Virginia Woolf ROASTS James Joyce

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  • Опубликовано: 5 сен 2023

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  • @maxtravers1314
    @maxtravers1314 3 месяца назад +819

    For reference, £4 in 1922 is equivalent to about £188 as of February 2024

    • @barbaralindhjem2488
      @barbaralindhjem2488 3 месяца назад +9

      Thanks

    • @MiScusi69
      @MiScusi69 3 месяца назад +18

      WTF

    • @angelacraw2907
      @angelacraw2907 3 месяца назад +48

      It was a banned book and had to be bought mail order. In fact the Paris publishers, ran by the indomitable Sylvia Beach at the time bankrupted herself keeping Joyce and his disfunctional family going during the years it took to publish the book. And although she had done this for him he took the book to an American publishers, after the ban was lifted, selling the rights from underneath her, which meant she could not recoup the losses incurred during Joyces' constant changes to the book. 'And so it goes.'

    • @bleepbloop6234
      @bleepbloop6234 Месяц назад

      I would have been absolutely furious if I paid half that much for any of Joyce's books lmfao.

    • @LOLquendoTV
      @LOLquendoTV Месяц назад +4

      Tbf, if I paid thay much for any book and it wasnt an absolute favourite, id be upset too

  • @stanleydude3340
    @stanleydude3340 8 месяцев назад +3080

    She really just went "You're a third rate writer with a fourth rate book."

    • @todd5640
      @todd5640 8 месяцев назад +30

      Kaiba out

    • @eruno_
      @eruno_ 8 месяцев назад +71

      she said he has talent, but misuses it.

    • @sunkintree
      @sunkintree 8 месяцев назад +7

      pure jealous

    • @starlinguk
      @starlinguk 7 месяцев назад +44

      No, she says he is a really good writer and therefore does not need to resort to writing pretentious drivel.

    • @sunkintree
      @sunkintree 7 месяцев назад +13

      @@starlinguk you havent read any Woolf if you think she's not pretentious lol

  • @JoaoPessoa86
    @JoaoPessoa86 8 месяцев назад +1708

    "But as Joyce is nearly 40, it's scarcely likely" 🔥🚨🔥🚨🔥🚨

  • @anujmore8249
    @anujmore8249 8 месяцев назад +1732

    The worst that she say is "No"
    Her:

    • @RuthvenMurgatroyd
      @RuthvenMurgatroyd 5 месяцев назад +16

      😂 Bro, imagine getting rejected but it's done in her style of prose 💀

    • @JeremyHelm
      @JeremyHelm Месяц назад +3

      Would it help YOU grow out of it?

    • @jessef88
      @jessef88 Месяц назад

      Dude 😂

  • @alexandresobreiramartins9461
    @alexandresobreiramartins9461 Месяц назад +93

    Let us all remember that Nora Joyce told James, "Why don't you write books people can actually READ?!?"

  • @elizabethdouglas3417
    @elizabethdouglas3417 7 месяцев назад +565

    Read Ulysses in an English graduate class and my prof literally wished us all luck. I barely made it through. Utterly miserable part of the semester. Then we read Woolf’s To The Lighthouse, and my prof wished us luck again 😆😆

    • @yvetteworrall8909
      @yvetteworrall8909 7 месяцев назад +66

      God yes. Found them both insufferable, Wolfe just more tersely so.

    • @neo-xy3fr
      @neo-xy3fr 5 месяцев назад +23

      I've STARTED To the Lighthouse so many times. Best I can do is 50 pages 😂

    • @Blue_3987
      @Blue_3987 3 месяца назад +15

      ​@@neo-xy3fr same i read the same first 50-60 pages so many times cuz it's so beautiful then I don't understand anything lol

    • @angelacraw2907
      @angelacraw2907 3 месяца назад +20

      I prefer Woolf's writing to Joyce. Dubliners is incredible, but I couldn't understand Ulysses. Whereas I love Woolf's writing. She is doing some wonderful things with stream of consciousness in her works especially in Mrs Dalloway.

    • @notwerkinginthishouse8634
      @notwerkinginthishouse8634 2 месяца назад

      Im about to read that book ​@@angelacraw2907

  • @julyol119
    @julyol119 8 месяцев назад +784

    Damn! A burn so hot, it still stings after a century 😂

    • @user-ns4ed3nu6h
      @user-ns4ed3nu6h 6 месяцев назад +1

      I don't know who it's stinging, but they must be quite sensitive 😂

    • @darthandeddeu
      @darthandeddeu 3 месяца назад

      It also fits Infinite Jest ...

    • @jfurl5900
      @jfurl5900 2 месяца назад +1

      I'm not sure that Joyce would have been bothered by her. After all he went on to write finnegans wake . She must have been in a real tizzy over that.

  • @canteventhough
    @canteventhough 8 месяцев назад +516

    I needed that. The real rap battles of history.

  • @richardfinestra9218
    @richardfinestra9218 5 месяцев назад +124

    After that I imagine she had a stroke reading Finnegan's wake

    • @nedcassley5169
      @nedcassley5169 2 месяца назад +6

      Finnegans Wake

    • @DoctorDisco42
      @DoctorDisco42 Месяц назад +3

      @@nedcassley5169 do they now?

    • @nedcassley5169
      @nedcassley5169 Месяц назад +2

      @@DoctorDisco42 Davenports may be slept on, but not Finnegans.

  • @AdorableLady
    @AdorableLady 4 месяца назад +398

    Woolf calling someone else’s writing pretentious and brackish is fucking hillarious.

    • @wordsculpt
      @wordsculpt 3 месяца назад +45

      She was innovative, and tried new ways of expressing herself, but was never, ever pretentious. Perhaps you haven't read her work? Or need to look up the meaning of the word.

    • @AdorableLady
      @AdorableLady 3 месяца назад +114

      @@wordsculpt She’s my favorite author but you can’t read the Waves (my favorite book) endless soliloquys and not find it a bit pretentious.

    • @William.Kelly7
      @William.Kelly7 3 месяца назад +85

      ​@@wordsculpt even your description is pretentious

    • @antagonisticalex401
      @antagonisticalex401 3 месяца назад +15

      ​@@William.Kelly7Everything in the universe is a bit pretentious if you have an annoying enough attitude. Converse isnt ture tho. You dont have to be annoying to find a pretentious thing, well, pretentious.

    • @Aengus42
      @Aengus42 3 месяца назад +9

      Pretentious? Moi?

  • @rulisa1131
    @rulisa1131 8 месяцев назад +345

    You have to read it like an Irish drunken poetic rambling. Then it's perfectly enjoyable 😂

    • @oldvlognewtricks
      @oldvlognewtricks 8 месяцев назад +22

      You’re going to lose you mind when you find out that ‘enjoyable’ has almost nothing to do with ‘good’.

    • @ASingleSpaghetti
      @ASingleSpaghetti 8 месяцев назад +45

      ​@@oldvlognewtricksSaying "enjoyable" has nothing to do with "good" has about as much weight as claiming "enjoyable" has EVERYTHING to do with "good". Both are extremely subjective blanket statements that lack any real nuance.

    • @oldvlognewtricks
      @oldvlognewtricks 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@ASingleSpaghetti That’ll be why there is so much argument for highly popular Hollywood entertainment behemoths being the best quality movies out there oh no wait.
      Orthogonal variables are orthogonal. Simply stating ‘nah’ isn’t sufficient as a rebuttal.
      Do you have a counterexample? I have plenty of enjoyable bad movies, and likewise excellent movies that are unpleasant to watch… rendering your point pretty toothless.

    • @localabsurdist6661
      @localabsurdist6661 8 месяцев назад +13

      @@oldvlognewtricksthere is nothing like an objectively good book my guy

    • @Philrc
      @Philrc 8 месяцев назад

      Not at all

  • @bokononbokomaru8156
    @bokononbokomaru8156 8 месяцев назад +87

    Yes, but don't miss Joyce's profound, incisive, & intellectually provocative retort of "Your mother's so ugly..."

    • @amberspecter
      @amberspecter 7 месяцев назад +2

      Really?

    • @bokononbokomaru8156
      @bokononbokomaru8156 7 месяцев назад +12

      ​@amberspecter yes. It was in the epilogue on the promotional sleeve of Olsen's Standard Book of British Birds... the expurgated version (the one without the gannet)

  • @MrDeyzel
    @MrDeyzel 7 месяцев назад +38

    Every short this guy posts is super interesting

  • @plkrtn
    @plkrtn 7 месяцев назад +136

    Virgina Woolf being condescending?! Perish the thought 😂

  • @bubski_mcboo
    @bubski_mcboo 8 месяцев назад +227

    Honestly, I think it's a bit rich coming from her and her absolute acid trip of a narrative style.

    • @tilersun
      @tilersun 7 месяцев назад +13

      Exactly

    • @serbryndenshiversthecool5928
      @serbryndenshiversthecool5928 7 месяцев назад +5

      Facts

    • @amberspecter
      @amberspecter 7 месяцев назад +44

      It's an unpretentious acid trip, it tries to get to the heart of human experience, and the heart of human experience is twisty and trippy

    • @dennis65
      @dennis65 7 месяцев назад +21

      ​@@amberspecternah she was awful

    • @IrinaFay18
      @IrinaFay18 7 месяцев назад +26

      Her stream of consciousness style is still much easier to follow than Joyce's

  • @archer1949
    @archer1949 7 месяцев назад +12

    I find Ulysses scans better if recited out loud, like a poem.

  • @MYMOTHERISAFISH-ci2ts
    @MYMOTHERISAFISH-ci2ts 4 месяца назад +26

    To be fair... She said it more as a jealous jab rather than an actual criticism. A lot of the prominent British intellectuals of the time (H.G Wells, D.H. Lawrence ,Aldous Huxley and more) hated Ulysses,simply because they couldn't bear the fact that the great English novel of their age was written by an Irishman. Anyone who has read Woolf knows how much intellectual and genius she was there is no way she disliked it because it was cumbersome, she hated it because she much like her fellow intellectuals couldn't stomach the fact that an Irishman could write this(not to mention her classist views on joyce too)

  • @naly202
    @naly202 7 месяцев назад +33

    Look who's talking. Her and her characters who need an eternity to get to the flippin lighthouse.

    • @slappy8941
      @slappy8941 3 месяца назад +4

      "She" and her characters.

  • @mingthan7028
    @mingthan7028 3 месяца назад +7

    That's peer feedback for you 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @FourEyedFrenchman
    @FourEyedFrenchman Месяц назад +4

    Ulysses is a writer's flex. It's a great example of, "that's really cool, but it's kinda dumb, too."

    • @paxtonplato9771
      @paxtonplato9771 Месяц назад +1

      Whereas this comment is just really dumb.

  • @ripleycastle5668
    @ripleycastle5668 8 месяцев назад +8

    She paid basically the buying power of £300 in today’s money for a book and then burnt that shit without fire.

    • @3-meo-2-oxo-pce
      @3-meo-2-oxo-pce 8 месяцев назад

      £280 actually, but your point still stands

  • @LM-fn6qb
    @LM-fn6qb 25 дней назад +1

    I absolutely love Virginia Woolf's diaries. Every page has a jewel of an insight or observation. And so funny and perceptive about the people she meets.

  • @feliloki7
    @feliloki7 10 месяцев назад +40

    havent read her diary but i read she actually wanted to be friends with him after reading it. I've read it and it was great

    • @Wakamolewonder
      @Wakamolewonder 8 месяцев назад +5

      What’s great about it.

    • @Mr.Slinky
      @Mr.Slinky 8 месяцев назад

      @@Wakamolewonderit’s got loads of words in it, stuff like that yknow. and the words are on pages. pretty cool yknow

    • @dingdongdickweed6288
      @dingdongdickweed6288 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@Wakamolewonder The writing. DERP

  • @mrscsi6472
    @mrscsi6472 5 месяцев назад +37

    as someone who just finished to the lighthouse, i have to say she’s talking out her ass

    • @breadbunbun
      @breadbunbun 3 месяца назад +1

      Nah.

    • @wordsculpt
      @wordsculpt 3 месяца назад +4

      The way that You express yourself explains why you had a problem.

    • @breadbunbun
      @breadbunbun 3 месяца назад +1

      @@wordsculpt Nah.

  • @ross6753
    @ross6753 7 месяцев назад +34

    Well, she was right about it: Ulysses is dreadfully boring. But then so was she

    • @mingthan7028
      @mingthan7028 3 месяца назад +1

      Indeed, literary enjoyment is derived from subjective taste, particular mood and age.

    • @ross6753
      @ross6753 3 месяца назад +4

      @@mingthan7028 Yeah. Some people like excitement, others like boredom. But a boring person who blames someone else for being boring, that doesn't make much sense

    • @ilovepeoplebro
      @ilovepeoplebro Месяц назад

      ​@@ross6753"boring" in your mind is "absolutely entertaining" for someone else

    • @ross6753
      @ross6753 Месяц назад +1

      @@ilovepeoplebro I think I'm one among a very large crowd when I state that Ulysses IS definitely very boring. The crowd that finds it "absolutely entertaining" I bet is probably pretty slim

    • @michaelsieger9133
      @michaelsieger9133 Месяц назад +1

      @@ross6753Ulysses is the funniest book I’ve ever read. The prose is so versatile that the work deftly alternates between highly humorous passages and moments of deep pathos. I don’t know… perhaps I can attribute my enjoyment of the work to my personal background. As someone who grew up in a Catholic family and attended Latin school, it’s not surprising that the tone and attitude of the piece resonated with me. But I would still hold, along with several other people whom I know to be of the same opinion, that Ulysses is one of the most engaging texts I have encountered. As opposed to many of the other works of modernism, whose style is difficult and whose content is oftentimes indecipherable, Joyce has a way of making his work both exuberant and fun-loving.

  • @nebky
    @nebky 8 месяцев назад +165

    "A first rate writer respects writing too much to be tricky" Pretty rich coming form the woman who wrote Mrs Dalloway.

  • @NcessNasya
    @NcessNasya 3 месяца назад +5

    Still a better love story than twilight.

  • @angelacraw2907
    @angelacraw2907 3 месяца назад +3

    Joyce had asked if Woolf's publishing house Hogarth Press would print Ulysses. He sent her the first 200 pages to read. However, they printed on a small press at home and could not have completed a print run of any size. They looked into getting an outside printers to complete the run but no British printers would touch it because of obscenity laws. They were lucky because the book bankrupted Shakespear & Company in Paris.

  • @bilindalaw-morley161
    @bilindalaw-morley161 10 месяцев назад +40

    I've never been able to get through it. It's hard work, and I felt deficient in the deeper thought processes!
    By the way Tom, I noticed you were showing an apparently water damaged paperback. It would be interesting if you'd occasionally say if ever that sort of copy might be worth something? Perhaps even a few valuations on damaged books?
    As always, kudos n thanks

  • @Natashahoneypot
    @Natashahoneypot 7 месяцев назад +2

    Great short video. Your voice is both clear and informative yet relaxing. The silence of the libray is also relaxing. magical . 🌖 🌟 📙

  • @andrewbaertlein
    @andrewbaertlein 8 месяцев назад +61

    Has she read anything she’s written? She’s maybe the most tricky author I try to read regularly.

    • @lindahl458
      @lindahl458 7 месяцев назад +7

      I've only read Orlando, but didn't find it too tricky? Could you clarify?
      (A serious question)

    • @thegreaterconundrum
      @thegreaterconundrum 7 месяцев назад +7

      It seems she’s mostly commenting on the fact that he has a really wonderful idea that was just executed lazily

    • @ticketyboo2456
      @ticketyboo2456 7 месяцев назад

      Yes. I love her.

    • @Of_infinite_Faith
      @Of_infinite_Faith 6 месяцев назад +1

      Woolf is much easier to read than Joyce.

  • @charlesboucher9533
    @charlesboucher9533 7 месяцев назад +39

    Finally! For many years now I have been embarrassed by my reaction to Ulysses. I'm reasonably well read and still an avid reader at 59, but I just assumed I lacked the sophistication to appreciate what is said to be the best of all books. Tosh, difuse... brackish. Well said Ms. Woolf! Thankyou for the post.

    • @logikgr
      @logikgr 7 месяцев назад +4

      Not all books will jive with every person.

    • @ValeriaPugliesiWashington
      @ValeriaPugliesiWashington 7 месяцев назад +1

      Thank you for putting my thoughts and feelings into so precise wording.

    • @BlueSaphire70
      @BlueSaphire70 7 месяцев назад

      I completely agree with you.

    • @polylyth
      @polylyth 7 месяцев назад +5

      59 and still insecure.

    • @ulch11
      @ulch11 7 месяцев назад +6

      To be fair, if Woolf says a book is terrible, that's really to be taken as a compliment. Seeing how horrendous her works are.

  • @andrewmclean6721
    @andrewmclean6721 6 месяцев назад +22

    What an astonishing snob she was. I am proud to be underbred. If only the English could hear themselves. Ulysses is prophetic a generation before itself. Starkly beautiful and personal. Bothing she did even touches Joyce.

    • @leonconnelly5303
      @leonconnelly5303 4 месяца назад

      She is the biggest snob who ever lived

    • @barbaralindhjem2488
      @barbaralindhjem2488 3 месяца назад +1

      Really.....Woolf is english?

    • @ConeTheBoss559
      @ConeTheBoss559 3 месяца назад +3

      ​@@barbaralindhjem2488yeah, you can notice by the fact she refers to the irish author as inferior

  • @Lucia-pd6fi
    @Lucia-pd6fi 8 месяцев назад +3

    This is brilliant 😂

  • @matthewotto8322
    @matthewotto8322 3 месяца назад +1

    I love her analysis of the book. It's my favorite thing by her.

  • @rocketgeek96
    @rocketgeek96 8 месяцев назад +133

    A lot of comments here are either praising Woolf for taking Joyce down a peg, or berating Woolf for not being able to see the full genius of Joyce. It's either Woolf is a master writer who knows exactly how to make a classic while Joyce is an undeserving hack with a catalog of novels filles with monstrous pretentiousness, or it's literally the exact other way round.
    Gentlemen, ladies, enbies, you're all correct.
    James Joyce's novels are rambling, near incoherent messes that break the very concept of narrative, and should be considered required reading for anyone wishing to grow up and out of their more adolescent phase of reading simple stories to soothe the mind.
    And Virginia Woolf's novels are exactly the same way.
    I couldn't get through either Dubliners or To The Lighthouse before I hit 25, and that's okay. Trust me, there's genius and madness to be found in both. The trick is to be well read enough to understand the difference.
    Edit: Speaking of madness...
    It's been about a week and a half since I made this comment, and the replies immediately derailed from any discussion of the content of the comment or the video, and is now concerned with me "pandering" to the "latest trendy madness," which is (let me just gather my notes here) the simple acknowledgement of the historically based and factual reality that a significant portion of the world's population identifies with neither of the two arbitrary gender specific boxes we put people in at birth because of their genitals.
    Yes, I do respect non-binary people.
    No, I do not think respect must be earned.
    I respect all people until they do something to deserve to lose that respect, which does not include a person's identity, and which does include any statements or actions they may make as a personal decision.
    In which case I could call a not insignificant number of people in this reply section who will choose to ignore the objectively correct reality of the world, "utter imbeciles without compassion for their fellow man unless they fit into the unbelievably restrictive categories we arbitrarily place on inherently complex human beings in order to not hurt their ickle wittle brains too hard," and I would not lose an ounce of credibility in my argument.
    And for the record, yes, I couldn't finish Dubliners when I was younger, because frankly, I found it more boring than my church service.
    I have grown since then, mentally, socially, emotionally, and I advise several commenters in these replies to do so before society moves past the need for them.

    • @spencerburke
      @spencerburke 8 месяцев назад +4

      You couldn't get through 'Dubliners'?

    • @Lethargical
      @Lethargical 8 месяцев назад

      Dubliners is not even remotely difficult to get through though. Are you stupid?

    • @carpinchosexenjoyer1893
      @carpinchosexenjoyer1893 8 месяцев назад +11

      ​@@spencerburke he also said "enbies", of course he's illiterate

    • @spencerburke
      @spencerburke 8 месяцев назад +6

      @@carpinchosexenjoyer1893 Yes, that's very odd to see. Do some people really use that term? In a non-sarcastic way?

    • @3countylaugh
      @3countylaugh 8 месяцев назад +16

      ​@@spencerburkeyup, most people who choose to respect non binary folks do.

  • @user-no3fv4xm4r
    @user-no3fv4xm4r Месяц назад +2

    Ulysses was and still is not everyone’s cup of tea. It demands hard work from the readership because it’s unlike anything the reader has ever read or will ever read. Woolf’s “roast” is basically a rant birthed by frustration-Ulysses can frustrate the reader.

  • @willing1043
    @willing1043 2 месяца назад +1

    Holy crap imagine what she thought of Finnegans Wake!

  • @merlinsclaw
    @merlinsclaw 29 дней назад +1

    I've always loathed Virginia Woolf, and now I have another reason.

  • @muggedinmadrid
    @muggedinmadrid 7 месяцев назад +1

    Its important to have read at least some literary criticism of Ulysses before reading the novel. His Finnegans Wake makes Ulysses look like an Enid Blyton book. Joyce was god-like in his literary visions. He will never be matched.

  • @nefariouspurplebadger
    @nefariouspurplebadger 3 месяца назад +5

    I agree with her. That book is awful

  • @etnijaveirija4901
    @etnijaveirija4901 3 месяца назад

    Thank you for interesting facts and stories that I would never known otherwise.

  • @so-um7dm
    @so-um7dm 8 месяцев назад +3

    That's £230 today!

  • @stephennelson2166
    @stephennelson2166 5 месяцев назад +2

    And why do we care what she thinks?

    • @barbararice6650
      @barbararice6650 24 дня назад

      Because she's one of the greatest authors in English literature 😕

    • @JamesMc2051
      @JamesMc2051 23 дня назад

      People don't give opinions depending on whether you agree with them or not. (i.e.. You don't have to care what she thinks.)

  • @dominicgodfrey8015
    @dominicgodfrey8015 8 месяцев назад +3

    Reminds me of vladimir nabokov 😂

  • @jaylewis3665
    @jaylewis3665 10 месяцев назад +7

    I just finished portrait of an artist as a young man, and it was hard to get through. Not because i thought it was pretentious or anything, i just didnt care about the story. Probably will be a long time before i attempt anything else joyce

    • @markchambers3833
      @markchambers3833 8 месяцев назад +3

      You should consider reading 'Dubliners', probably the most normal thing Joyce wrote. An excellent book.

    • @AngeIofContempt
      @AngeIofContempt 8 месяцев назад +3

      "hard ti get through" how old are you, i understood it as a teen.

  • @Jabberstax
    @Jabberstax 2 месяца назад +4

    She wasn't wrong. It's a terrible book.

    • @paxtonplato9771
      @paxtonplato9771 Месяц назад

      Greatest novel in the English language by far .

    • @barbararice6650
      @barbararice6650 24 дня назад

      ​@@paxtonplato9771
      Haha no 😁

    • @paxtonplato9771
      @paxtonplato9771 22 дня назад

      @@barbararice6650 Nice try mate 👍

    • @barbararice6650
      @barbararice6650 22 дня назад

      @@paxtonplato9771
      Well it's subjective one English writer or the other, I find the book gibberish detailing the tribulations of a cuck, but you like it obviously 👈🙄

    • @barbararice6650
      @barbararice6650 22 дня назад

      @@paxtonplato9771
      Oh come RUclips the cuckoo word isn't against jesus, stop deleting my replies 🙄
      Okay as for you, I find Ulysses by James Joyce absolute pretentious gibberish with a daft plot, however you seem to think it's of some worth, I can't argue your subjective opinion, have at it, I know the Irish push him because he's the only notable Irish writer who wasn't Anglo/Irish 😑
      Everyone knows who the greatest writer in the English language is and I don't need to tell 😕

  • @joebykaeby
    @joebykaeby 5 месяцев назад +2

    Very fancy way of saying “damn this guy needs an editor”

  • @xTheUnderscorex
    @xTheUnderscorex 8 месяцев назад +1

    Well if that's what she thought of Ulysses, I need to hear her take on Finnegans Wake

  • @Lynwood_Jackson
    @Lynwood_Jackson 3 месяца назад +1

    I love James Joyce. I read all of his works last year. That's really disappointing to think that she thought so lowly of him and his work.

  • @melissastreeter22
    @melissastreeter22 7 месяцев назад +18

    Your British accent on top of your articulate, erudite presenations is really the cherry on top. Respectfully, one of your American cousins.

    • @Alicedoesart
      @Alicedoesart 2 месяца назад

      Plus: he looks like a young Feargal Sharkey.

  • @XIIchiron78
    @XIIchiron78 3 месяца назад +1

    Her description also accurately summarizes my perception of a lot of media today. All flash and no substance, more concerned with high handed pretention than with just actually being worthwhile

  • @Tracywhited2
    @Tracywhited2 8 месяцев назад +2

    lol. She was a jerk.

  • @InfactBased
    @InfactBased 8 месяцев назад +1

    To be fair Wolfe comes off as posh and pretentious too

  • @37BopCity
    @37BopCity 27 дней назад +1

    Virginia Woolf was full of crap. If anyone wrote "tosh" it was her, she'd know all about it.

  • @333angeleyes
    @333angeleyes 3 месяца назад +1

    I'll be honest. Your off-handed comment of "she paid a considerable amount for the book; 4 pounds" made me curious because 4 pounds seems like a trifle amount.
    However, £4 in 1922 would equal £285 today. Which is $360 (yes, I'm American 😅). Anyway, yeah, I understand why she was so angry that the book was so bad. She literally paid a small fortune (compared to that time period) for that book.

  • @nedcassley5169
    @nedcassley5169 2 месяца назад

    I enjoyed it.
    The advice I'm glad I followed was to keep reading when you know you are missing things. Once you get to the end, you'll either want to read it again -- and you will struggle less -- or you will put it down never to pick it up again but never wondering if you had quit on it too soon.

  • @KThyme
    @KThyme 8 месяцев назад

    It's funny to me that these are also 2 of my favorite authors!

  • @ritaparker478
    @ritaparker478 6 месяцев назад

    I so like the fact that in this day and age you are such an insightful collector of literature. I apologize for my ageism bias. It seems so many young people I meet are only interested in the digital world.

  • @willowtdog6449
    @willowtdog6449 3 месяца назад

    I’ve only ever read excerpts for school assignments, but that’s because I didn’t enjoy reading it either. 😂

  • @dmr11235
    @dmr11235 7 месяцев назад +9

    She shot at the king but didn’t kill. Ulysses is as high a height as English has reached as a language. You’d have to turn to Goethe or Dante or Cervantes or Basho to find a peer

    • @jandocherty5834
      @jandocherty5834 3 месяца назад

      Which one of those wrote in English?

    • @dmr11235
      @dmr11235 3 месяца назад +2

      @@jandocherty5834 none

    • @jwalk2287
      @jwalk2287 Месяц назад

      Yes, as far as the language it is Shakespeare level

  • @TalKScribe
    @TalKScribe 7 месяцев назад +1

    I'm not afraid of her

  • @petermorhead4160
    @petermorhead4160 3 месяца назад +1

    I could not agree more.

  • @Lin-1785
    @Lin-1785 7 месяцев назад

    Wow. I had a tough time sometimes convincing my students that beloved and famous writing was also disliked, often by others in the same anthology!

  • @yajy4501
    @yajy4501 2 месяца назад +5

    I’d go with Joyce over Woolf any day of the week.

  • @Guitarbarella
    @Guitarbarella 23 дня назад +1

    Sounds like she was jealous.

  • @josefserf1926
    @josefserf1926 22 дня назад +1

    Ulysses is brilliant, but just not as brilliant as Joyce and others have said so.
    Did any other book's reputation have so much to live up to?

  • @CJ-uo5cl
    @CJ-uo5cl 7 месяцев назад +1

    Ulysess was ridiculous.

  • @dwp6471
    @dwp6471 8 месяцев назад +1

    I have read the first five chapter many times and put it down everytime. I didn't care about the characters enough to continue. One of the few books I have ever put down without finishing.

  • @pedrows498
    @pedrows498 8 месяцев назад +27

    When I was 16 I started to read Ulysses and after about 20 pages I was under the impression that Joyce hated me personally.
    I tore it apart and threw it in the trash

    • @dingdongdickweed6288
      @dingdongdickweed6288 7 месяцев назад

      Joyce: 1 You: 0

    • @arisu6072
      @arisu6072 4 месяца назад +1

      😂 what

    • @ashbajwa8965
      @ashbajwa8965 3 месяца назад

      To be fair I nearly did the same with Gravity’s Rainbow, the book was not finished unscathed.

  • @danielfordham2457
    @danielfordham2457 29 дней назад

    I think her take is absolutely spot on

  • @jackieking1522
    @jackieking1522 3 месяца назад +1

    Thank you...and Virginia.... I've not much time left and always wondered if I was about to miss out. Maybe I'll just start watching Marvel movies for the last few whatever.

  • @suzanneknibb3501
    @suzanneknibb3501 7 месяцев назад +1

    having read the book, I totally agree with Ms Wolf

  • @dingdongdickweed6288
    @dingdongdickweed6288 7 месяцев назад +3

    LOL She was wrong.

  • @Swissmister93
    @Swissmister93 8 месяцев назад +12

    That's rich coming from the author of Mrs. Dalloway, possibly the most boring and pointless book I've ever read.

    • @janegardener1662
      @janegardener1662 7 месяцев назад

      I didn't like reading the book myself, but the audiobook is fantastic. A great narrator who takes a breath in all the right places made a huge difference to me.

    • @tico5058
      @tico5058 7 месяцев назад

      Pointless? How?

  • @agentwrench
    @agentwrench 8 месяцев назад

    And as someone who was forced to read Ulysses in university, I love her for that

  • @ocdtdc
    @ocdtdc 2 месяца назад +1

    Sadly, she never wrote anything half as good as Ulysses

  • @terminallyonline5296
    @terminallyonline5296 2 месяца назад

    The most scathing review of a novel is to say it could be oh so much more

  • @gwae48
    @gwae48 Месяц назад

    She nailed it. 👍🏻👏🏻

  • @Robert_St-Preux
    @Robert_St-Preux 8 месяцев назад +1

    I made it a hundred pages before I tossed it aside, furious with Joyce for having made it so deliberately unreadable.

  • @sjenner76
    @sjenner76 2 дня назад

    She summarized very well my own feelings on Ulysses. It’s a work I want to like. But I can’t.

  • @ravenhill4331
    @ravenhill4331 10 месяцев назад +74

    I have to agree with Virginia!

  • @beastman2244
    @beastman2244 8 месяцев назад +1

    Coming from the stream of consciousness poet like cmon bru

  • @williamarndt9465
    @williamarndt9465 7 месяцев назад +1

    I've held the manuscript of Ulysses... well part of it ... Where I worked.

  • @artangel4172
    @artangel4172 10 месяцев назад +2

    Amazing! Hi Tom , any old editions of Wuthering Heights, Jane Eyre ? Thank You. 😊

    • @tomwayling
      @tomwayling  10 месяцев назад +1

      I posted a couple of videos about a first edition of Wuthering Heights back in the spring!

    • @artangel4172
      @artangel4172 10 месяцев назад +3

      @@tomwayling O I m sorry, thank you. I m new here! Really love your channel! I m an artist and illustrator and i m so glad I found your channel! Best Wishes.

    • @tomwayling
      @tomwayling  10 месяцев назад +1

      no problem at all!! Thanks for finding me :)
      @@artangel4172

  • @ricucci-hillmusic
    @ricucci-hillmusic 7 месяцев назад

    I actually haven't read Ulysses but I did use the very end of it has the opening of a Chamber Opera that I wrote a couple years ago. Lends itself very well to music surprisingly

  • @Tvianne
    @Tvianne 7 месяцев назад +1

    I never could stand VW writing, but here I cannot disagree with her.

  • @clivesmith9377
    @clivesmith9377 3 месяца назад +1

    I disagree. Ulysses is brilliant!

  • @davidmichael9034
    @davidmichael9034 8 месяцев назад +2

    Oh, I didn't know this. There videos are always interesting.

  • @leighfoulkes7297
    @leighfoulkes7297 8 месяцев назад +3

    I agree with some of her assessments but Ulysses is fun to read and once you read one of Woolf's books, there is no need to read it again.

  • @choreomaniac
    @choreomaniac 8 месяцев назад +2

    I feel the same about Finnegan’s Wake.

    • @JonBrownSherman
      @JonBrownSherman 8 месяцев назад +2

      I couldn't get through "A Portrait Of The Artist As A Young Man"

  • @operaguy1
    @operaguy1 3 месяца назад +1

    Could be talking about Nabokov. Tricksy.

  • @MarkRasslin
    @MarkRasslin 8 месяцев назад +20

    Oh an English person was offended by the sensibilities of James Joyce? Color me surprised.

    • @namedrop721
      @namedrop721 8 месяцев назад +6

      Plenty of Irish people don’t like him either 🙄

    • @MarkRasslin
      @MarkRasslin 8 месяцев назад +1

      @namedrop721 sure, and I wouldn't reject their opinions outright lol since they might actually understand the language they're reading.

    • @jaygin6518
      @jaygin6518 7 месяцев назад

      @@MarkRasslindumb take

  • @nihil1
    @nihil1 Месяц назад

    Well, she was absolutely right about her prediction, for whatever Ulysses is, Finnegan's Wake is more.

  • @theleanders2010
    @theleanders2010 28 дней назад

    I felt the same way reading it!

  • @koloblican11763
    @koloblican11763 10 месяцев назад +2

    God DAMN hahaha

  • @rodniki14
    @rodniki14 6 дней назад

    I had a friend in college who loved Ulysses. Turned out he was stoned all the time. He read one sentence at a time, enjoyed it, then read the next one. I tried it his way and it didn't work for me. I always though Ulysses was incomprehensible.

  • @BenOnSports
    @BenOnSports 17 дней назад

    Poor Henry Lamb caught a stray one there.

  • @larsnewbould456
    @larsnewbould456 10 месяцев назад +29

    Exactly my reaction to reding Virginia Woolf. The most appalling rubbish.

    • @bluesque9687
      @bluesque9687 9 месяцев назад +9

      Ok, but who are you?
      That is V.Woolf talking about James Joyce's masterpiece!!
      Who are you?

    • @larsnewbould456
      @larsnewbould456 9 месяцев назад +12

      @bluesque9687 Someone who loathes Virgina Woolf. Joyce, I rather enjoyed, though I don't consider it an earth-shattering masterpiece.

    • @SM-ef7yp
      @SM-ef7yp 9 месяцев назад +10

      ​@@bluesque9687a reader? Actually I'd believe in a fairness of his opinion rather than Virginia's one. She was egocentric and jealous.

    • @bluesque9687
      @bluesque9687 9 месяцев назад +5

      @@SM-ef7yp O'cmon, egocentric?
      There is no artist without some higher than usual amounts of egocentricity! ..and, that includes James Joyce and Virginia Woolf!
      I have read many of her essays over the years to discover other literary figures, and as one would expect, she doesn't write to pander to the whims or tastes of her readers!... she is true to herself and her incredible intelligence!
      There is a certain kind of "correctness" that people look for these days to "normalize" everyone.... it has killed or alienated many potentially good artists!!

    • @SM-ef7yp
      @SM-ef7yp 9 месяцев назад +5

      @@bluesque9687 If you read Woolf's essays and that's how you interpret her stances, fair enough. Knowing few of her novels and Joyce's prose, I just think that she's very petty and tries to undermine his creations. But maybe it's because of my love towards Ulysses and awareness of its influence on contemporary literature, philosophy and even ancient studies!

  • @tricivenola8164
    @tricivenola8164 13 дней назад

    I'm with Virginia. I'll never read it again.