfied relying on someone else's expertise. A good balance of left and right brain skills is a must. These EDM/Trance/House/Dubstep/you name the next one manufacturers have some kind of skill, but they are really just producing mild variations of the same crap at the end of the day, and without some kind of consciousness altering substance to make it listenable, it's just garbage. No dynamics, no emotion, no substance. Just like this silly plugin.
Then why are you watching this video, old man?
Old men (like me) have also the thirst to learn new stuff, and make their recording projects better, even though they aren't interested in electronic mainstream music... I've made a trance track as a joke on a hardware synth, without any programming and computers and it was still the easiest music I've ever made....
@@ChocPretz Because Wytse is an incredibly talented engineer/producer, and he's very entertaining. I also watched Dan Worrall take an insipid compilation of samples and use FabFilter Pro-MB like an instrument and actually turn it into something interesting. It's not emotionally or philosophically evocative like pre-80s music was before the industry became another risk-free arm of the propaganda machine-dumb them down and keep them busy doing things of no importance so we can continue our rampage of destruction and plunder without pesky musicians with enough brains and talent to make people think and feel-but it was amazing to see what an expert like Dan can do to turn garbage into something not-so-flaccid. Wytse is incredibly talented at what he does, and his videos attract an eclectic audience because his tastes are eclectic.
HASHEAVEN Cool! Post it and we’ll see how it sounds. If it’s so easy for you then why don’t you send it off to a label so you can get signed and make a ton of money! Sounds like easy money for you because of your natural talent! Would feel like an opportunity wasted if you didn’t!
I've used this plugin here and there on drum tacks and got some nice results. In seconds!
For a quick 5 minute master it is brilliant. If you want to hear the song sounding nice whilst it is still incomplete, it allows a sound enhancement without doing a full master. Great for me if I produce something and want a non techy persons opinion, Joe public can't look past the muffled unfinished sound. This helps make it cleaner so they can listen to the song and not be put off by the quality.
I bet all the dislikes are from Infected Mushroom fans. I really enjoy their music, but I don't think it should bias me towards liking this plugin. Maybe it's a great tool for them to do a few things that they do all the time, and it's a time saver. I guess it highly depends of people's workflow. Maybe some people will find this plugin doing a few things they need a lot quicker than a few other plugins stacked. Anyway - gonna watch the "versus" video now. Thanks fro great content, White Sea!
You gotta think from a DJ perspective this is a quick way to onboard a track quickly to match the sound of the current track or get it up to a standard during a live performance. That’s why it’s so simple. Also it’s for a DJ.
Does the stereo spread affect the lows?
no!
So today I use this for the first time but the way I'm using it is in Cubase 10 and I'm actually using it in the stereo track in the mix session.
mixdown and basically on your stereo out you would put this plugin infected mushroom pusher so you go back and play your songs in real time reference to your speakers subwoofers and you know mess with it and it does work with a good sound but first spin the time mixing your session down and do some referencing.
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Now Domestic is engaged in their mastering, in any case, these guys can do a lot that many do not know how, and their tracks talk about that. Plugin is just a business/ i Want you review Manipulator
Perfect , honest opinion and very fun review.
i watch the oder videos of this guy and he knows what he is doing thumps UP
Thanks a lot!
I wish I could say the same for the recent videos
Hello, cool glasses, which model glasses do you have?
+IBmusic_vector haha, I don't know 😂
ahahah))) cool!)
Hey man, good work on the reviews, nice to see someone telling it like it is for a change :-)
That has always been my intention!
most reviews just say what a great plugin this is because the reviews want to keep getting free stuff ! plus most of them don't actually mix recored for a living !!!
and by this i mean what ever they are reviewing at the time, not this specific plugin.
The thing is: I want to be independent, and by asking for free stuff, you aren't. Other than that, I earn my living from the studio, and not RUclips, so that makes being honest a lost easier!
keep up the good work ...... i enjoy your no bullshit channel, although your work flow would drive me crazy, eqing then printing !
Make sure to always get the input set right... otherwise all the processes aren't doing what they are intended. Always need to do that first when dealing with these "all in one" plugins
Don't stop making videos. Really enjoyable and helpful. Love to get you a pint as a thank you!
you can do all of those processing with the native pluggings of any daw and in a much controlled way...everybody has a mushroom pusher in their daw...
Wow I'm actually impressed by it looking at what it did on the song at the end of the video
+1 for using Ardour DAW :)
why why why in the fk didnt i see this video before i bought the shroom!! i though i was gonna get high with it!!!!!!!!
jonrobin Rock Throwers lol nice
Dude i love man.....you crack me up,...but good info
Thanks for your review
interesting enough, B.P.Empire is one of my reference tracks ..
If you guys get your stuff to sound like that track, you have my respect. With or without mushrooms ;)
You should give their new one a shot. ALOT of options!
hahah, love your review, glad I watched this before buying it lol
wooo ik nam net een slok van mn glas thee zonder thee, en jij begint te praten over thee zonder thee... mind=blown
is all in da mix dawg
This guy almost always disregards the fact that a plug-in still has its own sonic character. Plain and simple; use a plug-in regardless of what it is modeled after. Use your ears to determine if it’s good for your track or tracks.
Jossue Castaneda underrated comment
I’ve watched a few of your videos now. Your ‘reviews’ consist of you just fumbling your way around a plugin, turning everything to 10 and wondering why it sounds bad. Read a manual.
From what i hear... The magic knob just boost the stereo of the the high and mid frequencies. It's like open eq on side mode and boost the mids and highs
What are you on about? Magic knob sounds fantastic!! It's just a subtle glue, tighter on the low end still with a lot of depth on the sub frequencies. It's a mastering/bus plugin not for crazy effects.
There's a lid for every pot, as they say. I'm glad you're getting use out of it. If you know what it's doing, why not just do it yourself without the plugin? I'd rather know what something is doing and adjust it for each song, but some people aren't into that, do I guess Waves is great for that segment. That is one thing I have mixed feelings about regarding Logic. There are these "magic" FX combos that secretly do a bunch of stuff with just a couple of simple controls. But sometimes it does it by creating ghost side chains or busses, and you can't really control them. They were handy, but not worth going back to Logic from REAPER. I'd rather just figure out how to do it with FabFilter. People end up getting nickel and dimed by cheap Waves plugins, and eventually end up spending more than the FF production bundle would have cost them.
Compared to Manipulator and Gatekeeper, this doesn't seem nearly as usable.
Lol you are amazing, "20 years in the biz and still not capable of doing mastering".
Probably it would be worth checking their discography and hear their self mastered music before jumping to conclusions, pretty impresive work, theyre just insane in so many levels.
boz digital labs give fab filter a run for there money btw
It is not like what you think....clippers are instant and don't use attack and release, the transient is better preserved
You're my hero! Thank you for these snake oil videos.
Much love,
Xx
OTT can do it better
Not really the same thing, though. But I see what you mean.
...ott is a multiband compressor. this is a soft clipper/limiter, eq, saturation, exciter, with small compressor....so your comparing and apple to potatoe
great content man!
Gain stage the input signal until it's yellow first.
Reading the plugin instructions is the best way to optimise any software design...
Also you can really tell the difference if you are using headphones
Why would he need a headphone when he has a pro grade studio, with pro grade monitors. There's a reason he listens to it on reference monitors, if those don't pick up the subtle nuances in the audio, headphones most definitely won't. Mind you this guy does sound for a living.
4:06 that face says "20 years bro..that hurts"
I love these vids. I wouldn't really consider them reviews, per se. They are more "watch me try to figure this out in a couple of minutes" videos, but usually your first impression is pretty right on. I usually follow up on the products to see if you missed something, and your first impressions are pretty reliable! I'm sorry to say it, but companies like FabFilter, UAD, and iZotope have made Waves pretty obsolete. Waves basically modeled some noise profiles of old gear (not hard to do if you do it like they do) then they throw some basic compressor, EQ, or whatever on top of it. None of it is very outstanding. This one looks exceptionally gimmicky, even for Waves. Looking forward to your analog comparison. I end up wasting a lot of time watching this channel because it's just fun.
Funny that you chose 55hz as your example, that's A1, the perfect sub note and the route key of a lot of drum and bass music.
7:09 lol
"it's not what I call magic..." LOL... too funny
Sean Fullerton I was actually pleasantly surprised, I got on sale on a whim cause I wanted to buy the waves vocal rider, and I was expecting the “magic” to just muddy it up with weird reverb and air, but in reality it was just a nice way to make the drum bus a little more impactful.
you want it to work i can tell... you hope it does something!!!! but it doesnt. some of those waves plugins are bullshit. they just keep pumping them out and using indusrty types who need the cash good video...
Right? Most of them are worthless. My friend gave me his copy of the Waves Complete bundle. It's a bunch of garbage, basically. The Abbey Road plates are kind of neat, but I'd rather use FabFilter R. Way more control, and I can make a delay myself. The only ones that are pretty good are the CLA series they did with Chris Lord-Alge. Those piss me off, because they do some real "magic", but the controls are so limited, and you don't know really what they are doing. Can anyone recommend any other useful ones in that bundle? There are so many, just going through them and finding out that 99% of the are worthless is an annoyance. And the way they bundle is setup, there really isn't a way to dump the ones that are just taking up space. There also isn't a way to disable the AU and VST3 versions that I don't ever use. I've tried zipping the file they drop in the plugin folders, but somehow it still manages to load them all every time I launch REAPER. Just frustration!
you aint even touch the stereo separation lol This was a dope vid tho thank u
I get great results from this plugin actually. You're using it all wrong.
sir i want this plugin can you give me the mega link or google drive link for free download
Steven Wilson Doppelganger!
Till he doesn't open his mouth....
Love your amazing sarcasm😁
Great job telling it like it is mate!
its like the one knob plugin but all together i guess.
Goede vids maat! De haat is nergens voor nodig van mensen..
+Inova Official ahjoh, mensen mogen haten, we leven in een vrije wereld :)
True!
The pusher plugin has a sound on the lows,the moment you put it on your master the lows changes characters ,listen to it critically.
If people want to sell me magic, i.e. the workflow "ANYTHING INPUT-> MAGIC->8TH WORLDWONDER OUTPUT"... then basically I'm out. Marketing, makes me puke. I want to know what it does. In a scientific manner.
this plugin is a beast u dont know how to use it lol , u need to use the input port , then put in and out , and playo n the piano u need input port to midi out play a note and move the knobs , then ull see magic
exactly
I don't think so
Take time to learn it mate, they are a great band and I've seen them at work, please stop thinking your more intelligent then everyone, sorry but that's how it's coming across.
tape will do a heaps better job
I run away from plugins like this...After 20 plus years of experience, no one magic plugin will turn you into a grammy aware winning engineer. Its years of experience that make the greats what they are.
Lol not completely true, if something sounds good then it sounds good
I ususally like Waves plugins, the omni channel, the Scheps preamp, the bread and butter stuff, the API stuff, etc. But I honestly dislike any wonder-button like things.
hahaha
"20 years in the business and still not capable of mastering" You're a bit arrogant here.
There are people who are paid for mastering stuff...
You can be a terrible mastering engineer, but it doesn't mean you can't be good at mixing.
The two things are not correlated
he just trying to compensate his shittiness, not knowing anything apart from mastering. it is what video about, not about plugin or something else.
5:00 I am dead AHAAAHAHAHAHAA
Keep being honest, never mind the naysayers. If they don't like your style they can watch another channel. I find these types of shiny plugins that apparently polish tracks in seconds only ever push high mids, shelf the highs and boost the lows (much like a smiley curve eq setting on a 90's hi fi system with the preset set to 'Rock' or 'Pop' to seduce new customers. Always sounds like shit
I wasn't planing on being dishonest ;-) Thanks!
JumboNote TV couldn't agree more. He does a great job telling it like it is!
this plug in is so good lmao idk,,..it def wont turn a lame song or shit mix into a good one.
i think the plugin is made for psytrance-producers who are too lazy to get into mixing xD i have a friend like that, too. he'd be happy about a plugin where a 200-300hz-boost is called "body"
Lol should probably read the manual before you attempt to play with something publicly that you clearly don't understand
Call me when console costs 49$.
Subscribed. :)
it does seem like many plug-ins are doing the same thing..it dosent help that cant see them for what they are.. (rookie)..in my defense , I wait till i can get something super cheap before i just take the leap.."rick beato" is god!
snake oil
Tone2 Acustix is much better
I'll put it on my list!
Does anyone like this
Hahahah ur a real G
Shlash, pepering 😹
Mbombo
before this read the user manual to understand the plugin. or the subtle thing and cheque with an Eq and a spectrum analyzer. or at least reduce the dB in the master...
As far as I understand this plugin was designed for EDM... The music you used in the video, has absolutely different balance of instruments in comparison to psytrance..
@@vitaliistep good point.