DEBATING AN EXERCISE SCIENTISTS, #2 | Fouad Abiad, Mike Israetel, Iain Valliere & Seth Feroce |
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- DEBATING AN EXERCISE SCIENTISTS, PART 2 | Fouad Abiad, Mike Israetel, Iain Valliere & Seth Feroce
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00:59 - Intro, Seth's house, bachelors, Iains hair
10:55 - having kids
16:00 - Form debate
47:07 - Iain's history & coaching
54:43 - Mike's coach, diet debate.
1:29:27 - Mike's gear.
1:38:07 - Detroit Pro / Arnold Brazil
2:33:30 - Movie ratings.
2:55:08 - Questions. 
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Thank you for putting this together! Big Dr Mike & Seth fan! Fouad always does a great job leading & moderating
3 hour podcast with Seth and Mike 🙏🏻 🙏🏻🙏🏻
💯💯💯💯
This is even better than when Jordan Peterson interview Cbum 🙌
MOAR
God is good
This was FUCKIN AWESOME
Ian speaking to Fouad "N..No you're going to listen." 1:04:14
I'm DEAD. That was golden. All Love ❤
Kinda rude aren’t I
I’d say 23% this episode.
just like siblings lmao, it's the best
Oh man, that was too funny. Love that they have that type of relationship though.
I love how much Seth is enjoying it too.
Wesley Vissers just did an interview where he was basically saying he does Mike's style of training, even using the same terminology used at RP, without directly mentioning Mike, and he attributed this to his success at winning recent Arnolds.
Nick's physique changed dramatically recently, and he attributed that to adopting RP style training too.
It seems a lot of top pros are adopting similar style of training that Mike is preaching and saying they're better off for it.
I mean there has been that type of training before Mike. There is a reason why they did not mention Mike because that style has been around
Wesley is training Jordan Peters style but with RIR 1 in compounds and RIR 0 in isolation movements, he doesn't program his mesocycles as Mike either. Mike went to RIR3 in week 1, RIR2 in week 2, RIR1 in week 3 and RIR0 in week 4, then deload, that's literally his method, which neither Nick nor Wesley do. In regards to Nick, the only thing he changed was staying leaner in the offseason, using less PEDs and using full range of motion, that's it.
They don’t eat like him though 😂
@@maenlest17 to put this in perspective less probably means something like lower the tren about a 100 mg and up the masteron instead another 400 mg or so 😂
How come Wessley give him his props then? Also Nick and Jared Feather both have torn hamstrings 🤷🏼♂️
This is the crossover we've all been waiting for 🙏
Just missing Mike.
@@kevbeaudry276Aw, shoot. I think Mike and Dr. Mike were on the last one together, so at least there was that!
Better than the avengers
Dr. Mike is the man lol
Yooooo 3 hour bro chat?! Fouad blessing us this time around, appreciate you Hoss🙌
Fouad not far from half a million, hopefully we will see Ronnie joining the podcast he's very active on RUclips.
Yeah buddy, time to get geeked!!!
ain't nothing but.a peanut
jay cutler and ronnie coleman in one episode will be dope
Micronutrient content, fiber, digestion, food volume, blood glucose management, length of time amino acids are available for use. Food sources absolutely matter
ABSOLUTELY! Amen
I cant believe no one mentioned micronutrients during that debate
100% anyone with a brain knows this.and also knows there is always a more optimal way of doing something... to say none of those things matter is hilarious..
I can't either im surprised they said nothing about micro nutrients...
When is your pro debut?
Dr Mike is back! I absolutely love it! Thank you Fouad for the great content as always!
You love the poor application or science and bad information?
He’s not a doctor
@@StanImali tought i m the only who did not like one thing he said.
@@user-ov6lg3rv8nyes he is?
Seth just raising his hand in the middle of the conversation like a kid in class super excited. LOL LOVE IT
Really needed this one today bros. Thank you for coming through good vibes
Thank you for this pod Fouad. Having a hard week at work, just started a new job. Listening while training and in my evening free time. Thanks a lot man.
Long Live The Hoss !!
This is probably the best RBP lineup I’ve seen!! Or at least, my favourite!
Hey @FoudAbiad and team. I am a Harvard PhD candidate biochemist and on the discussion of a calorie is a calorie… of course it is. By definition calorie is the thermal energy required to raise 1gram of liquid water 1 degree Celsius. So no matter what you do a calorie is a calorie. However,you have an argument for Whole Foods being arguably more optimal, but you are just probing the wrong questions. You should focus more on micronutrient differences and problems with contamination with microplastics. And differences in food volume and hunger signaling with in intestinal cells. Hope this helps.
I'm billionaire
Im a stripper
@@ryanziolkowski6743 Do you shop on TEMU?
I disagree, I invented electricity and own an air fryer and I think that a calorie from dog shit raises a degree of water by 1.5 due to thermonuclear calibration. Explain that compared to a protein bar
I'm an astronaut
Lol this episode is what’s hard to explain like to my wife.
The “boys” group chat can get so heated over the dumbest shit.. arguing.. then like someone will send a random meme or switch the topic and everyone is laughing. She doesn’t get it, but it’s almost daily occurrence lol
😂😂
Right? This is just how a majority of conversation between men go. Banter and laughs and thats it.
Shes a chick, dude!
Mike and Seth in one Podcast what a time to be alive 🙏🔥
Great show guys Very informative
Seth and Dr Mike in the same episode? I'm fucking here for this one!
Overall really great discussion and podcast. Thank you fellas!
Great podcast. Really loved this episode
A 3 hour podcast 😯😵
This must be an hour and a half of Iain vs Mike vs Fouad brawl 🤣
Haha never
I’ve been refreshing Fouad’s page for 2 days straight now anticipating the upload, I speak for all the bros when I say THANK YOU!!
Great listening to you guys today!
The pod was awesome bro ! Good to see y’all man
I’m glad Fuad said to Mike about being so specific with training and then touched on why Mike wasn’t trying to optimize his nutrition micro nutrients the same as his philosophy on training! Great podcast!
Exactly the guy is like pfizer trying to say Oxycontin is not addictive
Because he's too arrogant. He's sitting there in a group of 4 and he is the only one who isn't a professional bb'er, and he's trying to argue the toss about protein bars and cereals. We all know that no great/very good/good bb'er got anywhere with such a Diet. Mike is lazy on the diet front, and doesn't train to failure either, then looks like shit when he completes. I wonder why? 😂😂
@@RBC0405agreed! The only none pro, and unlike Hany doesn’t have anyone in his roster that’s making significant progress….but he thinks he knows better and that’s why he’s not progressing… I don’t understand why people blindly listen to him. He claimed “research says” without ever bringing up the research, it’s all BS and/or miss application of the science bc he either doesn’t understand it or decide to ignore it for his purpose
@@StanImal very well said my man
Exactly, agreed with Fouad!
I noticed that my growth happens through full range of motion (slower in the downward direction), mind-muscle connection, and squeezing at the top. I had never done this for years! I am so thankful to all these podcasts from Pros!
Loved Seth taking about kids and Fouads injection of the different ways you have to parent. I have 3 and 3 step kids, 2 grandkids, and its crazy how different siblings can be. Love every podcast, always a must watch
this is the episode i been waiting for fr
Key takeaways - always full range of motion except for when full range of motion doesn’t make sense, and always if it fits your macros except for when if it fits your macros doesn’t make sense. 😅
😅😅
Key takeaways:
No one knows anything and science is bullshit
🤪🤪🤪 perfectly summed up
This was an amazing educational podcast. Loved this one!
Super interesting episode, thanks and hope you keep bringing Mike on!
The perfect bro chat cast! Keep these 4 guys together more!!
So do everything u possible can during a lift to get better results but then go home and slam protein bars???
Didn’t Hunter Labrada quite literally live off of just protein shakes for a very extended period of time? Is he not also a top 10 Olympian? It’s very blatantly clear that Fouad can't be wrong. I love bro chat, but Fouad changes the original argument and then aggressively tries to find common ground. He is the KING of the straw man argument. Training theory is not apples-to-apples with nutrition, nor does being a pro give you qualifications to speak on every topic. Whole food has more micronutrients. Micronutrients do not build muscle. Protein & enough calories do.
He also switched off of it because he was having issues digestively and has made incredible progress since.
Chicken or the egg 💁🏼♂️
So do you want to watch a show where everyone just agrees with each other? He does this to form a discussion.
Not just protein shakes. Hunter was blending his meals and ended up with gut issues. He just spoke about it on the most recent Cutler cast episode.
🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ he was drinking shakes not eating protein bars! Big difference here! And 2, he stopped doing it because that clearly didn’t work as well! Macro nutrients in a process bar are crap, go eat McDonald’s then if it’s just as good… micronutrients don’t directly build muscle but see how your body works if your missing micronutrients
You're actually making fouads point because Hunter made better progress after giving up the liquid diet. Hunter himself admits it, and he's never looked bigger or better
Love these kind of podcasts
Finally Mike and Seth together, a long awaited collab.
A great podcast, im half way in. Had me on the edge of the seat on protein bar discussion.
Loved all the knowledge and information....its always highly informative when there's Dr.Mike on😄
I lost it at the "Batman is risen"🤣
No matter what the podcast format or questions sent it in. A few times a year it’s always ends up in a who was the best ever conversation and it’s awesome.
Loved this Fouad! Amazing episode!!
This was f***ing awesome need to do another in a few months
More 3 hour long podcasts needed 🫶
I literally just watch these pod all the way through my school days
Hell yeah, just was thinking this morning if there would be some new Brochat in the near future. Thank tou boys 🤜🤛
Between work, yard work, and meal prep. That was a solid podcast guys!
Great episode, as always, guys!
Loooove having Mike, Seth on the podcast! Such great info and perspectives. I love that Mike looks like he has to consciously think about blinking. I couldn’t help but watch him with his blank stare and emphasized blinking 😂😂❤
These friendly debate episodes are amazing
This was an amazing podcast, i really liked it
Really enjoyed this one! Good job guys, lots of imformative shit and a good laugh!
Love this podcast! Great laughs with that crazy Mike and some serious chats! Good shit Fouad! 🙏🏻
Smiles the whole three hours. This podcast makes me as positive as Seth.Thank you, Bros!😄
This is a great show thanks !!!!!
There is no better way to start my day than listening this podcast while I’m working 😉
Conversations with Mike are the best! Looking forward to more.
I dislocated my shoulder multiple times from rugby and other things. Had a torn rotator cuff for ages and avoided training chest and shoulders properly due to all the videos saying they are bad for shoulders. It made my shoulder much worse. When I started lifting full ROM and getting heavy, my shoulder recovered much better and never had an issue again. I've never felt the shoulder does extra work at the bottom of a bench press, if anything its always felt like the load shifts even harder onto the chest.
Did have surgery done ? Or full rommed away
@@djbravo8124 because my shoulder always went back in, I was too scared to go hospitals as I hate them lol. I got a contrast MRI done after 8 years and they said my one cuff (supraspinatus) was hanging on by threads. Surgeon said the muscle quality might be bad, so pulling it down and attaching it may lead to it all fraying. He advised to just build the shoulder up as strong as possible so all the surrounding muscles compensate. It's worked perfect so far and my tiny ass shoulders are literally 3x bigger than a year ago due to not training them properly for ages
If you’re aggressively going for extra range of motion on a bench press it’s going to be the shoulder that’s going to initiate the lift. Like the bottom of a squat the leverage of the quad won’t get you up, it’s going to be your glutes, so if you want to keep the tension on the chest or the quad, you shouldn’t exaggerate the range of motion
@@StanImal always slow and controlled!
Brilliant guys loved it
Fantastic podcast.
Thanks Fouad and Co.
Great to see Mike on the podcast
i took a lot from this episode with the chest training. Ive had injuries in the front delt/chest area and have been so cautious about going deeper even in machine. So understanding to ease back into the bigger stretch and knocking some weight off to do so was very beneficial
Been watching the podcast since 2020 and holy shit this episode tops them all
Mike is so sure about his diet protocol yet he’s never been in shape on stage.
Why does he not post his stage shots?
Posted his whole prep then totally ghosted and acted like he never stepped on stage.
It’s great being so smart but he’s yet to translate to getting in shape.
More action less talk.
Being smart doesn’t mean you have the mental to stick to a diet
Great debate, helped me to kill time in a 9 to 5 while really enjoying it, ty
There are reasons why protein bars are not good for prep
1. Sugar alcohols can cause bloating
2. They are not as filling as a whole food meal
That's it. It isn't empty calories because it has high quality protein.
100% if you’re experience extreme hunger or bloating then switching to whole food or foods you know sit well and satiate you better is best. I’m assuming in mikes case it’s not causing him bloating and he is fine with his level of hunger.
Often it’s the sweeteners that mess up the stomach
@@i27v1doesn’t cause him bloating? He looks bloated all the time! Should cut the protein bars for real and reassess
@@i27v1he looks bloated all the time
@@dakotabernhardt12its may just be his shape
I 1000% agree with fouad. Ian and seth were kinda hanging on mikes nuts here. I’m a huge fan of Seth I’ve been buying AAR gear since his first drop and watch all his videos. In his video “you are what you eat” he specifically says clean food isn’t to be replaced with junk do to its vitamin and nutrient content. I do like mikes view on a lot of topics but optimal is optimal. Any pro bodybuilder knows that .001 percent better over long term will eventually add up to 1% better over time and that could be the difference between cracking the top 5 or possibly sliding into the #1 spot.. Regardless it was another great episode. 💪💪
Science > Bro Science
Patrick Tuor would actually be the ideal person to discuss food choices with mike. He is very detailed to that topic from what i have heard
We definitely need to have Patrick in sometime. Miss him
Yeah… “Tuor is known for pushing gear”… 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ i don’t know why but it seems like everything Mike says is grossly wrong… what’s his agenda? Another npc competitor who is going to blame not turning pro bc he didn’t want to push the gear where it “needed” to be?! 🤷🏼♂️ as a scientist, he should know that more gear is not better but hey “I’m an exercise scientist, but ignore science”, should exercise more and “science” less maybe 🤷🏼♂️
@@StanImalI was also surprised when he chatted shit about Patrick saying that he’s pushing gear, and then the protein bars argument😅😅
I mean, how can he even compare himself to Patrick, the guy is a genius. He turns guys with mediocre physiques into elite bodybuilders.
I genuinely thought mike was sarcastic or high (which I think he was), but to be so adamant and say that protein bars are the same as food…
I think it’s all the fame and popularity that went into his head. Besides a solid RUclips channel, the guy haven’t accomplished anything in the bodybuilding world.
@@user-yc6zk4ty9v yeah he clearly doesn’t know what he’s talking about but still talks like he’s the authority in the matter and all that with a very condescending tone meanwhile he’s the only one on the podcast who hasn’t accomplished anything in bodybuilding 🤷🏼♂️ really strange
3:14hr long we get it Fouad you like PIE 🍕
All the talk of action and martial arts films. The Raid 1 + 2 never gets love.
You have assembled the greatest personalities imaginable for this podcast.
I just broke my rib and can’t go to the gym for like 2 months. Really fucking depressed ngl idk how I’m gonna make it. This pod made my day a little better. Thanks guys 🔥
3 hours...or 6 effortless 30 minute cardio seshes..Time flys when you're having fun..Kudos 🙏❤
This is a blessing 🙏
Can’t wait for the “ DONT BOTHER ME IM TRAINING ON MUSHROOMS” t shirt or the new hosstile “mushroom training club” 🔥
This my favorite podcast crew ever😂😂
Quality podcast quality guests
Been refreshing every 15 minutes for the last 2 hours 😂
Just love Seth being on regularly
I love the borderline hostile but still respectful disagreement, such good discussion
"And keep us from doing dumb stuff"… Shrooms in 10 days 😂😂
Hands down the best Bro Chat yet!!
what about the Preservatives in all that processed food????
I wish someone brought up hunter during the debate. Why did hunter switch from all whey shakes to whole foods and then have a good response.
The debate was elite level bodybuilding and that was the prime example bars or shakes or whatever else other than the Whole Foods doesn’t work as well 😊
Anyone with a brain knows this... lol,
Can’t wait to see those workouts… 🔥🔥🔥
The news of Sam Sulek working out at RP is something I’ve been waiting for, for ages
Dr Mike is back love it, great chat as always guys
Lol, Mike's winking at everyone...
Holy fk one of the best episodes I have ever witnessed lol love this combination of guys absolutely fkn epic
Man on fire did not suck. One of the best movies ever made…
“Her life, for your life”
Dope shit
Def doesn’t suck, but top 10 ALL TIME action movies?
@@i27v1 nah you are right. I’d actually classify it more as a drama. Still for me I’d put it in top ten movies of any genre
I’m the sheep that got lost, madre
@@i27v1trumps American Ninja!
Had the chance to meet Paul in Detroit at Halftime of the March Madness Sweet Sixteen. Such an unexpected and great surprise. Super down to earth and great hoops discussion with his cousin and him on top of training talk.
After my boilers got the win I had to gift him my hat. It’s clean I promise lol.
Thanks for all the great content long time viewer- first time commenter 💪🏻
I like Mike training philosophy but when it come to nutrition I think his approcah is lazy and is thinking really oversimplified. Even if a gram of protein from shit food is the same gram of protein as whole food, the body response will be totally different and there is tons of studies on how process food impact the body response in regard to managing blood sugar and insulin response that can be a huge factor in overall health and longevity also as energy metabolism, insulin sensitivity, hunger and satiety response, inflammation, and hormones that can all affect the way you feel and look. Also food is more than macronutriments, the micronutriments is as important as the macros, the type of carbs will also have a difference and a will be prefered for a situation vs another. Having the right amount of soluble vs insoluble fiber will be important in regard to gut health and satiety. And we know that gut health is everything, if your gut is fucked, everything else will be fucked (loosing fat, gaining muscle, your recovery, your appetite etc...) Gut health and chronic inflammation are probably the 2 things that impact the most your health and progress. I think what Fouad meant when he talked about empty calories is the lack of micronutriments in those foods. Anyway love the podcast and have a great day guys!
Super well said 👏
THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE. fucks sake. Mike really tends to ride that science shit too much.
Dude, Mike knows this, look at the podcast he did with Thomas DeLauer recently
@@MHMHMHMHMHMHMHMHdoes he?? Clearly seem to have forgotten if that’s the case
@@import702amen !
So fucking hyped for the upcoming mushroom training content
3 hour podcast!?! Lets go!!
F'n epic episode 🙌🏼
Nice hoodie Fouad. Got my Hosstile hoodie on today as well. 💪
Solid 3 hours... I watched it in 2 parts.
It's such a strange paradigm - We as listeners/viewers feel like we know you all SO well, and you don't know us. That must be weird when you meet people in public and they know things and can just 'rip' on you like pals... lol
Love you guys. Had me cracking up 😂. Love seeing people being able to debate topics. It's rare these days. I'll take steak over protein bar any day to get the micronutrients. Each to their own.
Best BRO CHAT in last 1-2yrs!!👍
It was focused on BBing/muscle hypertrophy.. Tough debates on training (diet +\- PEDs) is the 1 thing Pros are uniquely experienced on to discuss & ideally come to conclusions on. I’m sure Fouad or whomever handles reading these is already feeling the overwhelming POS feedback from this SPECIAL BC👍
Fouad definitely had a great point in regards to comparing being perfect with training to being perfect with diet and the relative inconsistency. Despite not being able to thoroughly articulate it he was actually dead on correct!
Just found out I broke my finger thanks for making my day better
The absolute goat lineup
Hell yeah boys. Made this rough day of flooring better.