Yeah, I miss the day of Asrock Fatal1ty series. It was cheaper than the ROGs but it packed so much punch on lower budgets. Ever since DFI goes out of consumer business, I always look to asrock for amazing budget boards. Too bad Asrock these day is kinda hit or miss, their cheap boards really bad compared to MSI now.
Ive been waiting on you to review this Mobo man!! You should do a budget build guide with it and a 12100 and see how far it can punch above its weight class!! Love your vids my guy, hope all is well!!!
@@zodiacfml You need a B660 board with an external clock generator to adjust the BCLK. I would know, since i'm running my 12100F at 5GHz... A Z690 wouldn't help either, unless it has an external clock gen.
@@diavolescaCZ well i remember my board has bclk settings in the bios. another thing is, i cant change voltages. Asus prime b660m d4. what board do u have?
Still running an i7 920 @4 GHz (D0)(now with a GTX 970 since 2015) for well over 11 years now. Im upgrading end of this year, but this was the best cpu i ever had, and i have been gaming on computers since i got my Atari 1040STE and my Amiga 500... Overclocking used to be worth it , but nowadays most chips run at their sweet spot anyway, push them higher and the only thing you gain is a bigger epeen and a high power bill...
Been running a 4790k @ 4.8 for nearly a decade now. I have a sentimental attachment to it, best PC part I've ever bought, nothing has lasted half so long (I guess I've had the 5700xt since release so it's probably my second best purchase). I also have a 12600kf rig but for reasons that would lead to a rant in order to explain I won't why it's not my primary. It will be when I have some time and a bit of money on standby just in case I break something while min/maxing the two builds- due to how my main rig is built it's going to be a nightmare to swap parts around. I feel like the 12 series of Intel was their best so far, and ya the 13/14s score higher on benchmarks but they've had some major problems lately, and they are locked out of this sort of overclocking.
I like this guys vids - he has a very empathic, relaxed and focused way of explaining things - also he speaks rather slowly what makes his vids easy to understand - unlike others who try to speak 7 sentences in 10 seconds lol - really good tuber - thumbs up. 👍
12 gen intel NON K can be bclk overclocked on b660 MSI Mortar Max or b660 Asus rog strix (i forgot the models i believe they are 2 or 3) , from what Ive seen from der8auer and hardware unboxed the best results in terms of temps and performance are the 12100 , 12300 and 12400. Anyways good to see that asrock jumped on this train and delivered a cheap b660 mobo with external clock chip
@@pietrmuffei8874 is only available in Taiwan/Asia , as well as the PG Riptide, Intel won't allow it to be sold on any other market as they will lose too much $$$ on sales of Z690 mbs and K series CPUs
@@ivantsipr really? that sucks... can we buy a board like this somewhere for a reasonable price? TYC mentioned this board being $100 or something, but I can't find it below $200. For anything too far over $100, if you then factor in 21% VAT and some other extra costs, it doesn't make any sense anymore.
I wish I was back at my studio (for this point lol) could make a series of videos hitting all the points. Just still a bit limited in what hardware I have here at Japan.
@@techyescity please release a follow up to this video if they update the bios to allow raptorlake overclocking on it. that i5-13500 seems like the prime candidate
Hey Brian, so glad that you are covering the usefulness of the K variant for content creation, regardless of whether one has a discrete GPU... No one ever talks about this!
@@pietrmuffei8874 beat you to it 😂😉 already got one 💪👍. Just making a comment regarding the i7 vs i9 in this video ….. the i7 overclocked getting higher …. Sometimes much higher 1% lows vs the i9
The FPS increase does not warrant the massive power usage increase. You went from 83 watts to 102 in Apex which is a massive 23% increase in power usage while your fps went from 234 to 251 which is only a 7% increase in performance. Will you even notice such a tiny increase while playing the game ? I'm a diehard oldschool Oc'r but for gaming in the modern era Ocing does not make sense. You improve your 1% and 0.1% lows better with faster ram at lower latency or tweaking the graphics settings down a notch to give an immediate uplift in performance.
Pretty much. Running a 12900F 4.5/3.5/3.5 | -0.025v offset Reports ~ 166W in CBR23 for a Score of 254XX If I start pushing it, I can get up to 267XX - but at 190~214W cost. Not worth it. Not even close.
I'd be more interested in a 12100 scenario where the stock boost clock is even lower and there are fewer cores to spread the load. There you might actually see proper improvements in performance despite the power increase
@@jepu1742 the i3 12100 @ 5.0ghz has performance equivalent to a i5 12400, the real problem is availability, this mb is only sold on Taiwan/Asia market so if you don't live there you'll need to import it via eBay or AliExpress which are charging way more than MSRP, as an example for me the board will cost $180+ ~$20 for shipping, so $200 + $100 the i3, I can buy right now a i5 12400 + b660 motherboard for $250 , so will end up with the same performance, for $50 less and lower power consumption, so unless you live in Asia/Taiwan is not worth it.
This makes no sense. First, lowering graphic quality in a cpu boud situation wont improve you fps at all. Second, you dont see the point here. The amount of energy it consumes does not matter, the % does not matter. What matters is that it basically performs the same than the K model that is way more expensive and still draws about 4 watts less in that game.. That is the whole point... That is why they compare it to a much more expensive CPU and not just against itself.. You compare these things based on the performance per watt they provide, not the "old" vs the "OCed" version of them...that comparation is so pointless i dont get why you see it logical.
To me, the 12 series is Intels best generation so far due to the problems they're having with high end 13/14 series chips along with them locking out this kind of OCing. Got a 12600kf and it's a really great chip! Would have liked to have seen CP2077 included, it's sort of my standard since it's the newest game I play and seems like the gold standard for benching these Days.
@@johnfreeman5956 I live in sweden and that board doesnt seem to exist on the european market. Only on aliexpress. And its around 250 USD and like over 400 USD on ebay.
Old good bclk overclocking. I remember having i7 860 and bclk overclocking it to + 4ghz with breeze. No way you get increases like that nowadays without special cooling
For gaming, overclocking i5 or higher does not make a big difference unless you are running CPU intensive task. I reckon the i3 would be the most beneficial one for gaming.
Intel actually did publicize this in the run up to the release of Alder Lake in their marketing materials. Der8auer was the first guy that kind of played around with it to any large extent, but he could only find expensive Z690 boards with external clock generators I believe so the hype died down. Still he overclocked a Celeron by like 57% or so. Haven't really kept up with it since then, but it's cool if it's made its way to cheaper boards.
This is why I stuck with AMD even during C2D, etc.... The fact that there were no lock-outs for BCLK overclocking meant that I could overclock everything at once and gain massive performance gains versus multiplier overclocking. I recon the B660 is using an internal BCLK generator and the external clock-gen is just bypassing the 24Mhz (or 25Mhz) crystal and feeding maybe 2x.xMhz where X is above the reference clock. I did try with a Core2Duo and found that I got a literal 1Mhz FSB boost from 100mhz before the laptop crashed whereas the same brand and model-range of laptop but in AMD Athlon x2, I got a 40Mhz boost from 200Mhz and hit a thermal barrier instead. Because how the BCLK on the B660 versus how AMD does it, to get the true clock speed on the B660 would be to run a known 1-instruction-per-cycle and measure the cycles in the instruction counter register against 1 second to get the true CPU speed.
The first ryzen CPU I bought 2700X I paired with an X470 taichi board because of the clock gen feature. But Asrock silently removed the clock gen in later BIOS updates. Haven't bought an Asrock board again. I too miss those days of bclk OC. I had a sweet Northwood P4 running at 3.5 GHz on a simple motherboard back in the day. Even with the threat of corrupted IDE drives it was great fun.
oh that sucks, I feel you on that. I can still oc my 12th gen cpu, but intel removed it for 13th gen, not getting intel any time soon unless they bring that back. I guess they want people to buy AMD and have their cpus to be about 40-50% slower than what they could have been.
Hi Brian! I was searching reviews for this B660M Riptide and found your video, in fact your setup with the i7 12700 is exactly what I am going for so this really helps me a lot! Just a question, I read the nonKs had been having issues with 3600MHZ & above at XMP, and I saw you running at 32GB (4sticks!) 3600MHZ so I am curious to know which RAM you used to make it work as the ASROCK QVL list is very limited. Thanks
Now..I'd love to see and explore this option. Run a benchmark with the Cpu stock. See how much Voltage the cores take Try to overlock with the stock voltage fixed. If we are able to undervolt, maybe we can have more performance just with the stock voltage. So at the end, allmost same power draw +/- 10W range , more perfomance.
Great video and with so much potential. Do you think there are other boards that would do this overclocking, but nobody tries because everyone tells us only the Ks are overclockable?? I would love to see you try doing some more overclocking tests on other motherboards toe see if the manufacturers are hiding the potential benefits. Stay happy and healthy.
Exactly. Enthusiasm doesn't mean you buy the best/most expensive stuff anyway. I like to tinker with things and getting more performance or what it might be out of the stuff I got for the money I was willing to pay. I went AMD almost a decade ago because the FX chips were all unlocked.
Intel not immediately putting the kibosh on these external clockgens has gained them a lot of good will in my book. All i wanted from them was to be able to use my expensive motherboard to overclock any cpu. and now i can, even with a cheap one!
Points and benchmarks are all nice, but is this stable ? I think there has been a flood of benchmarks over on youtube lately that are simply not realistic for a daily user, not saying that this one is one of them. But my questions is , can this be used daily for both work and gaming, would it render a huge clip without crashing, can it also sustain short bursts of cpu usage and copy files over from one media source(ssd) to another (anything usb) without corrupting the data ? Great video
I'd bet a 12400f with a cheap tower cooler will go crazy on this thing, any chance we can get the numbers on that? Also, this motherboard seemingly does not exist in the west. I've looked, and this motherboard is only for sale on aliexpress for an absurd 200 dollars. Also, make sure to revisit this board in the future if 12700Ts end up on the used markets for cheap please!
I bought this board on aliexpress for 11700 rubles, it's almost 200 bucks, the package went 12000 km from Hong Kong to Russia, in our stores the board is even more expensive, I'm very happy with the purchase, overclocked the i5 12400 to 5.2 GHz, the cooler costs thermalright macho rev.b heating cpu in prime is only 60c
13th gen non k is out now and I'm wondering is it cinfirmed we can bclk oc them with this motherboard? I'll be getting a 13500 and am wondering to get this if it can or if not maybe I should just stick with a msi pro a b660m? Dyinggg to know this would be a lifesaver for me as other motherboard options here are relatively a lot more expensive
@@brokeandtired im pretty sure there won't be any Xeons for LGA 1700. All regular Core-series CPUs support ECC memory, but you need the correct motherboard for it, like a board with the W680 chipset
For what I understood, you locked the multiplier right? So the power consumption will be higher when idle or under low load, and same for temperatures, considering the frequency won’t reduce. Do you have any data on these topics?
ddr5 is a year away - you should have tried underclock and ultimate power savings while still serving a ton of pages in web server benchmark - think of smb customers - a huge mkt and they will use gpu too - having vms of 32gb ram is a nice thing, the fast threads of new parts is a good thing for both gamers and dec and sys admin
I have a i3 12100f that can go upto 5,3 maybe 5,4 ghz altho it requires a lot of voltage so im usually running it at 5,2. its amazing how fast a 4c8t cpu is, in cinebench R23 I actually got a better multicore score than a 5600x, let alone single core lol, even the overclocked 13900k is like only 7% faster.( my single core speed was about 2050 in R23)
I guess it would make even more sense with the i3 or i5 as the gains in terms of clock speed are way higher. Moreover those E-cores won't be harmful for the maximum OC.
~12:00 A lot of PC users can't be counted on to turn off the check box for extraneous bloatware to be installed alongside things they think they want. Multiple toolbars, A/V programs fighting it out, cleaners and installers they don't need...there is something to be said about having a CPU they can't go monkey with, that should perform within design parameters for performance and heat regardless if they clean dust out even one time during operational window, and more. If Ryzen hadn't come along and made available unlocking for all their CPU regardless of real world performance and reliability numbers, this type thing wouldn't see the light of day. This is a boon for those in the know or willing to do it right, and a headache when uninitiated just decide to go change things they have no understanding of then wonder why their system doesn't work.
I love your perspective on this subject and I have to agree. I think Intel will actually benefit more form allowing this in the future then what they think.
Not sure where you can buys this board in the states as i couldn't find any. Places i found are expansive...over $190+ on Aliexpress or $399 on Ebay.... but what i found on other YT channels are MSI b660 Mortar "Max" could do the same thing....that is available in the US...
Thanks for the info, Bryan! BTW, does BCLK not affect RAM speed? Overall, 12% all-round OC should give a bit more than 3-8% gain, especially given 20+% of consumption...
Yes, after selecting your bclk go to the memory menu and lower it to xmp speeds and it will be fine, the improvement will be bigger on i5 and i3 CPUs, i7 come clocked quite high already that's why you don't see a huge improvement, power consumption goes out the window when you overclock, is not linear vs performance
No E-Cores, so you might as well save cash and just use a 12400. It's a shame that the 12700 has E-Cores, but the 12600 does not. The 12600k is the lowest end to have E-cores.
I don't understand why the z690 DDR5 version of this mobo doesn't have an external clock gen!! I'm sure there's a reason, I just wish it did. I'll definitely be getting one of these when it drops if the price is right though, just to see what I can squeeze out of my 12100F.
Pretty nice Cinebench score i must say. I got 22563 on my 12700K with stock boost clocks and slight undervolt. Motherboard is MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI DDR4. With a 32GB kit of Corsair Vengenace RGB RT 3600 CL16.
@@j.p.h.8126 yes but sometimes with ram overclocks or higher xmp speeds you need more system agent voltage and on non k cpus that is locked a low value so over clocking ram or running fast xmp ram might be out of the question.
One thing you can do with using a B-Clock OC is turn off the E-Cores in BIOS to lower power consumption. Also, you can undervolt the 12700K a little along with a slight OC and save electricity
Why would you turn off the E-cores though? You'll just end up sacrificing performance. You'd be better off just clocking it slightly lower if you don't have the power headroom.
@@HazewinDog the E cores being turned on lower your performance a fair amount of the time and increas power consuption by a lot, so youre definitly better off not using them and only using the real cores when gaming, maybe when you do other stuff too its something to look at maybe.
Hey Brian I just ordered this board from aliexpress since I can't find it anywhere else for a decent price to go with my i3 12100! Just interested in trying out this combo and trying the overclock and use the new quad core out in gaming since that's mostly what I do! I already have an i9 10850k and it'll be fun to compare the performance with a higher end card! Thanks
In the US this board seems to be unobtainable. However the ASRock B660M PRO RS has an identical board layout. Unfortunately I don't imagine the overclock features are available on that board.
Amazing video! Keep it up. In my country this sells for as much as a MSI Pro B660M-A DDR4 and a Gigabyte b660 gaming x ddr4. Which of these motherboards do you recommend? I am going to pair it with a 12400f. I am leaning towards the Asrock right now with its overclocking (I already have a 280 aio if that changes things). Thank you
How can i tell if a motherboard has these features before i buy them? P-core ratio/bclk etc... Good video, i've seen der8auer testing the same thing as you are.
Also B560 has this, I have a B560 Torpedo with external Clockgen and it can do things.. trouble is a 11900F on air is an unbearable thing to cool off xD
Hello from France !! I have question, some French RUclipsrs says, we should buy asrock b760 riptide than b660 riptide (not easily accessible). What do you think ? I have a project with i3-12100f or 12400f.
Did this on the Asus B660-G mATX board that they immediately stopped making lol, but scores should be higher. I'm at 5GHZ all core and 3.75 e-core and I usually get 23500+ on R23.
bclk synced with pcie and bus is absolute nonsense, they didn't need it since skylake. I remember you could flash unlinked on some boards and get non-k i5 6400's bclks much higher than just 112.
i tried this a while back on my 9400f witht the bclkc oc and using fixed mode to boost up to 4.1 ghz i will say you need a good cooler and make sure your vrm heatsink is enough i did however under volt the cpu for more consitent performance got a better score on cinebench with the undervolt .
How's your Cinebench R23 task manager priority settings? I ask this because I'm finding your numbers for Cinebench R23 to be quite low as I can get over 21~22k with an unlocked PL 12700 on my MSI MAG Mortar B660M Wi-Fi DDR4 (no OC). I had tested a 12400 on the same rig and was getting not so great scores with default (below normal) priority, but easily got the usual 12k score after setting it to above normal priority.
Not gonna overclock 13th gen unless Intel wants to. To enable overclock on alder lake you have to stick to earlier microcode. Same as with avx512 unlock
Unless you're pushing the limits and running 100 degrees constantly, then no you won't see a single difference in the next 3 years. A mild overclock will be within the manufacturer variance so will be absolutely fine.
Not really. Depends on how you overclock, cooling, voltage, PSU quality, mobo quality etc... Generally speaking, no. If your within the limits voltage and temp wise then no.
The clocks the hardware is running on usually don‘t have a direct impact on lifespan, but voltage and temperature does. If your silicon will take stable overclocking without increasing voltage and only marginally higher temperature, the lifespan should be basically the same and within measurement errors. However, changing parameters always introduces the risk of damaging components if you don‘t know what you‘re doing. In the end, if you‘re not doing extreme overclocking and only use the hardware within spec (wattage, temperature etc.) there are protections in place and you should be quite safe.
Not if you keep your voltages at a reasonable level man. I watched a video from Debauer and he did a degradation oc test on 3 or 4 Ryzen 5600x overclockerd to 4.7 all core and 1.45 volts (which is very high voltage for daily use) he ran them without shutting them down for a few thousand hours to simulate a few years of run time and got very very little degradation on 1 out 4 CPUs, and it was still usable. People make a bigger deal about overclocking than the should and its usually people who dont know what the are talking about. If you want to O.C. or try it do some research and have fun my guy!!
Omg where can I get this? it doesn't seem to be for sale here in The Netherlands. Been waiting for a budget overclockable B660 board. I hope to get 13th gen and an A770 or so. And yes I'm probably crazy for doing so, but guess what Intel, enthusiasts are most eager to try new things, even if they're flawed. I'm super curious about it and would like to pair it with 13th gen to really see what an all-Intel gaming build could do.
Please try on this board or other cheaper that works this feature with Intel lower end and medium i3 and i5 please, cinebench as well single core and all cores please.
I have my 12400F since January in an MSI Pro B660M-A Wifi DDR4 board, 3600 CL16 and 3070Ti. I just bought a used Asrock B760M PG Riptide for ~105€, and borrowed some DDR5 ram. It runs at 5GHz with BCLK OC. Now I should either buy DDR5 ram for the Riptide and sell my DDR4 ram and motherboard, or sell the Asrock. The first one costs at least 100€ more. Does this extra 1GHz worth it? I see CPU bottleneck at GTA Online, it has a much bigger CPU demand than Story mode.
On top of that, this is what Asrock used to be. Offering something in the budget that is unique. Yeah, can agree with you on the pre 2010 vibes.
Yeah, I miss the day of Asrock Fatal1ty series. It was cheaper than the ROGs but it packed so much punch on lower budgets.
Ever since DFI goes out of consumer business, I always look to asrock for amazing budget boards.
Too bad Asrock these day is kinda hit or miss, their cheap boards really bad compared to MSI now.
@@titan_fx i only heard of horrow stories from those fatality boards...
But then again the features for cost was rediculous
4 the yt algo
Do you mean time before sh1t asus bought asrock?
They still do ! They offer exceptionally bad motherboards, no one else makes them as bad as they do :)
If you drop memory speeds, you can get a higher fsb OC , so higher than 125/6. Also a high bandwidth bus GPU helps
Ive been waiting on you to review this Mobo man!! You should do a budget build guide with it and a 12100 and see how far it can punch above its weight class!! Love your vids my guy, hope all is well!!!
All is getting better! thanks, and yeah shoving a i3-12100 into it, 4k gaming vs 12900k battle perhaps? haha.
it can't punch above its weight unless one uses a Z class motherboard. I have it with a B660, no overclocking, not even undervolting!
@@zodiacfml that's CPU dependent
@@zodiacfml You need a B660 board with an external clock generator to adjust the BCLK. I would know, since i'm running my 12100F at 5GHz...
A Z690 wouldn't help either, unless it has an external clock gen.
@@diavolescaCZ well i remember my board has bclk settings in the bios. another thing is, i cant change voltages. Asus prime b660m d4. what board do u have?
Still running an i7 920 @4 GHz (D0)(now with a GTX 970 since 2015) for well over 11 years now.
Im upgrading end of this year, but this was the best cpu i ever had, and i have been gaming on computers since i got my Atari 1040STE and my Amiga 500...
Overclocking used to be worth it , but nowadays most chips run at their sweet spot anyway, push them higher and the only thing you gain is a bigger epeen and a high power bill...
I use i5 750 @3900 with gtx 970
Not if you over clock with less voltage than stock.
Been running a 4790k @ 4.8 for nearly a decade now. I have a sentimental attachment to it, best PC part I've ever bought, nothing has lasted half so long (I guess I've had the 5700xt since release so it's probably my second best purchase). I also have a 12600kf rig but for reasons that would lead to a rant in order to explain I won't why it's not my primary. It will be when I have some time and a bit of money on standby just in case I break something while min/maxing the two builds- due to how my main rig is built it's going to be a nightmare to swap parts around. I feel like the 12 series of Intel was their best so far, and ya the 13/14s score higher on benchmarks but they've had some major problems lately, and they are locked out of this sort of overclocking.
I like this guys vids - he has a very empathic, relaxed and focused way of explaining things - also he speaks rather slowly what makes his vids easy to understand - unlike others who try to speak 7 sentences in 10 seconds lol - really good tuber - thumbs up. 👍
12 gen intel NON K can be bclk overclocked on b660 MSI Mortar Max or b660 Asus rog strix (i forgot the models i believe they are 2 or 3) , from what Ive seen from der8auer and hardware unboxed the best results in terms of temps and performance are the 12100 , 12300 and 12400. Anyways good to see that asrock jumped on this train and delivered a cheap b660 mobo with external clock chip
B660m mortar max is MIA in Europe
@@pietrmuffei8874 is only available in Taiwan/Asia , as well as the PG Riptide, Intel won't allow it to be sold on any other market as they will lose too much $$$ on sales of Z690 mbs and K series CPUs
@@ivantsipr really? that sucks... can we buy a board like this somewhere for a reasonable price? TYC mentioned this board being $100 or something, but I can't find it below $200. For anything too far over $100, if you then factor in 21% VAT and some other extra costs, it doesn't make any sense anymore.
I'd be curious to see how this 12700 config compares to an OC'd 12600k on a z690 board
I wish I was back at my studio (for this point lol) could make a series of videos hitting all the points. Just still a bit limited in what hardware I have here at Japan.
@@techyescity please release a follow up to this video if they update the bios to allow raptorlake overclocking on it. that i5-13500 seems like the prime candidate
I think we needed something like this on the enthusiast tech scene! :) Been missing the "Overclocking the i7 6700T" days lol
Hey Brian, so glad that you are covering the usefulness of the K variant for content creation, regardless of whether one has a discrete GPU... No one ever talks about this!
I personally would sacrifice 2-3% on average fps to get a much higher 1% and 0.1% lows for a much smoother gameplay z😱😇🥰👍🥳🎊
Get a high vcache chip like a 5800x3d then
@@pietrmuffei8874 beat you to it 😂😉 already got one 💪👍. Just making a comment regarding the i7 vs i9 in this video ….. the i7 overclocked getting higher …. Sometimes much higher 1% lows vs the i9
That's awesome. I got an insane deal on an i7 12700F but haven't bought the mobo yet because I haven't chosen one. Now I know what to buy.
The FPS increase does not warrant the massive power usage increase. You went from 83 watts to 102 in Apex which is a massive 23% increase in power usage while your fps went from 234 to 251 which is only a 7% increase in performance. Will you even notice such a tiny increase while playing the game ?
I'm a diehard oldschool Oc'r but for gaming in the modern era Ocing does not make sense. You improve your 1% and 0.1% lows better with faster ram at lower latency or tweaking the graphics settings down a notch to give an immediate uplift in performance.
If anything modern hardware is more about undervolting
Pretty much.
Running a 12900F 4.5/3.5/3.5 | -0.025v offset
Reports ~ 166W in CBR23 for a Score of 254XX
If I start pushing it, I can get up to 267XX - but at 190~214W cost.
Not worth it. Not even close.
I'd be more interested in a 12100 scenario where the stock boost clock is even lower and there are fewer cores to spread the load. There you might actually see proper improvements in performance despite the power increase
@@jepu1742 the i3 12100 @ 5.0ghz has performance equivalent to a i5 12400, the real problem is availability, this mb is only sold on Taiwan/Asia market so if you don't live there you'll need to import it via eBay or AliExpress which are charging way more than MSRP, as an example for me the board will cost $180+ ~$20 for shipping, so $200 + $100 the i3, I can buy right now a i5 12400 + b660 motherboard for $250 , so will end up with the same performance, for $50 less and lower power consumption, so unless you live in Asia/Taiwan is not worth it.
This makes no sense. First, lowering graphic quality in a cpu boud situation wont improve you fps at all. Second, you dont see the point here. The amount of energy it consumes does not matter, the % does not matter. What matters is that it basically performs the same than the K model that is way more expensive and still draws about 4 watts less in that game.. That is the whole point... That is why they compare it to a much more expensive CPU and not just against itself.. You compare these things based on the performance per watt they provide, not the "old" vs the "OCed" version of them...that comparation is so pointless i dont get why you see it logical.
To me, the 12 series is Intels best generation so far due to the problems they're having with high end 13/14 series chips along with them locking out this kind of OCing. Got a 12600kf and it's a really great chip! Would have liked to have seen CP2077 included, it's sort of my standard since it's the newest game I play and seems like the gold standard for benching these Days.
finally!!! i've been waiting for review of this board for ages..it seems difficult to find one outside asia as for now!
Love this setup bro. Have the b660g ASUS with the external clock gen. Playing with a 12100 at 5.1giggahurz
There's no way anyone could implement a firmware update or something else to block this? Just wondering
@@kevinmccrea1335 no need to, Intel already blocked it from been sold on other markets, is only available in Taiwan/Asia
Can't find the riptide under 200 USD? It's about 250 USD everywhere? I woundn't consider this "budget overclocking" with these prices.
Is that the B660 or Z690 chipset? The 250+ ones I'm seeing are Z690.
@@johnfreeman5956 I live in sweden and that board doesnt seem to exist on the european market. Only on aliexpress. And its around 250 USD and like over 400 USD on ebay.
@@ChrisKadaver Alright then, I'm also on the same boat tbh. I would have loved this board if it was around $120 but none is being sold where I'm from.
der8auer did make a video about this, where he also overclocked an i3 and celeron
Good Old Gamer and Hardware Unboxed did a BCLK overclock video with a MSI B660 Mortar MAX sample, running 12600 oe 12400 at 5,2 GHz.
oh yes.. that board that is nowhere to be found....
don't forget, boys, that you can additionally lower the RAM timings
Old good bclk overclocking. I remember having i7 860 and bclk overclocking it to + 4ghz with breeze. No way you get increases like that nowadays without special cooling
nice.I am waiting for g7400 and i3 12100 overcklock reviews☺
For gaming, overclocking i5 or higher does not make a big difference unless you are running CPU intensive task. I reckon the i3 would be the most beneficial one for gaming.
Intel actually did publicize this in the run up to the release of Alder Lake in their marketing materials. Der8auer was the first guy that kind of played around with it to any large extent, but he could only find expensive Z690 boards with external clock generators I believe so the hype died down. Still he overclocked a Celeron by like 57% or so. Haven't really kept up with it since then, but it's cool if it's made its way to cheaper boards.
Unfortunately not to be seen in Europe, bying it via new egg brings the price above good z690 boards
Is not available on new egg, only on eBay or AliExpress
This is why I stuck with AMD even during C2D, etc.... The fact that there were no lock-outs for BCLK overclocking meant that I could overclock everything at once and gain massive performance gains versus multiplier overclocking.
I recon the B660 is using an internal BCLK generator and the external clock-gen is just bypassing the 24Mhz (or 25Mhz) crystal and feeding maybe 2x.xMhz where X is above the reference clock.
I did try with a Core2Duo and found that I got a literal 1Mhz FSB boost from 100mhz before the laptop crashed whereas the same brand and model-range of laptop but in AMD Athlon x2, I got a 40Mhz boost from 200Mhz and hit a thermal barrier instead.
Because how the BCLK on the B660 versus how AMD does it, to get the true clock speed on the B660 would be to run a known 1-instruction-per-cycle and measure the cycles in the instruction counter register against 1 second to get the true CPU speed.
I managed to push a 2.8ghz Athlon II X2 to 3.95ghz before it finally hit a wall. BCLK/FSB overclocking is unreal on older parts.
The first ryzen CPU I bought 2700X I paired with an X470 taichi board because of the clock gen feature. But Asrock silently removed the clock gen in later BIOS updates. Haven't bought an Asrock board again. I too miss those days of bclk OC. I had a sweet Northwood P4 running at 3.5 GHz on a simple motherboard back in the day. Even with the threat of corrupted IDE drives it was great fun.
oh that sucks, I feel you on that. I can still oc my 12th gen cpu, but intel removed it for 13th gen, not getting intel any time soon unless they bring that back. I guess they want people to buy AMD and have their cpus to be about 40-50% slower than what they could have been.
Hi Brian! I was searching reviews for this B660M Riptide and found your video, in fact your setup with the i7 12700 is exactly what I am going for so this really helps me a lot! Just a question, I read the nonKs had been having issues with 3600MHZ & above at XMP, and I saw you running at 32GB (4sticks!) 3600MHZ so I am curious to know which RAM you used to make it work as the ASROCK QVL list is very limited. Thanks
Now..I'd love to see and explore this option.
Run a benchmark with the Cpu stock.
See how much Voltage the cores take
Try to overlock with the stock voltage fixed. If we are able to undervolt, maybe we can have more performance just with the stock voltage.
So at the end, allmost same power draw +/- 10W range , more perfomance.
Ta for testing these kinds of boards and BCLK OC will come back to these types of videos im sure.
Great video and with so much potential. Do you think there are other boards that would do this overclocking, but nobody tries because everyone tells us only the Ks are overclockable?? I would love to see you try doing some more overclocking tests on other motherboards toe see if the manufacturers are hiding the potential benefits. Stay happy and healthy.
I won the silicone lottery with a 5600G. so happy
Exactly. Enthusiasm doesn't mean you buy the best/most expensive stuff anyway. I like to tinker with things and getting more performance or what it might be out of the stuff I got for the money I was willing to pay.
I went AMD almost a decade ago because the FX chips were all unlocked.
brings me back to the days of the celeron 300a - Pentium 450 performance at a fraction of the cost. I even had a dual CPU 300a system - baller!
all of these overclocking videos need a long term review in my opinion to see how viable it is for the average consumer
Thank you very much for that info! I am afraid that Intel will pressure Asrock into blocking that feature in a Bios update, like they did in the past.
Intel already blocked this motherboard from been sold other than in Taiwan/Asian market
Intel should finally understand that enthusiasts are multiplicator's.
Oh and learn from AM4's longevity.
Intel not immediately putting the kibosh on these external clockgens has gained them a lot of good will in my book. All i wanted from them was to be able to use my expensive motherboard to overclock any cpu. and now i can, even with a cheap one!
Only if you live in Asia/Taiwan , Intel already block their sale on any other markets
Hey Brian, are you going to release an updated streamlined TYC Win10 iso or Win11?
Points and benchmarks are all nice, but is this stable ?
I think there has been a flood of benchmarks over on youtube lately that are simply not realistic for a daily user, not saying that this one is one of them.
But my questions is , can this be used daily for both work and gaming, would it render a huge clip without crashing, can it also sustain short bursts of cpu usage and copy files over from one media source(ssd) to another (anything usb) without corrupting the data ?
Great video
Very Nice Bro Keep It Up
I'd bet a 12400f with a cheap tower cooler will go crazy on this thing, any chance we can get the numbers on that? Also, this motherboard seemingly does not exist in the west. I've looked, and this motherboard is only for sale on aliexpress for an absurd 200 dollars. Also, make sure to revisit this board in the future if 12700Ts end up on the used markets for cheap please!
I bought this board on aliexpress for 11700 rubles, it's almost 200 bucks, the package went 12000 km from Hong Kong to Russia, in our stores the board is even more expensive, I'm very happy with the purchase, overclocked the i5 12400 to 5.2 GHz, the cooler costs thermalright macho rev.b heating cpu in prime is only 60c
13th gen non k is out now and I'm wondering is it cinfirmed we can bclk oc them with this motherboard? I'll be getting a 13500 and am wondering to get this if it can or if not maybe I should just stick with a msi pro a b660m?
Dyinggg to know this would be a lifesaver for me as other motherboard options here are relatively a lot more expensive
I'm wondering the same thing too. :/
@@GroundGame. it can't :/ already confirmed
@@haziee3108 darn
you just need to update the bios, then there will be support for the 13th generation
@@XPERT518 of course there's support for it, just no bclk overclocking
Now lets do some 12th gen Xeon magic!
Xeons get cheap AFTER server guys dump them....Right now you could buy a complete high end gaming PC with a 12th gen Xeon alone.
@@brokeandtired yes yes I know. I'm just takin the piss. :P
@@brokeandtired im pretty sure there won't be any Xeons for LGA 1700. All regular Core-series CPUs support ECC memory, but you need the correct motherboard for it, like a board with the W680 chipset
That's if Intel ever decide to release them... XD
@@johnfreeman5956 O_O you mean there's a chance they won't release any? Don't scare me like that!
Tanks for this Video
For what I understood, you locked the multiplier right? So the power consumption will be higher when idle or under low load, and same for temperatures, considering the frequency won’t reduce. Do you have any data on these topics?
I agree with you that budget OC is fair use.
ddr5 is a year away - you should have tried underclock and ultimate power savings while still serving a ton of pages in web server benchmark - think of smb customers - a huge mkt and they will use gpu too - having vms of 32gb ram is a nice thing, the fast threads of new parts is a good thing for both gamers and dec and sys admin
I have a i3 12100f that can go upto 5,3 maybe 5,4 ghz altho it requires a lot of voltage so im usually running it at 5,2.
its amazing how fast a 4c8t cpu is, in cinebench R23 I actually got a better multicore score than a 5600x, let alone single core lol, even the overclocked 13900k is like only 7% faster.( my single core speed was about 2050 in R23)
great video :)
I guess it would make even more sense with the i3 or i5 as the gains in terms of clock speed are way higher. Moreover those E-cores won't be harmful for the maximum OC.
~12:00 A lot of PC users can't be counted on to turn off the check box for extraneous bloatware to be installed alongside things they think they want. Multiple toolbars, A/V programs fighting it out, cleaners and installers they don't need...there is something to be said about having a CPU they can't go monkey with, that should perform within design parameters for performance and heat regardless if they clean dust out even one time during operational window, and more.
If Ryzen hadn't come along and made available unlocking for all their CPU regardless of real world performance and reliability numbers, this type thing wouldn't see the light of day. This is a boon for those in the know or willing to do it right, and a headache when uninitiated just decide to go change things they have no understanding of then wonder why their system doesn't work.
Test i3 12100f
Insane cpu for the money 💴
5ghz i3 would be epic
Ovecrlocking is so retro. UNDERvolting is on top now!!!
I love your perspective on this subject and I have to agree. I think Intel will actually benefit more form allowing this in the future then what they think.
Not sure where you can buys this board in the states as i couldn't find any. Places i found are expansive...over $190+ on Aliexpress or $399 on Ebay.... but what i found on other YT channels are MSI b660 Mortar "Max" could do the same thing....that is available in the US...
awsome thank you 😍✌🏻
Thanks for the info, Bryan! BTW, does BCLK not affect RAM speed? Overall, 12% all-round OC should give a bit more than 3-8% gain, especially given 20+% of consumption...
You can choose to run ram and CPU BCLK in sync or not
Yes, after selecting your bclk go to the memory menu and lower it to xmp speeds and it will be fine, the improvement will be bigger on i5 and i3 CPUs, i7 come clocked quite high already that's why you don't see a huge improvement, power consumption goes out the window when you overclock, is not linear vs performance
I had wrong cpu speed reported by Afterburner overlay, until i installed "intel extreme tuning utility"
and then it showed me the correct speeds!
Shame that the B660M Riptide is nowhere to be found in stock in Europe
get the Asrock h670m pro RS instead !!!
I don't think they're available in the US; I found one for $399 on ebay from China.
To bad its not in Europe! Great video, this is enthusiasm back in OC.
My man
Possible to do similar kind of video when Raptor Lake arrives?
Heck! I'd love to see this done with the 12600 as well!!
No E-Cores, so you might as well save cash and just use a 12400. It's a shame that the 12700 has E-Cores, but the 12600 does not. The 12600k is the lowest end to have E-cores.
I don't understand why the z690 DDR5 version of this mobo doesn't have an external clock gen!! I'm sure there's a reason, I just wish it did. I'll definitely be getting one of these when it drops if the price is right though, just to see what I can squeeze out of my 12100F.
Pretty nice Cinebench score i must say. I got 22563 on my 12700K with stock boost clocks and slight undervolt.
Motherboard is MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI DDR4. With a 32GB kit of Corsair Vengenace RGB RT 3600 CL16.
But you are running at stock 4.7ghz.
@@killerrf Exactly but then again my parts cost like 150-200 dollars more or so.
@@j.p.h.8126 yes but sometimes with ram overclocks or higher xmp speeds you need more system agent voltage and on non k cpus that is locked a low value so over clocking ram or running fast xmp ram might be out of the question.
One thing you can do with using a B-Clock OC is turn off the E-Cores in BIOS to lower power consumption. Also, you can undervolt the 12700K a little along with a slight OC and save electricity
Why would you turn off the E-cores though? You'll just end up sacrificing performance. You'd be better off just clocking it slightly lower if you don't have the power headroom.
@@HazewinDog the E cores being turned on lower your performance a fair amount of the time and increas power consuption by a lot, so youre definitly better off not using them and only using the real cores when gaming, maybe when you do other stuff too its something to look at maybe.
Hey Brian I just ordered this board from aliexpress since I can't find it anywhere else for a decent price to go with my i3 12100! Just interested in trying out this combo and trying the overclock and use the new quad core out in gaming since that's mostly what I do! I already have an i9 10850k and it'll be fun to compare the performance with a higher end card! Thanks
In the US this board seems to be unobtainable. However the ASRock B660M PRO RS has an identical board layout. Unfortunately I don't imagine the overclock features are available on that board.
Same in europe. Seems the only place they are really being sold is in Asia..
In the US you can get the MSI B660m Mortar MAX that can overclock (only the MAX version) but costs about $200 which defeats the purpose
Are you just visiting there or did you fully move? I'm sure he was beyond excited to see you.
Brian can you make a how to ? For beginners ty . And plz include boards such as h670
It seems it's price around entry level Z690 motherboards here in the UK. Seems rather redundant at that price point.
Amazing video! Keep it up.
In my country this sells for as much as a MSI Pro B660M-A DDR4 and a Gigabyte b660 gaming x ddr4. Which of these motherboards do you recommend? I am going to pair it with a 12400f.
I am leaning towards the Asrock right now with its overclocking (I already have a 280 aio if that changes things). Thank you
Well if you wanna overclock is the riptide or the MSI mortar MAX cause those 2 are the only ones that can overclock
How can i tell if a motherboard has these features before i buy them? P-core ratio/bclk etc... Good video, i've seen der8auer testing the same thing as you are.
Great video although I would have liked to see how an OC 12900k compares to this.
OC 12900k with ddr5 will smoke this ...
I wonder if they will ever bring this board to market in the US? It's not available just like the similar MSI Mortar Max B660m
Would love to see a itx mobo with the same b clock gen.
Alderlake for the win!
Also B560 has this, I have a B560 Torpedo with external Clockgen and it can do things.. trouble is a 11900F on air is an unbearable thing to cool off xD
I've got my 12400 running 5.2Ghz all-core, scoring 2032 Cinebench R23 single core beating the 7950x3d
Will the B660 be missing any must have features on upcoming H770 B760 boards for the 13th gen?
Hello from France !!
I have question, some French RUclipsrs says, we should buy asrock b760 riptide than b660 riptide (not easily accessible).
What do you think ?
I have a project with i3-12100f or 12400f.
This would be great if the motherboards that support bclk weren’t so hard to come by
Do you think it would be smart to buy a older HEDT CPU's like a i7 6950x, Or would it be better to go with a more modern midrange, like a i5 12400?
12400 + asrock b660m pg riptide
Did this on the Asus B660-G mATX board that they immediately stopped making lol, but scores should be higher. I'm at 5GHZ all core and 3.75 e-core and I usually get 23500+ on R23.
bclk synced with pcie and bus is absolute nonsense, they didn't need it since skylake. I remember you could flash unlinked on some boards and get non-k i5 6400's bclks much higher than just 112.
i tried this a while back on my 9400f witht the bclkc oc and using fixed mode to boost up to 4.1 ghz i will say you need a good cooler and make sure your vrm heatsink is enough i did however under volt the cpu for more consitent performance got a better score on cinebench with the undervolt .
B660 will support 13th gen Raptor lake right?
P.S and Tech woah you got your hands on an MSI Sea Hawk that's a bit rare, is there a story behind it?
What about a i9 12900? Can you Tell me the exact amount of everything I should change the default Numbers to?
How's your Cinebench R23 task manager priority settings?
I ask this because I'm finding your numbers for Cinebench R23 to be quite low as I can get over 21~22k with an unlocked PL 12700 on my MSI MAG Mortar B660M Wi-Fi DDR4 (no OC).
I had tested a 12400 on the same rig and was getting not so great scores with default (below normal) priority, but easily got the usual 12k score after setting it to above normal priority.
Not gonna overclock 13th gen unless Intel wants to. To enable overclock on alder lake you have to stick to earlier microcode. Same as with avx512 unlock
Do we know when this is coming to America? Can't seem to find them anywhere.
does overclocking reduce the lifespan of your hardware? (serious question)
Unless you're pushing the limits and running 100 degrees constantly, then no you won't see a single difference in the next 3 years. A mild overclock will be within the manufacturer variance so will be absolutely fine.
Not really. Depends on how you overclock, cooling, voltage, PSU quality, mobo quality etc... Generally speaking, no. If your within the limits voltage and temp wise then no.
The clocks the hardware is running on usually don‘t have a direct impact on lifespan, but voltage and temperature does. If your silicon will take stable overclocking without increasing voltage and only marginally higher temperature, the lifespan should be basically the same and within measurement errors. However, changing parameters always introduces the risk of damaging components if you don‘t know what you‘re doing.
In the end, if you‘re not doing extreme overclocking and only use the hardware within spec (wattage, temperature etc.) there are protections in place and you should be quite safe.
Not if you keep your voltages at a reasonable level man. I watched a video from Debauer and he did a degradation oc test on 3 or 4 Ryzen 5600x overclockerd to 4.7 all core and 1.45 volts (which is very high voltage for daily use) he ran them without shutting them down for a few thousand hours to simulate a few years of run time and got very very little degradation on 1 out 4 CPUs, and it was still usable. People make a bigger deal about overclocking than the should and its usually people who dont know what the are talking about. If you want to O.C. or try it do some research and have fun my guy!!
Thank you, everyone!
But what about long term or Vrm temps or power delivery? Can it burn down the board?
Omg where can I get this? it doesn't seem to be for sale here in The Netherlands.
Been waiting for a budget overclockable B660 board. I hope to get 13th gen and an A770 or so. And yes I'm probably crazy for doing so, but guess what Intel, enthusiasts are most eager to try new things, even if they're flawed. I'm super curious about it and would like to pair it with 13th gen to really see what an all-Intel gaming build could do.
I'm affraid intel motherboard H & B Series its like H410 & B460 (only support 10th gen only) Short lifespan. Will wait AM5 mobo for better lifespan 😅
the good 1% lows likely come from unreal engine building up shader cache upon multiple runs.
Isnt MSI bringing out one of these boards too that lets you overclock the non k intel 12thgen processors?
Please try on this board or other cheaper that works this feature with Intel lower end and medium i3 and i5 please, cinebench as well single core and all cores please.
I have my 12400F since January in an MSI Pro B660M-A Wifi DDR4 board, 3600 CL16 and 3070Ti.
I just bought a used Asrock B760M PG Riptide for ~105€, and borrowed some DDR5 ram. It runs at 5GHz with BCLK OC.
Now I should either buy DDR5 ram for the Riptide and sell my DDR4 ram and motherboard, or sell the Asrock. The first one costs at least 100€ more. Does this extra 1GHz worth it? I see CPU bottleneck at GTA Online, it has a much bigger CPU demand than Story mode.