Pakistan-US relationship: A double game? - UpFront
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- Earlier this month it was revealed that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) suspected its Islamabad station chief may have been poisoned by Pakistan's military intelligence service, the ISI, following the 2011 raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
While the reports have not been confirmed, some say such level of suspicion points to growing distrust between the two countries.
Those within US intelligence argue Pakistan is playing a "double game" by saying it supports the US' role in the region, while also supporting the Taliban.
Pakistani officials have denied these long-standing allegations, while others believe double games are essential because their interests do not always align with those of the US. Such distrust, however, has left many to wonder about the future of relations between the two countries.
In this week's Arena, we bring together former heads of the two countries' intelligence agencies to debate their sensitive relationship.
Michael Flynn, former Director of the US Defense Intelligence Agency under President Obama and author of, The Field of Fight: How We Can Win the Global War Against Radical Islam and Its Allies, is in debate with Asad Durrani, the former head of the ISI, and one of the main architects of Pakistan's Mujahideen policy in Afghanistan.
Editor's note: The Arena was recorded prior to the US drone strike in Pakistan that killed Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansour.
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US deserve double game because US has two faces..US is double gamer but pakistan is his daddy in double gaming😂😂🤣🤣
Haha pakistan 36 gamer ..
No 2 face i am not agree with you sorry
They are clock face.he accept in many ways everything is good for usa the way they like means if they down your house you have stick with them that real usa face
India is the USA daddy if anything 😂 not loser good for nothing I lost 4 wars Pakistan
What an idiotic way of looking at the world. Who suffers from Pakistan playing double game? MANY countries. Pakistan has been attempting to contract work for building nuclear weapons for over 30 years.
Pakistan also funds and provides a safe haven for the Taliban because they are a Pashtun majority group who they can use as an asset against border incursions from Afghanistan and as military assets for the ISI.
This simplistic thinking attempts to make the US the boogie man of EVERY situation. At the expense of the Pakistani people who find themselves abducted by the ISI and tortured in secret when they fall out of line.
Pakistan has been doing this to Journalists for a long time.
@@willt6551 cry India are dogshit
Who's watching after US withdrawal from Afghanistan?
Looks like ISI wins!
me but not because of that.
it's that traitorous insurrectionist snowflake❄️ Flynn
Well i dont think so
So how are the pakistanis feeling now, with Taliban supporting the spread of TTP?
If you breed snakes in your background, they are bound to bite you at sometime
People are jealous of Pakistan's importance in the region
We should think about the rest of Islamic Ummah, not nation states!
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
@@shoshuz1180 unification is an arab thing mate. We are ethnically different.
He has shown middle finger to USA.. WOW
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
What a nice, clear and solid reply from Gen. Durrani. I am glad to hear such a confidence in a Pakistani general
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
Nice and solid reply from Gen. Durani!
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
Yup. He didn't disappoint.
@Najib Popal dude who the heck told you that Pakistanis don't call themselves Pashtun or Afghan? I personally know a lot of Pashtuns with surname “Afghan”
Love Pakistan from Afghanistan.
Thanks for appreciation
Love you Afghanistan 🇦🇫🇵🇰🇦🇫🇵🇰🇦🇫🇵🇰
Thanks for your love love from Pakistan ❤❤❤🌹🌷🌷🌷⚘⚘🇦🇫🇦🇫🇦🇫🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰
lol your name does not suggest you are an Afghan, stop pretending to be one
Love you too
Afghanistan...." the graveyard of empires"
PAKISTAN "THE EMPIRE SLAYER".
I... Approve
Chutiyye bhikhari
Pakistan the vulture or hyena! Lives on Afghanistan!
Pakistan supplying the funeral servises
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
7:58
"TTP emerged when Pakistan foolishly started taking military action in its tribal areas" BEST Line!
8:45 that sarcastic tone of Gen Durrani
AHAA... EXACTLY
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
Soviet Union left and now US is leaving. 😜
Insha ALLAAH... But i don't think they gonna leave AFG that easily
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
@@LazyIncubuss They did. Shameful defeat.
Us and india need hundred years of experience and brainstorming to understand Pakistan's planning and strategies.
Haan bhai hamare paas dimag Kahan hai ..wo sab to tum jaise jhatmullo Ko Mila hai ..tabhi poore world se bheekh maagni padti hai..doosre ke faate me tang daalne ke bajaye apni silne me time diya hota to aaj itna ruswa na hona padta
@Joy Chakravarty
Hahaha well said. That strategy is known to all...
ډیورنډ نه منو go and continue sending ur sisters and mothers to Europe 😂😂
@@safiarsalan9422
Haha to Heera mondi
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No power on Earth can undo Pakistan
Inshaalah
@M1 India 😂 BALOCHISTAN is a part of PAKISTAN for your knowledge and It would be lovely that Indians should not care about Balochistan you just sort out the problems with PUNJAB!
Pakistan will defend not only itself but also our brother Afghanistan as we defended it from russia
Kahmir bne GA Pakistan
We are enemies not brothers. Russia was defeated by us n US aid not Pakistan. We saved u from Russia not what u r barking...
You even failed to hold ur own territory Bangladesh so how could u save us a day dreamer. Ur country sends suicide bomb attackers n kill our innocent ppl.
A day will come that Afghanistan will crash u into pieces inshollah.
Long live Afghanostan
I year later you are booting them out, please delete your comment.
Janghir Alam re gandu India se to ek war Jeet naa paaye Abhi tak Russia se Jeet liya bsdwale kabhi to sapne ke bahar niklo..saale jhute logon ki fauz hai Kargil me surrender ke video RUclips pe pade hai ,1971 surrender ke bhi video pade hai ,1965 ki bhi haare madarpillo afganistan is standing on his own tum log pashtuno Ko maarte ho..saale gandu punjabiyo ki fauz hai ..
@@prshntsingh89 app jita konsa war serf dreaming me ya movies me shame on Indian
@@user-li6fp3ge5k, OK we are impatiently waiting you.
I feel like I'm watching couples' therapy
You are beautifull ❤❤❤
🤣🤣🤣
Mahnoor Khan nailed it ⚰️😂😂
Lol girls will be girls 🤣🤣
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
Pakistan has 2400 km porous border with Afghanistan. And it is in the Pakistan's national interest to resist any foreign military occupation.
USA is begging Pakistan to help them to negotiate with Taliban...
This is ISI
Lets have a round 2 of this debate since US has pulled the plug , exactly what Gen Flynn said they wouldnt do
inshah Allah pakistan will never colapse.
Ahmed Raza
It collapsed even before its creation into 2 pieces Bangladesh n Pakistan n now is the turn of Balochistan.
Ahmed Raza انشاءاللہ
منو my goodness what a answer
Allah better know ...Pakistan is center of Islam inshallah soon gazwa hind will start and Pakistan will win
@@user-li6fp3ge5k you better worry about your own country where cows are more safer than women.
Dear anchor ALLAH says and i quote
“There is one your plan and there is one HIS plan, no doubt HE’s best planner”
I hope if you read my comment... and if i’m not wrong you’re indian or may be spy of raw...
The Anchor is pakistani
Ajmal Nazari You wish. He’s an Indian
juveman123 yes.. with Indian ethnicity/ background
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
The composed talk of Gen Durrani is worth watching. This shows the challenge to Americans that we know all your dirty games in this region. We are not ready to be sidelined this time as we were after the defeat of USSR when US left all the mess here for us to deal with. Gen Durrani very well said that no country is playing Single game, we have our own interests like America has its and we won't sacrifice our position and no body should expect Pakistan to leave the space for others.
then man up and stop taking aid from them in return of false promises, you do have china now to look after you as long as they get their way to indian ocean. However ever thought what will you do if china asked to connect your cpec with india and iran as both of them are china's biggest trade partners? what will you do then? guess its time to read that terms and condition of the deals you guys just sign.
+InversI X educate youself...it's not called aid ..it's called charges for using Pakistan's roads, infrastructure and facilities. ..which Pakistan let them use when no other country was ready but over time Pakistan has learned that our damages are more than USA imbursement so we are not ready to do it anymore. ..they need to fool someone else now..e.g. your country India
Muhammad Azwar Khan ... True Lines 🇵🇰👍 ... *Pakistan* Zindabad
InversI X .... Now its time To Pay ur Sweat and Blood for USA... 👎 ... India Is a Cheapest country in the World...
Even Indian Have No Money ... have No Toilet
InversI X we hv already invited india and iran to become part of cpec...
pakistan is great country ...........
long live pakistan...
No, it will soon collapse.
humungous09 I been hearing this from Indians for last 40 years or so
B world
It will be much more great by NATO in the future don't worry:)
If it so great why does everyone want to leave it ?
@@humungous09 dreams are free of cost
The only problem in dual games is that China is now the regional super power and a key ally (new ally) of Pakistan. So lesser dependence of Pak on US is what hurts the latter.
now it makes sense... read again
cultural salves of saudi. yall are a bunch of converts...
+Kabootar Mulla Slaves of Russia and Israel, your converts and inbreeds.
Very well said and spot on...As USA and all other countries haven't been playing double games themselves
Yeah Pakistan is handicap nation it needs money like bhikari to run its country. Where as India is coming Super power of world.💪👈
"WE ARE NOT GONNA PULL THE PLUG".
Asad Durrani right now: HA HA HA HA
This is what a civilized discussion look like where educated people talk on topics they don't agree on at all.
Dude! Watching this in 2021. Only ISI has the odacity to to talk to CIA this way.
Thanks Ex ISI Boss Finally India are no more in Afghanistan 🇵🇰✊
wat man only 10 min show should have atleast 1 hour show....
Agreed.
Its part of the show
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
ISI is very dangerous , it always plays double game with every one even with pakistan.😂😂
I as a Pakistani don't trust on Us.
WHAT THE US IS DOING IN AFGHANISTAN? WHY THEY ARE NOT ACTIVE IN IN PALESTINE TO STOP KILLING OF PALESTINIAN.
No one trust ur terror state
Thumbs up Gen. Durrani 👍🏻
Thanks Gen Dureani .
Love ❤️ from Afghanistan
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents . ,
1st time American are very saaaaaad😂.
bcz the didn,t understant how to deal with pakistan. actually US want to play game with pak. but when the felt ( on k sat haat hogya)😂😂
After US withdrawal it is we who have to live with these people."Former ISI cheif"
And after america did pull the plug, we can safely say ISI strategy towards Afghanistan was winning one
When questioned about TTP(Pakistani taliban) see how US General gave a vague statement twisting the entire story.
If Pakistan playing double game then US is playing multiple game heading towards disaster
Every country has the right to act on its foreign and national interests, including Pakistan
WHEN USA PLAYS GAME AFTER SOVIETS SO USA DESERVES DOUBLE GAME.LONG LIVE PAKISTAN.
YOUR IRON BROTHER:
CHINA.
Awesome reponses General Durani 👍🏻
Gen Assad Durrani seemed composed and so did Gen Michael Flynn. It's time we understand each other's interest in the region and work to build a relationship rather than waste our resources to undermine each other's position!
adnan sami they're both in the business of intelligence and retired soldiers. They respected each other
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
1 billion + population & non systematic distribution of resources is india's reality and herr they are telling us what we should do 😂😂
I pity indians 🤣🤣🤣😭😭
Your well distributed resources are heavenly working for your economy ...apni aukat me rah ke bolna ..jitna tumhara defense budget hai utna hum farmers Ko fertilizer subsidy dete hai ..ab has😂😂😂😂
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
No solution whatsoever on American terms.
This is my land and I have the right to choose my friends.
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
General durrani smiling face 😏 ❤️ isi dady of all agencies
Raw is not same league with ISI,only cia,mi6 and kgb are in the same level with Pakistan and Pakistan Isi are the very best and most experienced intels most able to receive real secret intelligence
The people of Pakistan are a nationalistic and proud people long live Pakistan and Pakistani military. The enemy is India - just ask the Kashmiris, Nepalis, Chinese, Sri Lankan's and Maldives as well!
Yes. Ask the Sri Lankan, why they were going to buy JF-17 and later refused to do so. Ask Sri Lankan as well as Nepalis, why the environment in Islamabad was not conducive for SAARC summit in 2016. Ask the Kashmiris, why they became the eyes and ears of Indian Army in 1965 and trapped Pakistanis salwar kammez men. Ask Chinese, why they refused to intervene in 1971 after continous begging of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto as well as three Pakistanis Generals. Maldives..............hahahahaha. Jo desh bana majahab ke naam pr, wo nationalism ki baat krta, jo 15 yrs phle tk ek country ki independence fight lad rhe the, ar achanak se ek dusre desh ki fight ladne lage. Confused Prani.
1. Sri Lanka too, decided to pull out of SAARC Summit, becoming the fifth country to pull out, citing the non-conductive situation in Islamabad. The island nation on September 30, 2016, said in a statement, "Sri Lanka condemns terrorism in all its forms and manifestations, and stresses in this regard, the need to deal with the issue of terrorism in the region in a decisive manner". Nepal, the current chair of SAARC, urged that "a conducive environment be created soon to ensure the participation of all member states in the 19th SAARC summit in line with the spirit of the SAARC charter". It also asked the member countries- "to ensure that their respective territories are not used by terrorists for cross border terrorism". India has excellent relationship with Afghanistan and Bangladesh as well (BOTH NATIONS ARE ISLAMIC COUNTRIES AT PRESENT).
2. Where were those Kashmiris in 1965 during OPERATION GIBRALTAR? Why they gave information about your incursion in Jammu and kashmir to Indian Army? We have visuals of protesters from POK and how your Army deals with them. 2nd thing is, we let them live in valley like, Gilani, Malik, etc. while the people of POK have to protest in foreign countries infront of Ambassies. Third reason is, we don't cultivate terrorist to infiltrate in POK to terrorize the people of POK because it is an Islamic culture.
3. China: Then, why your Generals were rushing to China again and again. To celebrate birthaday party during the war. Great logic. Why China and US and your other allies were rying to introduce ceasefire resolution in UNSC? US: Your best friend Nixon, why could he not intervene to protect your sovereignity? And if Bangladesh was so irrelevant, then your 93000 soldiers had to surrender to Indian Army? Why didn't they just flew to Pakistan from there?
4. Ofcourse, India was. India and Pakistan both started its journey from 1947 with relative resources compare to the population. Aid were given in accordance with the Public need. Even China received more aid from USA than Pakistan. Does it make sense? With those foreign Aid, we made present India and you made present Pakistan. Other part is, India received economical aid while most of the parts of the aid for pakistan was military aid. You progressed really well for your people.
Hahahahaha....... come out of your "PAKISTAN STUDIES" and face the reality. Recent example is UNGA meeting. Your PM spent half of the time explaining Kashmir. How many of them asked India to do something? You are begging for Kashmr since 1947. Did anything happen? We in 1971 asked for bangladesh, and in the same year Bangladesh was created. Joint-Excercised: Great, currently we are having Joint-Excercise with China. Did anything changed? Have you protested to China? Why they are having military excercise with India. Military deals: Are you mad? We spent your total military budget on just 36 Rafel fighter jets and 5 S400 batteris. Do you really think you are having military deals? Economic growth: India surpassed China in economic growth and Pakistan is talking about growth to India. Now, I got to know why are you laughing. Keep it up. Go and ask your Allah, may be he has some times for you now (although he haven't time for you ever).
Thanx....... and sorry but It was necessary. I believe in "theory of evolution" therefore i reject the whole concept of religion. I did not abuse his religion or anyone else. But I, being a human being, have every right to question to anyone who comes with a theory of my creation. though, I do belive in a supreme creator, but that does not prohibit me to so.
Diesel_Nut84 ek baar pehle bhi kaaṭ chuke hai (1971) phir kaṭ denge
Hey I have some bad news for you - the Sri Lankans are already purchasing Pakistani defense equipment, we are their 2nd largest arms supplier after China. Get your facts straight.
Pakistan is smartly dragging US in Afghanistan to get damage like USSR. ISI great job
Lmao “not going to pull the plug randomly” look who pulled the plug
Great General Durrani
"It`s not it`s not, he knows this" get tf outta our backyard!
Great responses by General Durrani!
Appreciated.Good Job ,Durani Sb
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
I never really understood the alliance between Pakistan and US in the 21st century. It just seems like a sad remnant of their cold war relations, which were honestly quite destructive when we consider their effects today.
and today in 2018 Flynn is giving *HEAD* to General Durrani ,,, hahahaha
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
every country saves his own interest. what is problem. future will prove that ISI fight the biggest 4 the generation War.
hello if u are commenting as American could u please tell me one war that u have won. go and live in ur dream.
scorcher man
They will stop killing our innocent ppl n Afghanistan when its economy hit zero, border is blocked for trade, santioned n isolated world wide.
Then Afghanistan will be a prosperous nation n they'll remain as a begger dependent on US aid.
Blackbirdz2000
Joke of the century. USSR was defeated by US aid and Afghan arms n nation not Pakistan. Pakistan failed to keep its own territory allied as it fragmented into 3 pieces. Both Kashmir n Bangladesh are friends of india n enemy of Pakistan.
You think you have future, I like you, your so funny
ډیورنډ نه منو now did us won in Afghanistan with your support , it was actually isi and mujahiddin who fought against Soviet Union we have lost our SSG soldiers too America n cia was only funding nothing else ,anyways I hate rundians like you pretending to be afgan
2016 USA General Michael Flynn: 10:15 "We will not studdenly pull the plug"
2020 USA Did suddenly pulled the plug.
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
Haha. Rightly said!
Very interesting dialogue, one that clearly highlights the factors Pakistan faces in this troubled era.
Former General Assad Durrani presented completely valid and justified points as to why the interests cannot always be aligned - which is valid for all countries in their respective interests
Thanks for that valuable insight
The bottom line is that here in this particular case we have a conflict of interest with the US policies and pursuits. Thats how Pakistan is re-aligning its policies coherent with policies of regional powers like China and Russia....tricky world of bitchy games...
dear america Fear is no policy Surrender is no option
Whoah whoah Clearly Durani nailed it .
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
Sir Gen Duranni! We love you.
Don't worry about Pakistan we are most resilient people and we are very adaptable
Double game 😁🤣🤣😂😂😂
One of the best videos of this show I think.....
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
when america used pakistan to create taliban against Russia that time pakistan was not playing double game since America suffering from Taliban from his own creation so call taliban now pakistan is playing double game .
khan baba
Haha Pakistan is suffering more...
The taliban was created by Pakistan alone. It's just that USA used you. Get used to it.
khan baba
America did not create Taliban. Pakistan created Taliban after America lost interest in Afghanistan.
Pakistan's defense policy depends on the amount of dollars it receives.
US is the double gamer himself until it met his daddy Pakistan
nice short gen...
The second you find out ISI playing double game with CIA why didn't you left them?
This how debates are done between gentlemen. Agree or disagree with each other but nobody shout at one another.
United States thinks Its interests are more important than other countries.
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5:55 international national forces will know what will happen if they try to kill the The Taliban 🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
Does any other country has such power to show eyes to USA, its only Pak.
Watching after the fall of kabul.
Respect for Gen. Durrani
Hehehe what happened now these days 😂
Blame muslim countries and thriving on arab oil is single game ??
Mehdi you should now call General Flynn and General Durani now. Time is a big factor to see who was right.
This man's words were a prophecy.
both are playing double game or multiple games
Trump.this is not afghanistan.this is pakistan all time welcome to fighting.insha allah ✌💪pakistan
Pathetic, Pakistan could not fight out of a paper bag.
yes pakistan have paper planes created by chinese companies
Amar Nadh and these paper planes gave u a historic loss
M. Malam hold world record by flying these paper planes
@gamer zzzz
And the tea was fantastic as well😁
Topic is the best 👍💯👍💯👍💯👍💯
Oh mehdi you beauty 🤣 the last comment 💃 YOU CREATED THEM🤣
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
Obvious Indian bias is obvious.
lol its pakistan and america who are speaking, think you are commenting on wrong video here
lol its pakistan and america who are speaking, think you are commenting on wrong video here
***** Obvious gay hind is obvious.
***** Not fake at all, just translate into english.
+King George Hats off to u sir for sharing the truth..
You pulled the plug in 2021
He hasn’t even got a credit card to pay. For coffee
Look at what a mess General Flynn turned out to be, and how vindicated General Durrani turned out to be. 😂🤣
one must not disregard history of near past when US left the region as soon as russians left afghanistan and told them you are on your own to deal with over 5 million refugees. i think pakistan does not trust US for may be the right reasons. Also pakistan cannot afford to have a very visible indian footprint in afghanistan (with the help of US) like its eastern border.
ISI have played Kipling great game very successfully with USA .
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents .
nice reply by durani..... its true...
hahaha....... this man is going to be NSA of the USA
ASHIRVAD SINGH okay and?
If the physical nature of an atom were solely described by classical mechanics, electrons would not orbit the nucleus, since orbiting electrons emit radiation (due to circular motion) and would eventually collide with the nucleus due to this loss of energy.
ASHIRVAD SINGH very well put
(ALSO REMEMBER) shining light on certain materials can eject electrons from the material
Oh my Gosh! You are so intelligent...... How did you get such kinds of secret info? Thanks anyway :D
Love the topic....
ISI is the competent agency. US deserves double game as US is arbitrating and killing innocents ...
Pakistan will do anything for his national interest...American presence in afg is considered threat to Pak like soviet union.... So pak will do his best to make America leave Afghanistan...
After taking its money
Mehdi Hassan come after 5 years and tell us about the double game in Afghanistan
One thing this money will not achive, this money can't force Pakistan to change its national interest. Wao
Don't ever mess with ISI.
Why they are Crying now like a baby?
Do U Guys really justify terrorism 🤣
2016
USA: "we are not gonna back out of there and just suddenly pull the plug because there's too much at stake"
Pakistan: "all the factions in Afghanistan are important to us because we have to live with them long after USA is gone"
2021
USA gone!
Pakistan living with Afghanistan peacefully.
That's exactly what Pakistan have been preparing for past 2 decades.
What was CIA station chief doing in Pakistan?
Where is TTP now?? Talibans are in bargaining position now with USA( although, they will be worst alternative of USA.), US seems to like they are living Afghanistan. Pakistan out of invasion threat. What more you expect from ISI.
Big games take time and patience and are not for weakhearted people.
Yes, Pakistan is playing a double game with the US because we have to live with our neighbours country that's why we have been playing a double game for 20 years. And we have deeply understood the US that what is really the US?