Such good content Tony. Seems like you have been so dialed in lately. No other content creater is bringing this kind of info. I wish nothing but the best and count me in for signing up for you paid option on TGD
@@jamief1263 Yea they reduced the number of shots but it takes like 18 shots to kill that only reduced it to 17 shots if the number of shots is super high and you don’t reduced it by a good amount the buff was useless when you have other guns that are just as accurate that kill in less shots now if every gun takes M13 time to kill it becomes a really good gun
Great points! Another big factor for average or below average players is recoil, damage output & ttk doesn't matter if you can't hit those shots, which is why guns like the M13 remain popular & can compete with higher damage output guns
Great info today as always! I feel like this helps explain why it feels like your “meta” weapon gets out gunned some times. Keep up the great work, fan for life!
I'm loving this original and high value content Tony! Such a nice change to other content creators that put clickbait "the new fast killing gun" or "zero recoil" type videos out just for the sake of posting a video
There's an error at 1:42. The ttk isn't twice as long, but only 50% extra. If it takes 120ms to fire two bullets, surely it takes only 180ms to fire three? And again, at 400 health, IF it adds only one extra shot to kill, it's only additional 60ms. What am I missing?
Glad to see this breakdown. I have always used your dps values rather than the TTKs for my WZ builds because I tend to build on the basis of fighting opponents with full health (250). Since I am not the most accurate shooter (by far lol) knowing that missing shots skews TTKs so much I tended to rely more on the dps values. However, your explanation for using TTKs for lower health, and closer opponents has left me to do some thinking on my smg builds.
Im Confused. if a gun kills in 2 Shots and it takes 120ms. then the gun that kills at 3 Shots should be 180ms instead of 240 no? Wouldnt 240ms be 4 Shots?
You count the time from _after_ the first bullet is fired. Thus for 2 shots you calculate how long it takes for 1 bullet to go, after the first one has been fired. That means 3 shots you calculate for 2 bullets to be fired, and is such double the value of 2 bullets fired.
@@Rosineren Why not count the time for the first bullet to be fired as well if the first bullet is necessary to kill the target? If it takes 10 bullets for 1 gun to kill and 11 bullets for a different gun to kill we don't begin counting after the 10th bullet is fired.
@@Rosineren doesnt that give you inconsitencies when you want to compare 1 Bullet vs 2 bullets. i mean yes 1 Bullet is basically Instantly aside of BV but I feel like its just weird to not count the first one
A 1 shot kill would have a 0ms ttk (unless you include bullet velocity) 120ms is the time between shots in this example. so 1st shot fires then 120ms later 2nd shot fires then 120ms later 3rd shot fires etc. So there is no delay before the first shot but for every subsequent shot there is a 120ms delay. 1 shot kill = 0ms 2 shot kill = 120ms 3 shot kill = 240ms
If you use Frangible perk that slow health regen How long enemy will suppressed waiting their HP to regen ? I know it around twice ?!? (5.5 to 11s on multiplayer) on Iron trials it will be like ? 20s ? since TTK is less powerfull on higher HP, a "debuff" gunperk might be quite interesting to try
This is great info to think through! In addition to (or as part of?) your advanced ttk calculator, I'd love to see "real world" ttks for guns. i.e. going through gameplay and determining an average real world ttk. I think that'd be super interesting to compare against the standard ttk charts! You'd have to get similar sets of footage from a few different players but essentially you're looking at the average number of shots missed before landing the kill. Maybe clips where the players see an enemy first and aren't getting shot to make it as clean as possible?
Great video! when I started playing cod I was surprised everybody talked about ttk and not the actual dmg the gun does. btw. 4:46 you don't really play solos, do you? they could change the name of the mode to 3rd party BR.
Another thing to consider when looking at TTK, the Time we see in the charts are "best case scenarios". To be more realistic with the TTK expectation we should only compute for stomach and chest hits.
JackFrags sent me over here from a recent video. Apex servers shit the bed and have been bad for a couple seasons now. Im back on Warzone and can't wait to use what you have to teach here and implement it in game. Keep grinding. ✌
Reminds of the division 1 days when you had to get this deep into your builds. The extra variables and different health pools made it so other guns/builds could be viable. Theres things i like and things i dont like about iron trials. Its def an interesting take on WZ and look forward to them maybe bringing some of those aspects into the main mode. Thanks as always TGD. you the real MVP!
Thank you for the content! What low recoil gun would you recommend for ghost loadout using mouse and keyboard? Using M13 now as you talked about in a video some time ago, I know XM4 is also a good option
@@tomorpedreiro3032 grau kills faster than the xm4 all the way up to 50 meters. So, it kills faster for the majority of fights. Then it's far more accurate at long range. I have over a 3kd and just put up a nice 25 kill win with the grau. I'm willing to bet you're the bot between us.
I like the video and agree with the premise. Math is off for the ttk calculations though. Would be 240ms for gun 1 and gun 2 and then 360ms for gun 3 against 100 health. Obviously makes no sense to be twice as quick for 2 bullets compared to 3 bullets.
A 1 shot kill would have a 0ms ttk (unless you include bullet velocity) 120ms is the time between shots in this example. so 1st shot fires then 120ms later 2nd shot fires then 120ms later 3rd shot fires etc. So there is no delay before the first shot but for every subsequent shot there is a 120ms delay. 1 shot kill = 0ms 2 shot kill = 120ms 3 shot kill = 240ms
The first bullet is basically counted as 0. Because the first bullet is fired as soon as you push a button. The time between bullets starts after the first bullet. So, the second bullet is after the first break between shots, the third bullet being after the second break between shots. That’s why it’s double.
The explains my feelings towards the PKM. I'd see the insane ttk's and feel like I gotta try it. But then in practice it felt worse than my favorite gun (Bruen). Dps is actually lower than the Bruen after 50m. Makes a lot of sense now.
I always felt PKM was better personally but it has more initial visual kick. DPS only matters if they have little to no armor. Most important factor isn't ttk or DPS however, as if you miss only 1 bullet and different part of the body your TTK/ DPS goes down dramatically so accuracy is still the most important factor. There's a reason why every dominant Warzone gun ever had low recoil but not necessarily best TTK
The pkm and bruen do the same damage in their second drop off, 28 to the body, 42 to the head, but the pkm has a slight neck multiplier and does 30 dmg there. Bruen is at 752 rpm, pkm is 750, you just aren’t going to notice the like 1 dps difference. What you might notice is that is the bruen is much more accurate than the pkm, less horizontal and visual recoil, so you’ll be hitting more shots more likely.
Nun of Dat matters if your centering is not on point..u can slide bunny hop a corner all u want u still gonna loose Dat fight if there's sumone there nd your centering is not on point..
The main difference is you can hit your shots with the m13. With higher health ttk matters a lot less; accuracy becomes much more important. Unfortunately the m13 has lower damage per mag than the c58 so it's all trade offs
Love the content you've been putting out! Also, not sure if you noticed but at 7:04 there is a high pitched pop, not sure if you were aware of this, but maybe something to lookout for in future videos? No idea what it could be, maybe microphone input cable was shifted a bit during the recording? Definitely loving the content though, keep it up!
love your work! absolutely. I recommended your site to all of my friends and now they think I'm paid by you. But I gotta ask a real question here. What about MW weapons on Warzone? I dont plan to buy Cold War and Vanguard, so I can't level up weapons as fast because I don't play 24/7. Are MW Weapons still viable in Warzone? i.e. primary Bruen secondary CX-9? I dont' really care about meta anymore. keep up the great work!
TTK feels a lot like casting time in WoW. DPS is the superior measure for sure and I'm grateful that you have both in your site. I've been using DPS almost from the beginning, thanks for talking about this
i get it, but i think a big problem is a lot of people don’t really have a sense of how dps translates into the game, like if someone says to me being an american that something is 30ft away or 10m away, i dont really have a sense of how far 10m is even tho it’s almost the same. Obviously i can get used to using dps but i think you could just use both and show 2 graphs
Gun1 & Gun2 do 50 damage a bullet, means 2 bullets to kill 100 HP on 120ms --> 1 bullet = 60ms Gun3 needs 3 bullets to get the 100 HP, how is that doubed to 240 instead of just extra 60ms (180ms)?
yes plz ive asked for this!! dps in general leads to the ttks you allways talk about so they are the source, and with or without attatchments caus i realy feel stuff is soo much different caus people dont allways run around with full plates.. and not all fights start of with plates you see? many fights you took dmg from one guy and then continue, so the ttk changes all the time depending on the targets current health situation. so if everything is dps its much more clear to track wich guns are actualy good in curtain situations. tnx Tdog :p
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Such good content Tony. Seems like you have been so dialed in lately. No other content creater is bringing this kind of info. I wish nothing but the best and count me in for signing up for you paid option on TGD
Because all other content creators steal this content and rebrand it as their own.. TGD all the way!! OG
I was thinking the same thing. Really dialed in is a good way to verbalize it, good shit Tony
I just heard the word “asymptote” in a COD video. Amazing!
I had to google it, i've never had to google a word in a cod video.
😳
Came here to comment on this as well!
These videos are just getting increasingly informative every time, I love this content. I can’t imagine where the cod community would be without you!
you're really turning this hobby into an art and a science. amazing, love your work dude
Asymptote is a word I haven’t heard in ages lol. Nice video.
I hope a lot of people see this, because I hear a lot of "they only nerfed/buffed a gun 1 damage." Well, 1 damage can mean a lot!
Yeah a while ago they buffed the m13 by 2, which basically reduced the number of shots by 1.
@@jamief1263 Yea they reduced the number of shots but it takes like 18 shots to kill that only reduced it to 17 shots if the number of shots is super high and you don’t reduced it by a good amount the buff was useless when you have other guns that are just as accurate that kill in less shots now if every gun takes M13 time to kill it becomes a really good gun
Great points! Another big factor for average or below average players is recoil, damage output & ttk doesn't matter if you can't hit those shots, which is why guns like the M13 remain popular & can compete with higher damage output guns
Great info today as always! I feel like this helps explain why it feels like your “meta” weapon gets out gunned some times. Keep up the great work, fan for life!
I'm loving this original and high value content Tony! Such a nice change to other content creators that put clickbait "the new fast killing gun" or "zero recoil" type videos out just for the sake of posting a video
Thanks for the analysis and comments: D
There's an error at 1:42. The ttk isn't twice as long, but only 50% extra. If it takes 120ms to fire two bullets, surely it takes only 180ms to fire three? And again, at 400 health, IF it adds only one extra shot to kill, it's only additional 60ms. What am I missing?
Exactly what I came here to see, I thought the same thing. 60ms per bullet so if it takes 3 bullets that's 180ms not 240ms!
Glad to see this breakdown. I have always used your dps values rather than the TTKs for my WZ builds because I tend to build on the basis of fighting opponents with full health (250). Since I am not the most accurate shooter (by far lol) knowing that missing shots skews TTKs so much I tended to rely more on the dps values. However, your explanation for using TTKs for lower health, and closer opponents has left me to do some thinking on my smg builds.
yo this guy gets me soo tired i can fall asleep to him lol
great content tho
Thank You for everything you do for the Community.
Im Confused. if a gun kills in 2 Shots and it takes 120ms. then the gun that kills at 3 Shots should be 180ms instead of 240 no? Wouldnt 240ms be 4 Shots?
You count the time from _after_ the first bullet is fired. Thus for 2 shots you calculate how long it takes for 1 bullet to go, after the first one has been fired.
That means 3 shots you calculate for 2 bullets to be fired, and is such double the value of 2 bullets fired.
@@Rosineren Why not count the time for the first bullet to be fired as well if the first bullet is necessary to kill the target? If it takes 10 bullets for 1 gun to kill and 11 bullets for a different gun to kill we don't begin counting after the 10th bullet is fired.
@@Rosineren doesnt that give you inconsitencies when you want to compare 1 Bullet vs 2 bullets. i mean yes 1 Bullet is basically Instantly aside of BV but I feel like its just weird to not count the first one
A 1 shot kill would have a 0ms ttk (unless you include bullet velocity) 120ms is the time between shots in this example. so 1st shot fires then 120ms later 2nd shot fires then 120ms later 3rd shot fires etc. So there is no delay before the first shot but for every subsequent shot there is a 120ms delay.
1 shot kill = 0ms
2 shot kill = 120ms
3 shot kill = 240ms
@@peterjohnson1379 The scenario's given in the video are not discussing any situation in which there's a 1 shot kill potential.
_Muscular man doing workout_
"He must be listening to heavy metal"
*Actually listening to TGD intro*
If you use Frangible perk that slow health regen
How long enemy will suppressed waiting their HP to regen ?
I know it around twice ?!? (5.5 to 11s on multiplayer)
on Iron trials it will be like ? 20s ?
since TTK is less powerfull on higher HP, a "debuff" gunperk might be quite interesting to try
Very good question. Opponent won't heal ever lol
DPS? TTK? IDK, all I know is Finn go Brrrrrrrrrr.
Or Finn go Br r r r r r r r
Thanks for all the hard work
Great stuff as always man, thank you!
I recommend you include an open bolt delay pop up for these guns.
For calculating open bolt delay couldn’t you just calculate what damage is for 950ms but then still show it as dps which it effectively would be
Appreciate the great work Tony. You deserve more subs and views!!
Makes sense. I always focus on ttk, but damage output and % of shots you can actually hit with that weapon are more important...
This is great info to think through! In addition to (or as part of?) your advanced ttk calculator, I'd love to see "real world" ttks for guns. i.e. going through gameplay and determining an average real world ttk. I think that'd be super interesting to compare against the standard ttk charts!
You'd have to get similar sets of footage from a few different players but essentially you're looking at the average number of shots missed before landing the kill. Maybe clips where the players see an enemy first and aren't getting shot to make it as clean as possible?
Great video! when I started playing cod I was surprised everybody talked about ttk and not the actual dmg the gun does.
btw.
4:46 you don't really play solos, do you? they could change the name of the mode to 3rd party BR.
Love the trend with the new youtube videos. Definitely hitting your stride
Another thing to consider when looking at TTK, the Time we see in the charts are "best case scenarios". To be more realistic with the TTK expectation we should only compute for stomach and chest hits.
Thanks you for the information Tony!
JackFrags sent me over here from a recent video. Apex servers shit the bed and have been bad for a couple seasons now. Im back on Warzone and can't wait to use what you have to teach here and implement it in game. Keep grinding. ✌
Your explanations are 🔥
Thanks for the great info, looking forward to everything to come buddy!
you are describing very tough topics like they are 2 + 2 = 4, brilliant work as always.
Been fire with the videos lately. Keep up the great content.
Ty
Thank you
Makes sense!
Dropping a comment for the algorithm. Keep up the good work!
Reminds of the division 1 days when you had to get this deep into your builds. The extra variables and different health pools made it so other guns/builds could be viable. Theres things i like and things i dont like about iron trials. Its def an interesting take on WZ and look forward to them maybe bringing some of those aspects into the main mode. Thanks as always TGD. you the real MVP!
could you cover the cx9? I think it’s very viable/maybe meta right now after the nerfs
Thank you for the content!
What low recoil gun would you recommend for ghost loadout using mouse and keyboard?
Using M13 now as you talked about in a video some time ago, I know XM4 is also a good option
All that matters is that the grau is one of the best weapons again and is being slept on
😂😂😂
@@TheBossMan2407 I guess you haven't seen the ttk chart or used it recently 🤣. I'll keep dropping 20+ kill wins with it don't worry
@@ominous5409 grau lmaooo, use xm4 bot
@@ominous5409 All the long range meta CW weapons kill faster than it at range.
@@tomorpedreiro3032 grau kills faster than the xm4 all the way up to 50 meters. So, it kills faster for the majority of fights. Then it's far more accurate at long range. I have over a 3kd and just put up a nice 25 kill win with the grau. I'm willing to bet you're the bot between us.
I like the video and agree with the premise. Math is off for the ttk calculations though. Would be 240ms for gun 1 and gun 2 and then 360ms for gun 3 against 100 health. Obviously makes no sense to be twice as quick for 2 bullets compared to 3 bullets.
A 1 shot kill would have a 0ms ttk (unless you include bullet velocity) 120ms is the time between shots in this example. so 1st shot fires then 120ms later 2nd shot fires then 120ms later 3rd shot fires etc. So there is no delay before the first shot but for every subsequent shot there is a 120ms delay.
1 shot kill = 0ms
2 shot kill = 120ms
3 shot kill = 240ms
Genuinely appreciate the explanation. I just couldn’t get my head around it. That makes sense though. Thanks!
Thanks professor
Dropped the "asymptote" 🤝 gangsta
Damn, great topics lately! Thank you
Another banger my man good shit
Thanks Dr True
Math genius
TTK sounds like it would be THE MOST Important thing to a Cheater… think people! Great video mane!!
Im in school and im still early, your the best Warzone youtuber im not even lying.
In the theoretical example, if 2 bullets take 120ms wouldnt 3 bullets take 180ms?
The first bullet is basically counted as 0. Because the first bullet is fired as soon as you push a button. The time between bullets starts after the first bullet. So, the second bullet is after the first break between shots, the third bullet being after the second break between shots. That’s why it’s double.
The explains my feelings towards the PKM. I'd see the insane ttk's and feel like I gotta try it. But then in practice it felt worse than my favorite gun (Bruen). Dps is actually lower than the Bruen after 50m. Makes a lot of sense now.
I always felt PKM was better personally but it has more initial visual kick. DPS only matters if they have little to no armor. Most important factor isn't ttk or DPS however, as if you miss only 1 bullet and different part of the body your TTK/ DPS goes down dramatically so accuracy is still the most important factor. There's a reason why every dominant Warzone gun ever had low recoil but not necessarily best TTK
The pkm and bruen do the same damage in their second drop off, 28 to the body, 42 to the head, but the pkm has a slight neck multiplier and does 30 dmg there. Bruen is at 752 rpm, pkm is 750, you just aren’t going to notice the like 1 dps difference. What you might notice is that is the bruen is much more accurate than the pkm, less horizontal and visual recoil, so you’ll be hitting more shots more likely.
I don’t understand why you’re not the biggest COD stats channel.
Was the RAM-7 nerfed to the ground or is it still a viable choice for a long range Assault Rifle? I haven’t played in 2 months.
Still very very good if you can control the recoil
They did a massive weapon nerfing to all the guns but the ram is viable
If you use a cronus like most streamers the ram7 is still top tier especially at long range
@@JL-fh4qw lmfao
@@JL-fh4qw ah so u suck at the game
Thanks Tony
Yo is that a Purdue jacket?? Boiler Up!!
Hi truegamdata I have a question, do sprint to fire times matter if you are always aiming down sights out of a sprint?
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I think its not but i would like to know too
Could you go over what is actually better between sliding/slide cancelling or jumpshotting when say turning a corner
Nun of Dat matters if your centering is not on point..u can slide bunny hop a corner all u want u still gonna loose Dat fight if there's sumone there nd your centering is not on point..
TTK is more important but DPS is something to consider if your going against multiple enemies
Agree
When your website will have shotgun comparator ?
What you think of the old faithful M4A1
Great content as always
Always love the videos, amazing as always Tony!
I feel this as well cuz the mw mp5 has the best ttk while the cx9 feels wayyy better & the ppsh as well.
With the higher health it could explain why the m13 might feel so good even compared to c58
The main difference is you can hit your shots with the m13. With higher health ttk matters a lot less; accuracy becomes much more important. Unfortunately the m13 has lower damage per mag than the c58 so it's all trade offs
Keep up the good content TGD! I love your videos more and more everyday!
As Always a GOAT work
Thank you.
Love the content you've been putting out! Also, not sure if you noticed but at 7:04 there is a high pitched pop, not sure if you were aware of this, but maybe something to lookout for in future videos? No idea what it could be, maybe microphone input cable was shifted a bit during the recording? Definitely loving the content though, keep it up!
You are a beast :)) lov u TGD
Follow up video idea: guns that are undervalued or overlooked that might not be the best ttk but have higher dps
Hitting your shots is more important. Which I don't do regularly. Lol
I enjoy your videos more than I enjoy playing the game. Jumped on after work today and died to a hacker in my first game of solos..
Liked and commented before even hitting play. Thanks TrueHatData
Thanks Tony, never really considered DPS before.
The 51/50/49 damage example is literally the FAL nerf in a nutshell (also the 500RPM cannot be a coincidence)
love your work! absolutely. I recommended your site to all of my friends and now they think I'm paid by you. But I gotta ask a real question here. What about MW weapons on Warzone? I dont plan to buy Cold War and Vanguard, so I can't level up weapons as fast because I don't play 24/7. Are MW Weapons still viable in Warzone? i.e. primary Bruen secondary CX-9? I dont' really care about meta anymore. keep up the great work!
Need some Vanguard opinions from you broski
You’ve been on your shit lately, Tony. I hope everything is going well behind the scenes.
Very interesting stats but recoil control is still the nr1 most important factor
That'll make a smg built amax possibly best sniper support?
Next level discussions taking place ONLY on this channel. 5Head topics.
I think personally the ttk does not matter
Why
Because accuracy damage per bullet and shots per minute are most important
great info thanks :)
I've been playing Quake for a while and all we care about there is DPS.. never even heard about TTK until I started playing warzone.
DPS seems like a better way, that way if I miss a shot, how much my next shot will matter. Thanks Data Friend!
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TTK feels a lot like casting time in WoW. DPS is the superior measure for sure and I'm grateful that you have both in your site. I've been using DPS almost from the beginning, thanks for talking about this
Wrong
does anyone know how to choose what gun to compare
i get it, but i think a big problem is a lot of people don’t really have a sense of how dps translates into the game, like if someone says to me being an american that something is 30ft away or 10m away, i dont really have a sense of how far 10m is even tho it’s almost the same. Obviously i can get used to using dps but i think you could just use both and show 2 graphs
I had been thinking this since the beginning but I never play solo so ttk never matched up for me
Good stuff
Gun1 & Gun2 do 50 damage a bullet, means 2 bullets to kill 100 HP on 120ms --> 1 bullet = 60ms
Gun3 needs 3 bullets to get the 100 HP, how is that doubed to 240 instead of just extra 60ms (180ms)?
In would love to see him perform a 5 factor Design of experiments to optimize guns for best TTK AR different ranges
This is the video we all need!!
Gun 3 ttk has to be 180ms at 100 health
DP Shit on vs TT oKay. Great vid Tony! Your example between AK and Stoner hints at why the Stoner is so consistent.
Is the rpd a viable gun now?
yes plz ive asked for this!! dps in general leads to the ttks you allways talk about so they are the source, and with or without attatchments caus i realy feel stuff is soo much different caus people dont allways run around with full plates.. and not all fights start of with plates you see? many fights you took dmg from one guy and then continue, so the ttk changes all the time depending on the targets current health situation. so if everything is dps its much more clear to track wich guns are actualy good in curtain situations. tnx Tdog :p
There's no difference between ak47 cw spetznaz grip a speztnaz speed grip? Your website looks like both has wrong stats
Some people: I use the guns with the best ttk
Other people: I use the guns with the highest dps
Me: Im using this gun today cause it looks sweet
Haaaaa bro. After my first few games on iron trials in Friday night I worked out that the faster firing guns felt better. So went ram7 mac10. Fried
Fast firing guns with low damage per bullet, can have a lower dps than high damage, slow fire. Eg EM2 has great dps, despite slow firerate.
@@Rosineren yeh the em2 is mega on that mode as long as you don't miss. I haven't ranked it up yet