big France, last match, one day less recovery for them, they still gave the Argentines no chance. the second half was all about management from the French...good game! crazy atmosphere as always ! I think you can keep your French jersey handy, you will soon wear it again i think!^^
At 21 years old LBB has 14 caps and 10 tries. At that rate, Penaud should watch out. With 0.71 tries per match he's just in front of Penaud, who has 0.68. To think that two of France's wingers could end up competing for most test career tries of all time for their team...
Je pense que je parle à un français mais je trouve Penaud + complet dans sa palette offensive en EdF, Biayle Biarrey (put*in, cet attentat sur son nom, pardon) joue bien plus sur son énorme vitesse pour le moment. Et puis c'est comme dire qu'un buteur à 2 sélections a plus de réussite au pied qu'un buteur à 60. En 2 sélections, c'est toujours + simple d'avoir un 100% de réussite avec 9 ou 10 coups de pieds que d'avoir un carton plein avec des dizaines voir des centaines de tirs au but avec 60 sélections derrière car ça augmente forcément le pourcentage de possibilité d'échec... 😅
Both teams looked gassed after 50 minutes 😅 Colombes will really need to fix up his scrummaging.. no wonder Antonio is still 1st choice, really happy to see Villiere back on form
I recal 2-3 yearsa go watching KLA as a French Fan and wondering how in Earth one could compete with that guy ! I think now people are feeling the same about LBB =)
Irish fan here Well done France , great sending the All blacks and Argentina back home with loses. Northern hemisphere on the way back up. I predict France will take the six nations. Looking sharp guys 💪
Agree about the early penalties, I thought Sclavi deserved more a card than Montoya. Maybe Gros' injury had an impact. From the french perspective, LBB is becoming more and more crucial for the team, and he has a good defense as well. I believe Dupont didn't really have a great match (nor a great tourney I would say), but somehow it's reassuring to see the performance of the team does not only rely on him. They'll have to work on the lineout though, but perhaps it is due to the fact it's only this squad's 3rd match since the end of 6 nations.
All teams are targettting Dupont so it's more dificult for him to play, but targeting him offers oportunity for other French players to break the lines
That yellow card on Montoya was a JOKE. The french player goes back after being tackled by another Argentinean player, not because Montoya was pushing him from below.
De nombreux joueurs Argentins jouent dans le Top14 et comprennent certainement la langue francaise...Merci pour votre analyse a chaud et...j'aime votre casquette! ;)
Fun thing to see people complaining in the comments about the ref being able to speak a bit of french and not spanish (not remembering that as a northern hemisphere ref, he does ref a lot of 6 nations games involving the french). When it is France or Argentina or Italy or any other non english speaking countries against english speaking countries, we don't hear about this and the fact being a native english speaker is an advantage in world rugby.
And when the ref spoke french during this match, don't forget that most of the argentinian players evolve in the french TOP 14 and understand the french language.
@@CROM-on1bz Yes but the situation of the teams is not the same. France is 30 points at half time while Argentina 9. You don't put your body on the line the same way, especially when the weather hurts, if you just have to manage the score.
Luke Pearce refs in the 6 Nations and he started to speak French a few years ago in those games. Also a bunch of Argentinian players also speak French as 10 of those in the line up are actually playing in the top 14 and some others were plaiying in France before
@@Opitoukisskiss Idk where you wanna lead the conversation with your statement. This match involved French and Argentinian players only. What you're saying makes no sense.
@@Opitoukisskiss This was a game between France and Argentina, right? Please explain me why would I need to speak about any of the 23 South Africans playing in the Top 14 regarding this game?
@@Opitoukisskiss I think the problem is the French word "actuellement" means "currently", so "actually playing" was a bad translation. What was ment was "currently playing".
It was always going to be hard for Argentina to play three big performances in a row. As good as they can be on their day, week on week consistency is something this team still has to master. My take was that both teams were roughly on par with each other for 70 out of the 80 minutes, but ten minutes of mayhem in the first half decided the match. France are very deserved winner though, as they took their chances and then were able to defend their lead. A few notes: - France's defensive system worked really well to disrupt Los Pumas whenever they tried a backline move. - Look at the French tackling technique, from the contact to releasing. Very pleasing on the eye. Kudos to their skills coaches. - Scrumcap wingers are a South African thing and we are going to sue. - That Dupont kid is quite good, we should keep an eye on him. - Some poor passes and even poorer takes really undid Argentina tonight. - There is a notable drop in intensity from the French forwards beginning in the second half. - The sportsmanship between the two teams on the field was rather nice to see, given the the hostile environment during the Olympic Sevens. - Was interesting to see how Dupont was used when the backup scrumhalf came on. He played a classic 9 while Dupont was allowed some time in the backline
@@Camcolito Exact. Dupont se fait prendre de vitesse et perd 3 ballons en sortie de ruck, si j'ai bien compté. Excellent dans le jeu mais un match inférieur à ses standards.
Re the French try that was ruled out at the end, the knock on happened around 77:28 but when play restarted with the scrum it was 79:08.. That seems unfair on Argentina (not that it affected the result, probably). But in general, surely the time should be reset (as it is in NFL) when an infringement that would have stopped the game had it been spotted, is detected by the TMO … in a tight game, a minute and a half could change everything.
Actually yeah I've never thought about that - it did eat up a bit of the clock. In the NHL they also push the clock back to the time of the infringement
@@TwoCentsRugby Often I’ve noticed a knock-on by a team that’s under the pump and defending a lead close to the end works in their favour, with the time to set up the scrum, and the possibilities of resets.
I thought the French defence fell apart in the second half. Argentina had a ridiculous number of clean breaks that they really should have capitalised on.
@@ColinGrealy They scrambled and held their discipline well though. Argentina's running and offloading game was impressive in the second half but it was too late.
As a neutral, but going for Argentina, I actually turned it off at halftime. Good to see they came back a little but it was gone by the end of the first half.
I don't understand why the Pumas are having such a hard time improving their reception and exits from their own half. I'm not saying they would have won if they managed to fix that, but at least it would have been a much more closer match
The JM Gonzalez knock on, the penalty try and the yellow card are mind blowing to me. The TMO makes the referee notice that the ball travels backwards, all the way. But Luke Pearce says that the position of his hand shows that the "intention" was to knock it on. Really? Now we're penalizing ideas over facts? The ball went back, nevermind how his hand was positioned. France won fair and square, doesn´t need these crowd friendly desitions from the ref.
It's a ridiculous call. One point is that the ball went out. If he'd ruled that the ball was knocked out of play intentionally, that'd be a penalty try and card, but that wasn't the refs ruling. Just mind boggling
The penalty try was a clear penalty try. It's not the direction of the ball traveling it's the direction it's slapped. It keeps moving forward because of momentum. It's exactly the same principle as the ball being in motion forward but not called as a forward pass.
@@Thudsrayz Its really unclear what he's ruling because of his wording, in effect he's ruled there was a knock-on into the ball going out of play intentionally. So because he's effectively ruling on two laws at once one is possibly right (9.7b) & one is definitely wrong (11.3 & 11.4). But now we end up having an argument about intent - I think given he's tried to tap it up and the way his other arm swings around it seems to me like he wants to regather it, that he didn't fully intend for it to go out. But laws based on intent are always grey and will always end up with differences of opinion.
@@Camcolito As far as I can tell, that law of physics thing isn't applied to knock-ons - everything I can find in the laws with a knock-on suggests its very much about where the ball moves to.
@@JimmyKip Fair enough, if you've looked at the laws maybe it's different, but in that case it's probably called as a penalty try because it's straight into touch preventing a try scoring opportunity. Same result.
I think the ref didn’t mean deliberate forward but the fact that he voluntarily slapped the ball into touch, that why he’s talking about his hand facing forward meaning he was not trying to pass it backward but just slap it into touch out of lbb’s range. Even if the ball ended up going slightly backward if you look closely.
@@pequebasabe France is the powerhouse of rugby right now, they have the population, the money, and the strongest league, so refs tend to learn french lately. Wayne Barnes was also speaking french, and other refs seem to know the basics. Plus, the majority of this argentinian team play in top 14, therefore speak french. Stop making up problems when there arent any
En plus, la plupart des joueurs argentins évoluent en TOP 14 et comprennent le français. Polémique de rosbifs qui croient leur langue (du français médiéval mal digéré et abatârdi) supérieure aux autres.
ohhh come on !!! great show by France, BUT lets be serious 3 travel weeks, questionable calls from the ref, but again TIRED team, so the fun team to watch PUMAS were just absent....France should be ranked no worse than THIRD
I thought it was a messy game. I was actually disappointed at how much Argies blindly kicked the ball straight to the French so many times and so many know-on s
The rule is that if you interfere with a pass without a chance to grab the ball, it's a penalty. Please correct me if I'm wrong. This is one of the things that made us French feel that we were stolen of victory in RWC QF (Etzebeth knocking the ball out and preventing a sure try).
@@ericmarseille2but like he said eben knocked it back Arg also knocked it backwards. So that doesnt make sense the hand motion also doesnt make sense because when players get yellow cards the refs want to see the palms up his palm was up if it was deliberate it would have been i pushing or slapping down motion but he wanted to tap it over him to regather.
Argentina’s staff cannot have this shameful first halves. And this is all Staff, because if the team can play like the second half in the games against France and Ireland, it can do it in all games. This is a trend. It happened in the wins against Australia and Italy too. We can win big games giving a full half of advantage. Then about the refs, yeah, they are becoming more and more “localist” like in Football. May be frustrating, but it is part of professional sports. In this game was even more noticeable, French speaking ref and all, but that is not the point. We cannot play first halves like this, away, against top teams and expect to win.
How do you get to be a TMO is it somebody down at the lodge , don`t know where they got tempest from but should send him back , this CLOWN was actually trying to convince Luke Pearce not to award the penalty try . I`ll be watching this one like a Hawk
You can make an argument that it wasn't a penalty, and thus not a yellow penalty try so long as you believe Gonzalez did not intend for the ball to go out. Given he tapped it up, it went backwards and then bounced out, there's enough factors and grey area it could go either way.
Luke Pearce was nothing short of disgraceful in my opinion, France deserved to win, but I’ve haven’t seen such a poor performance from a referee in a long time. I can go pass the yellow cards offenses, but the Olivon clinical penalty, the scrum penalty try not given, the mall grounding not even checked, countless penalties at the breakdowns from France, the Oviedo run which it was not even in the in goal and was called held up outside the in goal. Just unreal to watch…
When there is a French knock-on, and they play on to a try that gets disallowed. Do they add that time from the knock on to the disallowed try back onto the clock? Because you’re in the last 5min there, giving Argentina possession of the ball with less seconds 30-90 seconds less on the clock potentially fatal to their chances of drawing🤔
They were 14 pts behind, not sure à minute and 20 more seconds would have made much difference, does everyone really have to be that pedantic when France wins? Suddenly it seems like so many people know the rules better than the ref, or how rules should be changed, and people that weren't in the stadium somehow managed to see things the "french TV producer" allegedly hid from the refs. It's almost like some people can't accept that France can actually win rugby games
@not sure how a 1 minute 20 will make a difference.. let me explain I’m South African, if that was us we get a scrum there, penalty from the scrum and that places us within striking distance to make it a one score game. Easy as that…
@@louisgraham8497 So best case scenario Argentina would have lost by 7 instead of 14, and that's a lot to assume they could do that considering how long it took them to score a try. I don't think that's worth changing the rules
Disappointing game ! Compare to last week this was rather ......boring . I guess it takes two to tango. Both teams looked tired and it showed . loads of mistakes , breaking the lines was just not happening . Scrums halves non existant (Dupont charged down a few times and no sparks ) French scrum is worryingly poor , line outs were awful. Highlight for me was Meafu , who's a future star and Villiere's defense and LBB , of course who put a bit of fire in what was otherwise a very average side . A game i will forget .....instantly . Hope we do better at the six nations . Still 3 games , 3 wins
I wait to see world rugby gaslight everyone that a ball tapped a yard from the tryline that lands a yard into the goal area has gone forward. Utter nonsense and the AR was trying to make that point to Pearce but got ignored. Pearce should be demoted.
France was too good for Argentina. However, I did not like that TMO at all. It was as if he was checking Argentina's plays twice as many times in much more detail as he was doing for the French plays. The first yellow, that cost Argentina a lot more that just a player, was simply a JOKE!
Montoya was out for 10 minutes, Gros is injured for at least à couple of weeks if not month, France had 2 tries disallowed, get over it the best team won yesterday. Argentina is a very good team, these players deserve better fans than the idiots who claimed they would "humble the french team" and are now left to cry about imaginary unfair refs. As in any game of rugby refs weren't perfect and of course you could cherry pick à few calls that didn't go your way, but if you just have an honest look at the game it was fair.
I only caught highlights so im glad I didn't waste my time on the game what with that refereeing. We're used to missing forward passes, or arbitrariness around head contacts, but calling a ball travelling backwards a deliberate knock-on, penalty try & yellow card is an all time terrible decision. ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxNEsyf87Fn03lEgccP0G0_FbIxLyGJe3E Edit: OK, im softening my view a bit - I think its just the way the referee worded it that has me (and alot of others) focussing on a deliberate knock on, when I suspect what he's called is actually 9.7b which is about batting the ball out of the playing area (ala SBW knocking it over the dead ball line). That one is a law about intent, which is ugly. I think in this instance you can make an argument either way about what he was trying to do, but it is a fact that he did knock the ball with his hand and it did go out of play.
Yeah man he seemed to make the called based on the direction of the hand.... either way I feel like it's a poor choice from Gonzalez - at least make LBB work for the miracle play rather than leave it more the refs to decide
@@TwoCentsRugby Yeah I think im seeing it with the same frustration I have over the deliberate knock-on stuff. I think Rugby has got way too trigger happy with yellow cards and penalty tries for stuff like this & maul collapses, and knock downs etc. So really you're right, he made it something the referee could decide rather than something he could control.
Another off day for Los Pumas. The need to practice exit kicks. Terribly slow Argie 9s. Unbelievable. Excellent Ref, despite his mistakes he did not influence the result. The cards are acceptable. Before slamming me, know the Laws of the Game, since they change all the time. That said, they change for all, at the same time. No excuses.
The pumas didn't have a day off. Yes they made mistakes, and did start slow, but same as last week they were negatively impacted by some really questionable decisions. Specially the Montoya card. But they were very competitive the entire game, but with expected drops when they were one man down. The TMO clearly chose what to review and what not to. Olivon should have been carded, there is also a clear head to head contact in the first half by french 5, that should have been looked at. And olivon later made the charge down that ended in another try, when he shouldn't have been on the field. The ref was not excellent at all, it was terrible actually. And it did influence the score (maybe not the end result, because argentina could have still lost). There was a maul that ended over the score line that he chose not to review. And there was also a play where Oviedo was just short and argentina could still play, but he said the ball was hold up, when in reality he should have been release, since he wasn't over the line. As for argentinas 9, Gonzalo García played a fantastic game, not slow at all, and was all over Dupont on defense. Bazan Velez I agree, doesn't have the level to play in Argentina, unfortunately there aren't many options. Having said all of that, France did play a really good game, specially Ramos who is an absolute artist, and of course LBB. I just hate the fact that the top 4 teams don't need this extra help they always get.
@@Bedeoz "The TMO clearly chose what to review and what not to" so when the TMO reviewed the knock on before Gailleton's try it was in favor of the French or not?
@@kropotkine9640 it was clear as day that was a knock on, there is no way that could have stand, of course they can't be that obvious. Its actually surprising that it was necessary to even review that thing.
Rugby is dying. The arbitrariness with which decisions are made about what to review with the TMO and what to ignore is unacceptable. The meticulousness with which certain actions are chosen to be examined over others is shameful. I found it extremely frustrating to watch a match completely shaped by biased decisions, where the game never flowed naturally and was constantly influenced by a referee who chose to penalize one team much more harshly than the other.
Yeah I did find it weird to hear an English speaking ref make the extra effort for the French but then the Spanish speakers get English. But then again no English speaking team ever has to have a match controlled in another language, so maybe it's normal?
Or rather "what's with the language thing that applies only to english speaking countries" ? I would love to see a game between England vs Argentina with a ref only speaking in spanish 😂 You might empathise a bit. Some foreign teams actually have to choose there captains on there ability to speak and understand english...doesn't always seem fair but nobody complains...
@@thibautmerlin2376 yes, and they lack some depth in the pack that would let them get through the 6 day turnaround. They only have 1 6 day turnaround in the 6 nations (and actually have 2 8 day) next year but it is Ireland away 6 days after Italy
@@DoddyIshamel I guess a few injured players in the pack caused that (Baille, Tatafu, Falatea, R.Tao, Tuilagi). Losing a prop after 10 minutes or less in both match didn't help either. I think there will be 2 weeks between Italy and Ireland if I am not mistaken.
Even tough there is no question France was the better team, is it necessary to have that ref performance? The rugby I grew up playing is long dead and the influence the ref had throughout the whole match was way too obvious. There was no point on keep watching the match after so many wrong or not even correctly judged decisions
You are pointing right about the fr spoken language by Luke Pearce and not comprehensible by nor argentinians nor international audience. I like watching you the fr jersey but that one need to be updated. Cheers mate
You're unbothered when refs only speak English when anglos play against non-anglos. Most Argentineans play in France and Spanish is a romance language like French, so they understand. Pearce was speaking English to them. It's fascinating to see Anglos getting consistently triggered by all things french.
Haha yeah one of these days I'll get sent an updated French one 😅 But yeah how is his French anyway? Is it better than the average French player's English?
@@Argenswiss Yeah sure, Argentina would have won by 30 if only for the ref blah blah. Jesus would you ever give it a rest, people like you are really giving rugby a bad name. Did you come in straight from soccer?
@Camcolito what game did you watch?! That was the most biased performance I've ever seen by a referee. Either you watched the wrong game or you are french
As a neutral, I turned off the game after Montoya's card - soon it will be impossible to watch rugby (at least for me) because the referees turn every accident into a card. Super frustrating.
on the language thing; English-speaking hegemony is a thing, which obviously comes with colonialist legacy and so on. There is a parallel to air traffic control, which adopted English as a worldwide standard for ease of communication; everywhere, that is, except for France. So your pilot is speaking English to everyone everywhere, except where he enters French airspace. On the colonialist legacy; I am not sure adding French and Spanish to the roster necessarily diminishes that much. The thumb on the language scale is also the Americans, not the British; there's more of them, doing more economically, especially post-Brexit, or even post WW2. I guess the fact all the top leagues bar the French are reffed in English makes adopting it as a lingua fraca comparatively sensible. I dunno though, what's Esperanto for "No hands"?
Yeah it definitely makes a degree of sense. I often wonder what the level of French is like for the English speaking refs - i.e do the French players largely speak better English than the refs can speak French? I don't speak any French so I can't tell. I just know usually when I've seen a video of "X star speaking fluent Chinese" - I listen to it and can immediately tell "no, not even close". I noticed Pearce talked to Atonio at one point and explained something in English rather than attempting in French. I guess for the main commands like "release, onside" etc it doesn't matter if his French is poor or not. But then again I'm sure the French players know those words in English too. None of this really matter but it did get me thinking 😅
Hi Mark, of course french players do understand english speaking refs when they shout basic stuff. There is no absolute need for him to speak french to be understood on the pitch. But I think it's fair, if the ref speaks one of the team's language, to use it from time to time. Why shouldn't he ? It's also a mark of consideration towards millions of french viewers on TV. Argentine players are, for the most part, used to Top 14 so no big deal here. Fact is Luke Pierce also gives his instructions regularly in french when France is involved against english speaking nations, it's not uncommon or new. Rugby needs to widen its horizons, it's a good evolution imho. I hope there will also be spanish speaking refs in the future.
La pelota sale para el costado, no para atrás. Y el jugador nuestro viene corriendo de espaldas al centro de la cancha por lo que el toque, para que la pelota salga por el costado, nunca habría podido ser hacia atrás. Es física, no hay nada que discutir.
@@marcteenhc9793 yo soy físico. No importa la intención del jugador. Importa hacia donde va la pelota. El la pega 1 mt fuera del in-goal y la pelota sale de la cancha 1 mt dentro del ingoal. En mi pueblo eso sigue siendo hacia atrás, no importa la intención o la posición de la mano. Cinemática, se llama. Movimiento sin analizar las causas. Si fuera así, empecemos a penalizar la intención de un tackle alto, la mera idea de ponerse offside, la mala onda al momento de formar un scrum...
@@lcor2009 Serás físico, pero no entendés las reglas de rugby. Aún si la pelota hubiera ido para atrás, el jugador argentino interrumpe una jugada que terminaría en try sin tener posibilidad real de agarrarla (apenas puede manotearla)...es decir era try-penal de cualquier manera.
Like Civil Aviation the defacto language should be English for rugby internationals. It's easier for Captains to learn English than have the refs all learn 50+ languages.
The ref could speak english and a bit of french. What's the big deal with that? On the pitch he was only using french to address himself to the french defense to fluid the game.
Argies on the field speak better French than English. Go learn other languages man it will change your life. Everyone should be able to speak at least 2 languages.
Another Anglo who can't stand hearing another language than his on the field, an who's oblivious to the fact that Argentineans probably understand French better than English. Plus Pearce spoke English to them.
That was appalling! Disgusting! Most biased reff performance ive seen in my life, it was like he had two different seats of rules for each team... He judged the exact same thing differently for france than Argentina over and over and over, this night will stain the sport forever in my eyes
@peyro51 two late tackles that were exactly the same one was a penalty the other suddenly the timing was fine, 3 times France knocked on the ball very clearly, two the reff didn't do shit and the other he only did because the tmo forced him to check it, if not he somehow saw it as an Argentinian knock on, Montoya's yellow was beyond absurd, France should have had a yellow as they gave away 7 pens in a row In their 5 meter line, he penalised Argentina for everything and France just got warnings getting away with resetting scrums that should have been a penalty or slowing the ball when it should have been an advantage... Over and over and over things got immediately called against Argentina and ignored when it was against France
How is penalty try by a deliverate knock on.....when is was clear it wasnt a knoci on.....Gonzalez touch the ball out of the ingoal and the ball knock IN the ingoal
Ofc. And nobody saying that when the Saffa are involved. With the score 37-23 and what could be seen on the pitch this is a no match. And please, learn the new rules before complaining about the ref
@@Alornell What "new" rule was inflicted? I can tell you what I saw. A croc roll that not rolled. A tight head prop going down before the scrum start, and the ref asking the 9 to trow the ball. The ref asking a player for several seconds to leave a non legal position. No consistency about late tackles. Not checking for a possible try, after trying to see the ball for several seconds. Calling a forward pass because the hand was "facing" some field side. A reckless penalty that avoid a potential scoring, and not even warning the player nor the team. Not new rules there, just the old ones.
@@garrameesta4889 So learn the old ones too. Gonzalez's hand taped the ball with the intention to put it backward to avoid the try. The ball ended off the field anyway which is not allowed. I can only count one late french tackle on the late game (and one could argue that it was late but still on time) Argentinians used that type of play too on several occasions to slow the game/rucks etc The croc roll wasn't one for me neither I give you that, but you can not disagree with the fact that Argentinian players put too much engagement at the beginning and made several unsafe tackles, this penalty/yellow card is a consequence of that Speaking about the scrums, it's 50/50, both teams got pretty much the same amount of penalties in this sector. And to be fair, even knowing the rules if you're not on the pitch or on tmo you can not be objective in this regard. Nobody mostly understand the scrums.
@@Alornell About tapping the ball and ending off the field, it only applies when the ball goes directly off. Not this case. There where only one late argentinian tackle too, it was previous to the french one, and Pierce made the call. About scrums, there were pretty even. But the one I mentioned was a clear penalty before to play it. If we rewatch the game I can point every dubious call. I'm not saying France wouldn't win, but did they need the help?
big France, last match, one day less recovery for them, they still gave the Argentines no chance. the second half was all about management from the French...good game! crazy atmosphere as always ! I think you can keep your French jersey handy, you will soon wear it again i think!^^
@@gandigooglegandigoogle7202 you forgot the extra french man, Luckchez Pierceon
Yeah congratulations France getting all the help from the ref as possible, well done.
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@@projectneich4415 cry me a river salt man
@@projectneich4415 Keep crying looser...
At 21 years old LBB has 14 caps and 10 tries. At that rate, Penaud should watch out. With 0.71 tries per match he's just in front of Penaud, who has 0.68. To think that two of France's wingers could end up competing for most test career tries of all time for their team...
Friendly competition is good and there's no problem as they aren't playing on the same side of the field!
Je pense que je parle à un français mais je trouve Penaud + complet dans sa palette offensive en EdF, Biayle Biarrey (put*in, cet attentat sur son nom, pardon) joue bien plus sur son énorme vitesse pour le moment.
Et puis c'est comme dire qu'un buteur à 2 sélections a plus de réussite au pied qu'un buteur à 60. En 2 sélections, c'est toujours + simple d'avoir un 100% de réussite avec 9 ou 10 coups de pieds que d'avoir un carton plein avec des dizaines voir des centaines de tirs au but avec 60 sélections derrière car ça augmente forcément le pourcentage de possibilité d'échec... 😅
and they play in the same club !
Both teams looked gassed after 50 minutes 😅 Colombes will really need to fix up his scrummaging.. no wonder Antonio is still 1st choice, really happy to see Villiere back on form
Well played France!
I swear that LBB try looked like time was sped up for him.
Yeah he's insanely quick man.. it almost feels unfair 😅
@@TwoCentsRugby Frightening stuff...
I recal 2-3 yearsa go watching KLA as a French Fan and wondering how in Earth one could compete with that guy ! I think now people are feeling the same about LBB =)
@@thomaseskenazi2013 Yeah I get very similar vibes from him.
Irish fan here Well done France , great sending the All blacks and Argentina back home with loses. Northern hemisphere on the way back up.
I predict France will take the six nations. Looking sharp guys 💪
Agree about the early penalties, I thought Sclavi deserved more a card than Montoya. Maybe Gros' injury had an impact.
From the french perspective, LBB is becoming more and more crucial for the team, and he has a good defense as well.
I believe Dupont didn't really have a great match (nor a great tourney I would say), but somehow it's reassuring to see the performance of the team does not only rely on him.
They'll have to work on the lineout though, but perhaps it is due to the fact it's only this squad's 3rd match since the end of 6 nations.
All teams are targettting Dupont so it's more dificult for him to play, but targeting him offers oportunity for other French players to break the lines
@@kropotkine9640 I believe in this match he made some uncharacteristic errors, but I agree with your comment.
That yellow card on Montoya was a JOKE. The french player goes back after being tackled by another Argentinean player, not because Montoya was pushing him from below.
good series from France, good spirit for 6 nations
Well, no team can take Argentina for granted anymore and France brought their A - game.
@@ayethein7681Argentina are good now, we’ll see if it lasts.
@@ayethein7681 France A game but not A team
France was missing Ntamack, Baille, Jelonch and Penaud also 7 or 8 players had less than 10 caps
De nombreux joueurs Argentins jouent dans le Top14 et comprennent certainement la langue francaise...Merci pour votre analyse a chaud et...j'aime votre casquette! ;)
can't wait for tomorrow. What a morning/afternoon of rrrrruuuuuuugggby!
And thereafter its all over with the season 😒
Yeah this Autumn Series has been pretty awesome.
I would nickname Bielle-Barey French-Sonic
I can heard the background music now.
It’s Lil Bip Bip
Son surnom, c'est "la mobylette" (mais on pourrait aussi l'appeler Speedy Gonzalez").
Fun thing to see people complaining in the comments about the ref being able to speak a bit of french and not spanish (not remembering that as a northern hemisphere ref, he does ref a lot of 6 nations games involving the french).
When it is France or Argentina or Italy or any other non english speaking countries against english speaking countries, we don't hear about this and the fact being a native english speaker is an advantage in world rugby.
And when the ref spoke french during this match, don't forget that most of the argentinian players evolve in the french TOP 14 and understand the french language.
It was FREEZING 🥶 in the stadium. You had to be there to feel it and understand why you let go a bit the second half under these conditions.
Ah yeah I had seen pictures in the buildup this week of some pretty nasty weather!
The weather conditions were the same for both teams, so the problem, if there is one, does not come from there.
@@CROM-on1bz Yes but the situation of the teams is not the same. France is 30 points at half time while Argentina 9. You don't put your body on the line the same way, especially when the weather hurts, if you just have to manage the score.
Luke Pearce refs in the 6 Nations and he started to speak French a few years ago in those games. Also a bunch of Argentinian players also speak French as 10 of those in the line up are actually playing in the top 14 and some others were plaiying in France before
"are actually playing" ? do you imply that some others are not actually playing ? Like South African ones ?
@@Opitoukisskiss Idk where you wanna lead the conversation with your statement. This match involved French and Argentinian players only.
What you're saying makes no sense.
@@Opitoukisskiss This was a game between France and Argentina, right? Please explain me why would I need to speak about any of the 23 South Africans playing in the Top 14 regarding this game?
@@Opitoukisskiss I think the problem is the French word "actuellement" means "currently", so "actually playing" was a bad translation. What was ment was "currently playing".
@LDiCesare Merci prof, je vais tenter de ne plus faire cette erreur 😉
It was always going to be hard for Argentina to play three big performances in a row. As good as they can be on their day, week on week consistency is something this team still has to master.
My take was that both teams were roughly on par with each other for 70 out of the 80 minutes, but ten minutes of mayhem in the first half decided the match. France are very deserved winner though, as they took their chances and then were able to defend their lead. A few notes:
- France's defensive system worked really well to disrupt Los Pumas whenever they tried a backline move.
- Look at the French tackling technique, from the contact to releasing. Very pleasing on the eye. Kudos to their skills coaches.
- Scrumcap wingers are a South African thing and we are going to sue.
- That Dupont kid is quite good, we should keep an eye on him.
- Some poor passes and even poorer takes really undid Argentina tonight.
- There is a notable drop in intensity from the French forwards beginning in the second half.
- The sportsmanship between the two teams on the field was rather nice to see, given the the hostile environment during the Olympic Sevens.
- Was interesting to see how Dupont was used when the backup scrumhalf came on. He played a classic 9 while Dupont was allowed some time in the backline
I didn't think Dupont had a great game, especially by his standards. He was dispossessed a couple of times and not a whole lot of magic.
As there's no patent on the scrumcap wingers filed by the Boks, you're objection is overruled 😉
Argies will soon be in the top dog classification.
@@Camcolito Exact. Dupont se fait prendre de vitesse et perd 3 ballons en sortie de ruck, si j'ai bien compté. Excellent dans le jeu mais un match inférieur à ses standards.
@@Opitoukisskiss Yeah pretty ordinary by his standards man, but it's good you don't have to rely on Dupont having a great game to still win.
Ref speaking French is no issue for the Argentinians. Most play in the Top 14.
Re the French try that was ruled out at the end, the knock on happened around 77:28 but when play restarted with the scrum it was 79:08.. That seems unfair on Argentina (not that it affected the result, probably). But in general, surely the time should be reset (as it is in NFL) when an infringement that would have stopped the game had it been spotted, is detected by the TMO … in a tight game, a minute and a half could change everything.
Actually yeah I've never thought about that - it did eat up a bit of the clock. In the NHL they also push the clock back to the time of the infringement
@@TwoCentsRugby Often I’ve noticed a knock-on by a team that’s under the pump and defending a lead close to the end works in their favour, with the time to set up the scrum, and the possibilities of resets.
Difficult to say this game was tight, with a lead of 14 points... Last week's french game was a better example of a tight game.
Argentina good 2nd half team
But they need to be consistent
for the whole game. Although you
got to give credit to French defence
I thought the French defence fell apart in the second half. Argentina had a ridiculous number of clean breaks that they really should have capitalised on.
@@ColinGrealy They scrambled and held their discipline well though. Argentina's running and offloading game was impressive in the second half but it was too late.
Thanks Mark. Shame the games are not on free TV. Would have liked to watch this.
U could on french tv, TF1 or France TV are free
@peristyle24 that's good. In the UK they're behind a paywall
You can find it for free on RUclips from the FFR
As a neutral, but going for Argentina, I actually turned it off at halftime. Good to see they came back a little but it was gone by the end of the first half.
Match should've been closer but you know, ref corruption again.
@@projectneich4415Come on. Behave, mate.
@@projectneich4415 You should consider getting treatment, what you are saying makes no sense.
@@CROM-on1bz you should consider getting treatment for your sister, for after what she did last night.
Yet another Argentinian comeback falls short. Why can’t they start games with the way they finish them?
Idk
They will get there
Because they are playing better teams
Alas for him, Gonzalez was not Etzebeth. No further comment.
I don't understand why the Pumas are having such a hard time improving their reception and exits from their own half. I'm not saying they would have won if they managed to fix that, but at least it would have been a much more closer match
Yeah man it's very very frustrating and let the French push the score out to a comfortable position
Lil Bip Bip basically has a turbo mode.
The JM Gonzalez knock on, the penalty try and the yellow card are mind blowing to me. The TMO makes the referee notice that the ball travels backwards, all the way. But Luke Pearce says that the position of his hand shows that the "intention" was to knock it on. Really? Now we're penalizing ideas over facts? The ball went back, nevermind how his hand was positioned. France won fair and square, doesn´t need these crowd friendly desitions from the ref.
It's a ridiculous call. One point is that the ball went out. If he'd ruled that the ball was knocked out of play intentionally, that'd be a penalty try and card, but that wasn't the refs ruling. Just mind boggling
The penalty try was a clear penalty try. It's not the direction of the ball traveling it's the direction it's slapped. It keeps moving forward because of momentum. It's exactly the same principle as the ball being in motion forward but not called as a forward pass.
@@Thudsrayz Its really unclear what he's ruling because of his wording, in effect he's ruled there was a knock-on into the ball going out of play intentionally. So because he's effectively ruling on two laws at once one is possibly right (9.7b) & one is definitely wrong (11.3 & 11.4).
But now we end up having an argument about intent - I think given he's tried to tap it up and the way his other arm swings around it seems to me like he wants to regather it, that he didn't fully intend for it to go out. But laws based on intent are always grey and will always end up with differences of opinion.
@@Camcolito As far as I can tell, that law of physics thing isn't applied to knock-ons - everything I can find in the laws with a knock-on suggests its very much about where the ball moves to.
@@JimmyKip Fair enough, if you've looked at the laws maybe it's different, but in that case it's probably called as a penalty try because it's straight into touch preventing a try scoring opportunity. Same result.
I think the ref didn’t mean deliberate forward but the fact that he voluntarily slapped the ball into touch, that why he’s talking about his hand facing forward meaning he was not trying to pass it backward but just slap it into touch out of lbb’s range. Even if the ball ended up going slightly backward if you look closely.
Thanks Mark
No worries!
ce commentaire sur l' arbitre qui parle français est ridicule, quand les arbitres ne parle qu'anglais ça ne vous dérange pas , ridicule
It's great... If he also were to speak Spanish
@@pequebasabe rugby world build an university for referee in french,english,italian,spanish,georgian,fijian etc...
@@pequebasabe France is the powerhouse of rugby right now, they have the population, the money, and the strongest league, so refs tend to learn french lately. Wayne Barnes was also speaking french, and other refs seem to know the basics. Plus, the majority of this argentinian team play in top 14, therefore speak french. Stop making up problems when there arent any
En plus, la plupart des joueurs argentins évoluent en TOP 14 et comprennent le français. Polémique de rosbifs qui croient leur langue (du français médiéval mal digéré et abatârdi) supérieure aux autres.
Any thoughts on the yellow card on Montoya? That set the game to a bad start IMHO
Yeah I didn't think that one was gonna be yellow... but yeah they seem to be super focused on that at the moment
I see what you did here with Louis Bielle Biarrey = LBB.
much easier🤣🤣🤣
I think Iheard ref speak French, Spanish, and English - all in 15 seconds. Nice ingredient.
ohhh come on !!! great show by France, BUT lets be serious 3 travel weeks, questionable calls from the ref, but again TIRED team, so the fun team to watch PUMAS were just absent....France should be ranked no worse than THIRD
I thought it was a messy game. I was actually disappointed at how much Argies blindly kicked the ball straight to the French so many times and so many know-on s
Game of 2 halves.
French with a better purpose. 2 outstanding French Red Flash Wingers.
5:07 Mark can you explain how is it knock on when Gonzalez hit the ball outside the ingoal, and the ball touched ground inside the ingoal?
Its only a knock on because Pearce said it was; in reality it is clearly not and he has made a hugely incorrect call.
Because of momentum. Same principle is applied to forward traveling passes which aren't actually ruled forward.
@@Camcolito What?? The ball was in the air, not in Gonzalez hands, so it is clearly not the same as forward traveling passes you mention.
The rule is that if you interfere with a pass without a chance to grab the ball, it's a penalty. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
This is one of the things that made us French feel that we were stolen of victory in RWC QF (Etzebeth knocking the ball out and preventing a sure try).
@@ericmarseille2but like he said eben knocked it back Arg also knocked it backwards. So that doesnt make sense the hand motion also doesnt make sense because when players get yellow cards the refs want to see the palms up his palm was up if it was deliberate it would have been i pushing or slapping down motion but he wanted to tap it over him to regather.
Much like last week, Argentina just didn't use their opportunities, and left it too late at the end. Pretty annoying to be honest 😒
Argentina’s staff cannot have this shameful first halves. And this is all Staff, because if the team can play like the second half in the games against France and Ireland, it can do it in all games. This is a trend. It happened in the wins against Australia and Italy too.
We can win big games giving a full half of advantage.
Then about the refs, yeah, they are becoming more and more “localist” like in Football. May be frustrating, but it is part of professional sports. In this game was even more noticeable, French speaking ref and all, but that is not the point. We cannot play first halves like this, away, against top teams and expect to win.
Twice he has that kind of pace
How do you get to be a TMO is it somebody down at the lodge , don`t know where they got tempest from but should send him back , this CLOWN was actually trying to convince Luke Pearce not to award the penalty try . I`ll be watching this one like a Hawk
You can make an argument that it wasn't a penalty, and thus not a yellow penalty try so long as you believe Gonzalez did not intend for the ball to go out. Given he tapped it up, it went backwards and then bounced out, there's enough factors and grey area it could go either way.
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Luke Pearce was nothing short of disgraceful in my opinion, France deserved to win, but I’ve haven’t seen such a poor performance from a referee in a long time. I can go pass the yellow cards offenses, but the Olivon clinical penalty, the scrum penalty try not given, the mall grounding not even checked, countless penalties at the breakdowns from France, the Oviedo run which it was not even in the in goal and was called held up outside the in goal. Just unreal to watch…
When there is a French knock-on, and they play on to a try that gets disallowed.
Do they add that time from the knock on to the disallowed try back onto the clock?
Because you’re in the last 5min there, giving Argentina possession of the ball with less seconds 30-90 seconds less on the clock potentially fatal to their chances of drawing🤔
They were 14 pts behind, not sure à minute and 20 more seconds would have made much difference, does everyone really have to be that pedantic when France wins? Suddenly it seems like so many people know the rules better than the ref, or how rules should be changed, and people that weren't in the stadium somehow managed to see things the "french TV producer" allegedly hid from the refs. It's almost like some people can't accept that France can actually win rugby games
@not sure how a 1 minute 20 will make a difference.. let me explain I’m South African, if that was us we get a scrum there, penalty from the scrum and that places us within striking distance to make it a one score game. Easy as that…
@@louisgraham8497 So best case scenario Argentina would have lost by 7 instead of 14, and that's a lot to assume they could do that considering how long it took them to score a try. I don't think that's worth changing the rules
Disappointing game ! Compare to last week this was rather ......boring . I guess it takes two to tango. Both teams looked tired and it showed . loads of mistakes , breaking the lines was just not happening . Scrums halves non existant (Dupont charged down a few times and no sparks ) French scrum is worryingly poor , line outs were awful. Highlight for me was Meafu , who's a future star and Villiere's defense and LBB , of course who put a bit of fire in what was otherwise a very average side . A game i will forget .....instantly . Hope we do better at the six nations . Still 3 games , 3 wins
I think it was a pretty decent game but the score wasn't close which made it less interesting.
I wait to see world rugby gaslight everyone that a ball tapped a yard from the tryline that lands a yard into the goal area has gone forward. Utter nonsense and the AR was trying to make that point to Pearce but got ignored. Pearce should be demoted.
Vous voulez le remplacer peut-être 😅
France was too good for Argentina. However, I did not like that TMO at all. It was as if he was checking Argentina's plays twice as many times in much more detail as he was doing for the French plays. The first yellow, that cost Argentina a lot more that just a player, was simply a JOKE!
TMO's....are being generally problematic this season
First yellow cost Gros' knee, if that matters.
@@ogamiitto8627 It is a very physical sport.
Montoya was out for 10 minutes, Gros is injured for at least à couple of weeks if not month, France had 2 tries disallowed, get over it the best team won yesterday. Argentina is a very good team, these players deserve better fans than the idiots who claimed they would "humble the french team" and are now left to cry about imaginary unfair refs. As in any game of rugby refs weren't perfect and of course you could cherry pick à few calls that didn't go your way, but if you just have an honest look at the game it was fair.
@@clementbatut4053 Read my first line!
I only caught highlights so im glad I didn't waste my time on the game what with that refereeing. We're used to missing forward passes, or arbitrariness around head contacts, but calling a ball travelling backwards a deliberate knock-on, penalty try & yellow card is an all time terrible decision.
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Edit: OK, im softening my view a bit - I think its just the way the referee worded it that has me (and alot of others) focussing on a deliberate knock on, when I suspect what he's called is actually 9.7b which is about batting the ball out of the playing area (ala SBW knocking it over the dead ball line). That one is a law about intent, which is ugly. I think in this instance you can make an argument either way about what he was trying to do, but it is a fact that he did knock the ball with his hand and it did go out of play.
Yeah man he seemed to make the called based on the direction of the hand.... either way I feel like it's a poor choice from Gonzalez - at least make LBB work for the miracle play rather than leave it more the refs to decide
@@TwoCentsRugby Yeah I think im seeing it with the same frustration I have over the deliberate knock-on stuff. I think Rugby has got way too trigger happy with yellow cards and penalty tries for stuff like this & maul collapses, and knock downs etc. So really you're right, he made it something the referee could decide rather than something he could control.
37 -23 French win despite an overpowered scrum, a defective line out and Dupont still with his 7’s head on…
Roll on the Six Nations.
Another off day for Los Pumas. The need to practice exit kicks. Terribly slow Argie 9s. Unbelievable. Excellent Ref, despite his mistakes he did not influence the result. The cards are acceptable. Before slamming me, know the Laws of the Game, since they change all the time. That said, they change for all, at the same time. No excuses.
Yes the mighty Argentina were off today, hence how the French minnows managed to pull off an upset at home.
@@Camcolito France were favorite,there's no upset in them winning here
The pumas didn't have a day off. Yes they made mistakes, and did start slow, but same as last week they were negatively impacted by some really questionable decisions. Specially the Montoya card. But they were very competitive the entire game, but with expected drops when they were one man down.
The TMO clearly chose what to review and what not to. Olivon should have been carded, there is also a clear head to head contact in the first half by french 5, that should have been looked at. And olivon later made the charge down that ended in another try, when he shouldn't have been on the field. The ref was not excellent at all, it was terrible actually. And it did influence the score (maybe not the end result, because argentina could have still lost).
There was a maul that ended over the score line that he chose not to review. And there was also a play where Oviedo was just short and argentina could still play, but he said the ball was hold up, when in reality he should have been release, since he wasn't over the line.
As for argentinas 9, Gonzalo García played a fantastic game, not slow at all, and was all over Dupont on defense. Bazan Velez I agree, doesn't have the level to play in Argentina, unfortunately there aren't many options.
Having said all of that, France did play a really good game, specially Ramos who is an absolute artist, and of course LBB. I just hate the fact that the top 4 teams don't need this extra help they always get.
@@Bedeoz "The TMO clearly chose what to review and what not to" so when the TMO reviewed the knock on before Gailleton's try it was in favor of the French or not?
@@kropotkine9640 it was clear as day that was a knock on, there is no way that could have stand, of course they can't be that obvious. Its actually surprising that it was necessary to even review that thing.
Montoya yellow was atrocious. Ruined the game and cost Argentina the game.
Rugby is dying. The arbitrariness with which decisions are made about what to review with the TMO and what to ignore is unacceptable. The meticulousness with which certain actions are chosen to be examined over others is shameful. I found it extremely frustrating to watch a match completely shaped by biased decisions, where the game never flowed naturally and was constantly influenced by a referee who chose to penalize one team much more harshly than the other.
Agree. Still, France was clearly superior today.
Sure rugby is dying because my team lost 😂
@@Camcolito C'est pas la fin du rugby, c'est la fin du monde
Refs should be allowed to explain their decisions post match. And what's with the language thing that applies only to french? 👀👀
Yeah I did find it weird to hear an English speaking ref make the extra effort for the French but then the Spanish speakers get English.
But then again no English speaking team ever has to have a match controlled in another language, so maybe it's normal?
Perhaps because apart from English he speaks French and don't speak Spanish
A lot of the Argentine guys play in the Top 14 and are French speakers, I think that's the rationale. Plus he just can't speak Spanish probably!
Quite funny you point this out because that’s an issue for our (France) games vs basically every other team not names Argentina.
Pretty unfair right ?
Or rather "what's with the language thing that applies only to english speaking countries" ? I would love to see a game between England vs Argentina with a ref only speaking in spanish 😂 You might empathise a bit. Some foreign teams actually have to choose there captains on there ability to speak and understand english...doesn't always seem fair but nobody complains...
France looked so unfit in the second half (forwards at least).
In the scrum they were bad but for the entire game, not just the first half
French scrum coach has a lot of work to do before the 6 Nations
Guess the match just 6 days ago against All Blacks had its toll.
Ye both teams looked gassed after 50 minutes
@@thibautmerlin2376 yes, and they lack some depth in the pack that would let them get through the 6 day turnaround. They only have 1 6 day turnaround in the 6 nations (and actually have 2 8 day) next year but it is Ireland away 6 days after Italy
@@DoddyIshamel I guess a few injured players in the pack caused that (Baille, Tatafu, Falatea, R.Tao, Tuilagi). Losing a prop after 10 minutes or less in both match didn't help either.
I think there will be 2 weeks between Italy and Ireland if I am not mistaken.
Even tough there is no question France was the better team, is it necessary to have that ref performance? The rugby I grew up playing is long dead and the influence the ref had throughout the whole match was way too obvious. There was no point on keep watching the match after so many wrong or not even correctly judged decisions
Stop crying please
You are pointing right about the fr spoken language by Luke Pearce and not comprehensible by nor argentinians nor international audience. I like watching you the fr jersey but that one need to be updated. Cheers mate
You're unbothered when refs only speak English when anglos play against non-anglos. Most Argentineans play in France and Spanish is a romance language like French, so they understand. Pearce was speaking English to them. It's fascinating to see Anglos getting consistently triggered by all things french.
@@MC_Jean_Raclette wesh jean raclette dépressieurise, je me suis mis à la place des anglais qui regardaient la TV. Moi aussi je l'aime bien mon EDF
@@nimithdouang9608 Mdr c'est encore pire alors si t'es FR...
Haha yeah one of these days I'll get sent an updated French one 😅 But yeah how is his French anyway? Is it better than the average French player's English?
@@TwoCentsRugby A bit quirky but decent. Love your content btw.
Great game but ref nearly ruined it in first half.
He played for France the entire game
That's strange, for me it wasn't a great game and the ref was fine.
@@Argenswiss Yeah sure, Argentina would have won by 30 if only for the ref blah blah. Jesus would you ever give it a rest, people like you are really giving rugby a bad name. Did you come in straight from soccer?
so when he punished French scrums or disalowed Gailleton's try he was playing for France?
@Camcolito what game did you watch?! That was the most biased performance I've ever seen by a referee. Either you watched the wrong game or you are french
Another french lesson from luke pierce free of charge.
That second half sucked.
As a neutral, I turned off the game after Montoya's card - soon it will be impossible to watch rugby (at least for me) because the referees turn every accident into a card. Super frustrating.
I lost interest when the Argentina stupid meter started clicking faster.
on the language thing; English-speaking hegemony is a thing, which obviously comes with colonialist legacy and so on. There is a parallel to air traffic control, which adopted English as a worldwide standard for ease of communication; everywhere, that is, except for France. So your pilot is speaking English to everyone everywhere, except where he enters French airspace. On the colonialist legacy; I am not sure adding French and Spanish to the roster necessarily diminishes that much. The thumb on the language scale is also the Americans, not the British; there's more of them, doing more economically, especially post-Brexit, or even post WW2. I guess the fact all the top leagues bar the French are reffed in English makes adopting it as a lingua fraca comparatively sensible. I dunno though, what's Esperanto for "No hands"?
Yeah it definitely makes a degree of sense. I often wonder what the level of French is like for the English speaking refs - i.e do the French players largely speak better English than the refs can speak French?
I don't speak any French so I can't tell. I just know usually when I've seen a video of "X star speaking fluent Chinese" - I listen to it and can immediately tell "no, not even close".
I noticed Pearce talked to Atonio at one point and explained something in English rather than attempting in French.
I guess for the main commands like "release, onside" etc it doesn't matter if his French is poor or not. But then again I'm sure the French players know those words in English too.
None of this really matter but it did get me thinking 😅
Hi Mark, of course french players do understand english speaking refs when they shout basic stuff. There is no absolute need for him to speak french to be understood on the pitch. But I think it's fair, if the ref speaks one of the team's language, to use it from time to time. Why shouldn't he ? It's also a mark of consideration towards millions of french viewers on TV. Argentine players are, for the most part, used to Top 14 so no big deal here. Fact is Luke Pierce also gives his instructions regularly in french when France is involved against english speaking nations, it's not uncommon or new. Rugby needs to widen its horizons, it's a good evolution imho. I hope there will also be spanish speaking refs in the future.
100% man - I believe one of the French refs speaks Spanish, but I'm not 100% sure
I see no unfairness here, as Luke Pearce's French sounds Spanish.
Ref was a joke seriously, these European refs be killing rugby
Craig Joubert killed Rugby years ago ^
*Laughs in Ben O'Keeffe*
Explain me again how it was a deliverate knock on in the penalty try please
La pelota sale para el costado, no para atrás. Y el jugador nuestro viene corriendo de espaldas al centro de la cancha por lo que el toque, para que la pelota salga por el costado, nunca habría podido ser hacia atrás. Es física, no hay nada que discutir.
@@marcteenhc9793 yo soy físico. No importa la intención del jugador. Importa hacia donde va la pelota. El la pega 1 mt fuera del in-goal y la pelota sale de la cancha 1 mt dentro del ingoal. En mi pueblo eso sigue siendo hacia atrás, no importa la intención o la posición de la mano. Cinemática, se llama. Movimiento sin analizar las causas. Si fuera así, empecemos a penalizar la intención de un tackle alto, la mera idea de ponerse offside, la mala onda al momento de formar un scrum...
@@lcor2009 my Spanish language skills are horrid, but I agree 100% with what google translate says you said!
Momentum.
@@lcor2009 Serás físico, pero no entendés las reglas de rugby. Aún si la pelota hubiera ido para atrás, el jugador argentino interrumpe una jugada que terminaría en try sin tener posibilidad real de agarrarla (apenas puede manotearla)...es decir era try-penal de cualquier manera.
Like Civil Aviation the defacto language should be English for rugby internationals.
It's easier for Captains to learn English than have the refs all learn 50+ languages.
but if the ref speaks the language of one of the team why wouldn't he used it?
The ref could speak english and a bit of french. What's the big deal with that? On the pitch he was only using french to address himself to the french defense to fluid the game.
Argies on the field speak better French than English. Go learn other languages man it will change your life. Everyone should be able to speak at least 2 languages.
Unlike Civil Aviation the defacto language should be Klingon for rugby internationals.
Another Anglo who can't stand hearing another language than his on the field, an who's oblivious to the fact that Argentineans probably understand French better than English. Plus Pearce spoke English to them.
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Would have been great if the Boks played the French in this series - and the Irish international selection.
That was appalling! Disgusting! Most biased reff performance ive seen in my life, it was like he had two different seats of rules for each team... He judged the exact same thing differently for france than Argentina over and over and over, this night will stain the sport forever in my eyes
What are talking about mate. What game did you watch? Name one action.
@peyro51 two late tackles that were exactly the same one was a penalty the other suddenly the timing was fine, 3 times France knocked on the ball very clearly, two the reff didn't do shit and the other he only did because the tmo forced him to check it, if not he somehow saw it as an Argentinian knock on, Montoya's yellow was beyond absurd, France should have had a yellow as they gave away 7 pens in a row In their 5 meter line, he penalised Argentina for everything and France just got warnings getting away with resetting scrums that should have been a penalty or slowing the ball when it should have been an advantage... Over and over and over things got immediately called against Argentina and ignored when it was against France
I guess it's all a matter of point of view. I found the ref coherent regarding the players' safety and the rules in general (the new ones too).
@Alornell yes he was consistent, he has a rulebook for France and one for Argentina and consistently applied them thusly
How is penalty try by a deliverate knock on.....when is was clear it wasnt a knoci on.....Gonzalez touch the ball out of the ingoal and the ball knock IN the ingoal
Another ref performance helping northern team. When in doubt, call for north.
Ofc. And nobody saying that when the Saffa are involved. With the score 37-23 and what could be seen on the pitch this is a no match.
And please, learn the new rules before complaining about the ref
@@Alornell What "new" rule was inflicted? I can tell you what I saw. A croc roll that not rolled. A tight head prop going down before the scrum start, and the ref asking the 9 to trow the ball. The ref asking a player for several seconds to leave a non legal position. No consistency about late tackles. Not checking for a possible try, after trying to see the ball for several seconds. Calling a forward pass because the hand was "facing" some field side. A reckless penalty that avoid a potential scoring, and not even warning the player nor the team. Not new rules there, just the old ones.
@@garrameesta4889 A southerner whining about refs and rules when one of the "southern" teams loses, yawn.
@@garrameesta4889 So learn the old ones too.
Gonzalez's hand taped the ball with the intention to put it backward to avoid the try. The ball ended off the field anyway which is not allowed.
I can only count one late french tackle on the late game (and one could argue that it was late but still on time) Argentinians used that type of play too on several occasions to slow the game/rucks etc
The croc roll wasn't one for me neither I give you that, but you can not disagree with the fact that Argentinian players put too much engagement at the beginning and made several unsafe tackles, this penalty/yellow card is a consequence of that
Speaking about the scrums, it's 50/50, both teams got pretty much the same amount of penalties in this sector.
And to be fair, even knowing the rules if you're not on the pitch or on tmo you can not be objective in this regard. Nobody mostly understand the scrums.
@@Alornell About tapping the ball and ending off the field, it only applies when the ball goes directly off. Not this case.
There where only one late argentinian tackle too, it was previous to the french one, and Pierce made the call.
About scrums, there were pretty even. But the one I mentioned was a clear penalty before to play it.
If we rewatch the game I can point every dubious call. I'm not saying France wouldn't win, but did they need the help?
So, Argentina loosing the game because the referrer speak in french to the French team?!...