How To Use Vehicle to Load (V2L) to Charge Any EV from a Hyundai, Kia or Genesis
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I was going to ask you about as I have used my Limited's back seat port to run a bunch of stuff in my house when power was out
Ok, this is great information! And, potentially very important. I’ve been driving around in my Ioniq 6 with all the equipment I need (the VtL adapter and a level 1 EVSE), but it had not even occurred to me that I could use that to provide roadside assistance to a stranded EV! Great stuff! Thanks yet again!
I felt bad as yesterday if I had this I could have helped a group who were driving a friend's Tesla and didn't realize they didn't have the CCS adapter needed to charge and didn't have enough battery to make it to a Super Charger. They had to call people to drive over the adapter. Looking forward to one cable where everyone that needs an adapter can get it from the auto maker.
In other news, I did see that Hyundai confirmed they will be giving out CCS to NACS adapters for free on request when they eventually roll that out next year. I'm sure it will take time to get them out, but glad they are doing it for free on request.
Where did you see this information?
I really appreciate these detailed videos. The J+ looks very interesting to me as I plan to camp in my Ionic 5. I would love for you to do a "basics of charging away from home" video for us newbs that goes through all the different types of charge ports, charging speeds, adapters, etc. I plan to road trip in my car, and it is all a bit intimidating.
The J+ Booster EVSE is extremely well built. I can't recommend it more highly. It's just really expensive, but you are paying for quality and longevity
@@h.b.4058 I’ve been VERY happy with my J+ so far, and if fits nicely in our little frunks. Carrying it and my V2L is my equivalent to having jumper cables so I can help others (and myself) it’s a dead battery.
That’s great information! I bought one of those Askdog V2L adapters (at your prior recommendation), but was disappointed when I plugged my wife’s E-Golf level one charger into it, and it didn’t work! (Ground fault, just as you said.) so I really appreciate you testing the Hyundai V2 adapter and verifying that it works, so I’m gonna have to get me one of those!
If you haven't gotten the Hyundai V2L adapter yet and handy with basic wiring or willing to try, I made a comment in the general comments area about how to make the ground fault work with the aftermarket V2L adapter.
To resolve the open groung fault on aftermarket V2L adapter or the 120v receptacle in the backseat, make a short extension cord adapter between the V2L outlet and the charging cord plug. Make sure to use 14 gauge wires or thicker and end connectors are rated for 15 amps or more to handle the heat generated by the 12 amp charger. Tie the neutral to the ground (loop or jumper them together) inside the receptacle end of the short extension cord. It is not necessary to have the ground pin connected on the plug end of the short extension cord. Just like a house has the neutral and ground connected at the entrance panel into the house, the plug-in charger will see the ground as present and allow charging to proceed.
This made me realize how lucky we are in my country that Hyundai here provided a Kona with a DC fast charger and a big battery pack built inside of it to offer some roadside assistance whenever someone needed it.
Cool to see that in action. Good to know about the third-party V2L adapters. Thanks!
We nearly had to do that this weekend! Rolled into our hotel in Las Vegas with a rental Model Y at 0% and all of the L2 chargers were broken.
Luckily my brother was in our EV6 and we could L1 V2L charge if we got desperate, but luckily a supercharger was 1.5 miles away.
I bought the Korean Hyundai v2l adapter and just bought an adapter to be able to plug into US outlets and it works perfectly fine
@@rob8969 is that combination (K market V2L adapter + plug adapter) providing you 110v output or 220v? Have you tried charging and if so what KW level did the car report?
@@rob8969 please provide more info. I would love to know more.
@@ChuckvdL yes the adapter is basically exactly the same but just has a Korean plug on the end. I believe the car controls the output. It’s still the same 110 1.8kw
@@rob8969 now I’m wondering if it’s a market specific setting in firmware.. argh the curse of being under warranty..
Were you able to measure the voltage at the receptacle sans any adapter?
Time to buy the Hyundai V2L adapter…
Another situation where being in Europe with a 240v system makes quite a difference.
Exactly what I thought. Having a max of 3.6 kW Out of the car would help a lot in emergency (or even camp) situations.
Did you adjust the settings to the same adapter locking in both cars? In any case, normally you can unlock any adapter by simply pressing the adapters lock leaver for 10 seconds.
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The A2Z adapter does NOT work with my Ioniq5. It has the same problem that you have with it with your Ioniq6. The first couple of times it released but after that it would not. I contacted the company and they gave me instructions that did not work. After contacting them multiple times they finally stopped responding to me. Wasted money. The only way I could reliably get the lights to stop flashing and to unlock the adapter was to move the stop % for V2L to a level below the battery level. That would immediately stop the V2L and I could take out the adapter.
I really question the credibility of that A2Z company. I was emailing with the owner about their CCS to NACS adapter and they just stopped responding to me as well. They seem to just be a brand that’s taking some Chinese companies product and slapping their logo on it and acting as a middle man
5:00 Thanks for that reminder.
I am so glad I never purchased one of the aftermarket units. Still confused about the pricing from the Hyundai USA webpage based on ZIP Code and choosing a dealer versus other links you’ve used before and sent. I’m not too concerned having the limited but if it was inexpensive, I could see myself using this. 8:29
i was wondering if the plug inside in the top trim of ioniq 5.
In Denmark its called "ultimate" trim.
It has a plug inside at the floor level off the backseat.
I have had such a top trim car, but have sold it.
Im waiting for the new ioniq 5 My25 PE model, so thats why it could be an interesting test for me and others in same situation.
I’m concerned about how the transition to the NACS plug will affect V2L capabilities.
So, does this mean if I have an emergency generator socket on my house, I could use the Hyundai V2L to run backup power? I had heard I couldn't as there would be a ground fault, but it seems the V2L gets around this.
That's exactly what I do: ruclips.net/video/ZmmhOXsIRjw/видео.htmlsi=tM_3wJOCm9IY8wiH
@@TheIoniqGuy Thanks! (from Australia)
Could be.
Looks like the Australian version of this adapter is 240V and 15A for 3600W peak. That could power a few small things but really it’s still only good for one medium sized appliance. That’d be like a small portable generator.
@@FuncleChuck Those don't work on US cars, you can't import a 240V V2L and get 240V on US cars.
@@GeoffJohnson that’s because Australia uses CCS2 similar to Europe, the adapter wouldn’t plug into a North American car with a CCS1 port.
What you’d want is the South Korean adapter which is CCS1. However, someone here reports that after doing this they only got 115v out of it. So it might not be just the adapter? (Unknown how they adapted from a K receptacle of that V2L to a US plug, and if that had a step-down transformer) For all we know there’s something in a firmware setting that tells the car what voltage to use.
Maybe you already covered this but after the last update my I5N auto locks after walking away now.
I didnt realize the AskDog style V2Ls had a lifted ground. I've been using a L1 charger daily to siphon power over to my spouse's EV, but now that I'm looking at it, that EVSE seems to still allow charging even if theres a ground issue in the circuit. So, the chinesium V2L works alongside the chinesium EVSE together, even though theres no ground.
I wonder if this is acruallt fixable. I might open up the V2L adapter and see if there is a vehicle ground pin to attach to, maybe run a little jumpered wire between the NEMA 5-20R and the J1772M
@@angelamorley9921 gotta admit the lack of grounds feels sketchy.. but it’s not as if a car on rubber tires is grounded, so even if the ground connection was there, what would it actually be grounded TO in a vehicle to vehicle scenario?
If things are “working” I’m not sure, I’d mess with it. (And I’m comfortable doing electrical wiring, not electraphobic).
Adapters are cheap and replaceable, but at some point you’re starting to risk damage to the car internals, and personally I’m not comfortable with that.
Fortunately Genesis provided the genuine V2L with my car, so I’ve no reason to play with knock-off adapters.
But what about the Ioniq 6's built-in V2L port? I assume that can be used to charge another EV but I'm surprised you didn't mention it. Good video regardless.
Yes it can. I don’t have one so it wasn’t on my mind.
@@TheIoniqGuy Isn't that an Ioniq 6 on the right in the video? Or do you mean that that car isn't yours so it wasn't on your mind? Or does the V2L only come with certain trim levels? I have a 2024 Ioniq 6 Limited, so I'm set. 😄
Only the Limited trim has it. I have a base model
I plugged a tester into the built in V2L port on my I5 limited and it showed open ground, it shows the same using the Lectron adapter on the charge port. I don't have the Hyundai V2L adapter to do the same test to see how that would read.
The Hyundai external V2L shows no open ground
Thank you so much!! That’s great information! I have a quesion, Can i use V2L when charging??
Someone reported yesterday that the rear seat V2L doesn’t work when DC fast charging. I don’t know about level 2
@@TheIoniqGuy Thank you so much!!! Can you check if it works during level 2 charging?😂😂😂
So this is the equivalent of putting in a can of gas for an ICE that’s out of gas.
When it’s colder, the losses are bigger not smaller. Basically not viable at all when more than half of the power is being wasted in the process.
Why do we need a V2L adapter and a granny charger? Why not a normal charging cable from port to port?
The lectron v2l adapter is also working as I have tested it with my Pion Power evse
I bet it's pretty easy to modify a V2L plug, or make a short extension cord that connects the neutral and ground of the outgoing socket (only!) and make the charger think there is a ground.
I don't have a second EV and I'm traveling right now but I might try it with my Lectron V2L some day.
Yeah it likely is
Yes, plenty of people have done this for years to get certain equipment to work with generators.
Did it myself. You just need a derivation of the 120V output (example high quality high grade small extension with multiple outputs), put a dummy plug in one of fhese outputs with ground and neutral bridged, and then the J+ Booster will be happy and work just fine.
I wanted to cook lunch using the 3 point plug under the back seat while public charging my ev6,but as soon as you open the charging port lunch switches off.
Hmmm. Informative. I think my mobile charger pulls 1.3kW using a NEMA 5-15 adapter, so that's certainly less than the maximum 1.8kW that my V2L can provide. So there's a problem with other V2L adapters because of a ground fault? Huh. I have a Lectron V2L, but I've never tried to charge another EV with it. I can tell you that, instead of a "power on" button, it has a tiny button that pushes in when you insert a plug into the adapter, which turns on the power. The only problem is that it is best to use a 90° angled plug so the weight hangs down: a horizontal cable can cause the plug to pull out slightly, thus releasing that tiny button and turning off the power.
I noticed that little button when I was shooting my video review of the Lectron. Clever but like you pointed out any cord pullout could cause it to stop outputting power which I suppose could be good to prevent any arc fault
Electrical code is the reason it can't pull the full 15 amps, the plugs and sockets are rated for 15 amps but code only allows for 80% of that to be used, limiting devices to 12 amps max.
I have thought about modding my Lectron adapter to put a normal on/off switch on the side, but figure if I have a loose plug I can just duct tape it on. The lack of an off switch is probably the reason the cheaper unit doesn't unlock from the car. Unless pressing the latch is the "off" and it's not moving far enough on the I6?
@@MartysRandomStuff I never said anything about pulling 15A…? Dunno what you're referring to. My 1.3kW universal mobile connector only pulls 12A through a NEMA 5_15 plug, just like Hyundai Level 1 mobile charger.
@@Yanquetino You mentioned wanting 1.8kW. To pull 1.8 kW at 120V you need to pull 15A, no off the shelf device will be designed to do that on a 5-15 plug.
@@MartysRandomStuff I didn't say I *wanted* 1.8kW: I was simply citing the maximum rated wattage that the V2L port can provide. In other words, the V2L can *handle* a typical Level 1 mobile charger like mine which only uses 1.3kW without any problem. Sheeesh.
I lost my keys! How do I remove the parking and handbrake?
Korea uses CCS1 and is a 220v country.. the standard household grounded receptacle supports 16 amps.. with a proper adapter that might get you about 2.6-2.8kW at 80% of max load. I think I saw someone here say it works, but they didn’t report the resulting charge rate
As far as I'm aware, the output voltage is determined by the inverter on the car, not the V2L adapter. I wish there was a switch we could access to force it to output 240v.
@@angelamorley9921 The Korean one only puts out 120V in the US (I was an early adopter and bought one off Ebay when they were hard to get stateside). You need to use an outlet adapter though since they don't have a NEMA 120V plug on the outside. It worked fine during Hurricane Ian, but I went ahead and got a US OEM one later on.
@@angelamorley9921 I’m sure the inverter is doing the work, the question is do they use a single part that can provide a range of voltages, and the V2L tells it what is needed, or is the inverter a market specific part that is different depending on where the car is headed.
A single part has a lot of economies, provided the base cost is not substantially higher.
@@didgr8thats disappointing news. I thought Korea used 220v like the UK. That would argue that @angelamorley9921 is correct in their theory that the inverter determines the V2L output voltage. (Unless your Kr->US plug adapter has a step down transformer). What a bummer man….
This is off topic but I can’t find an answer to this If the 12v battery dies can you get out of the car inoiq5
Yes, the door mechanisms are fully mechanical
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The charging rate seems so low that it doesn’t seem to be worthwhile. And, how much battery does the receiving unit suck out from the source? If half of the power is wasted aren’t you giving up several hours of charging at a great loss?
It’s an emergency option. It’s not a realistic thing to do often.
It’s the same charge rate as you normally get on an L1 charger, you could add 30-50 miles overnight.
Yeah, it’s not perfectly efficient - you’d probably take 40-70 miles away the donor vehicle.
But if you’re several miles from the next charger this is an option. Not a great option, but better than being stranded.
@@Fred70115 if someone is dead at the side of the road, 2-4 miles an hour of charge rate beats nothing. For the donor, you’re only giving up hours of charging if you normally charge off a 110v outlet.
Between L1, L2, and DCFC, each level of charging is roughly an order of magnitude faster. 15 minutes on a typical Level 2 home charger would equate to about 2 hours at L1. And a minute or two on a DC fast charger.
@@Fred70115 not the point
Charge me.
3 miles per hour, I could hike with a bucket and get a load of electrons faster haha
It’s the normal 120V L1 charge rate, tons of people live with that every day.
And I get it’s a joke, but no you can’t walk 3 miles to get your “electron bucket” - you’d still have to charge somehow, and charging from 0% is always drip drip slow at the start.