You Can Now Power Anything From An EV! Here's How V2L Works On Hyundai IONIQ 5
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Zachary is back on the channel with his Hyundai IONIQ 5 trying out the Vehicle to Load (V2L) functionality. Check out this video where he shows what you can plug into the car, runs his TV, space heaters and more, and ultimately maxes out the capability of the vehicle to load system.
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After living through 3 hurricanes, having the ability to grab some power from the EV in an emergency would be awesome. This is one feature where I think Tesla will be forced by the market to play catchup and redesign their future hardware to support it.
Tesla has their Powerwalls so I don't think they will feel the need to add it to their vehicles. For them it would be more gimmicky.
@@TheAdventureAuto A power wall is an expensive extra. If you already own the car, use it when emergency calls.
@@aussie2uGA Well you would use it to power your home, car, and sell electricity back to the grid. Somebody said the adapter costs $600...not exactly cheap.
@@TheAdventureAuto it's 220 dollars
I thought I saw Kyle slip something into his backpack when I dropped him off at JFK
I'm surprised he got it through security.
You are like every safety guy's nightmare.
I love the long run extension cords to the space heaters. lovely
It's like power strip inception
@@kentyler3962 Thru multiple power strips with stuff branching off in all directions, no less
The V2L is rated at a max of 15A so the power law is P=I*V P=15A*120V = 1.8Kw based on that the car will shut down the V2L around a draw of greater then 1.8Kw (ie 15amps)
yea, i just did the same calculations myself... not surprised. besides, normal house outlets are 15-20A. i'm sure it's rating is stated somewhere in the literature. yawn of a video.
Kill the main breaker to the house and see if you can get through the day from wake up to bedtime using just the V2L of the car. You’d have to move the plug from different devices as needed throughout the day but it would be an interesting thing to see. See how close to a normal day you can have.
Wow! That's exactly the info I was looking for. Thanks.
Very interesting video! V2L is now becoming mainstream at a time when power outages are at an all-time high.
Texas freeze was last year, 2021. Power was out for several days for many people.
This will be amazing for camping! Will the V2L adapter work with a 77kwh SE RWD model? What about the upcoming 58kwh base model? Thanks!
Super cool. Thanks for sharing!!!!
Wow all that? Amazing! 😊👍
Does the below the rear seat outlet(Limited Trim) and the adapter one supply power simultaneously (1.9KW + 1.9KW)?
Try a compressor load on it, like window unit or an air compressor. I wonder how it handles the surge of a compressor.
Great video
Wow all those cords are cringey lol
Great video and great gadget. If you still have it can you try using in on other EVs? I know is made for the Ionic 5 but it would be really cool if it would work with other EVs.
the hardware that converts the DC to AC isn't in the gadget, it is part of the car. So, it wouldn't work on another car.
@@markrichards9792 Thank you for the information. I suspected as much but was not sure. Do you know if the built in inverter and the gadget can be used simultaneously? If they can be used simultaneously can you then draw 1.5 kW per each or are you limited to that maximum 1.5 kW?
Undoubtedly, you were at the maximum load of that primary extension cord which may be 15 amps on #14 wire. I’ll bet it got warm and voltage furthest away from car was much lower than 120V. Looking at all those extension cords and connections, this a formula for an electrical fire. I think the best use of this feature is camping.
He said it was a heavy duty cord and those are #10 wire and can easily handle 15 amps.
@@JohnSmith-ug5ci Yes, you should be able to carry 30 amps on #10 without much voltage loss or heating
Can u try the air fryer, hope it work great for camping
In the UK, we get 240v, 16A out of the V2L adapter. I have a 16A socket from the car port to an isolator switch connected to the main fusebox. That means in the event of a power cut I can isolate the grid and power any devices in my home without the need for any daisy chained adapters. I can power all my lights (all LED), both my fridges and freezers, my router, gas heating system (it requires power for the controller, pumps and ignition system), TV, microwave, and a low power electric kettle (800W). It can be left connected all night, when just lighting, fridges, etc, and the heating system may be on. If the car was charged to 100%, it could power the house for 2-3 days and still leave 20% charge on the car. Fortunately power cuts here in UK tend not to last that long, but it’s nice to know it could cope in that event. Only thing you have to aware of is the initial power surge when some items are turned on initially after a power cut, so the circuit fuses for the sockets have to be switched off when you switch over to the car power, then turned back on one at a time. Still beats sitting in the cold and dark……
Rare like you say and good setup. Just hope you have DNO approval.
How about the blower fan on a gas furnace - that would be crucial...and gas tankless water heater.
Maybe power window air conditioner? An oxygen concentrator , CPAP . Respirator.
Any idea if the Korean market Hyundai V2L adapter works with US spec Ioniq 5s? Korea uses IEC Type 1 plugs and 220V, so that would seemingly be a decent way to get 3.6 kW output over 220V (vs. 1.8 kW over 110V with the stock US adapter).
I'm guessing it won't because the inverter (DC to AC) inside the car is different in Korea/Eurpe since they use 3 phase power, and the US mostly uses split phase 240.
People have hooked up inverters to their 12V batteries to supply 1.5-2 kW. I guess this is easier because you don't have to fool with clips on your 12V.
Thats what I have done a couple times with my Chevy Bolt. But yes so much better if inverter and everything just built right into the car and pull directly off big battery instead of going through the 12v
How would it preforme in really cold weather i hear the battries dont like the cold
The car keeps the battery at a set tempature , even with the car off. My Bolts battery heater will kick in a couple times during the night in really cold weather.
Do another video plugging Kyle’s empty Model 3 to a fully charged ionic and see how much it’ll charge it up.
From the specs just googling around, this V2L can push around 1.9kW @ 120VAC. So... its not really V2G. But I suppose it could be considered reasonably useful verses e.g. a solar generator, simply due to the size of the battery in the IONIQ 5. 70kW of available battery equals approximately 35 hours of continuous use at 2kW.
But there are a number of problems here when we begin talking about power outages. 1.9kW would not have been enough for something like the Texas freeze, and the vehicle is stuck there powering the house so being able to recharge it would require disconnecting. This is generally why most people with this concern are going to get something like a Tesla power wall and not just depend on their vehicle. The vehicle could still be used to charge the power wall, but with the advantage of not being stuck sitting at the home when you might need it for transportation during the emergency.
The real V2G is a bit different. And here we aren't talking about the F150 lightning's generator feature (which can power a house through a transfer switch via its 240VAC output). The real V2G is basically just making the battery's raw voltage available at the port and then having an in-garage inverter that it plugs into along with the transfer switch. Then the vehicle could power the entire house and pushing really significant amounts of power if necessary, even upwards of 50kW. Even higher... limited only by the garage-mounted inverter.
Utility V2G is designed only for occasional use. Some utilities have pilot programs for this, where they contract for up to N days (usually 10 days or so) of 'peak shaving' or other emergency operation. Definitely NOT daily cycling, which NMC/NCA based EV batteries cannot do without wearing out fairly quickly. However, a LiFePO4 (LFP) battery such as that found in the model 3, could potentially be used for daily cycling, load shifting, and full off-grid operation in an emergency. Tesla (well, Musk anyway) thinks its a bit of a waste though and would prefer people have dedicated whole-home battery systems for that sort of thing, since the inverter portion of the battery system is half the cost of the system you don't gain much by depending on only V2G for emergencies.
So for a true emergency where you don't have any in-garage support, I think the F150 lightning has the more appropriate solution. The 1.9kW the IONIQ can supply is good for your fridge and maybe a few lights and not much else. Or during a freeze, one electric heater and a few LED lights (and no fridge because the inductive motor start would trip the system if the heater is running). One electric heater might not be enough.
-Matt
Does it work while the car charges?
Doesn't Kyle's dad live in Connecticut, how did the V2L get to Colorado...UPS, FedEx? Oh hell, Kyle brought it back from his visit. :-)
Does your model also have a 120 volt power outlet accessible from the back seat? If so, how much power does that output?
Car console 110v AC outlets can only supply 120-150 watts. Good enough to power a few led light bulbs in the home, but nothing more.
@@kentyler3962 OK, more for charging a laptop computer. Thanks
@@kentyler3962 The window sticker on the Limited model states the following: "Vehicle-to-Load (V2L) 2nd-Row Outlet, 1.9kW"
Way more than 150 watts. Is it different on the lower trim cars?
@@rzu7120 I have an earlier Ford Focus EV, Not anything fancy.
Doesn't the ioniq 5 support 240v on V2L? If it does, hyundai should include another adapter with a 240v 15 amp plug to hook up to a generator port on the side of a house.
No, it doesn't. 110 only.
Who are you? The Ioniq 5 is super cool, I would like one but I need them to work the first year bugs out at least, before I get one.
unfortunately, those V2L adapters are back-ordered. But at least I was able to order. Will see how long it will take to get it here.
Zachary thanks for posting this. However, I have to admit I thought he was going to have the last extension be a "suicide cord"
It's really strange that it's not a 20A receptacle, just 15A. Also, I wonder if you can use an EU/UK 240V V2L (with appropriate adapters to North American plugs/sockets).
Also Europe is 50Hz vs 60 in North America. Probably the firmware in the car delivers the proper AC for the market.
@@JohnRoss1 Good point. It would have been nice if that was coded into the V2L adapter via communication pins -- but I'm betting it's hard-coded into the car. However, most consumer products run equally well on 50hz and 60hz since things are designed for an international market.
Extension cables are generally rated for a maximum of 13 amps. - Fully unwound.
@@AndrewLumsden The 20A socket (NEMA 5-20R) can accept 15A NEMA 5-15P and 20A NEMA 5-20P plugs. An extension cord that maxes out at 13A would not have a 20A NEMA 5-20P plug. Amperage is a demand, as such a NEMA 5-20R socket would not harm any plugs or equipment that draw up to 15A.
its basic 16AMP 220V output , so yeah, around 2KW/h is max power output.
Actually, theoretical max of 16amp is around 3.5KW/h but i guess at hyundai they limited it to around 2KH/w to have less stress on internals.
Can it charge other ev's?
Nice video. However, for the cost of the adapter $600, I would buy a dual fuel backup generator that can power my house without worrying about how to charge the car when all those appliances use up all of the car's energy in a true emergency.
U so smrt
@@bermuge1 I’m not sure what language you’re writing in(LOL). But, Google kindly offered to translate it to English. Did you really mean “U with death”?
@@kolfe2awannabeehounonmuham288 Google not so smrt.
If the electricity is out the Gas Pumps dont work. Also using the EV's battery you cna run your house for a whole week.
Looks North American gets less power for V2L, it tripped at just 2kW while in Europe it’s 3.6kW. I wonder why the difference, maybe they use 220v and we use 110v.
The adapter is priced at €399 in Europe, at least it was when I looked last. It was included in the top trim, when we bought the Ioniq 5 in December in Germany.
It is so disappointing that Hyundai chose to only support 120V in the US. I get our 240 is technically very different than Europe's 208 (split phase vs 3 phase), but they really limited the usefulness of this feature. I was hoping I could use this in place of my generator to power the house in a outage, but I'd need 240v.
Step up transformer
All those cords give me anxiety if you were to ever get an electrical isssue
Definite bummer Kia/Hyundai only offer a 120v version of this for North America, but I understand their reasoning as they don't want to be responsible for something that would require specialty electrician work to utilize as V2G. More a symptom of North America's stupid 120v step-down for regular outlets. The EU version of this adapter wouldn't work in NA either, since they use 50 Hz instead of 60 Hz.
You missed an opportunity plunging into the rear seat outlet and running your test. No V2L adapter needed!
Sweet
Why does this start with the picture mirrored? "Is that just a gimmick?"
Try powering the house
Thought it's a Tesla quirk that they don't support V2H. Leafs always had it
How about Tesla
Not available.
The buiilt in inverter is very inefficient, wasting a significant percentage of the available energy. All electric cars should allow thier DC power to be available to 3rd party inverters that would be way more efficient.
I think the built-in inverter is good for charging small electronic devices like computers or phones.
As nice as this idea this is the one time that you did not mention when the power goes out for days and you use your ev to power the house what happens when your ev runs out of power how do you charge your ev with no power or even drive anywhere there are to many limitations to a ev .I have a 2021 f150 powerboost that is a hybrid and can run for 36 hours on ev power that can travel farther with no down time refueling or getting anxiety looking for a charging station and when it get low I just go to the gas station refuel and power back up again while you wait for the power to be restored so you can drive and power your home it a no Brainer powerboost is the solution but i thing that the best solution is a plug in hybrid it the best way to break in the ev Evolution
You're not getting gas out of a gas station unless you're driving outside of the area affected by the outage (unless you're siphoning). PHEVs are great for people who keep the car running hot the whole day (taxis). For everybody else the cold restarts dump tons more particulates into the air. No point reducing CO2 emissions if you're dying from lung cancer or COPD.
F1 makes a good emergency vehicle. Otherwise planning for rare outlier events meets law of diminishing returns at some point. A home generator would be more efficient.
I'd like to see you try and charge another EV off of it. Then you could effectively jump one EV off of another.
you should be able to, I've seen other videos where they do that. But it is very slow. but still if you just need enough power to get 3 miles to a DCFC, then an hour hooked to the ioniq would do the trick.
Look into the camera, Bud.
only 1900W on the US model, barely useless.
Agreed.... a better option would be a 2200w gas generator @ $500 and would run for 8 hours on a gallon of gasoline.
600 dollars for that attachment and it only puts out 120 volts and around 1800 watts continually! You have to be kidding. What a joke. How long would the car battery power at a constant peak load? A 600-dollar gas generator would do way more and give 240 volts.
You can run for about a week on the car pulling everything in the house except the AC , electric dyer . And you dont need keeping filling it up like you do a generator.
@@electric-rideshare your claim is false. It cannot possible power everything in the house that you mentioned with only 15 amps draw possible at a time. A generator could however.
@@JohnSmith-ug5ci 15 amps ,
Television 55” UHD less than .05 amps , electric blanket 4 amps, slow cooker 1 amp, laptop less than .05 amps , Fridge 2mps, desktop computer 1.5 amps , 5 led 45 watt light bulbs 1 amp etc..
You cna of course use higher amps stuff at short intervals like the Microwave toaster etc..
@@electric-rideshare none of that deals with air-conditioning or heat. Also most refrigerators use between 3 to 6 amps at 120 volts. If the house has electric cook stove it cannot be used. A generator is far better.
@@JohnSmith-ug5ci Of course not AC.. This is about getting through a storm outage...
I have a gas stove but yes if you have an exlectric stove you arent going to be preparing dinner like usual... You have your microwave and tv dinners etc..
The Ionog 5 has a 77kW batery..thats 77 THOUSAD watts of electricity avaiable ..you cna run the basics for a week ..
And you dont have to go out every 4 hours and add gas to a generator...BTW..if the elecricity is out then Gas Pumps DONT work.
This isnt a pissing contect betwee the 2 ..it's simply demonstrating how you can get by for a week in relative comfort using nothing more than your cars high voltage battery as backup for upto a week while energy companies work to get the lines back up and running.
There is no hard drain on the car because max out at 1800 watts compared to using 20,000 watts driving down the highway (20kWr)
In a true emergency where it was extremely cold outside, I would just stay inside the vehicle. Using it for powering a washing machine or space heater would be wasteful and pointless. How would you dry the clothes? This is totally a gimmick.