Listen to your customers when designing internal fittings and make them as comfortable as the Inter City 125 Mk3 stock and you are on a winner. The old 222 Meridians should ideally be used on Liverpool to Norwich services this giving extra capacity.
Interesting video! Looking forward to seeing and riding them. I just hope there won't be any of those "window seats" with no window view like some of the existing Hitachi trains have.
Last time I looked Derby was in the East Midlands? It’s called having an industrial strategy, investing in areas and communities that have the expertise and resources rather than just subsidising foreign owners who will export their profits and leave when the money ends.
Will there be a proper bike storage area on these trains or are you going to continue limiting to 2 bikes despite the massive demand at commuter times?
With the Class 222 Meridians that are to be replaced by the Class 810 Aurora. I do think that they should be transferred to South Western Railway to replace the Class 158 and Class 159 Sprinter Express. And the Class 180 Adelante to be cascaded to be used on the East-West Rail line or cascaded to Grand Central to join with the other Class 180 Adelantes.
Platform lengths. Long Eaton cannot accommodate 9 car train lengths. By building 5 car units, short sets can serve smaller platforms, or two 5 car units can be coupled, for example on fast Sheffield services, where platforms that major stations can accommodate. We see this currently with the meridian fleet, occasionally running with 2 class 222s or 180s, coupled together.
My thoughts exactly And EMR ran 7 car sets, only 2 shorter. If the short platform stops were reserved for the 4/ 5 car trains, why stop the 9 + car sets there? Edit - and seems they ran 2 + 8 HSTs... seems strange to go straight to a single 5 car set fleet when they have the experience of running a very diverse fleet.
I'm a train driver. The cabs of HSTs are absolute death traps, shown not least by the most recent incident up in Scotland where, if it'd taken place at night, the driver almost certainly wouldn't have survived. These units are more efficient, and far, far more crashworthy.
some of the GWR IETs are already falling apart inside, and the ride quality is absolutely horrible, seats uncomfy and bumpy as hell. I don't know why the UK is replacing pretty much all old trains with these Hitachi units, they're uncomfy and dreadful for long commutes :/ yet another reason why EMR and GWR are the two biggest rip-off TOCs in the country... should have got some Stadler FLIRTs
@@SakiDG so by your logic we should keep running hsts for another 50 years. EMR haven't started running their trains yet. And lets not act like hsts didn't have teething problems either.....
@@profmargins no not at all... HSTs needed to be replaced! I am all for replacing them and think that the Hitachi units themselves are okay enough, but the interiors are absolutely dreadful. there are better options for new rolling stock imo
@@SakiDG EMR seats(from what ive seen) are better than gwr seats and lumo 803s are very comfortable.. IET seats come down to DfT with their fire safety bollocks and graffiti proof nonsense on trains with extinguishers and proper fire safety, call it dFT cost cutting. All i can say is gwr iets should get a midlife mallard replacement to solve its issues. But I like IETs with their legroom and i've found the trains not to be too bad honestly. Blame DfT for being cheapskates!
I wonder? What an opportunity to use the Meridians (once or if EMR keep them) to replace the knackered 156 units nearing 38 years old. Could use the Meridians as a x2 x3 or x4 car set. Abolish first class & turn in to second & take out x2 or x3 loos leaving one loo per train set for more seating. Be ideal for Nottingham, Leicester, Newark, Lincoln, Doncaster, Peterborough, Grimsby & Skegness services
The 222s are unsuitable for working stopping services, especially when other routes are more in need of them. Ideally they would stay on the intercity services working alongside the new units, although they're more likely to be scrapped. As for the 156s they will be replaced by class 170s from Transport for Wales.
EMR instead of getting new intercity trains what about the regional trains as the 156s are old and out of date the class 158s are showing ages slowly and 170s are ok just need something new for Skegness and Lincoln that can fit the routes during the summer season
I'm a frequent traveller on the Skegness to Nottingham line and it's bloody awful. Even the class 170s in three car sets are barely enough. But in the peak season 2 car class 156's is just absolutely abysmal. But I guess getting class 170s on the line is a start.
Haven't the 156's gone? I believe the 158's will be replaced soon. All depending on the 170 cascade. Still, it beats BR with a single dogbox (153) on Witsun Bank Holiday to Nuneaton in 1992 from Skeg-Vegas
ERMTS is the new European safety system. It lets you use the track way more efficiently by having the trains communicate with each other. So trains can drive closer to each other. It also keeps way better track of the trains for both management and passengers. TPWS and AWS are old fashioned systems not made for the 21st century
Dear Rachel Turner, your customers do not like the Adelante model, nor the Meridians - dirty, noisy and polluting. No buffet, no proper restaurant. Poor first class service. The wires are arriving at a snails pace. As for welding trains together, you're not serious are you? Darlington, Wolverton, Swindon, Doncaster - all made locomotives decades before you were born.
Listen to your customers when designing internal fittings and make them as comfortable as the Inter City 125 Mk3 stock and you are on a winner. The old 222 Meridians should ideally be used on Liverpool to Norwich services this giving extra capacity.
Nobody cares
Probably most definitely right.
@@uktv05 I hate it when people say that, and you should probably change your channel name to one with "lifts" in it.
@@RWL2012 What do you mean?
@@uktv05 Well don't post "nobody cares" etc.
Interesting video! Looking forward to seeing and riding them. I just hope there won't be any of those "window seats" with no window view like some of the existing Hitachi trains have.
Those idiotic ‘windowless’ seats should just be converted into luggage racks!
@@thetrainkid3177 funny you say that as they eventually got the hint and LNER have done just that, GWR, Hull and TPE - well, maybe not just yet
Very interesting - nice to see Midland Mainline getting some investment !
Last time I looked Derby was in the East Midlands? It’s called having an industrial strategy, investing in areas and communities that have the expertise and resources rather than just subsidising foreign owners who will export their profits and leave when the money ends.
Will there be a proper bike storage area on these trains or are you going to continue limiting to 2 bikes despite the massive demand at commuter times?
With the Class 222 Meridians that are to be replaced by the Class 810 Aurora. I do think that they should be transferred to South Western Railway to replace the Class 158 and Class 159 Sprinter Express.
And the Class 180 Adelante to be cascaded to be used on the East-West Rail line or cascaded to Grand Central to join with the other Class 180 Adelantes.
class 222s are going to cross-country and 3 other operators i believe.
Ok. If that's true.
@@trainsimworldjourneys5267 which 3 other operators?
Hi from the EWR Area, please no, I don't want a class 180 heading pass woburn sands level crossing when the 230s do the job fine
OMG
Why just 5 cars? That is way to short for a intercity train! Should be at least 9 cars, like on the ECML.
Platform lengths. Long Eaton cannot accommodate 9 car train lengths. By building 5 car units, short sets can serve smaller platforms, or two 5 car units can be coupled, for example on fast Sheffield services, where platforms that major stations can accommodate. We see this currently with the meridian fleet, occasionally running with 2 class 222s or 180s, coupled together.
My thoughts exactly
And EMR ran 7 car sets, only 2 shorter. If the short platform stops were reserved for the 4/ 5 car trains, why stop the 9 + car sets there?
Edit - and seems they ran 2 + 8 HSTs... seems strange to go straight to a single 5 car set fleet when they have the experience of running a very diverse fleet.
Pack 'em in tight and overcharge for the privilege = lots of profit for the shareholders.
Great more piles of scrap iron bring back the hst sets
I'm a train driver. The cabs of HSTs are absolute death traps, shown not least by the most recent incident up in Scotland where, if it'd taken place at night, the driver almost certainly wouldn't have survived. These units are more efficient, and far, far more crashworthy.
0:27 since when did iets have buffers
1:33 ah yes so the IET suspension crack thing doesn't exist now, nice!
So true! Don't get me started on the spaces for bikes!!
Shhh, it’s a secret that all IET vehicles need extensive mods which will take until 2028 to complete.
What is this song called?? anyone know
sounds like a re-mix of 'Deep Fear' ironic when this video pushed the safety aspect of train travel :-)
@@WhosPhotoTube ok
Hey EMR keep the 180 and 222's and yall could go to york leeds or birmingham with these extra fleets PLEASE DONT LET THE 222 DIE we beg you
The 222's are probably going to CrossCountry.
@@darrenduffy1227 WOOHOOOO THANK YOU!!
Nah the meridians might be scrapped
@@EGAVgames Apparently might go to Scotrail
Can't see these trains lasting 40+ years. They will probably be ready for scrap in a few years.
i don't agree, i'll give them 40 years as well
some of the GWR IETs are already falling apart inside, and the ride quality is absolutely horrible, seats uncomfy and bumpy as hell.
I don't know why the UK is replacing pretty much all old trains with these Hitachi units, they're uncomfy and dreadful for long commutes :/
yet another reason why EMR and GWR are the two biggest rip-off TOCs in the country... should have got some Stadler FLIRTs
@@SakiDG so by your logic we should keep running hsts for another 50 years. EMR haven't started running their trains yet. And lets not act like hsts didn't have teething problems either.....
@@profmargins no not at all... HSTs needed to be replaced! I am all for replacing them and think that the Hitachi units themselves are okay enough, but the interiors are absolutely dreadful. there are better options for new rolling stock imo
@@SakiDG EMR seats(from what ive seen) are better than gwr seats and lumo 803s are very comfortable.. IET seats come down to DfT with their fire safety bollocks and graffiti proof nonsense on trains with extinguishers and proper fire safety, call it dFT cost cutting. All i can say is gwr iets should get a midlife mallard replacement to solve its issues. But I like IETs with their legroom and i've found the trains not to be too bad honestly. Blame DfT for being cheapskates!
I wonder? What an opportunity to use the Meridians (once or if EMR keep them) to replace the knackered 156 units nearing 38 years old. Could use the Meridians as a x2 x3 or x4 car set. Abolish first class & turn in to second & take out x2 or x3 loos leaving one loo per train set for more seating. Be ideal for Nottingham, Leicester, Newark, Lincoln, Doncaster, Peterborough, Grimsby & Skegness services
The 222s are unsuitable for working stopping services, especially when other routes are more in need of them. Ideally they would stay on the intercity services working alongside the new units, although they're more likely to be scrapped. As for the 156s they will be replaced by class 170s from Transport for Wales.
@@u7yf3tz5vm EMR has some 170s from Scotland. They received them knackered as it was. No end of trouble. Hope the Welsh ones are in better condition
@@111cccccc TFWs 170s are a bit knackered but still better than the Scotrail units. They seem to be sending the worst ones first.
I think the old intercity trains should replace the old regional trains
what TOC will the 180s and 222s go to?
180's will most likely go to Grand Central. The 222's are still being speculated
meridians for cross country or a new service
Meridians won’t go to CrossCountry as they aren’t compatible with the 220/221’s
@@TanzaFox they still might to go xc to replace the HST sets as they dont need to couple to 22Xs, or iwas thinking GWR to replace HSTs
I was hoping that EMR would refurbish them by now.
Why couldn’t you invest in the employment of people in the East Midlands to assemble these trains?
Take a guess. Hitachi already has an assembly line where they make the class 800. You don’t build a new factory for only 33 trains
No you buy them from the east midlands
@@Andrew-xs1sg that’s not how modern factories work but sure. Let’s buy trains from a non existing train manufacturer in the East Midlands
This is taking forever, all other lines have nice new trains and we're still years out. Depressing.
not all other lines.
They're coming from 2023.
@@devon896 Which will probably be pushed back as they'll inevitably find faults while testing, that's if they're not on strike.
@@RWL2012 LNER, Greater Anglia, Northern, TPE, Hull Trains, GWR, SWR, SouthEastern have all had some new recent stock.
why is it depressing? the new intercity stock is a lot less comfortable than the old intercity stock, mainly seat shape and ride quality
Scientifically what happens when ferrous metals are jetted into aluminium. Hint its going to cost you a fortune in paint to repair.
EMR instead of getting new intercity trains what about the regional trains as the 156s are old and out of date the class 158s are showing ages slowly and 170s are ok just need something new for Skegness and Lincoln that can fit the routes during the summer season
I'm a frequent traveller on the Skegness to Nottingham line and it's bloody awful. Even the class 170s in three car sets are barely enough. But in the peak season 2 car class 156's is just absolutely abysmal. But I guess getting class 170s on the line is a start.
@@scottwojcik2148 We need like 6 cars for skegness like a double 170 or something we haven't seen
Haven't the 156's gone?
I believe the 158's will be replaced soon.
All depending on the 170 cascade.
Still, it beats BR with a single dogbox (153) on Witsun Bank Holiday to Nuneaton in 1992 from Skeg-Vegas
Are theses coming this year 2023 or next year 2024
More like 2040
2050 at this rate...
These new safety systems… TPWS and AWS - these are on the HST’s and 222’s, no? What’s next gen about this version? Serious question…
ERMTS is the new European safety system. It lets you use the track way more efficiently by having the trains communicate with each other. So trains can drive closer to each other. It also keeps way better track of the trains for both management and passengers. TPWS and AWS are old fashioned systems not made for the 21st century
Dear Rachel Turner, your customers do not like the Adelante model, nor the Meridians - dirty, noisy and polluting. No buffet, no proper restaurant. Poor first class service. The wires are arriving at a snails pace.
As for welding trains together, you're not serious are you? Darlington, Wolverton, Swindon, Doncaster - all made locomotives decades before you were born.
Don't worry guys in two years they'll be cracking on the frames and you'll have no trains at all.
it will not
ffssssss not more terrible hitachi IETs 😔