Huge difference between the Voile Hyper and the Fischer S-Bound 125 skis. The soft flex and control is easy to see from the superb video. As helpful as the video is to "watch", the "sound" of the ski is just as telling. Music to my ears. I tense up on every icy patch, and melt into the silence of soft powder trail sections. Very helpful in understanding how the ski/boot/binding handles the specific conditions. I appreciate the extra effort it takes to mix that sound into the video tracks.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. Most of the time, the wind noise on the video is overwhelming so I tend to mute them and dub in a soundtrack. Every now and then, things work out and I get a great audio capture of the sound of the snow and the ski. Next weeks video features one of those magical soundscapes where I'm skiing on the Voile V6's. Keep an eye out for it. Its one you will want to listen to with headphones. :)
Hey Tom. I’m just about to mount a pair of voile witchbacks on a pair of Fischer 125’s. Length 165. Planning on going up to 3cm forward of balance point. Mid pint of ski is 1cm forward of BP. From measuring at least 6+ sets of Tele skis the Majority of pin lines are on MP of ski. Altai comms (v similar shaped ski) recommended pin line is 75mm forward of BP. User is a conservative Skiier. Not much powder skiing, so forward is the go. What’s your thoughts. Appreciated. Cheers Rohan. Australia.
I mounted my Switchback X2's using Voile's paper template with their pin line on the balance point of my S-Bound 125. I really didn't give it much thought at the time, it was just the way I had always mounted my Cross Country Skis. I've also skied SB 125's with a 3 pin binding on the balance point and I was happy with that position as well. I think you are wise to consider other options and 1 cm forward is pretty darn close, probably not enough to make a dramatic difference in how the ski feels. Most Alpine downhill skis use a boot center position and when I mount them up, the pin line tends to be a bit forward of the balance point of the ski given my shoe size. The SB 125's are in the middle ground area of ski design, a cross country downhill ski, but I think you will be happy mounting yours in either location.
@@tomm9850 Tom. Your reply very much appreciated for additional confirmation. I went with 3cm forward of BP, comfortable with that given it is only 2cm forward of mid point. (My new point of reference given so many pin lines, all mounted by different people, have been on ski centre - which also included skis mounted for boot centre) With the SB125 skis having a chunky aluminium tail guard, the actual ski BP could arguably be slightly forward anyway. Thanks Tom.
@@rohansyer9388 I really think that the balance point pin line mounting on cross country skis was a general rule of thumb for good kick and glide performance, based on XC ski design for skis with minimal side cut, and had little to do with turn performance. I sure wish that Fischer would provide their recommendations for mounting, and it should probably be related to boot center, especially if the intended use for the ski is for downhill performance. Please post back after you have had a season on your skis and give your thoughts on mounting them 3 cm forward (1.2 inches). Thanks for posting and have a great week.
So there’s a dude selling some 177 Hyper Vectors BC with with Voile switchback bindings. I had my eye set on the V6’s but the price is pretty good. What’s the difference as to the way those two skis compare and ski. What do you think would be better for someone looking for a proper downhill oriented ski that climbs and approaches well. Currently on to Karhu Karvers in 135 and Vokl Outbacks in 185 as my backcountry/uphilling quiver. Looking to split the difference. And buy some new skis for once. I live in NJ. Ski primarily in this state and Vermont. @160lbs and 5’6’ I feel it might be more ski than I really am looking for. No one sell these skis near me so I can’t compare them in person. What do you guys think?
The Voile Hyper V6 BC's are a great ski for my area (NW Wyoming). I haven't skied the Hyper Vectors, so I can't offer a real use comparison. I do have a friend who is skiing the Hyper Vectors as a backcountry AT setup. The skis are fairly similar, with the V6's having a slightly smaller turning radius. Voile will not warrant their hyper series of skis when mounted with a telemark binding. You should probably call Voile and discuss your expectations and see which ski they recommend. You might also call the Freeheel Life telemark shop in Salt Lake and get their thoughts as well. For an East Coast perspective, I'd post this question on the telemarktalk.com forum. I know there are several members who have both skis in their quiver and would be able to offer their thoughts as well. I haven't had any problems with my Hyper V6's and the Switchback X2 binding. The ski in my opinion is just amazing, and I've skied it in all kinds of snow conditions except resort ice.
@@tomm9850 Yeah just been reading up, in variable snow conditions (bad snow days) which is mostly what we get around here, consensus on the web is that the Vectors would be a better choice and a better ski at the resort where I do spend allot of time. Thanks for the advice.
Tom, o you feel like the 173cm Voile is bit shorter for you vs their 177cm model ? I can fit (weight wised) on those two lengths and wonder how you like the 173cm is too short ?
I've only skied the 173 cm version of the Hyper V6, but I do ski the Voile Objective at 178 cm. They don't feel too short for me, but I'm only 68 inches tall ( 173 cm). If I was taller or heavier, I'd would have picked a longer version. I really love the ski for the generally soft snow conditions we have here in Northwest Wyoming. A longer ski might offer a bit more stability at high speed or on harder snow, so that might weigh into your choice. Just by coincidence, I'm skiing my Hyper v6's in my video that releases tomorrow (2/4). If you do pick up a pair, let me know how well they work out for you.
@@tomm9850 Thanks for the info ! I will certainty check out the video tomorrow. Do you think the V6 can do well with just the lowest end Voile 3 pin with cable ? I would imagine the V6 is in a different category vs your Fischer T78 and S-bound 125 ??
@@Luckystudio13 The Fischer S-Bound 125 and the Hyper V6 are very different skis. Voile does not warrant the ski with any binding other than an AT binding. The problem with the simple 3 pin Voile binding is that it is mounted with only 3 screws. If you ever plan to ski with a plastic boot or if you are a very aggressive or heavy skier, then it might be a good idea to jump up to the traverse or hardwire binding, as they are mounted with 4 screws. But even with 4 screws, Voile is worried that an aggressive tele skier might pull a binding out. I bought my Hyper V6's and mounted them with the Switchback X2's before this issue popped up. So far, I have not had any issues with my setup, which uses 4 screws. The Hyper V6 is a fairly wide ski and I think that it would do best when paired with a sturdy boot, one with ample lateral stiffness. That tends to rule out most soft boots, but I think a boot like the Scarpa T4 or the older T3 would be fine. I'm skiing mine with the T2. If the conditions were ideal (soft snow, mellow terrain), they would be skiable with a softer boot, but for those conditions, I think the Objective is a better choice.
Would be interested to know your thoughts on the grip of the two different waxless patterns after more time on them. I have a 5 year old pair of Rossignol BC 90’s which I can’t tell the difference between their pattern vs the voile. After getting passed on the uphill by people on Fisher skis it leaves me wondering if they grip better.
I have two sets of Voile BC skis, the Hyper V6 BC and the Objective BC, and several sets of Fischer waxless skis. Most people claim that Fischer has the best waxless pattern, but in my non scientific tests, my Voile skis have good grip under most snow conditions. Check out this video where I compare the grip and slip of the SBound 125's vs Voile Objective BC skis. ruclips.net/video/d1fyB_lce9Q/видео.html In this test I couldn't tell the difference between the two as far as grip. The Fischers made more noise when sliding downhill and they may have had a slight edge as to glide. It's important to note however that the camber and shape of the two skis are very different, even though the width and length are similar. Another factor that comes into play is the bottom treatment. I can really notice a difference between the grip and glide of my "waxless" skis after I have applied a liquid glide wax, so if your's are waxed for glide and the other skiers were untreated, they will have a lot more grip on the climb. Did you notice if the Fischer skiers were using easy skins? The easy skins work like magic on the uphill and I use them all the time on my Sbound 98's when I'm on a long sustained climb. My wife skied a pair of Rossignol waxless skis, the BC 70's for a couple of years (circa 2010). She often complained that they didn't grip very well, especially in heavy wet new fallen snow. I tried them a few times and they seemed fine to me, so I suspect that they were a bit too long for her weight. She has moved on from those skis and is now skiing a set of Fischer Excursion 88's, in a shorter length. In her case, the shorter Fischer ski climbs better and does not lack for glide. That's an important thing to consider. If you are sizing up in ski length for extra glide, then you can expect a reduction in the grip and traction. Sometimes it's hard to find the perfect length for glide and grip.
Tom M thanks for the informative reply. I haven’t waxed them in a long time hoping they would climb better and descend slower as I had a softer boot and less turning power. I found a super deal on a T4 boot which give me a lot more control going downhill but the climbing is still challenging (I basically have to herringbone up everything). So I’m trying to decide if I should just invest in skins for my skis or look at buying some different skis. I’m interested in the Fisher 110 or the volies you have.
The T4's are a powerful boot and can drive a wide "downhill" oriented ski like the Voile Objective. Rossignol's BC 90 and Fischer's SBound line of skis are very different from the Voile line of skis. My Objectives turn like a dream, but they won't track as straight, or be as fast on the flats as a ski with a center groove and stiffer camber, and they are also very expensive. If you are happy with the all round performance of your Rossignol BC 90's, and their only shortcoming for you is lack of grip on long uphill sections, you might try using a skin. If the Rossignol's just are not doing the job for you on the downhill either, then it's probably time to look at other alternatives.
When asked this question, the most common answer would be that a rigid plastic shell boot is primarily a "downhill boot". On the other end of the spectrum, a soft flexible boot would generally be considered a "cross country" boot. The problem with this generality is that all XC skiing includes some downhill. There are many different "off trail" boots. Some are focused mainly on fast touring in rolling terrain with an occasional downhill, while other "off trail" boots focus mainly on the downhill aspect but still allow for mobility on the flats. In general, a light flexible boot is faster on the flats and a rigid boot provides more downhill control. You can ski downhill with light and flexible boots, just like you can move about on the flats with a heavy rigid boot. I ski lots of different types of terrain and that is why I have 4 sets of skis and 3 different boots. Many get by with just 2 sets, one set for downhill use and another for all other off trail skiing. Others who are mainly interested in skiing in rolling terrain can probably get by with one set of gear. I have 3 different boots; a hard shell plastic boot, the Scarpa T2, that I use when the main focus is downhill skiing in difficult terrain, a soft sided boot, Rossignol BX-12, when the focus is downhill skiing in moderate terrain, and the Alfa Skarvet when the focus is skiing rolling terrain. In this video I'm skiing the Scarpa T2 with the Voile Switchback X2 telemark binding and Voile V6 BC skis. My skiing partners are skiing AT (Alpine touring) setups. AT setups are a whole different category used by those who prefer Alpine type skiing (the ability to ski with the heel locked to the ski). Check out this link telemarktalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1723 There are boots specific to each type of free heel skiing. Also check out this link ruclips.net/video/U8HfoiZNLK0/видео.html ORS is no longer in business and the information is 5 years old, but it is still worth watching. The only gear in the ORS video that I'm currently using is the Fischer SBound 98. I've also owned the Fischer BCX 675, Scarpa T4, and Alpina 1575 boots, but no longer ski those boots.
I wonder if anyones invented fish scales we can epoxy on to any ski base .... cut them to width and length , glue them on and giver a go !! then you could turn any down hill or back country ski into one of these ....... I would very much like that !
That's an interesting idea. I've read where a few people used a steady hand and a dremel tool to cut a pattern in an old pair of skis ruclips.net/video/aR9iLfyAiNE/видео.html It might be worth a try but you would have to be willing to toss the skis if it didn't work out as expected. The ski manufacturers have gone through a long learning process to perfect their scale pattern to offer grip and acceptable glide.
Huge difference between the Voile Hyper and the Fischer S-Bound 125 skis. The soft flex and control is easy to see from the superb video. As helpful as the video is to "watch", the "sound" of the ski is just as telling. Music to my ears. I tense up on every icy patch, and melt into the silence of soft powder trail sections. Very helpful in understanding how the ski/boot/binding handles the specific conditions. I appreciate the extra effort it takes to mix that sound into the video tracks.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. Most of the time, the wind noise on the video is overwhelming so I tend to mute them and dub in a soundtrack. Every now and then, things work out and I get a great audio capture of the sound of the snow and the ski. Next weeks video features one of those magical soundscapes where I'm skiing on the Voile V6's. Keep an eye out for it. Its one you will want to listen to with headphones. :)
@@tomm9850 Sony cameras have an inexpensive modification to reduce wind noise. Search youtube for "wind reduction SONY FDR-X3000
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Hey Tom. I’m just about to mount a pair of voile witchbacks on a pair of Fischer 125’s. Length 165. Planning on going up to 3cm forward of balance point.
Mid pint of ski is 1cm forward of BP.
From measuring at least 6+ sets of Tele skis the Majority of pin lines are on MP of ski.
Altai comms (v similar shaped ski) recommended pin line is 75mm forward of BP.
User is a conservative Skiier. Not much powder skiing, so forward is the go.
What’s your thoughts. Appreciated. Cheers
Rohan. Australia.
I mounted my Switchback X2's using Voile's paper template with their pin line on the balance point of my S-Bound 125. I really didn't give it much thought at the time, it was just the way I had always mounted my Cross Country Skis. I've also skied SB 125's with a 3 pin binding on the balance point and I was happy with that position as well. I think you are wise to consider other options and 1 cm forward is pretty darn close, probably not enough to make a dramatic difference in how the ski feels. Most Alpine downhill skis use a boot center position and when I mount them up, the pin line tends to be a bit forward of the balance point of the ski given my shoe size. The SB 125's are in the middle ground area of ski design, a cross country downhill ski, but I think you will be happy mounting yours in either location.
@@tomm9850 Tom. Your reply very much appreciated for additional confirmation. I went with 3cm forward of BP, comfortable with that given it is only 2cm forward of mid point. (My new point of reference given so many pin lines, all mounted by different people, have been on ski centre - which also included skis mounted for boot centre) With the SB125 skis having a chunky aluminium tail guard, the actual ski BP could arguably be slightly forward anyway.
Thanks Tom.
@@rohansyer9388 I really think that the balance point pin line mounting on cross country skis was a general rule of thumb for good kick and glide performance, based on XC ski design for skis with minimal side cut, and had little to do with turn performance. I sure wish that Fischer would provide their recommendations for mounting, and it should probably be related to boot center, especially if the intended use for the ski is for downhill performance. Please post back after you have had a season on your skis and give your thoughts on mounting them 3 cm forward (1.2 inches). Thanks for posting and have a great week.
So there’s a dude selling some 177 Hyper Vectors BC with with Voile switchback bindings. I had my eye set on the V6’s but the price is pretty good. What’s the difference as to the way those two skis compare and ski. What do you think would be better for someone looking for a proper downhill oriented ski that climbs and approaches well. Currently on to Karhu Karvers in 135 and Vokl Outbacks in 185 as my backcountry/uphilling quiver. Looking to split the difference. And buy some new skis for once.
I live in NJ. Ski primarily in this state and Vermont. @160lbs and 5’6’ I feel it might be more ski than I really am looking for.
No one sell these skis near me so I can’t compare them in person.
What do you guys think?
The Voile Hyper V6 BC's are a great ski for my area (NW Wyoming). I haven't skied the Hyper Vectors, so I can't offer a real use comparison. I do have a friend who is skiing the Hyper Vectors as a backcountry AT setup. The skis are fairly similar, with the V6's having a slightly smaller turning radius. Voile will not warrant their hyper series of skis when mounted with a telemark binding. You should probably call Voile and discuss your expectations and see which ski they recommend. You might also call the Freeheel Life telemark shop in Salt Lake and get their thoughts as well. For an East Coast perspective, I'd post this question on the telemarktalk.com forum. I know there are several members who have both skis in their quiver and would be able to offer their thoughts as well. I haven't had any problems with my Hyper V6's and the Switchback X2 binding. The ski in my opinion is just amazing, and I've skied it in all kinds of snow conditions except resort ice.
@@tomm9850 Yeah just been reading up, in variable snow conditions (bad snow days) which is mostly what we get around here, consensus on the web is that the Vectors would be a better choice and a better ski at the resort where I do spend allot of time. Thanks for the advice.
Tom, o you feel like the 173cm Voile is bit shorter for you vs their 177cm model ? I can fit (weight wised) on those two lengths and wonder how you like the 173cm is too short ?
I've only skied the 173 cm version of the Hyper V6, but I do ski the Voile Objective at 178 cm. They don't feel too short for me, but I'm only 68 inches tall ( 173 cm). If I was taller or heavier, I'd would have picked a longer version. I really love the ski for the generally soft snow conditions we have here in Northwest Wyoming. A longer ski might offer a bit more stability at high speed or on harder snow, so that might weigh into your choice. Just by coincidence, I'm skiing my Hyper v6's in my video that releases tomorrow (2/4). If you do pick up a pair, let me know how well they work out for you.
@@tomm9850 Thanks for the info ! I will certainty check out the video tomorrow. Do you think the V6 can do well with just the lowest end Voile 3 pin with cable ? I would imagine the V6 is in a different category vs your Fischer T78 and S-bound 125 ??
@@Luckystudio13 The Fischer S-Bound 125 and the Hyper V6 are very different skis. Voile does not warrant the ski with any binding other than an AT binding. The problem with the simple 3 pin Voile binding is that it is mounted with only 3 screws. If you ever plan to ski with a plastic boot or if you are a very aggressive or heavy skier, then it might be a good idea to jump up to the traverse or hardwire binding, as they are mounted with 4 screws. But even with 4 screws, Voile is worried that an aggressive tele skier might pull a binding out. I bought my Hyper V6's and mounted them with the Switchback X2's before this issue popped up. So far, I have not had any issues with my setup, which uses 4 screws. The Hyper V6 is a fairly wide ski and I think that it would do best when paired with a sturdy boot, one with ample lateral stiffness. That tends to rule out most soft boots, but I think a boot like the Scarpa T4 or the older T3 would be fine. I'm skiing mine with the T2. If the conditions were ideal (soft snow, mellow terrain), they would be skiable with a softer boot, but for those conditions, I think the Objective is a better choice.
Would be interested to know your thoughts on the grip of the two different waxless patterns after more time on them. I have a 5 year old pair of Rossignol BC 90’s which I can’t tell the difference between their pattern vs the voile. After getting passed on the uphill by people on Fisher skis it leaves me wondering if they grip better.
I have two sets of Voile BC skis, the Hyper V6 BC and the Objective BC, and several sets of Fischer waxless skis. Most people claim that Fischer has the best waxless pattern, but in my non scientific tests, my Voile skis have good grip under most snow conditions. Check out this video where I compare the grip and slip of the SBound 125's vs Voile Objective BC skis. ruclips.net/video/d1fyB_lce9Q/видео.html In this test I couldn't tell the difference between the two as far as grip. The Fischers made more noise when sliding downhill and they may have had a slight edge as to glide. It's important to note however that the camber and shape of the two skis are very different, even though the width and length are similar. Another factor that comes into play is the bottom treatment. I can really notice a difference between the grip and glide of my "waxless" skis after I have applied a liquid glide wax, so if your's are waxed for glide and the other skiers were untreated, they will have a lot more grip on the climb. Did you notice if the Fischer skiers were using easy skins? The easy skins work like magic on the uphill and I use them all the time on my Sbound 98's when I'm on a long sustained climb. My wife skied a pair of Rossignol waxless skis, the BC 70's for a couple of years (circa 2010). She often complained that they didn't grip very well, especially in heavy wet new fallen snow. I tried them a few times and they seemed fine to me, so I suspect that they were a bit too long for her weight. She has moved on from those skis and is now skiing a set of Fischer Excursion 88's, in a shorter length. In her case, the shorter Fischer ski climbs better and does not lack for glide. That's an important thing to consider. If you are sizing up in ski length for extra glide, then you can expect a reduction in the grip and traction. Sometimes it's hard to find the perfect length for glide and grip.
Tom M thanks for the informative reply. I haven’t waxed them in a long time hoping they would climb better and descend slower as I had a softer boot and less turning power. I found a super deal on a T4 boot which give me a lot more control going downhill but the climbing is still challenging (I basically have to herringbone up everything). So I’m trying to decide if I should just invest in skins for my skis or look at buying some different skis. I’m interested in the Fisher 110 or the volies you have.
The T4's are a powerful boot and can drive a wide "downhill" oriented ski like the Voile Objective. Rossignol's BC 90 and Fischer's SBound line of skis are very different from the Voile line of skis. My Objectives turn like a dream, but they won't track as straight, or be as fast on the flats as a ski with a center groove and stiffer camber, and they are also very expensive. If you are happy with the all round performance of your Rossignol BC 90's, and their only shortcoming for you is lack of grip on long uphill sections, you might try using a skin. If the Rossignol's just are not doing the job for you on the downhill either, then it's probably time to look at other alternatives.
Thank you very mutch for your intersting review..
Glad you liked it!
I am confused on the different boots and how to tell a cross country hard boot from a downhill boot? Thank you in advance.
When asked this question, the most common answer would be that a rigid plastic shell boot is primarily a "downhill boot". On the other end of the spectrum, a soft flexible boot would generally be considered a "cross country" boot. The problem with this generality is that all XC skiing includes some downhill. There are many different "off trail" boots. Some are focused mainly on fast touring in rolling terrain with an occasional downhill, while other "off trail" boots focus mainly on the downhill aspect but still allow for mobility on the flats. In general, a light flexible boot is faster on the flats and a rigid boot provides more downhill control. You can ski downhill with light and flexible boots, just like you can move about on the flats with a heavy rigid boot. I ski lots of different types of terrain and that is why I have 4 sets of skis and 3 different boots. Many get by with just 2 sets, one set for downhill use and another for all other off trail skiing. Others who are mainly interested in skiing in rolling terrain can probably get by with one set of gear. I have 3 different boots; a hard shell plastic boot, the Scarpa T2, that I use when the main focus is downhill skiing in difficult terrain, a soft sided boot, Rossignol BX-12, when the focus is downhill skiing in moderate terrain, and the Alfa Skarvet when the focus is skiing rolling terrain. In this video I'm skiing the Scarpa T2 with the Voile Switchback X2 telemark binding and Voile V6 BC skis. My skiing partners are skiing AT (Alpine touring) setups. AT setups are a whole different category used by those who prefer Alpine type skiing (the ability to ski with the heel locked to the ski). Check out this link telemarktalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1723 There are boots specific to each type of free heel skiing. Also check out this link ruclips.net/video/U8HfoiZNLK0/видео.html ORS is no longer in business and the information is 5 years old, but it is still worth watching. The only gear in the ORS video that I'm currently using is the Fischer SBound 98. I've also owned the Fischer BCX 675, Scarpa T4, and Alpina 1575 boots, but no longer ski those boots.
I wonder if anyones invented fish scales we can epoxy on to any ski base .... cut them to width and length , glue them on and giver a go !! then you could turn any down hill or back country ski into one of these ....... I would very much like that !
That's an interesting idea. I've read where a few people used a steady hand and a dremel tool to cut a pattern in an old pair of skis
ruclips.net/video/aR9iLfyAiNE/видео.html It might be worth a try but you would have to be willing to toss the skis if it didn't work out as expected. The ski manufacturers have gone through a long learning process to perfect their scale pattern to offer grip and acceptable glide.