Port Fees Increasing on July 1st: Cruising in Australia is Broken
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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The Australian Cruise Industry is in a bad state, and things aren't getting better. Fees are set to rise come July 1, 2024, contributing further to an already shrinking local industry.
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Here are links to both petitions!
www.change.org/LowerPortFees
www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN6353
Who could blame the cruise lines for ditching Australia, they will go where they are wanted no question
Its insane at the prices the Cruise Lines have to pay & as you said the most expensive, what is wrong with this Government increasing these fees 🤬
I think we will all be flying somewhere to start a cruise in the close future. Probably a good idea anyway , only so many times to go around the usual ports near us. Thanks for the enduring angryness Adrian. Cheers, Brian.
haha thanks for watching, I promise I'm generally not angry 🤣
That sadly eliminates those who sail now , and can’t afford to fly and sail , the average Aussies
Better than Sydney and its destinations in the south pacific is Asia, Mediterranean, South America.
Loved seeing Hong Kong, Singapore, Chile, Venice and Greek islands,and med in general.
This place overrated.
Wow I never knew how steep these port fees are.
Pretty steep, and it's us who pays!
The deeper we go on this subject ... the crazier (& more costly) it gets
Why don’t government subsidies port charges in lieu of the economic benefits for each port of call. If cruises are cancelled the port towns or cities lose millions!! It’s a crazy business model for the governments to follow.
That type of thinking requires foresight and planning 🫣
Absolutely agree. The Queensland government has subsidised the movie industry for years which has attracted many big budget movies to film QLD. This has huge benefits to local business, industries and employment and not just in directly related industries.
Great information Adrian. Well stated.
Thanks!
Imagine the financial bonanza Oz would enjoy if we removed all of these insidious fees.
I'm devastated by this. I just joined the cruise community and having less local options is not great.
Wow that explains why cruises are so expensive
I understand now
Thank you for speaking out about the state of the Australian Cruise Industry though Adrian! We need more people like you... maybe then we'll see some change
Australia is truly broken in so many ways...
The issue in Sydney is that during peak tourist season they didn't have enough ports to put all the ships. There were two ships in Rozelle, one in Circular Quay and another one just sitting around near the zoo which isn't really a cruise ship terminal. The terminal in Rozelle can't fit the big cruise ships.
Yes, they want less cruise ships coming until there is a place to put a 4th cruise ship. Someone was suggesting Wollongong.
Great work Adrian. Stay ANGRY!!!!
Thank you for informing us about cruising costs. Australian government clearly is
against cruising and boasts about job creations .
Love cruising thank you God bless.
Typical, biting of the hand that feeds them!!!
im angry at the cost of cruising, i just looked at a princess cruse for 2025 and honestly, with this much planneing i can fly oversea - prices are crazy
Trying to get the last oink out of the pig.
Even cargo ships of foreign companies can't move local cargo between say Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne.
It's either road,rail or a Australian ship and they are very rare.
The pirates used to be at sea. These days the pirates are on land, in swivel chairs.
Should someone remind them what happened to the Golden Goose? Maybe that's you Adrian! :-/
The plot thickens. No wonder some cruise lines are dropping Australia's two major ports. With this is the flow-on effect on regional ports whose economies also suffer. Like you 'I'm Angry' that no reductions have occurred.
So the Explorer canceled ports will still need to be paid 😳.
Oh... ah good point. I imagine they would... 🙃
It is unbelievable! A sign of the times much like city councils.
This so upsetting
I didn’t realise just how much the government was charging. I wouldn’t blame the cruise companies if they packed up and didn’t visit Australia at all.
I think the real reason Virgin cruises said they would not come to Australia any more is not only the distance , it is the costs. It makes me think about airlines.
It's about time our governments stopped trying to run the country/state as a for profit business, and also think beyond the next election. Makes me wonder if they're genuinely stupid or just don't care and see the dollar signs...which will go down as the local cruise industry dies off.
Agree with comments on port charges being high in Australia. The article you referred to makes interesting reading. I understand that the cruise industry was almost lost during the pandemic, but I would be happy if I could get a return of 9% on my money at the moment. From my reading I would not think the Australian cruise scene will improve in the near future and we will see less ships so companies can operate more efficiently. Talking about port fees we have a cruise booked for next year that was calling into 4 ports in Norway. Yet to see any fare change as a result of 2 cancelled ports 15 months out. Australia might not the only place there are issues with port fees.
I sent an email as well and your 1st angry video to ACA. It is definitely worth covering .
Thank you
Federal, State and local Governments have a policy of automatically indexing many many Government fees and fines each year i.e. State Roads, property transfers etc etc. Their rational for this action is for inflation, to ensure the value of fees and fines is maintained. Port fees fall under this indexed criterion, and will continue to rise on the 1st July each year.
Yep, like commercial agreements. Not questioning the price rise - questioning the whole thing. Hope that’s clear.
It’s just plain and simple greed +++++ by Australian port authorities. Looks like our cruising is coming to an end. The ships will just go elsewhere where the fees are more reasonable. 😡😡😡😡😡😢😢
Hi Adrian
I did read most comments and people simply saying ah we fly to another country to go cruising I think noy many people done the costs involved specially if you have 2 kids it's impossible to do it family of 4 flying international and staying in hotels including taxi s food etc can't be done I did fly to Sydney to catch pacific adventure last year only 2 of us at a cost of 2000$ plus easy to say it but only can be done on a premium
Wow! I’m shocked at the cost! If cruise lines are driven away (which, as we know, is already happening) due to the high cost of operating then the Port authorities’ income will be nil! It’s just basic economics, like a row of shops standing empty due to the high rents, rental income zero! Half the costs to make it more attractive for cruise lines to operate here and you will have a healthy, thriving industry and all the benefits it brings to local economies. Maybe I’m over simplifying but these are my thoughts.
Looking at my next booking, fare is AUD 2180 from Sydney to NZ later this year. Taxes fees and port expenses AUD 702 (32.2% of cruise fare) which significantly differs to AUD 47 (5.6% of fare) shown in this video.
Of course, each cruise is different depending on the ports visited. The example I showed is for a cruise to nowhere, so the only port fees are payable to NSW Port Authority. Your cruise will likely visit anywhere from 4-7 ports, and fees will be reflected as such.
It's probably not proffitable for the government so..........
The governments privatised the ports . What could go wrong .
If I see it right. The port fees are charged whether they are full or not. So if the cruise is not 100 percent the cruise company has to still pay the same price as if they were thus eating into that profit as well
I believe they charge based on the number of passengers that arrive onboard but they do have a minimum charge that applies to certain size ships.
The cruise industry relies on externalizing as many costs as possible onto the environment and the communities where they visit. When you consider foreign ownership, foreign-flagged vessels, and foreign crew, essentially the cruise industry is extracting money from the domestic Australian tourism economy and transferring it overseas. Policies that discourage cruise vacations in Australia make environmental and economic sense for Australia.
Interesting take. I’ve not read statistics that back that thinking, but if you have some studies to share please send them to adrian@thecruiseandtravelguy.com.au
@@TheCruiseandTravelGuy Cruise ships almost all burn heavy fuel oil and use scrubbers to remove sulfur from the stack emissions to meet IMO regulations. Scrubbers take the sulfur, along with some of the heavy metals and black soot and polyaromatic hydrocarbons (PaHs) and then the scrubber water is heavily diluted (industry calls it buffering) with sea water before being dumped into the ocean. This hot acidic toxic water is a cost of the industry choice to save money by burning the dirtiest of fuels. They can burned refined low sulfur marine gas oil and their emissions would meet IMO regulations without dumping toxins in the ocean. If they burn cleaner fuel, they can also install fine particulate filters on their stacks and that would reduce the ultrafine particulates (PM2.5) emitted in the stack. If you are only considering human health, that would mean less harm to passengers and crew on the ships and to those who live and work in the areas near where cruise ships dock. The NOx, SOx, and PM2.5 emitted from the stacks of diesel burning cruise ships are extremely bad for human health. Search diesel pollution and health for plenty of peer reviewed journal articles published in the past five years that show the harm is worse than previously understood and lower levels of pollutants than previously thought (legal levels are not protective).
Now, the cruise ships could plug into shore power when tied up at docks. If shore power hookups and power are available. The cruise industry has relied on governments to provide the power and the hookups, not choosing to pay upfront for those costs themselves, even though their ships are 100% the source of the massive pollutants. They expect grants and subsidies to pay to reduce the harm they cause.
Cruise lines rely on public amenities in communities (think emergency medical, hospitals, roads, docks, toilets, trash and garbage, sidewalks, street cleaning, ....) and yet do not pay into the basic infrastructure that citizens must. The scale of the amenities required for a community is much different than that required when impacts of many thousands of non-residents is dumped into the community.
Read the annual reports of the publicly traded cruise holding companies (at their websites under SEC filings) to see that they make a point of noting that they pay little to no income taxes because they incorporate in tax havens and they avoid a lot of labor laws because they register their ships with flags of convenience.
Simple mathematics would suggest that Australia is heading rapidly to becoming a cruise free country. You could argue that these cruise lines are all foreign owned and thus the profits from Australian passengers go elsewhere but balanced against the mighty tourist dollars generated by cruise passengers I'd say we're doing okay. Surely this situation is a story worthy of main stream media. A bunch of tv reporters asking politicians difficult questions might suddenly bring about a change. There's nothing politicians will react to like losing votes.
Australian Ports are a disaster .... There used to be an efficient coastal shipping industry in Australia .... No more ..Everything is shipped by Congested Roads ..In addition , one sided Privatisation contracts of Ports means there is a single Container port in N$W ....Port Botany in $ydney ....the most congested City in the $tate ... It seems like in the biggest Island Continent on Earth that there is a WAR between Governments of the day & our Seafaring Industry ... Like everything in Australia .... We are paying the AUSTRALIA TAX !!!!! Land of the Highest Prices in the WORLD ...
An excellent video. Eventually Singapore will decimate our cruise industry as far as home basing goes. Fly/cruise on Scoot is the future.
Let's be honest Governments in Australia see the cruise industry as an environmental dinosaur that is fit for nothing but levies and charges
I think that we might see more of that, at least definitely an increase in fly/cruise travel.
The port fees are certainly an issue which the Govt can control but i think the issue is deeper as the Cruise companies simply pass on the fees and because demand is high we the customers will pay. The deeper issue is that Pax numbers are higher in the northern hemisphere and travel kilometeres are a lot less than downunder. The carnival boss said it was the Red Sea and other conflicts, which really is a smoke screen because generally Aus cruise ships alternate between here and the US and Alaska with no conflicts in the way , except of course some local interuptions at Vanuatu and the like. There is no doubt that the Aus market is profitable due to the ships always being at capacity but there is probably more bang for the buck over there. We have certain and good requirements over here which would also be unwanted pains for the Executives, such as no smoking and hull cleaning etc. We should not compromise those standards and i think the cruise line are just playing a game to see if they can screw us for a little more profit. Sad but the dollar god call the shots
Australia is an expensive country to do any business , our govts state / federal from both sides love a high tax
Red tape and high costs. A great combination.
Good to see the news this morning Disney has announced the Wonder will be back here for our 25/26 cruise season October thru to March
All of these government regulations fees taxes charges who else are they going to hit,
CruiseLine's Flights , tours travel are more expensive here , looks like we will become a
prison colony for most of us as they hit the housing market hard electricity and----.
have you considered buying your own boat and starting a cruise line?
Haha I don’t know that I’m ready for that!
Interesting that cruise lines don’t pass on the full port fees. If the fees go higher they won’t have a choice but to pass this on.
My rudimentary maths makes it look like they don’t pass them all on, but I don’t know for sure. Either way, the costs are borne by us, and then we don’t spend as much onboard or while travelling and the cycle continues…
Keep fighting mate. We'll back you.
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The governments wont listen to the public getting between them and a cash cow. But they might listen to the unions involved in port side work involving a cruise ship. Dockhands involved in both loading and uploading the ship, and the customs personnel for a start. Never mind all the wholesale businesses supplying each ship with food and booze. No ships means no work, which will mean no jobs in very short order, which will mean disgruntled unions.
We do enjoy our cruises to the islands every year, but our next target will be South America, and later Europe. If the island cruises disappear, we will switch to flights to the various islands, so we wont miss out, but lots of other workers will.
No jobs, means less tax payers, and more people on welfare.
They not only loose the cruise ships, they loose tax $ from the people and businesses, and increase their own spending.
Seriously, they can’t think past first base.
why would you want to cruise in australia doesn't feel like a holiday i always fly out to europe
Think of it another way: some people get their first taste of international travel by cruising from close to home. It's also an affordable family holiday for many who can't afford to purchase return flights to Europe.
While I love flying overseas to cruise or travel on land, it isn't an option for everyone. I've never known more choice to be a bad thing.
It has zero to do with port fees as passengers are levied that unless the cruiselines lie about adding taxes and fees. This is about the red sea and conflict tgat is limiting repositioning. And NZ banning ships for not drycleaning their hulls
It doesn’t have zero to do with port fees - trust and believe. As I noted in the video, passengers do pay these. But you’re right in that there is more to it. Watch my earlier video to learn more. It’s a complex puzzle and over-regulation is the biggest piece, I believe.
would like to sighn your petition,pls provide a link
Thanks! Government petition for Australian residents/citizens is here www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN6353
And Change petition for everyone is here: www.change.org/LowerPortFees
Very interesting, thank you. We did an East Coast cruise in March on the Grand Princess. We were floating on anchor over the other side of the harbour and did tendering to the Opera House. Our big surprise was the security guards everywhere saying we can't go on the Opera House steps or up the side or down to the road leading to the bridge. We asked why, they said, you are in transit only. We all laughed and said we are Australian Citizens and 95% of the ship was. Everyone just walked around and past them. In the end, there were people all over the Opera House, and the guards had given up. What a waste of money for their time. It was Good Friday, so imagine the hourly rate. Have you heard of this before? Thanks.
That is an absolute joke.
We came in on the Pacific Adventure, Good Friday 2024 to dock at White Bay, it was abysmal disembarkation, worst ever…..don’t actually know who was at fault P & O internal or Immigration, lack of staff etc., either way it was one big clusterfuck. People missed connections, we were stood in line for hours. It was okay for Australians, most of us copped it sweet, but did not show Australia in a good light at all for international passengers. We may think we live in the lucky country, whilst looking like incompetent fools to others.
Not looking good at all for the domestic cruise industry here in Australia.Cruise companies can easily raise the anchor and say goodbye see ya later.!
The public(govt)sector elite ruling class socio-economic group need it so they can afford more visits to their oxygen bars etc etc
It's like our government doesn't want people to come to Australia for tourism... these port fees are ridiculous, maybe if our government was spending money more wisely, they'd have more money to pump into investing into better infrastructure for Sydney/Australia to dock more cruise ships, but instead they build things noone cares about or asked for like the Sydney Metro. It's no wonder why they need to charge exorbitant fees cause they need to recuperate their costs somehow.
Cancellation should works this way, whatever the cruise was charged will be refunded in full if there is another cruise fills the spot.
When you say "government" are we talking the NSW State government or Federal?
Both. State government for port fees, federal government for the exemption related to intra-port cruising in Australia.
@@TheCruiseandTravelGuy OK, cool. When the petition getup, I'm ready to sign!
Everything in Australia is broken at this time 😢
Do you have to be vaccinated to cruise within Australia
No
No, that's no longer required (or checked) and was only enforced during the initial start up phase when cruising first returned and for a period of time after.
its a gov cash cow
Easy, fly to another country to pick up a cruise. Australia looses out, and frankly I no longer care.
Govts loss, cruise companies will go elsewhere, with no one paying these made up high port fees lol