This was heartbreaking. To know that Weirs ultimate fate was to drift endlessly in space in a galaxy millions of light years from Earth. Weir really came into her own in the third season right when the writers decided to get rid of her. Such a waste of a character. Kudos to the actor playing repliweir, she really did a great job emulating torri higginsons speech and mannerisms
Liquid nitrogen is extremely cold with a −320.44°F ↔ −346°F temperature but, space is extremely colder with a −459.67°F temperature liquid nitrogen will freeze in space because it's hotter than space.
They should have saved her right afterwards from the colds of space: Because she did iwhat she did in fact proved she is indeed the Real Dr.Weir!!! THEY BASICALLY KILLED HER!
@@archerboy58 Had to get rid of Ford as they needed a Teal'c type character in Ronon Dex and it was a good move. They should have finished his arc a bit better in later seasons though where he was a little less negative. It was a good touch that they did that with the sceptical Sgt of season 1
@@archerboy58 Maybe there was casting budgetary issues for season 2? Either way they could have tied his arc up more positively instead of leaving him with the lasting impression of having turned into a jerk
They never got around to checking out the data left by Weir in Atlantis computers about the other advanced races in Pegasus. It's too bad the series ended too soon.
So ended Weir, last and greatest of the pillarmen. Her body turned hard as rock and her body floated through space for the rest of time, never to return. She wished for death, but there was nothing left to kill her. The spark of thought within her went dim, and then silent.
The problem is leaving replicators floating around near an active space gate for anyone to pick up. Heck if the spacegate is anywhere near a planet they could end up entering the atmosphere within years. A simple line about sending a puddle jumper to clean up in a few hours would have solved that problem.
I always regret the removal of Dr. Weir's character. I liked very much the very human character and worried that Atlantis was not militarizing, she had found the right balance with Colonel Shepard. His character deserved a better end. This TV show was very good. It's a pity there were only 5 seasons, this series had enough potential to continue two or three more seasons. Finally they preferred creating Stargate Universe which was a failure.
Military Command isn't that bad in the Stargate Universe. Let's take SGC as an example and most of the time the right people where in Command. Even Carter as the commander of Atlantis wasn't bad. The problem with military is that they need to follow commands of higher ranks as shown in some episodes. Weir does still need to follow orders from the president but when not following it, the penalty is not so big. It doesn't make a difference if the commander is a civilian or part of the military. It only makes a difference who is part of the team. In SG-1 one problem was that some wanted to make money out of it and this makes kinda sense. The whole operation costs a lot of money and they didn't made money. In the real world more people probably would make money out of it. In the Series and Movies they just defended earth and helped others and explored stuff. Some technology would would make good money.
I always hated how they ended the series. It just felt like they were abandoning all the humans in Pegasus just to have a nice tidy ending to the series.
I agreed to until the end. Stargate Universe was by far the best and most developed show. It's unfortunate that SyFy was a dying channel and the show was made during the transition to streaming as being the dominate platform, but you can't blame the writers nor the show for that.
this episode was bullshit. it was kind of hypocritical for the Atlantis crew to screw over a group of replicators who were actually willing to work with humans, but they were more than willing to work with Tod and his faction of the wraith. it was a missed opportunity to gain about ancient tech, in particular how to construct zpms and stargates
Yep in the future when all this is forgotten about people will discover them, bring them aboard for studying and these replicate will be out for vengeance
My guess as to why they just left them to float free ... is that, their bodies must need energy to keep cohesion, eventually the background radiation of hard vacuum would run down the energy needed to maintain their inter-atomic nanite bonds and they would just turn into inert replicator dust incapable of being reformed in any way. At the speed they are floating around that would likely happen before they hit the atmosphere of the local planet. Or maybe if they did enter the atmosphere of the local planet their bodies would be destroyed on entry, entry forces are a wonderful thing.
True unless they find away to make the back ground radiation of the universe into energy, or they have enough energy left to make a micro black hole and use the energy coming off that as a power source and some how reform into something that could take a form strong enough to get through a planets atmosphere, possible given they can make what ever they want materialist fashion
This part of ghost in the machine when Elizabeth comes back in Fran's body this makes me feel sad for Elizabeth I loved Elizabeth Weir played by Torri Higginson but I got John and Teyla as well I like them as well
Weir communicated to the other replicators that it's safe to enter the gate, but soon as one of the other replicators enter the gate why didn't she immediately report back that it's a trap?
Sg1 had a similar situation. Michael Shanks perfectly replicated James Spader's version of Daniel Jackson. Many people didnt realize he wasnt James Spader in season 1
Yeah it's fun top watch kind of bizarre how your brain can recognize the character and the pervious actor when someone is acting like them even when they don't look alike.
More the Federation, than Voyager, as the same EMH model was installed on the Enterprise E as well (I've noticed Robert Picardo during the First Contact movie), so it's pretty much a series production line.
Certified babe the replicator. What a beauty. And this was a great episode. Atlantis was really good. Shame they killed it when it easily had another 5-6 seasons left in it
They could have easily found her again. They were drifting in space at about 3-5 kph (average walking speed as they stepped through the gate). Even after a year of drifting (about 8,800 hours), she'd only be 26,000 to 44,000 kilometers away from the gate. For reference the moon is only 385,000 kilometers from the Earth. Puddle Jumpers could cross a solar system in 15 hours. Online estimates from Stargate Atlantis math nerds put the top sublight speed of a Puddle Jumper at 7,000 kilometers per second or 25 million kph (2.5 percent of light speed). It seems they did this so they could keep the door open to bringing Repliwehr back in future episodes. Too bad they didn't.
Actually, if it were a space gate orbiting a planet, orbital mechanics would make it way tricky to find them after a while. Not only that, space gates seem to have thrusters to autocorrect their orbits with time to maintain the gate in orbit, while repliweir's body would slowly lose orbit until entering the planet's atmosphere. And, although it was not shown in this scene, it's safe to assume it was in orbit around a planet, as a space gate in the middle of a void would be completely useless.
@@gavrifalcao They placed space gates in the void between galaxies when building the gate bridge. Although it was ultimately destroyed, many of the gates were left in the void. If they gated to one of those space gates, then they would have floated virtually forever.
there humans they cant trust anyone, were basically turning into the ghoul, and other space demons, not what the asgard or ancients really ever wanted us to become like them and were we create our own folly, sg1 in the beggining had it right help all and if they give u somthing in return good, but no senseless killing, but the atlantis show went right down the dark reality of what would really happen if we ever had this sort of power.
@@soulsreaper7145 Yeah but thats humanity. We can be good and we can be very bad. You don't just destroy tech that can help you win this war and even help humanity A lot of things in SG1 and Atlantis made absolutely no sense. They send them to Atlantis with only Earth gear and weapons. Not a single Zat, Staff Weapon or Kull Armor went with them. They had a lot of stuff that would have been usefull and they took nothing with them. Think about SG1 and the Quantum Mirror. This piece of tech could have helped a lot and prevented a lot of deaths. Imagine SG Teams that travel to other realitys and exchange infos and tech with the other SGC out there.
@@blackhawk1500 I agree about the Zats, but that would mean the Wraith would not have been as much of a threat. They're almost immune against Bullets, but I really doubt they could take 3 Shots of a Zat. Same with Staff Weapons. But I can understand why they destroyed the Quantum Mirror. They had no Idea how to turn that thing off, and who knows what could walk through it.
@@NordRheinWestfale Yeah they would have been less or a threat. But why send a Expedition out in the unknown with less advanced tech? That makes no sense to me. They should have send them with some Kull Armors, Zats, Staff Weapons. And think about the Asgard. They could have asked them to make a joint Expedition. The Quantum Mirror was awesome. It saved them once and even saved another SGC from the Goa'uld. Imagine what they could have done with it. It was dangerous but so is the Stargate
@@blackhawk1500 My guess is that having iconic alien tech and weapons from SG-1 would have hurt Atlantis' efforts to differentiate itself from its older sibling. They didn't want it to be a mere SG-1 spinoff.
I've always been against the show's move to turn Elizabeth into a Replicator. That took her away from the show and I liked her being in charge of Atlantis. Carter and Woolsey pale in comparison. In some ways, Elizabeth reminded of Laura Roslin from Battlestar Galactica. Smart, compassionate, and a badass.
Me too!!!! I could swear I saw every episode. I'm blown away by this. What a shit ending for Elizabeth. She'll drift in space for ever. How did I miss this? I loved all the SG series.
Never understood the hard line approach to distrusting replicators that are willing to help and be reasoned with. If reese and even 5 were made allies the replicator threat could've been solved earlier. Heck, even Fran and the earth replicator from that other episode were helpful
Reese was flawed, and I very much doubt she could have been fixed at all, never mind without going mental on whoever was trying to 'Help' her. She was neurotic and wouldn't have trusted anyone. To her 'being fixed' would be like dying and getting replaced by a new version. Fifth was even more dangerous than normal replicators and Reese put together. Look what he did, he tortured the one person he loved because he couldn't forgive her. Imagine if the worst human being who ever existed had a replicator body ... bad bad bad. Fran wasn't a fully real human form replicator, she was one step up from the cube they were trying to make. Rodney said she was as basic as he could make her, she was single minded in achieving her programmed destiny, that doesn't mean she was good, it means she was given a reason to exist and an imperative to see that reason fulfilled. Saying she was good is like saying your toaster is good because it doesn't want to kill you instead of making toast.
Reese's major problem was that she had the mind of a child - She may not have helped directly with the replicator threat, but keeping her alive may have been useful for the Asgard research. Fifth was bad, but he was the most human like of the replicators. Emotions seem to be new for replicators so they lack maturity. He may have not have behaved the way he did (vengeful) if stargate did not betray him. Calling Fran a toaster is a bit too much, I think. She clearly wanted to have a name, has a bit of a personality, she even tells mckay "good luck" in her final moments. Toasters don't wish to fulfil their purpose they just do it.
Replicators are a bit tougher than humans, so they should have been flash frozen so they should still be basically in orbit around the gate and a puddlejumper could retrieve them.
I thought space gates were usually orbiting planets somewhere, why would there be a gate in the middle of nowhere? Unless it was one of the gates in the galaxy bridge, that might be the one they went to.
I just scanned through the series again. Skipped some of my less favorite episodes and very much enjoyed my favorites. But I still don't like what they did to Ford, Weir, or Becket. It's been well over ten years and it still bugs me. A couple more episodes with Kate Hewlett would have been welcome. She's great.
She genuinely wanted to help them at first, but realised after that one went rogue, they were still too great a threat to risk it as she doubted she could control the rest of them. She probably didn't know of the plan directly, but assumed. When she exited into space her suspicions were confirmed and told the others it was safe as she agreed it was the only safe solution.
The end? the show yes, but lets not forget that another replicator met the same fate, and all that happened to it was it remained in a dormant state, this kind of trope began to get on my nerves in many series, leaving things open ended, it really got bad in this series when they kept bringing back Elizabeth, don't get me wrong, I wanted her back in the series, but in the end I got tired of this bullshit trope, either kill them off or bring them back!
it wasnt a end for Weir. she was ascended in the books that take place after season 5 and she ascended with the help of Ran a ascended Asgard. she was then forcibly descended after saving mcckay's life after he sent the hyperion's weapon into the sun and nearly dsacrificed himself to see it destroyed but weir saved him last minute and transported him to the General Hammond 304's med bay. she was eventually recovered on sateda by atlantis personnel. she went there when she started remembering cities and other stuff that people only saw on sateda before it fell so people suggested she go there to remember more . luckily with the wraith and Lanteans at peace due to the defeat of Queen Death and the new retrovirus that only leaves a human tired and no longer like a rapidly decayed corpse. she has come back to a completely different and better version of Atlantis then when she left it.
The books are not considered cannon, as they were not created by the writers of the show. The comic series, however, are cannon for both SG:A and SG:U with both taking place directly after the shows ended. I would definitely recommend reading the SG:U comics, because Eli has just made a very interesting discovery.
My wife was not a sci-fi fan until she met me. After years of marriage and slowly working into the genre, she and I watched Stargate, Stargate Atlantis, and Stargate Universe. She cried her eyes out when Wrir died and then when this happened, I was pretty sure she she was going to be done, completely, with watching sci-fi stuff with me. She was very upset about this.
@@Ryvaken That's a way to cold way of seeing it. We seen on this show multiple times the problem 'Is someone cloned or copied real?' and the answer was always yes. It was pretty much made a point, i remind you.
@@slevinchannel7589 Clones are flesh and blood. Machines are not. By definition, the replicators are not alive, are not worthy of the respect or consideration due a mouse or a cockroach. Further, they are dangerous machines, prone to malfunction and destruction, that lack a viable off-switch. For a collective of these machines to claim the identity of a respected woman is an insult to her memory, nothing more.
I was thinking there would be a religitimized Stargate. Where Carter becomes the New Base Commander, but is more Stoic, like Don Davis was..New crew,new adventures.and new stories.The musical score. of Mr.G for SGA was awesome,and even better than SG1 to me. It will require another brilliant score to grab people from the start. I wrote a story, and send it to Mr. Wright. Titled "Stargate, The Architects of Dawn."I read a lot of Fredrik Pohl novels.
Almost fitting in a way to do a recast, Elizabeth was recast after her two-part debut at Season 7's end and one last time recast for her final episode.
and beside that... she should have all the knowledge the replicators had, so... why not at least learn how to make more ZPM before she is gone... I know I know, never could have the ZPM secret because deux ex machina and all that but still, over and over again no one even tries and fails they're just happy salvaging them.
Asurans did create ZPMs, but no one ever asked how exactly do they that? I pretty much doubt their creators politely told them. They are goddamn REPLICATORS! They replicate (= imitate) everything, they see (including, but not limiting to themselves), take for instance the "ancient city" on Asuras. How incredibly accurate to Atlantis, right? Not because they had plans and built it the old fashioned way like the Lanteans did before them, but because they saw it and replicate it. Same goes for ZPM. RepliWeir could possibly "create" a ZPM herself by replicating it obviously, if she found out how, while on Asuras, but that's that, only she (and her replicator fellas) could do that, nobody from the Atlantis expedition under Richard Woolsey could "replicate" them. So as a parting gift, if she ever knew how, she could perhaps create one or two for them, but I guess there wasn't time and she also realized, what she's gonna do to the others (her replifriends) at that time.
Man these Pegasus replicators were weak. Milky way replicators pulled themselves together inside a black hole and subsequently built a ship there that counters gravity, to escape it.
The Milky Way replicators had a massive advantage. They had the time dilation device and the largest collection of pieces (a planet) ever seen by that point. As well as the Milky Way replicators have the exact same weakness as shown when Thor beamed a human replicator on to his ship for experimentation that had shut down from the cold of space.
The thing is that they had a better idea of what they were in SGA considering the ancients made them. Another thing is that the other replicators adapted far better and they were more focused on the threat of numbers and that other races used energy versus projectiles for weaponry thus making them dangerous.
I HATE this episode. They did not called back Tori Higginson (or she refused, which is understandable), and they just throw away her character like that ? Weir was my favorite SG leader, she was so unique and interesting. Also, I never liked Wolsey.
Vaniellis They asked Torri to come back but she refused to end the character like this so they got a different actor to do it (FRAN). Torri wanted better for the character and an actual ending that was deserved to such a great character. I completely agree with her
She did, and she lied, meaning it was the real Elizabeth who recognised the replicators were still a threat. The other ones were already in transit by time the 2nd one exited the gate.
@@LimboGene the time from when the first replicator exits the gate (not Elizabeth) to the time the last one exits is less than 5 seconds. There was hardly any time to react let alone send a message, which would've been too late anyway as the last replicator was already in transit.
I disagree. This was an heroic sacrifice, and the end of a good character arc. What ended the franchise was (a) the fact that the Tau'ri became ridiculously too powerful at the end, and (b) Stargate Universe. Stargate Universe was a bad idea badly executed; there was really nothing good about it at all.
You mean you didn't like the jump from F15's to interstellar battle cruisers that could out gun ancient warships? Joking, it was pretty ridiculous although not completely annoying..
Universe was a great concept "lost in space", but for some reason they decided to destroy the concept really early on. They should have actually stayed isolated and not have had random back and forth with earth. The communication was bad to start with, but then they just start having people gate to the ship and story-lines rooted in earth and it just entirely ruined the entire basis of the show. Even for Atlantis I found they reconnected to earth to early on, though it got away with it because at least it didn't rely on earth as a core for it's storylines.
I think the single largest plot failure of any show in the series was in Atlantis... I mean the database in Atlantis would certainly have held the knowledge and location information of where and how to make ZPM's and that would logically have been the primary goal of anyone who arrived on board yet this was never addressed.
I find it super hypocritical for the whole stargate command to go on astronomical risks in order to find op technology, but here they are "too afraid". I mean they used stargate for decades poking into hostile empires with advanced technology for no good reason other than to "explore". On the other note, they are definitely not dead. We know that they can survive space. And we know stargate stayed in orbit for tens of thousands of years. If the orbit is so stabe, a few m/s "step" won't be in any way enough for them to deorbit, they'll float there forever. They will float all over the orbit though, it'll be a pain in the ass to find them.
skyserf That doesn't change my argument. If a stargate has engines, it will use them to stay in stable orbit. So replicators are on a stable orbit too.
AlHoresmi If the orbits are always stable Stargates wouldn't need a mechanism to correct. If that gate needed to readjust in the future it would be ok, the replicators wouldn't.
I hate how stargate always distrust machine intelligence even when there were best friends they still paint AI as bad they never tackle the idea of good ai just bad ones replicators are bad not good
As a replicant, her 'body' could eventually be recovered and revived, as was done to another replicant in a previous episode; should a restart of Atlantis every happen.
their power sources will drain eventually, and some materials will start falling apart, theres a time stamp even on a universe itself, when that happens mankind can go and study them, or take them to a black hole and be done
It's explained in the episode that Weir needed a physical form but she didn't have enough time to program the computer to replicate her original form. Instead she simply chose Fran's 'pattern' out of the computer buffer since it was readily available. I'm sure the real reason was they couldn't get the original actress to return for the part.
You'd get back a replicator that thinks it's Weir. For the moment. When that changes she becomes no better than all the other replicators we've met. Evil and destructive in the extreme.
Even if they just floated in space forever, you have to imagine that eventually the background radiation of hard vacuum would eventually defeat their internal power supply and cause their nanite bonds to fall apart. Dust = dead.
Well technically they are not dead. They are shut down / terminated. So about this being a poor human thing to do? Nah, after so much betrayal of their kind, you won't risk these situations when your mission is to exterminate them. No more, means no more.
Isn’t it crazy. The wraith and Replicators are seen as the evil ones but yet the people of Atlantis’ first reaction to anyone is to shoot and kill, and all the military that was killed under their command does not bother them. They think they are all good, but really, they became just as evil.
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This was heartbreaking. To know that Weirs ultimate fate was to drift endlessly in space in a galaxy millions of light years from Earth. Weir really came into her own in the third season right when the writers decided to get rid of her. Such a waste of a character. Kudos to the actor playing repliweir, she really did a great job emulating torri higginsons speech and mannerisms
Could they survive the vacuum of space given there human based replicators
It's shown often that replicators survive just fine, they're just inactive/low power mode.
!Spoiler for Legacy!
Read Stargate Legacy books, apart from other things, Weir ascends and comes back :)
Liquid nitrogen is extremely cold with a −320.44°F ↔ −346°F temperature but, space is extremely colder with a −459.67°F temperature liquid nitrogen will freeze in space because it's hotter than space.
They should have saved her right afterwards from the colds of space: Because she did iwhat she did in fact proved she is indeed the Real Dr.Weir!!! THEY BASICALLY KILLED HER!
They made two important mistakes in Atlantis. They killed off Weir and Beckett.
Three. Getting rid of Ford and in such a terrible way.
@@archerboy58 Agreed.
@@archerboy58 Had to get rid of Ford as they needed a Teal'c type character in Ronon Dex and it was a good move. They should have finished his arc a bit better in later seasons though where he was a little less negative. It was a good touch that they did that with the sceptical Sgt of season 1
@@NUFCMVFC could have had botu wouldn't have hurt
@@archerboy58 Maybe there was casting budgetary issues for season 2? Either way they could have tied his arc up more positively instead of leaving him with the lasting impression of having turned into a jerk
They never got around to checking out the data left by Weir in Atlantis computers about the other advanced races in Pegasus. It's too bad the series ended too soon.
So ended Weir, last and greatest of the pillarmen. Her body turned hard as rock and her body floated through space for the rest of time, never to return. She wished for death, but there was nothing left to kill her. The spark of thought within her went dim, and then silent.
Never expected to see a JoJo and Stargate crossover
I prefer that passive aggressive "eventually he stopped thinking".
"Please state the nature of your medical emergency"
Replicators in my back.
I've already checked you out, Commander.
-270.45 Celsius
I'm being chased by millions of sentient metal lego blocks that want to kill me.
Borg, michael, wraith, whichever works.
The problem is leaving replicators floating around near an active space gate for anyone to pick up. Heck if the spacegate is anywhere near a planet they could end up entering the atmosphere within years.
A simple line about sending a puddle jumper to clean up in a few hours would have solved that problem.
If the space gate hasn't entered the planet's atmosphere, then they won't. They're in an almost identical orbit.
puddle jumper + replicator dissembling gun = perfect in space. Deed is done and replicators are gone and case closed.
I always regret the removal of Dr. Weir's character. I liked very much the very human character and worried that Atlantis was not militarizing, she had found the right balance with Colonel Shepard. His character deserved a better end. This TV show was very good. It's a pity there were only 5 seasons, this series had enough potential to continue two or three more seasons. Finally they preferred creating Stargate Universe which was a failure.
Couldn't have said it any better m8
Military Command isn't that bad in the Stargate Universe. Let's take SGC as an example and most of the time the right people where in Command. Even Carter as the commander of Atlantis wasn't bad. The problem with military is that they need to follow commands of higher ranks as shown in some episodes. Weir does still need to follow orders from the president but when not following it, the penalty is not so big.
It doesn't make a difference if the commander is a civilian or part of the military. It only makes a difference who is part of the team. In SG-1 one problem was that some wanted to make money out of it and this makes kinda sense. The whole operation costs a lot of money and they didn't made money. In the real world more people probably would make money out of it.
In the Series and Movies they just defended earth and helped others and explored stuff. Some technology would would make good money.
I always hated how they ended the series. It just felt like they were abandoning all the humans in Pegasus just to have a nice tidy ending to the series.
The same could be said of the late agent's of sheild, and the star wars rebeles charter of ezzer briger.
I agreed to until the end. Stargate Universe was by far the best and most developed show. It's unfortunate that SyFy was a dying channel and the show was made during the transition to streaming as being the dominate platform, but you can't blame the writers nor the show for that.
such a sad ending for a great character, Fitting the pathos
This has such a Stanley Kubrick vibe. Incidentally one of the most powerful scenes in the entire show.
this episode was bullshit. it was kind of hypocritical for the Atlantis crew to screw over a group of replicators who were actually willing to work with humans, but they were more than willing to work with Tod and his faction of the wraith. it was a missed opportunity to gain about ancient tech, in particular how to construct zpms and stargates
Maybye the ancients did not call them ZPM who knows what the ancients called them!
I'm pretty sure the term potentia came up somewhere
The way I understood it working ZPMs were hard to find. There was no one around that knew how to make new ones. All they had was left overs.
The Asurans actually knew how to make them since they mass-produced them. And they had Asurans with them right there.
year I know it sucks being replicator on stargate
So, basically there's now a doomsday mine floating around in space forever.
Yep in the future when all this is forgotten about people will discover them, bring them aboard for studying and these replicate will be out for vengeance
My two cents, they went back there later with a ship and completely destroyed the frozen remains.....I hope.
@@coloradobrad6779 a ship cant kill them thats the point of the replicatiors
How about to send them in colision course with a star? That should do the trick. Even replicators can't survive being vaporized. (I hope)
It can’t be the only one... 😈😈😈
My guess as to why they just left them to float free ... is that, their bodies must need energy to keep cohesion, eventually the background radiation of hard vacuum would run down the energy needed to maintain their inter-atomic nanite bonds and they would just turn into inert replicator dust incapable of being reformed in any way. At the speed they are floating around that would likely happen before they hit the atmosphere of the local planet. Or maybe if they did enter the atmosphere of the local planet their bodies would be destroyed on entry, entry forces are a wonderful thing.
True unless they find away to make the back ground radiation of the universe into energy, or they have enough energy left to make a micro black hole and use the energy coming off that as a power source and some how reform into something that could take a form strong enough to get through a planets atmosphere, possible given they can make what ever they want materialist fashion
@@jamesfry8983 theyd turn into solar panels
2:39..i love the song from there...i can feel all the sadness of the situation..the Weir's sacrifice spirit
This part of ghost in the machine when Elizabeth comes back in Fran's body this makes me feel sad for Elizabeth I loved Elizabeth Weir played by Torri Higginson but I got John and Teyla as well I like them as well
Weir communicated to the other replicators that it's safe to enter the gate, but soon as one of the other replicators enter the gate why didn't she immediately report back that it's a trap?
There's a delay between entering the gate on one end, and exiting on the other. It's not often this comes up, as it's usually not relevant
John looked so bad ass with weapons in each hand like that
You kind of get why the replicators hate humans with such consistent betrayals.
Only if you completely ignore their history.
Its always interesting seeing an actor imitate another actors character.
Sg1 had a similar situation. Michael Shanks perfectly replicated James Spader's version of Daniel Jackson. Many people didnt realize he wasnt James Spader in season 1
Yeah it's fun top watch kind of bizarre how your brain can recognize the character and the pervious actor when someone is acting like them even when they don't look alike.
Voyager sent their holographic doctor to help.
They was also in the neighborhood. Lol
Classic..
More the Federation, than Voyager, as the same EMH model was installed on the Enterprise E as well (I've noticed Robert Picardo during the First Contact movie), so it's pretty much a series production line.
Certified babe the replicator. What a beauty. And this was a great episode. Atlantis was really good. Shame they killed it when it easily had another 5-6 seasons left in it
They could have easily found her again. They were drifting in space at about 3-5 kph (average walking speed as they stepped through the gate). Even after a year of drifting (about 8,800 hours), she'd only be 26,000 to 44,000 kilometers away from the gate. For reference the moon is only 385,000 kilometers from the Earth. Puddle Jumpers could cross a solar system in 15 hours. Online estimates from Stargate Atlantis math nerds put the top sublight speed of a Puddle Jumper at 7,000 kilometers per second or 25 million kph (2.5 percent of light speed). It seems they did this so they could keep the door open to bringing Repliwehr back in future episodes. Too bad they didn't.
traveling wod be a way smaller problem than finding them.
Actually, if it were a space gate orbiting a planet, orbital mechanics would make it way tricky to find them after a while. Not only that, space gates seem to have thrusters to autocorrect their orbits with time to maintain the gate in orbit, while repliweir's body would slowly lose orbit until entering the planet's atmosphere.
And, although it was not shown in this scene, it's safe to assume it was in orbit around a planet, as a space gate in the middle of a void would be completely useless.
@@gavrifalcao They placed space gates in the void between galaxies when building the gate bridge. Although it was ultimately destroyed, many of the gates were left in the void. If they gated to one of those space gates, then they would have floated virtually forever.
At least Weir was finally brought back canonically in the comics
It's such bullshit how they killed her off
Well they didn't really kill her, they left the door open to bring her back
This stargate universe probably isn't coming back.
only in the movie reboots, whitch will be wierd
What reboots
They've been shitcanned, ever since Independence Day 2 tanked
Always wondered why they never went there to get Weir back. Go there with a Jumper and shoot the other replicators and bring back Weir.
there humans they cant trust anyone, were basically turning into the ghoul, and other space demons, not what the asgard or ancients really ever wanted us to become like them and were we create our own folly, sg1 in the beggining had it right help all and if they give u somthing in return good, but no senseless killing, but the atlantis show went right down the dark reality of what would really happen if we ever had this sort of power.
@@soulsreaper7145 Yeah but thats humanity.
We can be good and we can be very bad.
You don't just destroy tech that can help you win this war and even help humanity
A lot of things in SG1 and Atlantis made absolutely no sense.
They send them to Atlantis with only Earth gear and weapons.
Not a single Zat, Staff Weapon or Kull Armor went with them. They had a lot of stuff that would have been usefull and they took nothing with them.
Think about SG1 and the Quantum Mirror. This piece of tech could have helped a lot and prevented a lot of deaths.
Imagine SG Teams that travel to other realitys and exchange infos and tech with the other SGC out there.
@@blackhawk1500 I agree about the Zats, but that would mean the Wraith would not have been as much of a threat. They're almost immune against Bullets, but I really doubt they could take 3 Shots of a Zat. Same with Staff Weapons.
But I can understand why they destroyed the Quantum Mirror. They had no Idea how to turn that thing off, and who knows what could walk through it.
@@NordRheinWestfale Yeah they would have been less or a threat. But why send a Expedition out in the unknown with less advanced tech? That makes no sense to me.
They should have send them with some Kull Armors, Zats, Staff Weapons.
And think about the Asgard. They could have asked them to make a joint Expedition.
The Quantum Mirror was awesome.
It saved them once and even saved another SGC from the Goa'uld. Imagine what they could have done with it.
It was dangerous but so is the Stargate
@@blackhawk1500 My guess is that having iconic alien tech and weapons from SG-1 would have hurt Atlantis' efforts to differentiate itself from its older sibling. They didn't want it to be a mere SG-1 spinoff.
I've always been against the show's move to turn Elizabeth into a Replicator. That took her away from the show and I liked her being in charge of Atlantis. Carter and Woolsey pale in comparison. In some ways, Elizabeth reminded of Laura Roslin from Battlestar Galactica. Smart, compassionate, and a badass.
Compassionate? Laura was not compassionate, was cutthroat and ruthless.
She was that but she also gave a damn about others which made her go to extreme lengths to protect them.
It was all about money. Sci-Fi had a contract with Carter. Ended up ruining both the character and series.
smurfyday I agree. I liked Carter on SG1 but it didn't work well on Atlantis. I thought Woolsey was a better fit in the end.
As I understood, it was Tori Higgenson's decision to leave the show, was it not?
Wow, I have no memory about this kind of situation... I guess I have to rewatch this show :) I have rewatched it already once, but still.
yeah, i also watched every episode and many more than once but i dont remember this ending, i might be getting old
I wish I could forget this show and relive these moments.
Me too!!!! I could swear I saw every episode. I'm blown away by this. What a shit ending for Elizabeth. She'll drift in space for ever. How did I miss this? I loved all the SG series.
3:10 She's the corporal in SGU that handles the communication stones.
I guess they found their way back and infiltrated sgu😁, the story continues
Hopefully she can be still saved. Anything can happen in a scifi.
As seen in the Stargate Atlantis: Legacy book series, this is far from the end of Elizabeth Weir.
This has happened to other replicators. They don't die, just become dormant. Perhaps they are found and become reactivated...
0:10 Isn't that guy one of the Aschen in SG1?
So, in the entire stargate show three different women actresses played Weir
Don't forget the stunt doubles, several of them...
I remember the original one and this one, but I forget the third one.
So the third one would be Torri Higginson? :p
She's a fantasy ❤️😭
And there he kept her very well. Because they might need to write he back into the show one day.
Never understood the hard line approach to distrusting replicators that are willing to help and be reasoned with. If reese and even 5 were made allies the replicator threat could've been solved earlier.
Heck, even Fran and the earth replicator from that other episode were helpful
Reese was flawed, and I very much doubt she could have been fixed at all, never mind without going mental on whoever was trying to 'Help' her. She was neurotic and wouldn't have trusted anyone. To her 'being fixed' would be like dying and getting replaced by a new version.
Fifth was even more dangerous than normal replicators and Reese put together. Look what he did, he tortured the one person he loved because he couldn't forgive her. Imagine if the worst human being who ever existed had a replicator body ... bad bad bad.
Fran wasn't a fully real human form replicator, she was one step up from the cube they were trying to make. Rodney said she was as basic as he could make her, she was single minded in achieving her programmed destiny, that doesn't mean she was good, it means she was given a reason to exist and an imperative to see that reason fulfilled. Saying she was good is like saying your toaster is good because it doesn't want to kill you instead of making toast.
Reese's major problem was that she had the mind of a child - She may not have helped directly with the replicator threat, but keeping her alive may have been useful for the Asgard research. Fifth was bad, but he was the most human like of the replicators. Emotions seem to be new for replicators so they lack maturity. He may have not have behaved the way he did (vengeful) if stargate did not betray him.
Calling Fran a toaster is a bit too much, I think. She clearly wanted to have a name, has a bit of a personality, she even tells mckay "good luck" in her final moments. Toasters don't wish to fulfil their purpose they just do it.
Watch Red Dwarf, and then tell me there are no semi-sentient toasters.
This isn't Star Trek, Stargate usually teaches to kill potential threats rather than taking a risk for peace.
Azraiel213 - Daniel Jackson, is that you? ... HAHA (JK)
thats fran! also this was a betrayal most foul.
In the end, RepliWeir drifted all the way to Earth and landed on a cattle ranch in a small town in Alberta
Where she meets the version 1.0 Weir.
This one was a real downer.
Maybe down the road, after the series, they went back in a jumper and retrieved just Repliweir. They owe her that.
Those replicators could have unlocked Atlantis and helped create zpms
one of most heartbreaking moments in SGA
Woolsey choosed the right side, by taking command of Atlantis. At the end, he was a good man and leader.
Replicators are a bit tougher than humans, so they should have been flash frozen so they should still be basically in orbit around the gate and a puddlejumper could retrieve them.
I thought space gates were usually orbiting planets somewhere, why would there be a gate in the middle of nowhere? Unless it was one of the gates in the galaxy bridge, that might be the one they went to.
This was probably in orbit around a planet. The planet was just not in view (to save fx money).
I just scanned through the series again. Skipped some of my less favorite episodes and very much enjoyed my favorites. But I still don't like what they did to Ford, Weir, or Becket. It's been well over ten years and it still bugs me. A couple more episodes with Kate Hewlett would have been welcome. She's great.
The saddest scene 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
was it elizabeths idea to let them de in spce?
Yeah. To make them trust her.
Yes, she radioed back that it was safe. It was her plain.
how come they idnt bring back the original weir actor?
She genuinely wanted to help them at first, but realised after that one went rogue, they were still too great a threat to risk it as she doubted she could control the rest of them. She probably didn't know of the plan directly, but assumed. When she exited into space her suspicions were confirmed and told the others it was safe as she agreed it was the only safe solution.
i assume the original elizabeth actor didnt wanna come back for dis episode
Anyone know the music as she steps threw the gate thanks
Isn't that SGU Corporal Barnes @ 3:14?
Yes it's Corporal Barnes.
The end? the show yes, but lets not forget that another replicator met the same fate, and all that happened to it was it remained in a dormant state, this kind of trope began to get on my nerves in many series, leaving things open ended, it really got bad in this series when they kept bringing back Elizabeth, don't get me wrong, I wanted her back in the series, but in the end I got tired of this bullshit trope, either kill them off or bring them back!
it wasnt a end for Weir. she was ascended in the books that take place after season 5 and she ascended with the help of Ran a ascended Asgard. she was then forcibly descended after saving mcckay's life after he sent the hyperion's weapon into the sun and nearly dsacrificed himself to see it destroyed but weir saved him last minute and transported him to the General Hammond 304's med bay. she was eventually recovered on sateda by atlantis personnel. she went there when she started remembering cities and other stuff that people only saw on sateda before it fell so people suggested she go there to remember more . luckily with the wraith and Lanteans at peace due to the defeat of Queen Death and the new retrovirus that only leaves a human tired and no longer like a rapidly decayed corpse. she has come back to a completely different and better version of Atlantis then when she left it.
dragonhatcher12 Those books were horrible. It was as if the writers never watched the show. They were also very misandric.
At least she's alive and not a nanotechnological organism in floating in space for eternity
skyserf Explain what you mean by this?
The books are not considered cannon, as they were not created by the writers of the show. The comic series, however, are cannon for both SG:A and SG:U with both taking place directly after the shows ended. I would definitely recommend reading the SG:U comics, because Eli has just made a very interesting discovery.
That was cold, really cold
My wife was not a sci-fi fan until she met me. After years of marriage and slowly working into the genre, she and I watched Stargate, Stargate Atlantis, and Stargate Universe. She cried her eyes out when Wrir died and then when this happened, I was pretty sure she she was going to be done, completely, with watching sci-fi stuff with me. She was very upset about this.
Should've reactivated the gate right after to vaporize them.
No, they should recollected her, because that she did iwhat she did in fact proved she is indeed the Real Dr.Weir!!! THEY BASICALLY KILLED HER!
@@slevinchannel7589 She said it herself, she didn't trust any of her replicator followers, not even herself
@@slevinchannel7589 Elizabeth Weir was long dead. That a machine with her memories emulated her decision making process does not change that.
@@Ryvaken That's a way to cold way of seeing it. We seen on this show multiple times the problem 'Is someone cloned or copied real?' and the answer was always yes. It was pretty much made a point, i remind you.
@@slevinchannel7589 Clones are flesh and blood. Machines are not. By definition, the replicators are not alive, are not worthy of the respect or consideration due a mouse or a cockroach. Further, they are dangerous machines, prone to malfunction and destruction, that lack a viable off-switch. For a collective of these machines to claim the identity of a respected woman is an insult to her memory, nothing more.
I can't believe this is the end of weir and stargate . . .
Well, there's still Stargate Universe, even though I don't think it's as good as SG-1 or Atlantis.
Read the Stargate Atlantis Legacy books.
I was thinking there would be a religitimized Stargate. Where Carter becomes the New Base Commander, but is more Stoic, like Don Davis was..New crew,new adventures.and new stories.The musical score. of Mr.G for SGA was awesome,and even better than SG1 to me. It will require another brilliant score to grab people from the start. I wrote a story, and send it to Mr. Wright. Titled "Stargate, The Architects of Dawn."I read a lot of Fredrik Pohl novels.
Almost fitting in a way to do a recast, Elizabeth was recast after her two-part debut at Season 7's end and one last time recast for her final episode.
In one of the SGA books, Weir survives.
Before the Train Station on Yellowstone, there was the Space Gate.
and beside that... she should have all the knowledge the replicators had, so... why not at least learn how to make more ZPM before she is gone... I know I know, never could have the ZPM secret because deux ex machina and all that but still, over and over again no one even tries and fails they're just happy salvaging them.
and also the location of the ancient warship she had when they tried to ascend i was mad about that one
Asurans did create ZPMs, but no one ever asked how exactly do they that? I pretty much doubt their creators politely told them. They are goddamn REPLICATORS! They replicate (= imitate) everything, they see (including, but not limiting to themselves), take for instance the "ancient city" on Asuras. How incredibly accurate to Atlantis, right? Not because they had plans and built it the old fashioned way like the Lanteans did before them, but because they saw it and replicate it. Same goes for ZPM. RepliWeir could possibly "create" a ZPM herself by replicating it obviously, if she found out how, while on Asuras, but that's that, only she (and her replicator fellas) could do that, nobody from the Atlantis expedition under Richard Woolsey could "replicate" them. So as a parting gift, if she ever knew how, she could perhaps create one or two for them, but I guess there wasn't time and she also realized, what she's gonna do to the others (her replifriends) at that time.
Fran actress is so freakin hot.
Let Fran commit suicide & take the nanites with her, enjoy the EXTREME COLDNESS
Is one of those replicators corporal Barnes?
Guyh65US yep, SGU
Man these Pegasus replicators were weak. Milky way replicators pulled themselves together inside a black hole and subsequently built a ship there that counters gravity, to escape it.
The Milky Way replicators had a massive advantage. They had the time dilation device and the largest collection of pieces (a planet) ever seen by that point. As well as the Milky Way replicators have the exact same weakness as shown when Thor beamed a human replicator on to his ship for experimentation that had shut down from the cold of space.
The thing is that they had a better idea of what they were in SGA considering the ancients made them. Another thing is that the other replicators adapted far better and they were more focused on the threat of numbers and that other races used energy versus projectiles for weaponry thus making them dangerous.
They activated the emergency command holograph?
I never got to watch the rest of this series.
Was this 'hotliweir' or 'youngliweir' ???
Space gates are useful
What episode and what season was this i have all on dvd and never saw this!
This is basically suspended animation for Replicators...
I HATE this episode. They did not called back Tori Higginson (or she refused, which is understandable), and they just throw away her character like that ? Weir was my favorite SG leader, she was so unique and interesting. Also, I never liked Wolsey.
Vaniellis They asked Torri to come back but she refused to end the character like this so they got a different actor to do it (FRAN). Torri wanted better for the character and an actual ending that was deserved to such a great character. I completely agree with her
The minute the replicator after Elizabeth stepped in, wouldn't have that one broadcasted that it isn't safe? Or the ones that came after??
She did, and she lied, meaning it was the real Elizabeth who recognised the replicators were still a threat. The other ones were already in transit by time the 2nd one exited the gate.
@@explorer47422 Travel times is less than 30 Seconds. The message would have still been sent to remaining ones on Atlantis.
@@LimboGene the time from when the first replicator exits the gate (not Elizabeth) to the time the last one exits is less than 5 seconds. There was hardly any time to react let alone send a message, which would've been too late anyway as the last replicator was already in transit.
Music?
It's choices like this that ended the Franchise
I disagree. This was an heroic sacrifice, and the end of a good character arc. What ended the franchise was (a) the fact that the Tau'ri became ridiculously too powerful at the end, and (b) Stargate Universe. Stargate Universe was a bad idea badly executed; there was really nothing good about it at all.
You mean you didn't like the jump from F15's to interstellar battle cruisers that could out gun ancient warships? Joking, it was pretty ridiculous although not completely annoying..
Universe was a good show that ended way too soon.
Universe was a great concept "lost in space", but for some reason they decided to destroy the concept really early on. They should have actually stayed isolated and not have had random back and forth with earth. The communication was bad to start with, but then they just start having people gate to the ship and story-lines rooted in earth and it just entirely ruined the entire basis of the show.
Even for Atlantis I found they reconnected to earth to early on, though it got away with it because at least it didn't rely on earth as a core for it's storylines.
I think the single largest plot failure of any show in the series was in Atlantis... I mean the database in Atlantis would certainly have held the knowledge and location information of where and how to make ZPM's and that would logically have been the primary goal of anyone who arrived on board yet this was never addressed.
I find it super hypocritical for the whole stargate command to go on astronomical risks in order to find op technology, but here they are "too afraid". I mean they used stargate for decades poking into hostile empires with advanced technology for no good reason other than to "explore".
On the other note, they are definitely not dead. We know that they can survive space. And we know stargate stayed in orbit for tens of thousands of years. If the orbit is so stabe, a few m/s "step" won't be in any way enough for them to deorbit, they'll float there forever. They will float all over the orbit though, it'll be a pain in the ass to find them.
AlHoresmi I thought the Stargates had the ability to adjust their orientation and orbit if needed.
skyserf That doesn't change my argument. If a stargate has engines, it will use them to stay in stable orbit. So replicators are on a stable orbit too.
AlHoresmi If the orbits are always stable Stargates wouldn't need a mechanism to correct. If that gate needed to readjust in the future it would be ok, the replicators wouldn't.
Actress Michelle Morgan played 2 different Replicator characters in the series.
One of the Ancients greatest crimes among many.
You must wonder how the Nox put up with their immorality?
Atleast have a way of destroying her once she got out of the gate....no wonder they hate humans.
That was cold af.
Replicarter had a better ring to it
How about Replizabeth?
As seen in the Legacy series, this was far from the end of Weir.
Please elaborate what is legacy series and where can I find it. If you mean Stargate Universe I don't think Weir ever appeared.
A series of books set after Stargate Atlantis to explain what happened next.
I hate how stargate always distrust machine intelligence even when there were best friends they still paint AI as bad they never tackle the idea of good ai just bad ones replicators are bad not good
As a replicant, her 'body' could eventually be recovered and revived, as was done to another replicant in a previous episode; should a restart of Atlantis every happen.
I always hated that episode, john should have saved her.
So freaking sad...
their power sources will drain eventually, and some materials will start falling apart, theres a time stamp even on a universe itself, when that happens mankind can go and study them, or take them to a black hole and be done
Did this same actress play Fran the Replicator magnet?
It's explained in the episode that Weir needed a physical form but she didn't have enough time to program the computer to replicate her original form. Instead she simply chose Fran's 'pattern' out of the computer buffer since it was readily available.
I'm sure the real reason was they couldn't get the original actress to return for the part.
It's insane to me how RUclips somehow figures out what episode of SGA I'm on in order to suggest clips
The writers did not like her character
I read somewhere that TH was "difficult". Maybe the showrunner didn't like her.
They can float to a planet and thaw out if they can make the surface before burning up.👍
So RepliWeir was in the know? How come the other repli said its safe? RepliWeir sacrificed herself for Atlantis?
That replicator was weird?
Yes
How hard was it to surprise her and get her back - but only her
You'd get back a replicator that thinks it's Weir. For the moment. When that changes she becomes no better than all the other replicators we've met. Evil and destructive in the extreme.
This is the season that I had to stop watching the show. Weir’s fate was too much for kid me
How did they die when they're robots (essentially)?
They just deactivated but spacegates are near planets so they would have ended up burning up in the atmosphere.
Even if they just floated in space forever, you have to imagine that eventually the background radiation of hard vacuum would eventually defeat their internal power supply and cause their nanite bonds to fall apart. Dust = dead.
I remeber watching this, and my parents were like "What the hell are you watching?"
All they have to do is reconfigure to build a solar sail.
I mean, despite the spacing, it is safe for them.
Most advanced replicators. Space should be no problem and they should have no issue combining and forming a faster than light vessel.
Здравствуйте, Вы куда их отпустили,там атмосферы нет.
Well technically they are not dead. They are shut down / terminated. So about this being a poor human thing to do?
Nah, after so much betrayal of their kind, you won't risk these situations when your mission is to exterminate them.
No more, means no more.
Why do they always kill off the really hot ones?
Until Ryan Stevenson grabs her out of the void and puts her back into a real body. I believe she is Lantean now.
I could never tell. Did Sheppard want to get with Weir or did he want to get with Tayla?
Neither. Athar baby!
Isn’t it crazy. The wraith and Replicators are seen as the evil ones but yet the people of Atlantis’ first reaction to anyone is to shoot and kill, and all the military that was killed under their command does not bother them. They think they are all good, but really, they became just as evil.
Stargate writers suck. Tori Higginson and her character deserved so much better.