Why Caribbean Culture Is Off-Limits to Black Americans!
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- **Decline of Marriage in Caribbean Societies**: We kick off with a candid discussion on why marriage rates are declining in the Caribbean. Is it the influence of Western culture or a shift in societal values? Let's unravel this together! 🤔💍
- **Gatekeeping Carnival and Cultural Appreciation**: Ever wondered about the fine line between cultural appreciation and appropriation in Caribbean festivities like Carnival? We tackle this head-on, emphasizing the importance of understanding before participating. 🎉🤝
- **Black Unity Across Borders**: From Africa to the Caribbean to America, we explore the ties that bind and sometimes divide us. Join the conversation on breaking stereotypes and fostering unity in the black community. 🌍✊
- **Impact of Music on Youth**: Dancehall, Drill, and their influence on the younger generation - it's a hot topic and we're here for it! 🎶👥
- **Success Stories of Caribbean Immigrants**: Hear about the struggles, stereotypes, and triumphs of Caribbean immigrants in America. It's a story of resilience and hard work. 💼🌟
- **Dating, Relationships, and Gender Dynamics**: We get real about love, relationships, and the complexities within the Caribbean community. 💔💞
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[00:05:18] Gatekeeping Carnival.
[00:07:23] Foreign influencers in Caribbean Carnival.
[00:10:46] Gatekeeping cultural celebrations.
[00:16:01] Black Americans vs. Caribbean perspective.
[00:20:09] Caribbean men and dating.
[00:23:38] Caribbean men as providers.
[00:26:34] Influence of dancehall and drill music.
[00:30:12] Industry plants and black women.
[00:32:55] Influence of music on crime.
[00:36:01] The government and child protection.
[00:40:54] Caribbean female artists from back then to now.
[00:44:29] Decrease in Caribbean marriages.
[00:46:29] Racism in Guyana and Caribbean.
[00:50:08] Competing for quality men.
[00:53:37] Differences in dating cultures.
[00:56:37] Prioritizing financial support in relationships.
[00:59:36] Getting back to valuing family and marriage.
[01:03:07] Healing community trauma.
[01:06:14] Is it chicken curry or curry chicken?
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I was here home in the clouds fam not feeling well 💕 trying to get better for the bday next week the 21st came bk around quick TGBTG! 🙏🏾 (To God Be The Glory) 💕 this was a decent live no ratch-ness and too much u know what we use to. 💕 differ perspectives 👏🏾 fam 🔥 s/o to the queen that was on that panel live.
When things going good: Im Caribean/African
When things going bad: Us Blacks need to stick together
They do it every time too
I swear it's comical
Everytime
Facts!
No seriously 😩😂🤞🏾🥰❤️
She’s complaining about African Americans being at carnival but it’s being celebrated in the country African Americans built…
Exactly
Let them tell it its a whole lot of Black Americans who attend this Carnival and that is further from the truth. In fact, most Black Americans in America have never met a Caribbean in person, much less attend their Carnival. Its an extremely small percentage of us attending their celebration and those are the Black Americans that are in close proximity to them. Theyre blowing this way out of proportion to make themselves more special than they really are
That part.
Good point...
@@tashied422as a black American via South Carolina everything you said is true ! Never met an immigrant like that before! WTF is carnival 😂, i thought she was talking about the Cruz ship
Im African and im riding with my FBA family on this one show respect they are the trendsetters !
❤
Peace!
Well we should start gate keeping America then. I'm from Louisiana and we have never said this about Mardi Gras.
Lol 😝
You do know the original of mardi gras is literally from the Caribbeans ?
@@d-onlytruth Please stop!! In New Orleans and the deep south, we have our own cultures, dialects, food, music, customs, history and no need to feel lost enough of ride off of anyone else because we are Americans. We ain't about to co-exist with a bunch of people who ran over here either.
@@d-onlytruth Wrong. You need to study American history as far as cultural practices.
The reason some Caribbean/West Indian people probably have a problem with AA at Carnival because it's a lot of hate and jealously going on shootings, sexual assault ex. We are here to have a good time. Not violence and sexual assault!
While every other word out of their mouth is African-American vernacular
Right. It is pure hypocrisy.
These people don’t even realize that they speak like a Hepcat Jive Dictionary… 😒
It isn't cause islanders influences the dialect thru hip hop.....
@@renelarock5331They appropriate and shit on us at the same time. The World emulates African American culture, then try to act like we’re dying to go to their Country to copy them
Because they live there. Who knows how long
Moving into communities where there are other people living and then actually believing you can dictate what a certain group of people can do is not only xenophobic but also settler colonialism.
You can gatekeep Caribbean culture at home, IN THE CARIBBEAN.
But in the meantime, keep your xenophobic presence AWAY from Mardi Gras and Juneteenth.
And Essence Fest. And Black Bike Week. And Afropunk. And every HBCU Homecoming. The list keeps going
The entitlement of these people, they think what's mine is mines and what's yours is mine mentality.
Facts…not to mention they are ONLY able to celebrate Carnival(In America) because of us.
"Mardi Gras" is black american culture?😂😂😂😂. It's a Christian tradition Christians practice all over the world. This amount of ignorance is crazy😅😅😅
POW!!!!💪🏾
They need to stop worrying about gatekeeping Jamaican culture. Jamaica needs all the tourism it can get You need to worry about the Chinese taking over Jamaica.
they dont gate keep shit. everybody in toronto and london steal Jamaican culture and the dont say shit. they only wanna gatekeep shit from americans
Exactly. They came here because their countries are PISS POOR. They doin all of that complaining but they not moving back to their homeland.
As an African American man, I’ll continue going to carnival
Question are you an African and if you are what nationality are you.
@@kevben706*American..hence African American.
As a Caribbean u should. Enjoy yourself
This is the first I've heard of it.
@@ra-neter6662 thank you
Saying “our spaces” in America is crazy. Put some respect of black Americans name! Wouldn’t be no space for you in brooklyn if the black Americans didn’t build it for you! Black immigrants say some wild stuff sometimes 🤌🏾.. that’s OUR space love… OUR. If you want to gate keep Caribbean culture keep it in the Caribbean and pass laws over there . Problem solved.
We are all black period we just keep forgetting that
@@Kinggamer20032
Y'all are black when convenient
@@ray1411no brother some of us have forever considered ourselves as black. There will always be black men and women who despise the black community and struggle but those people do not define us. I am an African man. Have lived here since i was 1 years old. My parents, uncles, aunts, cousins, we all call ourselves black. We are Africans but we are black. Nobody looks at us and goes “oh an African” they see our skin color. I know there are Caribbean people and Africans who talk nasty business about black Americans but do not let those fools drive your perception of us all. Many of us see you all as family.
And what about Latinos who do even worse to you. Who exclude and disrespect you while you all roll over on the ground to pls them?
My friend don't let these kids mess with your mind they don't sound like they're from the Caribbean they have no accent a person of Caribbean decent can't have any say in Caribbean culture they don't know enough to gate keep carnival is for everyone
She cosplay Black American culture, and women from head to toe. She literally speaks in Black American AAVE language.
She's speaking English and those are white people clothing yall complain too much we don't have does issues in the Caribbean those are two little girls they're no fit to speak for the whole Caribbean
No,she’s speaking so you can understand her. If she speaks in her native accent,trust me you won’t have any idea!
@harim1678
So you just agreed with what was said.
The Fake NY accent
I feel so good about delineation, i wish we have done it years ago. FBA1
Some of them have some weird audacity. Like Buddy the only reason you’re even able to celebrate Carnival(in America) is because of AA’s.
@smurf_n_wesson9064 whats your point?
@@ra-neter6662 Point is you are no one in our country....
@japhya0378 lol no one. But has the same rights as you brother. I love black americans and all africans in the diaspora. Agents of division can eat a dick
@@ra-neter6662the point is how are you trying to gatekeep a culture from people in the west or United States when you have a lot of carnivals here in the United States 💀
Maybe black Americans should keep their money 💰
Sounds good in theory but in practice that’s never gonna happen the black dollar leaves the black community faster than any other group of people.
Exactly. Their countries are poor and struggling tf
As a Nigerian-American I have a lot of love and respect for African American culture and was fortunate enough to experience both while growing up and it gave me a different perspective on things. This conversation is very nuanced but it's important, first and foremost we those in the diaspora have to realize the damage that's been done to our AA Brothers & Sisters. The CIA and FBI were clearly responsible for the destruction of the AA community, in fact I personally believe that AA community was the pilot program for a majority of the issues we see in society today on a larger scale. "They Cloned Tyrone" on Netflix alluded to the same thing. The AA community was the test run for how to destroy a community. Throughout the 60s,70,80s,& 90s they took away leaders and destroyed family values, this rippled into a generational issue. CIA & FBI essentially put the house on fire but instead of putting out the fire society turns around blames AA Black Men. That being said, now that we know the house is on fire, and who did it, the important thing is to first put out the fire, and that's done by promoting values, community, and family structure.
It's best if we in the diaspora respect and learn from each other that's what makes us human at the end of the day. We don't choose the culture we grow up in the same way you don't choose the race.
Respect! 💕 was a good live this one 🔥 like what u typed 👍🏾 💕
I blame us. At this point of history I don't blame "white people"
I appreciate your words.
@H1GHD3FF
Your not even american
@tosin5204
My dude, does it not feel weird to call yourself a nigerian-American. Yall are just nigerian. And yes the gov systematically tride to pick my people off.
these ladies talking about "coming into their spaces" and yet they LIVE IN AMAERICA. IF YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT YOUR CULTURE THEN WHY ARE YOU IN THE USA AND WHY ARE YOU TAKING UP AMERICAN SPACES IN USA. Foolishness of the mouth.
America invites ppl openly and sets up areas based on where ppl are from. They also have to get permits from Americans. So yes they can set up a cultural event and expect respect. The same way the chinese have a parade for their new years and expect respect.
@ra-neter6662 you didnt answer the question. And when you say america allows you. That means Foundational Black America allows you celebrate your little parade
@Hismana-oi4yx fba doesnt allow anything u have no say in America, ur nothing more than an acronym. LOL FBA not an official racial designation, or even an organisation. Just a group of online losers. America is literally nothing without immigrants. Most of your top 10 companies are ran and owned by immigrants. I did answer the question. You need to read again. I swear i love black americans but i hate ados and fba. You guys are disgusting and full of hate. Following nixon plan to a tee.
@@Hismana-oi4yx Exactly. It was Black Americans who advocated for them to be able to celebrate their Carnival because it wasn't gonna be allowed by you know who
@@ra-neter6662I’m Caribbean and Black American. Get out of here💀. The point is you can’t gatekeep from people who fought for you to be able to even celebrate it on this soil
I ain’t gonna lie, I see my fba family in the comments I’m proud then a muthafucka… luv yall keep ya foot on they necks. They gone respect sumthin round bih 💯💪🏾🤣🤣🤣
Yall drop the ball with this one. Yall def should of had some Fba women up there too
THIS!
For real I’ve been to that carnival in bk.. some of them carriebean dudes be rowdy as hell. It’s Brooklyn!!! But as long as anything goes wrong they’ll say it was probably an American with no proof.. we needed some Americans on this panel
It's not that deep. Caribbeans also gatekeep their carnival from Africans. They say Africans are not allowed to play Afrobeats at carnival or even attend without learning the history.
Yeah man this was hella disappointing. What’s the point of bringing up the topic and proving no pushback?
@@theeone4500I have spent all my life in my Caribbean country (never stepped foot outside of its borders) and not once have I ever heard such a sentiment from anyone. Is this some American s***?
They get to fall under the nurturing and protective umbrella of being an African American when needed or when a crime is committed but any achievements and it’s all the sudden a Caribbean win. We’re tired of holding other groups negativity without the benefits and credit of us all being on code.
Learn from past generations overly inclusive ways. Move different....no flat blackness
@@Cahluvca right! Yall see what happened to Black love brown pride once they got their numbers up.
Facts
Black America knows this and yet does nothing about it. So I don't blame them. When you see a sucker, you lick it!
Bullshit
Only if Caribbeans and Africans had this same energy for building up their own country 😂 They allowed the euros,Arabs and Asians to overthrow their influence and leadership 😂 You can’t speak on the African American experience!
if only african americans put in the same futilely placed energy they have in these comments towards building up their own communities…sigh 🤦🏾♂️
@@tonyeffik6781 Black American are in their forefathers nation. These tethers are the kids of cowards who ran.
You thought you ate with this comment? Let’s talk about African Americans destroying their communities for the rich people of other races to come in buy it out from under you and displace yall in different neighborhoods cuz yall cannot afford the rent. At least the money we getting from the Europeans, Arabs and Asians can be reinvesting into the nation what money yall getting from the people buying your communities up?
And whatever money yall do get from the people buying the community yall take that money and move somewhere else majority of the time don’t throw stones bro don’t throw stones.
Crazy
Imagine me, in Grenada, St. Lucia, Barbados, etc, doesn't matter, anywhere in the Caribbean - a Mississippian with South Carolina roots - on THEIR LAND telling them that they have to show respect for my cultural celebrations. On THEIR LAND telling them that we need to gatekeep our culture away from them. ON. THEIR. LAND. The nerve bruh. The gall. The audacity
big facts
Do y'all expect to go in the Jewish community in America to tell them to play hip hop instead of their cultural music? Y'all only have energy for other black cultures that's not American. Every culture have their own space in the USA and whites and other Americans should respect that.
Right!!! the phucn nerve of them!!!!
@sandranorton53 It's easy to tell when someone is not from our culture like you. Just telling blatant lies. We weren't raised to see you as different from us. Y'all were Black to us. We didn't know up until rather recently the vitriol that others in the diaspora had for us IN OUR COUNTRY! So don't cry crocodile tears now that we're up on game. Blame yourselves, not us
@@simply_jaybe we do see ourselves as black we're just not black American and we do have different cultures. I personally don't mind you guys joining carnival and most Caribbean people do not care. However, if a group of black Americans were to live in the Caribbean and had a hip hop event I am sure you will prefer black Americans to be the organizers of such event.
These females have no idea what there talking about
Absolutely 💯 percent approved this comment. Carnival is for everybody to enjoy. They are born in America and complaining. I was born in the USVI carribbean and American by birth. They are bat shit crazy!!!
The right term is woman and they only understand there culture they should not speak on black people unless they have enough experience but I get there points we need to all heal and talk out our problems we all do complain to much
Thank u
They're Young 🌱
Bird brains, did she say carribeans made brooklyn what it is?they forgot they just got thick here in the 90s
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Mind you im from Brooklyn..they never had a say-so
@mikejones-wn1sw riiiight like what the hell is she talking about. Brooklyn is FBA, Harlem was FBA, The Bronx and Queens as well before these immigrants started flooding here in the 70’s. You see how they’re trying to erase us FBA’s out of America lmao. Them flip flop wearing Jamaicans didn’t start to migrate into NYC up until the early 1980’s wtf is she talking about. Fucking anchor baby’s smh the nerve 💯
Meanwhile Black Americans have had their collective presence and impact on New York as a whole since the mid 1600's...
The "Mother of Brooklyn" is an FBA woman...It was also an FBA strong hold until the fled failure in their homeland. The Caribbeans don't even respect Brooklyn as authentic Caribbean culture.
They use social media and news feeds to learn about black Americans. How about picking up a book to learn about black American people and who they are? You'll be shocked.
Name some books people should read....
@@DV-lr8ec Use Google! It's that simple, you use for everything else.
lol nah. if u grow up in america u grow up learning ab AA culture & history, not carribean culture.
Black Americans- trust us we do not care to assimilate to ANYONES culture. Primarily because our culture is forever changing
They come here after ground work was laid, celebrate our leaders and freedoms and act like they don’t know how it became. The only reason you’re able to celebrate Carnival(In America) is because of us.
Straight disrespect in our elders' faces.....
@@Cahluvcahonestly they respect our people it's just they come from a culture who do not allow disrespect so they going pop off why should they change themselves to please America they have there own roots and values they just do not go away because America let's you stay here
@@Kinggamer20032You sound just as crazy as they do Plus u sound like a tether
@@Kinggamer20032 Change themselves to please America??..I’m saying they wouldn’t have a choice but to stay where they’re from and celebrate their Culture, if it wasn’t for us.
🗣️EXACTLY
Should we regret fighting for the 14th amendment and other policies that allowed foreigners to come here???
Yeap ! It was a huge mistake & it’s up to our generation to change that
Yep skinfolk ain't kinfolk.
They are Black. America didn't want Black or Indian immigrants over here. They were not allowed until 1965.
Yes. Send them back.
@@teacupt1531facts.
I wanna be the first to comment and say we don’t care. FBA life is culture and we often ignore both African and Caribbeans yet yall seem to need us to care. Afrobeats got cocky and look where they are now. Falling off. Stay in your lane and we will stay in ours.
@@MiBidnis yes that’s exactly what it is. Remix but they need something to claim as popular. Bought into their own hype and now the genre is falling off fast.
Exactly right, Caribbean culture has never been relevant in Black America. PERIOD💯
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Facts they Emulate us around the world and Caribbeans wouldn’t be able to celebrate Carnival(in America) because of us.
@@MiBidnis Even if they weren't remixing it with actual American music and song, the genre Afrobeats itself is nothing more than a derivative of black Americans music, mixed with Caribbean and African sounds. You ever wondered why Afrobeats is the ONLY African music that has a rhythm that black Americans can dance to? Africans had to learn to dance all over again when they started Afrobeats because the rhythm is not compatible to the rest of their music. Amapiano is also a mixture of mostly American music.
FBA ALL DAY!💯🫶🏿✊🏿
Fba is a cult
so clearly nobody on this podcast is black american
Right or at least a full black american
@@kevben706Eli is the only Blk American
@@amariantiquity8543 could have sworn he said he’s from a Caribbean background as well 🤔
But got all the insight on Black American Culture
Eli and Jeuu is
As a black American I can honestly say that we’re just not that into Caribbean culture. Not the food, the music, the fashion. I’m sure there are some that are but the great majority aren’t. It’s just not our thing; never has been. We have our own thing going on and we can be extremely insular ant times. And Caribbeans may not be into AA culture as well…and that’s okay. To each their own. I mean what could Caribbeans possibly like about jazz, blues, rock and roll, house, ragtime, gospel, or Michael Jackson, Marvin Gaye, Miles Davis, James Baldwin, Muhammad Ali, Prince…etc. It’s not their culture, after all.
For the chick who called herself American Guyanese, Ma'am, you are Guyanese American.
@japhya0378
They are what they claim their culture is. They attach american out of pride because to them it a sign they have officially made it. Not because it is true.
😂
Chicken curry curry chicken
Exactly
@@snuggles668😂
So basically this is the topic Tareeq Nasheed has been touching on for the past 2years i think. He’s always calling out non-FBA blacks who come to America and talk down on FBA’s
That clown is a big catalyst why Caribbean, American, and Africans can't come together and do big things!
He has AA's fooled and thinking they should hate others that look like them.
why doesn't he focus on fixing the FBA's issues? ppl dont look down on them for 0 reason at all.
That woman is wild gatekeeping the West Indies culture from Americans with an American accent SMH
🤔🤔🤔
If she were to speak her native language yall would say yall don't understand her accent and that she in America and she need to speak American
@@EnriqueRamlakhan her native language would be English 😒
@@davidmaynard5101 yes but in a different accent different pronunciation to every word and all of yall would not understand
@@EnriqueRamlakhan trust me I understand I'm west Indian 😆
1. My Black American culture doesn't come from Africa nor the Carribean,our Black American culture was created by Black Americans only,,2. We're Black Americans not African Americans. 3. Before any immigrants came to the USA my Black Americans ancestors was inventors/ inventions we have overly 50,000 inventions,my ancestors was the first doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, surgeons etc etc, and our ancestors also built the white house, USA, HBCUS and PWI's as well, so to say that my people are lazy is very disrespectful, and all of this disrespect, jealous and envious are nothing but projections to make themselves feel better, and their homelands looks like a dumpster compare to our inner cities or urban communities. It's nothing but jealousy and also white people don't make anyone think a certain way about other races of people, when you become an adult it's no excuse,y'all want to believe it because it makes y'all feel good, I just want Black Americans that's like minded to come together and that's all.... I have seen and heard so much disrespect online to want us Black Americans to unite with these people. Great convo and keep up the good work guys 👍🏾....
lol..lol. "my ancestors was the first doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, surgeons etc etc, " lol...lol and she actually believes it.
@@alexskatit4188you’re triggered cause you know it’s the truth. Black Americans were becoming modern doctors and entrepreneurs before most African counties were even recognized as independent states
Your black American ancestors were African, it took a while for an African American identity to form from the collective of slaves on plantations in the South.
The Whitney plantation records this in some way by the wall of names, hundreds of thousands of names initially African and then eventually exclusively European and Christian.
The facts remains your culture gestated from the mixture of ethnicities taken during the slave trade. It's even in your folklore even if you refuse to acknowledge it; The Uncle Remus stories etc.
@@dugebuwembo
Our ancestors never identified themselves as Africans. Africa wasn't even a name the locals of the land used lol.
@@down-b8197 Your ancestors most definitely noticed the difference between themselves and the Europeans who bought them.
Thank goodness no one was seriously gatekeeping the border or customs when they were trying to enter…🤷🏽♀️ it’s awesome that they have somewhere to reverse migrate to if the cultural exchange becomes too much for them to handle…
Show me a video of carribeans coming across that border cause all I see are Hispanics and Asians crossing. If you'd pay for cable instead of getting the signal from an old ass antenna you tend to get a better reception
Ain't Haitians carribbeans 🤔🤔@@aundrek7515
@@aundrek7515don’t matter if that’s all you see..this what we have Statistics for, so we don’t have to go by anecdotal experiences when it comes to the populace.
@@aundrek7515you might be slow..there are A LOT of people from the Caribbean and Africa coming over too. You can search that here on RUclips
Yuh talking complete bs. If that’s so why don’t y’all vaca in your own continent. But no y’all leave to coming run with us. And we don’t hate but y’all love hate on us . Have some damn manners when y’all reach we place is what we’re saying. Being naked ain’t it
This whole episode was women just complaining about the choices they freely made and then not wanting to deal with the consequences of those choices and putting the blame on the very men that they make and choose
I do agree they choose the men can't be mad if a man broke if you know he broke from the start but we as men got to be more transparent to our woman all day that's where we fail at and then they do same thing lies builds distrust and destroys a nation of children
S/O 2 Juu for speaking up for the black Americans ✊🏿🇺🇸
Facts
I tell my son who will be attending medical school soon not to pass his wealth over to another culture but to enrich his own. And I have love for all cultures. But my goal is to preserve and enrich my own. And so does he.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 more of this needs to be done.
he should be focused on getting a wife that he wont have to pass his wealth over to after a divorce. sadly we all know american's are the most likely to do it. u should be focusing on preserving and enriching yourself before your culture
@@RobinXloneexactly.
If Caribbean culture is so spectacular, why did yall leave and come to America??
To reap benefits fba made
And be american...
BBL
Drugs
Gangs
Machete
Cutlus
😂😂😂
@@MrMakemusicmikeNOBODY HAS MORE BBL’s, DRUGS AND MACHETES THAN THIRD WORLD CARIBBEAN AND LATIN AMERICA!
Idk what foreigners needed to hear this but Americans are not dying on little rafts or floating on some shit to get to your Country for your Culture and Freedoms..that goes One way.
No you're dying at the hands of white popo in Amerikkka.
You feel better now??
Fast ward to now yall American leaving America cuz of Inflation and moving to different countries
are they dying to get to your culture? or are they dying to get to the benefits of the white man's america?? yall love acting like yall built or run this country
That is wild I’m not gonna lie. Ur 1st, 2nd or even 3rd generation Caribbean that really been migrating to the US in mass numbers within the last 60ish years or so and think u can dictate how things will facilitate on this land, that’s insane to me. No animosity here just trying to wrap my head around that one. Educating ourselves go both ways it can’t be one sided.
What I'm picking up is, AA's are showing up to carnival being disrespectful.. no need for that
That’s the thing how do we even know if they r Black Americans?
@@DV-lr8ec
So we have video of them whining on cops but not BA's being disrespectful?
@@kinggee5605 if ur west indian then you know who isnt. they look act and behave different
@@RobinXloneWE DEFINITELY DONT LOOK, ACT OR SMELL LIKE YOU THIRD WORLD SAVAGES!!
This is a dumb as saying we need to gatekeep Caribbean businesses. Imagine telling non Caribbean people to not spend money and take part in a business you created. Not to mention, you are not even IN the Caribbean. So you can't tell Americans that built the country, tat they can't attend events in your country..
I peeped she was just saying don't be disrespectful when you attend
@@DV-lr8ec
They be at them carnivals twerking on cops...
I'm So glad Juu stood up for FBA'S because it's true a lot of Africans and Caribbean people do have a negative overall look and opinion about Black Americans even though we are the reason they can come to America smh
Stop complaining & advocate for tough immigration laws !! That’s how you change the narrative. We as a black American lineage must flex our political power especially on immigration
You are not the reason for anything
@@user-ce8se4zs3jwe’re the ones who rallied for the immigration act so you could be here because we used to see you as part of us because we had so much political influence at the time. be grateful.
@@user-ce8se4zs3j
According to historians the immigration act of1965 wouldn't have passed without the civil rights act.
why do yall act like ppl look down on u for no reason?? yall are bringing up the fact that u made it so they can come to america 50+ years ago. Why don't u talk about what u do for them currently? This is like parents acting like their kid shouldn't look down on them bc they birthed them 20 years ago. People dont look down on others for 0 reason at all. Who cares what u did before
Women get on here and repeat the same 💩 they hear all over the internet smh
The first question was good. I can’t say much cause I’m not from the Caribbean but had partake before . Definitely didn’t disrespect - you ask questions before you do things or how you do things
FBAs should disconnect from those not like minded when it comes to policy. Carribeans come to the 🇺🇸 for coin like otger communities. But when Americans do the same its a problem, they want to gate keep.
Same narrative in the western women are still fighting against their men.
Men get your passports go where you are wanted 🇹🇭 🇧🇷 🛫
FBA's arent even like minded with themselves. Get off the internet, most of them dont call themselves "FBA's"
@@RobinXlone you have a valid point black people are not mostly like minded. As for policing the internet good luck buddy. We all have opinions and your acceptance doesn't matter.
@@franklinwill22 policing the internet?? bro i said if u get off the internet this "fba" shit dont happen in real life.
@@RobinXlone agreed my mistake, I misunderstood. Peace and blessings.
Caribbean people didn’t start “carnival”. Also the early “Caribbeans” who participated in carnival took their African culture (BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRICAN) and made Carnival. You’re fight for something you didn’t start nor belongs to you. Since you claim to be “Caribbean” and not “African”.
That the sad part we all African everybody with dark and light skin from carribean, to Spain, to Italy all of us one true race of the same coin but we forget that
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Trinidadian people started THEIR carnival. Of ' ole mas' and " pretty mas " Yes it originated with our African ancestors, but it also incorporates East Indian and Amerindian aspects it is a fusion of culture and what makes the island .Many of the aspects prominent of carnival today have been established by trinis .We view ourselves as a whole and not separate from our ancestors while they may have layed a foundation for us it is our legacy to carry it. And it is an 'everybody ting' to participate just remember the importance of why our older generation did it that's all..
Caribbean people claim African, what are you talking about?!
@@DV-lr8ec shhhhhhiiiitttt come to Miami and tell a Haitian he African. He will fight to ass !
Clip that food argument at the end. "What the hell is chicken curry?" 😂😂😂
The Carnival tradition originated in Ancient Rome as a festival to honor the god of agriculture, Saturn. It later evolved into the pre-Lenten celebration we know today, with its roots in various European pagan traditions.
damn lol
I'm from the West Coast so I hardly ever deal with any Caribbean
Consider yourself lucky
You're not alone. Most Black Americans have never met a Caribbean in person. Its a small percentage of us in America who has
@@tashied422 ummm I never said I never met a Caribbean...that's ignorant. Reading and comprehension is fundamental
@@NothinginMind503naw that’s true ! They primarily live in either NYC or south Florida that’s it
@@NothinginMind503 Thats wonderful that you have met a Caribbean before. That still doesn't change what I said about how most Black Americans haven't because most haven't. There's nothing ignorant about that. It's just the truth.
Fantastic episode! I love this one because it's a much-needed conversation 🔥✅
As far as "gate keeping" Carnival culture by Tethers who refuse to leave America:
They need to stay out of our HBCU Homecomings, our Black Greek orgs, our Prince Hall Masons, our Marching bands, our Gangs, our dance groups, our Juneteenth & MLK Holidays, stop dressing and talking like us, stop getting fades/braids, stop doing R&B/Rap, stop playing FBA roles etc.
But Caribbeans and Africans wanna be apart of Juneteenth 😂
because we live in this country as well. Non black people see all of us as one.
If you don't want them participating in your culture. Go back to your homeland. Easy solution isn't it???
Where arebthey restricted u sound dumb. I see plenty black americans every year enjoying carnival whata the problem. Lol and i fuck with juneteenth do doubr but to say Caribbeans wanna take part like we dont already have 50 million holidays through the year 😂😂😂 lemme guess yall self hating fba. Yall realize 2/3 of these hosts arent fba right? Y r u here@MiBidnis
@@MiBidnis Tell them rappers that who claim Caribbean when it's fits the song..
And if it weren't for back Americans they wouldn't be able to come here and get money to send back home and build
The fact people are ignorant to the fact “black Americans, and the black Caribbean are the same is disturbing. You do realized we was in the same slave ships dropped of at different places?
Their mindset is definitely different from ours as FBA's
@@melvinhill6684 yall dont have a collective mindset. carribeans do.
@@RobinXlone is that why y'all fleed to what FBA'S setup, with all do respect, I've never heard of anything you guys fought for , we have never benefited from anything y'all have done, not one thing, but y'all take advantage of everything we have fought for , so you welcome !!
@@RobinXloneyall have a collective "kiss the white man's ass" mindset. That's for sure.
We not the same. Black Americans didnt swim to America. Lets start there.
I just don't understand where these narratives come from that us FBA don't value education. Caribbeans are ready for college at 16? Ok. Great. I was in a gifted program from 3rd-7th grades. Our entire publicly funded high school curriculum was college preparatory. I took AP classes from 8th-12th. Graduated #1 in my class. I was proofreading my teammates papers in college to help them pass. Graduated college with a 3.6 (3.89 in my major, 3.75 in my minor). Where do these lies come from? Where are the Caribbean HBCUs if they value education more than we do?
Your confusing your personal experience with the collective experience
You should look into it instead of basing your opinion solely on your experience.
Don't know where I'm supposed to be a singular entity. One of my friends who attended the gifted program with me but went to a different high school graduated #1 in his class as well. He's still Black to this day last I checked. And if others in the diaspora value education more than us, where are their institutions of higher learning? We've got 107
@@simply_jaybe You value education, yet you haven’t built a school. So building a school isn’t a prerequisite to valuing education is it. It’s good that you don’t feed into the narrative but it is a narrative, one that should change.
@@aundrek7515the collective experience would be the Stats. Majority of the foreigners that didn’t come here on a special school visa are not scholars. You could project for more, but in reality most fall average like everyone else. Here in NYC they drive cabs, sell batteries, Fake NBA jerseys, and bootleg CD’s…but let’s pretend like majority come here to take advantage of schooling opportunities Lol
Great show as usual, brothers and the sisters were decent too lol
Where was all this gatekeeper talk on chet hanks
These women were so focused on badmouthing Caribbean men that they just kept talking out of both sides of their mouths.
They always do, that’s why men don’t listen to them!!! They always complaining about nothing!!
They're imitating Black culture.
They’re not badmouthing Caribbean men they’re telling the truth.
We need to gate keep the states!!! Feel you need to be FBA to be on the states! Case closed
The United States Government would beg to differ on that one champ.
It’s like the lady in blue said yall not listening to understand yall listening to argue.
Right.
We love u fam! 💕 Jeuu Jeuu beans 💪🏾
The nerve of these people
If you black and not in Africa, the boat stopped and let your ancestors off too.
Great conversation 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
We’ve reached a point as a society that a large amount of cultures are going through change that the upbringing/culture we grew up with doesn’t work with the way the world moves now. Being Caribbean our roots are dug deep and haven’t been changed or questioned for generations until now and everyone thinks they have the answers. But there’s no perfect answer to fix everything just move wit love.
I feel ya if we all just have love then maybe there be less BS
Respectfully, please get guests that understand history and oppression instead of parroting stereotypes. You do not gatekeep from those you share ancestral lineage with. Furthermore black families are becoming more blended especially in areas like NY, Fl, Ga, TX. If we are going to speak at least speak from a point of understanding not pettiness. As someone with roots here in the deep south and the Carribbean, i can say something that is universally accepted. If you can't say anything good, say nothing at all. These diaspora wars are truly draining especially from people who can't afford to take part in them.
I'm Jamaican, all of my male cousins are not married. Kids but no marriage the culture shifted drastically when social media hit for sure 15 years ago.
Naw! It’s not black America fault!! Nor is it social media fault! That’s always been yall culture! Bob Marley has 20 kids 🥴🥴
Irresponsible breeding has been an issue with both cultures for decades….
Nah, bruh, Bob Marley been showed yall the missing father blueprint 😂
Yall been like that. Its beem way longer than 50 year. Carribean people come to America and get married. Giving the appearance of a home and the husband live woth his girlfriend and barely sees his kid
Don’t come to Crown Heights if you want your own parade, without us (civil rights) you wouldn’t even have a parade in America!
Not gon lie, at first I was mad because I am a black American but sis from Guyana broke it down so well, I had no choice but to respect what they are saying. I think we need to do a better job as black people in America whether they came from another country or not. It should be all love.
Idiot
In the Caribbean we dont consider someone fully Caribbean unless they born or grow there. We acknowledge their descent but they are not the same as us born and bred.
But watch said person do big things or become a celebrity then Caribbean folks left and right will claim them as one of their own. I have witnessed that many times throughout my lifetime….
@lcchill you are right. They claim celebrities for cool points but really we usually dont claim yankee children like that.
@@akil2746 yea thats why I no longer have my Caribbean flag on my car anymore and have lost all interest in my Caribbean heritage
@lcchill you have Caribbean heritage. You are just not the same as someone born and bred. That's fine too.
You might think that way but many don't. Also most of the Caribbean laws say they are still considered Caribbean and if they want to claim their citizenship they can.
They have different standards for black people because they don’t want you but if they are going to be with you they have rules. Our ancestors were hung so they can be here. Have respect for yourself.
In the Caribbean Carnival has long been a tourist gold mine for the Islands' economy.
If Carnival is being held in the United States,why are you in our Country and not in the Caribbean!?!-Go back there & celebrate in peace.
So we fight each other over pagan rituals beaten into us by our slave masters. Wow 😢
The reason why marriages in the Caribbean are dying is because men are finding out those kids aren't theirs.
😂😂
She is correct about keeping certain things private thats the only way it will stay authentic and in return it will sustain its purpose
But private from people who made it possible for you to have an advantage? Did black Americans gate keep when they wanted to come to the states??
💯💯💯 Shout out to Ju!💪🏽
Love me island sis..they have this good points 👏😀
Chileeee conversations like this make me blessed that I'm both Afro American and Jamaican 🥴🤦🏾♂️
Blessed? That's like someone saying they're blessed to be Black and White...smh
@@Soufside_Slim that's a poor comparison but okay 🤦🏾♂️😂
You not blessed & you not Black American.
We dont talk half FBA - yall are aways traitors
Many different cultures within the diaspora. I try my best to respect them all.
WS is global, so that is why we all experience the same issues. Also, the ending was great, healing from past tramua and valuing each other is the key but will take some time
I find it wild in general that non-Amercian black people will stand hard on gate keeping their culture, but will get mad and outright hostile when black Americans gate keep black American culture.
The most identical people on earth (blacks), with similar cultures (music, dance, art, sports, food, etc.) are focusing on the small differences they do have. Division, division, division. Enough is enough!
What i find amazing is how easily African Americans are triggered by this.
These chicks are disingenuous, next.
These folks say Caribbean Culture is off-limits to Black Americans. They also say Caribbean Culture is off-limits to Transwomen and gay people. So, who is left, Half of these folks who go around shaking their behinds on Eastern Parkway are not even from the Caribbean, for example, if you were born in Guyana and raised in America, But left there when you were 6 years old what would you know about Guyana? Another example, you were and born raised in America, However, your Parents were from Haiti, what would you know about Haiti?
This convo is hilarious. My family is big Haiti (Ayiti) And we were and still are hated by both so-called West Indian and AA……
how so?
Yeah, yall got it bad, since the 80s.
Dirt cookies 😂
Black Americans dont give an F about yall. Yall cant seem to stay out of Black America
Jeuu hit a solid point with foreigner taking underpaying positions from companies. This is why a lot of companies like to hire foreign people, they know they can over work and underpay them.
Caribbean culture belongs to India.
Maybe Trinidadians and Guyanese but certainly not all
@@AgentRuckus People think of indians in Guyana not the african descent people.
I mean these are a bunch of African descended people arguing over who makes the best curry🤔
No it does not real Indians do not jack indo caribbeans
@somaliagainstpanafricanism4865 like I said, Trinidad and Guyana. Neither represents the entire Caribbean. Matter of fact some would say Guyana doesn't represent the Caribbean at all
As a jamaican man living in America for over 40 yrs I’ve observed why caribbeans call Black American lazy. When Caribbeans come to America it’s because we’re looking for a better life even tho we live in paradise we don’t have the economy like America so jobs are very very scarce, if Jamaican economy was like America I wouldn’t be living in America. When we come to America we quickly establish ourselves because we’re hungry so we don’t come to play we wanna make that money quickly and plentiful so we can live good here in the US while building our dream home back in the Caribbean. So within a two to three yr period a lot of us starts a business we purchase a house etc. And when we don’t see the Black Americans doing that it gives the perception that they’re lazy or not ambitious enough but I realize that when you’re born in a country like America you can easily become complacent. Because the Caribbean is tough to survive you’ll find that they hustles more, so coming to America or Canada or England where it’s 20 times easier to hustle we’re gonna take advantage of that. To my Black American brothers and sisters I love❤ yall I have a lot of respect for yall and i thank yall for your sacrifice because that sacrifice opened a lot of doors for other blacks from all over the world. That’s why I always defend my black American family I will never put you down. Big Ups to Black Americans my kids were born in America they’re Jamericans 🇯🇲 🇺🇸
I can say you're lazy because you couldn't make it in Jamaica and you fled like a coward.
Multiple banks was sued for redlining in 2022 and 2023 also why are yall calling it hustles? Anyone can work multiple jobs our issue is we shouldn't have to... It's crazy how yall come here and think that's normal... it's not.
Lmfao mf how many cardigans have come to America and establish successful businesses stop the phucking cap becuse it wouldn’t be more than AA. The irony of mf calling us lazy when they can’t produce in their own shitty countries is crazy
You come to leech
born and raised in crown hieghts brooklyn where carribean parade is , that neighborhood is a black american neighborhood , that carribeans are sent too , we allowed them to have a parade , and now they're saying we need to be respectful or we cant organize the parade, but they can be all in our culture but dont wanna be gatekeeped but we cant gatekeep them
The character of a person isn't defined by their culture, there is trash in every country and none is perfect. You just can't escape what you attract by switching culture.
Facts
50 states in the union how many actually celebrate Carnival or any other foreign holiday??? The country on the whole doesnt care..
Exactly! I thought these 5th world primitive degenerates were talking about the Cruz ship 😂 Caribbean Carnival! But those Caribbean people only exist in SOUTH FLORIDA/NYC region outside of that ! They don’t exist!
Mostly just NYC, tristate area, DMV area.
They got some good island sis, even though I might disagree with some things,but it’s all good
Shout out to JEU for hitting them with the facts.
Nobodies Try 2 Breach Their GATES So There No Need 4 Those BRB'S🛶🚢🏝2 GATE KEEP⚔️🛡⚔️ Anything. Nobodies Lookin 2 Take or Steal their bill of Goods.😒
Kesha refuses to get on the Blackmans page the good blackmans page .. they follow Pokies then have the nerver to talk about there struggle is different from other women. Do what other women do and respect the hard working men from your culture
Exactly, they went on a media platform and disrespect the men from their culture. Says alot about these women.
And other Races and Cultures have the nerve to come here and emulate them..then virtue signal
@@smurf_n_wesson9064 They may emulate them in appearance and style but the respect of cooking cleaning and being nurturing to a man remains ....none of that arguing backtalk goes on in these other communities at the same level it does in the black community..
@@canadianbrotv1303 nor was it the case in America historically. The modern women are brainwashed and the foreigners coming here are following right behind them.
@@canadianbrotv1303 lies. Foreigners come here and complain about their Women adapting to the same Western mindset. There’s a reason those passport dudes are talking about leaving the country…not dealing with a foreigner in the Country.
First time I heard "lick off a shot from me 4-5" is reggae 😮
It all starts with a conversation w podcast 👍🏾
If a women wants to stay married she would do what it takes.
Naw, not all West Indian men are bad.
They talking trash about caribbean men because other women are looking. They should be ashamed of themselves. They just presented their fathers, brothers, and uncles in a negative light.
Yes they are
@@ra-sun124 Because it's the truth. Carribean females been doing that crap since elementary school
Funny saying all his while in America 😂😂 make it make sense?
The irony of the Title😂😂😂