Shout out to Vivian and Koops for keeping Mario safe for the entire fight because Mario had a maximum of 10 HP, I don’t have any Life Shrooms, and I forgot to use any of the Crystal Stars because I wanted to have a few last shot with power bounce. Somehow I didn’t die once!
I love that Mario opens the offensive in the remake He doesn't wait for the battle to start no HE JUMPS IMMEDIATELY TO START THE BATTLE, READY TO BEAT UP THE SHADOW QUEEN.
Most games would play triumphant music during a fight like this, now that you have the power to defeat the Shadow Queen, but the music instead gets MORE intense and I love it.
Imagine how pissed the Shadow Queen is in this moment tho. The first two phases she just considered you a joke, maybe a potential slave. Now, you've actually become her number one enemy.
@@A2ZOMG Makes sense. You and your party are fully healed, and she can be harmed. As Arnie once say, "if it bleeds, we can kill it." She recognized immediately that there is now a chance for her to fall again. No way will she let that happen again. The Shadow Queen now considers you a top threat and you make sure this 1,000-year-old demon sleeps eternally once again.
The first time I fought the shadow queen in the original TTYD, I got absolutely mollywhopped. In the end, I ran out of healing items, Star points, and most of my partners aside from flurrie were dead, I prayed that my turn was actually coming up after a bingo, and I won the fight by the skin of my teeth with 4 hp remaining. This time, it was the complete opposite.
@@crinklyonion1410 well, the first time I was barley hanging on, and a bingo saved my ass. The remake, I did really well against the shadow queen, I figured out how to time the bingos, I started to get the hang of super guards, and I was just way better prepared, with a few ultra shrooms and Jamin jellies, and figured out that Vivian could basically get rid of the annoying leaching hands. Overall, I just got better at the game
Shadow queen: fear me, mortals Me with lucky day, several close call, thirteen power rush, jump man, all or nothing, and two power plus with power bounce:
Good lord that final part before the loop at 2:20 is just transcendent. They went incredibly hard on this track for the remake, I’m glad they managed to do it justice.
I know i shoudn't be listening to this but Gah damnnnnnnn., they're shredding that guitar wheww. also i love the addition of the wailing in the background really makes the song extra eerie And that extra bit is fantastic, major props to composers for this kick-ass rendition!
I ended up dying to the true form of the shadow queen after an hour of gameplay on my first attempt. She had four health left and my only option was to attack her with a confused Koops. He attacked Mario. I could have won by the skin of my teeth, but I died because of a roll of the dice.
I went and listened to the original Shadow Queen theme after listening to this one. Honestly I think this version of the theme is much better than the original.
The OST as a whole got a huge glow up. Ttyd probably had the worst soundtrack of the paper Marios and every game since has gotten better and better music wise so I was really looking forward to that part of the remake. Not disappointed in the slightest
@@sublime_tv all of the paper Mario games have banger soundtracks I just think ttyd had the weakest until the remake. Still fantastic. Just liked all the other osts better
That's not the Count Bleck theme… it merely sounds like it because both are based on a C harmonic minor scale. MANY melodies are based on harmonic minor scales, that doesn't mean they're all "secretly referencing" one another. Super Paper Mario's music was done by an entirely different set of composers, so it wouldn't even make sense for Yoshito Sekigawa to reference a game he wasn't even involved with in such an obscure manner.
Never would I imagine that I would be facing the Shadow Queen once again as an adult, but here we are. Even to this day, she is one of my favorite final bosses in any RPG with Dark Bowser and Wasp King close by. This was a major highlight of my childhood. The Shadow Queen gave me utter hell when I was a kid as I'm sure she did for many a young gamer back in the day. It felt so satisfying to finally strike her down like I truly did conquer an ancient demon and it felt amazing to relive it all again. Major props to the team for bringing this remake of a timeless classic to both older and newer generations. May your experiences with this game be filled with wonder like many have beforehand, myself included.
I kid you not, I literally beat the Shadow Queen with only 2 HP left. TWO. I didn’t even have any Life Mushrooms to save me. So if I died, I would have to restart the whole fight. Literally the most insane moment in my playthrough.
…I had 1hp… for 3 turns… I already wrote an “essay” on it in another comment discussing the same topic of winning by the skin of their teeth… the stress I felt every moment as I saw the 1hp and the shadow queen attack is probably the most tense thing I have now experienced in a game it practically all came down to luck with a close call badge and repel cape as my last hope being my yoshi was put into battle the last turn I got video of with the switch the Shadow Queen was at 10hp I had used a power punch and jammin jelly to refill my fp as it was 0 and go for the strike of which I remembered at that moment she boosted her defense and attack again so I used piercing smash which would deal… 9dmg of which I was expecting this to be it I was going to fail the boss 1hp short on my FIRST ATTEMPT but somehow a miracle happened… with repel cape and close call I dodged the poison gas and Rocket (my yoshi) got poisoned and then the dreaded “shadow realm pull” attack started I was a goner but then she dragged down Rocket and KO’d him (RIP) and I took the finishing blow.
I feel like the "wailing" part at 0:31 was stronger in the original and I just KNEW it wouldn't survive the remixing process - just felt like one of those particular sampling things that wouldn't. The original sounded much less defined, much more like an unknowable, eiree, festering evil presence echoing through the long-dormant halls and time itself. Hard to put my finger on it without using such flowery language but... yeah. What they did instead matches up to the usage of vocals in the rest of the soundtrack, but was a downgrade for me as the original sound of that moment was one of my favourite parts of the song. That said... incredible remix in spite of that nitpick. I'd say this is easily on par with the original, and considering how perfect the original was it would've been a tough act to upgrade it without losing something. With that in mind, I'll happily take a new version that's just as good.
If that's bothering you, then there's a mash-up I'm working on, not a basic mashup, I'm seperating stems from the original track with X Minus Pro and adding some of the old sounds to the new version
@@darthtrollerYou might already know this, but in the og you can clearly hear the instrument at 1:00 whereas in the remake it's incredibly low and pushed off as a mere harmony. Something to consider. Please let us know when you release it. I'll subscribe too.
Ya know, I really do appreciate how there’s actually thought being put into your criticism other then “it’s different so it sucks ass” take I’ve been seeing from the overly hardcore TTYD og fans. Big breath of fresh air honestly.
@@FilipBilic-vi6jv Hopefully they'll remake Super Paper Mario too. Imagine how hard an updated version of Ultimate Show, let alone all of Super's ost would go with the visual treatment they gave thus game
@@taghreedali1948 The Dark Star Core theme is good but overrated. I think Dreamy Bowser and Shiny Robo-Bowser had better final boss themes when it comes to the M&L series. Heck the Brute Force Federation in Bowser's Inside Story's remake exclusive side mode had a better theme when fighting them. The final boss music against their fused form sounded so emotional. It gets even more sadder when you realize that this was the last game made before the bankruptcy that put M&L into a temporary hiatus.
Hmm the music sounds good but I don't know it's better than the- 2:05 Nevermind that part starts with the opera vocal with the drums , guitar and violin mix together right there make this better than the original.
this theme hits SO hard, i vividly remember my second run of this game from about a month and a half ago, it was a BP only run, and this fight was insanely close. it was extremely exhilarating.
I have done two runs of this game, one of them was a regular 100% and another a bp only challenge. In the first one I died because I got greedy while in another I had to be on my superguard game or I would’ve lost the battle. Luckily I got the superguard timing down mid fight. I also forgot peekaboo so I was just hoping little Kuma (Yoshi) would kill her. That fight was so intense and that’s why I want to do hero mode for ttyd. Ttyd means so much to me so ye 😅
I love it that they made the music it more sinister when fighting the Shadow Queen to let you know what's on the line and this is the final battle, you can't give up!
This is incredible! And people who are saying that the og version is better are just suffering from a duckling syndrome. Original theme went for creepy, this version goes for an epic final battle, WHILE fixing flaws of the original.(Like a very short loop and track sounding repetitive) Both go for a completely different feeling and excel at it! So ffs, enjoy og, new or both but let others enjoy what they like without being a party pooper.
Idk why you'd have that bit about people saying the og version is better having some duckling syndrome and then saying to enjoy what you want. Aside from that I agree about the versions' strengths
@@unovi8141 Glorifying og version, while ignoring strengths of the other is usually done by people blinded by nostalgia. If new version sounds different then it doesn't mean it is inherently worse. This line of thought escapes people who are experiencing duckling syndrome. If I ended up coming off like I have something against people who just enjoy og version, then my bad, didn't mean it that way.
Everyone should stop saying one version of this song is better or worse than the other. They're both incredible, just in different ways. The original was meant to encapsulate the finality of this fight, the final hurdle between you and victory - "This is the final battle. Let's do this, Mario." The remade track is focusing much more on how powerful the Shadow Queen is - "We're against a being of more power than has never seen before - but we can do it. Let's save the world from certain death, once and for all."
This theme hits so much harder when you forget to equip feeling fine and feeling fine p 😂😂😂..... thank god Vivian still attackdd the queen when she was confused and not mario.....
I would say that what the remake version adds is an underlying feeling of madness. The original was very eldritch and ethereal, with some hints of majesty when the violins played. The remake ramped up the intensity while also adding voices wailing and chanting in the background of certain parts, which remind you how utterly insane the Shadow Queen is.
The Shadow Queen was never alive to begin with and to my knowledge this is the reason why she can only be sealed away. She was slain in battle by heroes in the past but her soul was unable to rest so they had to trap her. Mario would later again seal her soul away again but substantially weaken it so this time the seal remains permanent.
Thank you quick change buff stalling (fyi that's when you use quick change to switch a partner into battle, buff them, then switch out again then you have them switch in, attack, and leave. it might count as cheating so oopsies)
this song is genuinely so epic, im glad they remaked with (ofc, because new game). been listening to it from time to time since 2 years ago or so, def among my favorite games ost:)
Didn‘t expect a Mario RPG to have this challenging of a final Boss. But I‘m not complaining! Just kind of wish Vivian didn‘t trivialize the entire Fight
As my as I would of beat this game in a week, I wanted to enjoy it like a glass of wine 🍷 before it’s sadly over for one of my favorite Paper Mario games of all time and this is far more then a expected for a badass final boss theme. I totally see this more like a Shadow King fit if the game had one more Shadow tyrant expectedly final FINAL boss like thing!
Perhaps in the next Paper Mario, should Nintendo get their head out of their asses, they'll expand on The Thousand-Year Door's story. Kind of like how they did for Breath of the Wild with Tears of the Kingdom. In Breath of the Wild, we had no idea that Ganondorf lay dormant under Hyrule Castle. So, Intelligent System can conjure a similar plot for expanding on The Thousand-Year Door and explaining what happened to the Shadow King during the Shadow Queen's reign.
I ain’t gonna lie, this is probably the best Paper Mario final boss song I’ve heard. Imo, it’s a major improvement from the original. The electric guitar and choirs add so much to this. And the new part added to this is a chef’s goddamn kiss. Probably tied with Spectacular Finale and King of the Koopas for my personal favorite final battle themes in the series
Word on the street is that this and all the other battle themes with the Shadow Queen suck???? …No…I’m sorry but I have to heavily disagree with this. Maybe this is my guitar bias coming back again, but this is a phenomenal remix. And even though there’s a bigger emphasis on guitars and violins like most of the other tracks in the remake, I think it still sells the eerie vibe of the Shadow Queen, how you’re fighting this eldritch demon that’s hell bent on ending the world *and you* too. Although one thing I can say is that, I feel like there should’ve been an organ playing here too. The guitar mixing in with the violin and the haunting vocals are friggin great, but I feel like some parts could’ve been played with an organ there, since it felt like the OG them had a major emphasis on it. I think that’s what slightly holds this track back for me and makes me liking phase 1 of the theme a bit more. But both tracks are KILLER don’t get the wrong idea here.
An organ definitely would have sold just how evil the Shadow Queen of Death Metal is. She's definitely one of my favorite villains alongside Grodus and Dimentio. Truly evil bastards.
Oh shit! Carbon is destroying the world! (If anyone does not know what im talking about please go watch the badly translated version of paper mario ttyd)
Sounds better than the Gamecube version, refuse to play the original game now since the remake is out well few months ago in 2024 of May its End of September as I wrote this comment, it seems Nintendo/Intelligent Systems outdone themselves with this version of final battle of Shadow Queen. Beaten this boss on my Second Attempt, the trick here is to power up Vivan the second time, use the firey Jinx on those Shadow Queen Hands. Think it works just the same, all the way back in the Paper Mario Thousand Year Door Version of the Gamecube of 2004.
The arranged OST is terrible. It completely misunderstood what made the original’s OST so great which was the use of synths in such an unique way. Both origami and TTYD remake are just generic metal orchestral tracks. Thank god they added the GC medal.
I’d been uneasy about the late game tracks since I wasn’t a fan of a couple of the chapter boss tracks in comparison to their OGs, but FUCK did Chapters 6-8 blow my worries out of the water
i just beat the shadow Queen for the first time yesterday took me 3 trys but wow sutch a tough battle. i had never played this before and it was my first time sutch a fun game but the last part rely puts you though your paces and this soundtrack slaps.
First fight to make me upset, beat her in 4 tries (No Mega rush or Quick change Lvl 26) I liked the challenge though it was close, almost beat her 2nd try but didn't take the risk of attacking since we were both one shot. Note: you should focus spring jump with mario on Shadow Queen and use your partner for everything else including switching out otherwise you lose a turn. Quick change fixes the problem but I used my BP for P Up D Down and a Defense up badge so I had a total of 3 Attack up badges.
Also, I don’t see anyone else bringing this up, but anyone else find it strange that they slightly nerfed the Shadow Queen’s health? She had 200 HP in the GC version, but on Switch she has 150. Not that it makes it any less harder to beat her, but still weird that they did that.
Oh, if only the Game Grumps could have waited 7 years and played this version... There's a new option to skip all the cutscenery you had to go through before fighting her. Then Dan wouldn't be so mad. He'd only be somewhat mad.
Man, both parties defending the og and the ramake version are so hostile, and they don't even have good valid arguments. 😂 Ya'll need to get off the internet and touch grass honestly.
i have given up on this specific boss battle because i am never able to fight her with out her hp refilling. I'm getting on to super mario rpg because of how much shit is in paper mario and how hard it is so there will just be a save file with all the stars and no completion star. if this comment gets 50 or 30 likes im going to quit mario kart 8 and dedicate in beating her once and for all
To even call the original ost of ttyd the worst is one of the most garbage takes I've ever read. No way you actually think trash like color splash onward has better ost
@@lordninetails514 I've played all the paper Mario games. The modern games have Many Many problems but the music is not one of them. For the record ttyd is my favorite game In the series, but the transition from the n64's weirdly designed music system to the GameCube's more standardized one hurt ttyd's OST badly. It works a lot better now
@@unraged6004 Nah you just have modern bias. Playing through this remake I did like a good amount of the new music in the game but the sheer amount of songs that have a guitar thrown in it for no reason is just excessive which is exactly what origami king does as well. The last paper Mario with music variety was honestly sticker star then everything after that just took the "smash ultimate" approach and everything uses a guitar or violin, it's dull
@@lordninetails514 I grew up with ttyd. Also clearly you weren't paying attention. as some examples the glitz pit theme uses an erhu and doopliss's theme has a harpsichord bells and chimes
@@OfLanceTheLonginusit's sad to know that your best criticism it's calling it an intern's first work, plus now that I know you have both an invalid criticism and minor spelling mistakes, you only say this add fuel to the fire, and makes me believe you have never played neither the og and the remake.
@@TheLoneSandslash "Hmm yes from my expert armchair psychiatry I can deduce you never played the original" Lol, lmao even. You don't know someone from a youtube comment my friend. Cope that it doesn't hold a candle to the OG. Sounds way too much like Bowser's theme, womp womp. Just...damn, is this your first time arguing? Do you hear the lack of organs? FFS stop being so accepting of this to the point you defend it like a mad dog.
@@vladi3862you are equally shit to the biased 30 yo people. I prefer the og and there is nothing wrong with that, the people in the wrong are those who can't accept others' opinions
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The Shadow Queen: "Wha... How is it you are able to hurt me?"
Gonzales Jr. with a suspiciously Mega Rush P-shaped cheek bulge:
Cheek what?
@@leifcasanova3097its in their mouth
Bro is storing mega rush badges for winter
The Shadow Queen then one shot the poor Yoshi who only has 1 HP...............
@@ollymiko
That's something she would do! 😂😂😂 The Shadow Queen don't play!
shout out to the two life mushrooms that saved my ass
Shout out to Vivian and Koops for keeping Mario safe for the entire fight because Mario had a maximum of 10 HP, I don’t have any Life Shrooms, and I forgot to use any of the Crystal Stars because I wanted to have a few last shot with power bounce.
Somehow I didn’t die once!
I stocked up on them for that part between phases where you can't hurt her lol
actually same
@@AdonAdaniel i did that but for some reason after the turn she went again
Shoutout to vivian, bobbery, and goombella and a life mushroom for helping me take down the shadow queen with a power hammer (or whatever its called)
GCN: Let's finish this, Mario!
Switch: End her fucking life, Mario.
I love both lol
Mario wasn't for the bullshit! 😂 He squares up to anybody, anywhere!
I love that Mario opens the offensive in the remake
He doesn't wait for the battle to start no
HE JUMPS IMMEDIATELY TO START THE BATTLE, READY TO BEAT UP THE SHADOW QUEEN.
It's personal because the Shadow Queen possessed Peach, his love interest or best friend.
@@transcendentsacredcourageMario’s best friend is Yoshi (the true Yoshi, not the partner of this game)
@@Sean-qg3ggI assume Luigi is the close second?
@@KopsiDayzee22 Toad. Luigi doesn’t count, he loves Luigi most of anyone.
@@Sean-qg3gg That would explain why he never falls asleep listening to a toad in this game, yet does when listening to Luigi.
Most games would play triumphant music during a fight like this, now that you have the power to defeat the Shadow Queen, but the music instead gets MORE intense and I love it.
To be fair you JUST had the triumphant theme playing in the cutscene just before this
Imagine how pissed the Shadow Queen is in this moment tho. The first two phases she just considered you a joke, maybe a potential slave. Now, you've actually become her number one enemy.
@@A2ZOMG Makes sense. You and your party are fully healed, and she can be harmed. As Arnie once say, "if it bleeds, we can kill it." She recognized immediately that there is now a chance for her to fall again. No way will she let that happen again. The Shadow Queen now considers you a top threat and you make sure this 1,000-year-old demon sleeps eternally once again.
well the fight doesnt become easy after the entire world lends their power to you, it just becomes POSSIBLE, lol
The first time I fought the shadow queen in the original TTYD, I got absolutely mollywhopped. In the end, I ran out of healing items, Star points, and most of my partners aside from flurrie were dead, I prayed that my turn was actually coming up after a bingo, and I won the fight by the skin of my teeth with 4 hp remaining.
This time, it was the complete opposite.
You did super well the entire time and then at the very end you got a poison mushroom bingo and ended up barely losing?
@@crinklyonion1410 you asking?
@@aranryan-9440 Yes, I’m interested in how it went for you.
@@crinklyonion1410 well, the first time I was barley hanging on, and a bingo saved my ass.
The remake, I did really well against the shadow queen, I figured out how to time the bingos, I started to get the hang of super guards, and I was just way better prepared, with a few ultra shrooms and Jamin jellies, and figured out that Vivian could basically get rid of the annoying leaching hands.
Overall, I just got better at the game
@@aranryan-9440 Nice, good job.
Shadow queen: fear me, mortals
Me with lucky day, several close call, thirteen power rush, jump man, all or nothing, and two power plus with power bounce:
I got 20 turns of sleep out by sleepy stomp, It was a huge turn around from my 1ST attempt that's for sure lol
mario is truly the immortal one in this situation
I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me
i swear, this game really is like shin magami tensei but if it was opposite day
Mario: Call an ambulance! But not-a-for me!!!
Good lord that final part before the loop at 2:20 is just transcendent. They went incredibly hard on this track for the remake, I’m glad they managed to do it justice.
I agree, one of the best loops I've ever heard. Shit was so good I had to do a retake
I love how Nintendo just DECIDED that Paper Mario is a Heavy Metal Opera. Fits right in with Ayreon and other Symphonic Metal.
I like how they took the best part of Origami King, its killer music, and blended it into this game. They did an outstanding job.
By that, you mean they stylized battle themes to fit areas and remixed it to sound like Origami King?
@@NovikNovaeverything in the remake sounds like origami king and i love it
@@vladi3862 Well yeah the best part of Origami King is without question its incredible soundtrack
I think they might have used the engine as well, but I don't really know.
Best parts of TOK are Visuals and Soundtrack
I know i shoudn't be listening to this but Gah damnnnnnnn., they're shredding that guitar wheww.
also i love the addition of the wailing in the background really makes the song extra eerie
And that extra bit is fantastic, major props to composers for this kick-ass rendition!
Give in to the temptation
This fight is anxiety inducing with just 5 HP.
Yeah, weird that your buddies get to be at like... 30 or something while Mario caps at 5. 😇
Not if you have Power Rush
I ended up dying to the true form of the shadow queen after an hour of gameplay on my first attempt. She had four health left and my only option was to attack her with a confused Koops. He attacked Mario. I could have won by the skin of my teeth, but I died because of a roll of the dice.
average rpg moment
Koops was actually just betraying you so he could taking the Shadow Queen's power for himself, totally
That sucks homie but at least you got a funny story to tell. And yeah, rpg moment.
At least you didn't get pelted with rocks from the audience like kid me lol
Aw shit that happened to me too
Shadow Queen: "you can't defeat me"
Paper Mario: "I know, but he can"
*Support from his friends*
I went and listened to the original Shadow Queen theme after listening to this one. Honestly I think this version of the theme is much better than the original.
The OST as a whole got a huge glow up. Ttyd probably had the worst soundtrack of the paper Marios and every game since has gotten better and better music wise so I was really looking forward to that part of the remake. Not disappointed in the slightest
@@unraged6004Tf are you smoking. Og TTYD is a banger ost
@@sublime_tv all of the paper Mario games have banger soundtracks I just think ttyd had the weakest until the remake. Still fantastic. Just liked all the other osts better
@@sublime_tvnah he’s right
@@unraged6004 Sticker Star had the worst OST of all the Paper Mario games imo.
Casually playing Bleck's theme in the middle of this is such a flex, bravo
whats the timestamp?
@@FungiCaptain 2:06
Daaaang!!
Perhaps this foreshadows that Super Paper Mario will someday be remade with an updated soundtrack and visuals as well?
That's not the Count Bleck theme… it merely sounds like it because both are based on a C harmonic minor scale. MANY melodies are based on harmonic minor scales, that doesn't mean they're all "secretly referencing" one another.
Super Paper Mario's music was done by an entirely different set of composers, so it wouldn't even make sense for Yoshito Sekigawa to reference a game he wasn't even involved with in such an obscure manner.
Never would I imagine that I would be facing the Shadow Queen once again as an adult, but here we are. Even to this day, she is one of my favorite final bosses in any RPG with Dark Bowser and Wasp King close by. This was a major highlight of my childhood. The Shadow Queen gave me utter hell when I was a kid as I'm sure she did for many a young gamer back in the day. It felt so satisfying to finally strike her down like I truly did conquer an ancient demon and it felt amazing to relive it all again. Major props to the team for bringing this remake of a timeless classic to both older and newer generations. May your experiences with this game be filled with wonder like many have beforehand, myself included.
1:40
love this in the original a ton but holy shit when I heard this in the remake for the first time I got INSANE chills
I kid you not, I literally beat the Shadow Queen with only 2 HP left. TWO. I didn’t even have any Life Mushrooms to save me. So if I died, I would have to restart the whole fight. Literally the most insane moment in my playthrough.
…I had 1hp… for 3 turns… I already wrote an “essay” on it in another comment discussing the same topic of winning by the skin of their teeth… the stress I felt every moment as I saw the 1hp and the shadow queen attack is probably the most tense thing I have now experienced in a game it practically all came down to luck with a close call badge and repel cape as my last hope being my yoshi was put into battle the last turn I got video of with the switch the Shadow Queen was at 10hp I had used a power punch and jammin jelly to refill my fp as it was 0 and go for the strike of which I remembered at that moment she boosted her defense and attack again so I used piercing smash which would deal… 9dmg of which I was expecting this to be it I was going to fail the boss 1hp short on my FIRST ATTEMPT but somehow a miracle happened… with repel cape and close call I dodged the poison gas and Rocket (my yoshi) got poisoned and then the dreaded “shadow realm pull” attack started I was a goner but then she dragged down Rocket and KO’d him (RIP) and I took the finishing blow.
Bruh I have a problem with writing essays :|
“How is it that you are able to hurt me?”
me with 46 power rushes badges behind goombella’s back: I don’t know
I feel like the "wailing" part at 0:31 was stronger in the original and I just KNEW it wouldn't survive the remixing process - just felt like one of those particular sampling things that wouldn't. The original sounded much less defined, much more like an unknowable, eiree, festering evil presence echoing through the long-dormant halls and time itself. Hard to put my finger on it without using such flowery language but... yeah. What they did instead matches up to the usage of vocals in the rest of the soundtrack, but was a downgrade for me as the original sound of that moment was one of my favourite parts of the song.
That said... incredible remix in spite of that nitpick. I'd say this is easily on par with the original, and considering how perfect the original was it would've been a tough act to upgrade it without losing something. With that in mind, I'll happily take a new version that's just as good.
If that's bothering you, then there's a mash-up I'm working on, not a basic mashup, I'm seperating stems from the original track with X Minus Pro and adding some of the old sounds to the new version
@@darthtrollerYou might already know this, but in the og you can clearly hear the instrument at 1:00 whereas in the remake it's incredibly low and pushed off as a mere harmony. Something to consider. Please let us know when you release it. I'll subscribe too.
@@sublime_tv agreed, I barely felt that part in the remake which is why you hear it nicely in my version
@@sublime_tv ruclips.net/video/zgiZZEwuV5U/видео.htmlsi=zzrb8xewAd_7FMnU done
Ya know, I really do appreciate how there’s actually thought being put into your criticism other then “it’s different so it sucks ass” take I’ve been seeing from the overly hardcore TTYD og fans.
Big breath of fresh air honestly.
This might be the best final boss theme in the entire Mario franchise
Nah Super Dimentio theme still better
@@FilipBilic-vi6jv Hopefully they'll remake Super Paper Mario too. Imagine how hard an updated version of Ultimate Show, let alone all of Super's ost would go with the visual treatment they gave thus game
Hmm. You’re forgetting about the Grand Finale aren’t you?
i like king ollys and dreamy bowsers themes more, i'm not sure about shiny robo bowsers theme though
@@taghreedali1948
The Dark Star Core theme is good but overrated. I think Dreamy Bowser and Shiny Robo-Bowser had better final boss themes when it comes to the M&L series. Heck the Brute Force Federation in Bowser's Inside Story's remake exclusive side mode had a better theme when fighting them. The final boss music against their fused form sounded so emotional. It gets even more sadder when you realize that this was the last game made before the bankruptcy that put M&L into a temporary hiatus.
0:44 I like how they turned the least interesting part of the original and turned it into ABSOLUTE HEAT 🗣️🔥
I actually here a little bit of count blecks music from super paper Mario
Very charismatic
Very entertaining
Very interactive
Hmm the music sounds good but I don't know it's better than the- 2:05 Nevermind that part starts with the opera vocal with the drums , guitar and violin mix together right there make this better than the original.
this theme hits SO hard, i vividly remember my second run of this game from about a month and a half ago, it was a BP only run, and this fight was insanely close. it was extremely exhilarating.
THEY COOKED WITH THE REMIXES 🗣️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️🔥🔥🔥
phone at 1% theme song
Funny you'd say that, becau
I have done two runs of this game, one of them was a regular 100% and another a bp only challenge. In the first one I died because I got greedy while in another I had to be on my superguard game or I would’ve lost the battle. Luckily I got the superguard timing down mid fight. I also forgot peekaboo so I was just hoping little Kuma (Yoshi) would kill her. That fight was so intense and that’s why I want to do hero mode for ttyd. Ttyd means so much to me so ye 😅
I love it that they made the music it more sinister when fighting the Shadow Queen to let you know what's on the line and this is the final battle, you can't give up!
This is incredible! And people who are saying that the og version is better are just suffering from a duckling syndrome.
Original theme went for creepy, this version goes for an epic final battle, WHILE fixing flaws of the original.(Like a very short loop and track sounding repetitive)
Both go for a completely different feeling and excel at it!
So ffs, enjoy og, new or both but let others enjoy what they like without being a party pooper.
Are people complaining? I personally prefer the og soundtrack, it's all subjective.
Idk why you'd have that bit about people saying the og version is better having some duckling syndrome and then saying to enjoy what you want. Aside from that I agree about the versions' strengths
@@unovi8141 Glorifying og version, while ignoring strengths of the other is usually done by people blinded by nostalgia.
If new version sounds different then it doesn't mean it is inherently worse. This line of thought escapes people who are experiencing duckling syndrome.
If I ended up coming off like I have something against people who just enjoy og version, then my bad, didn't mean it that way.
@@Neveroff-Official Probably fair to consider some of the differences in the new one to instead be weaknesses. That's just preference
@@unovi8141 True. Personally I miss the evil chanting in the background that the og version had. That is definitely weakness.
*WE EVISCERATING A DEMON QUEEN WITH THIS ONE* 🗣️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Awwwwww shit, heavy metal is back in Mario
First Mario Wonder, now Paper Mario and I'm here for it
@@tyrayentali7041 don't forget, bowser's fury DLC.
Since..Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze.😎
Death Metal! 🤘
NO THE PRINCESS WHAT IS SHE DOING YOUR SUPPOSED TO OBEY ME
*The shadow queens defense dropped to 0*
Everyone should stop saying one version of this song is better or worse than the other. They're both incredible, just in different ways.
The original was meant to encapsulate the finality of this fight, the final hurdle between you and victory - "This is the final battle. Let's do this, Mario."
The remade track is focusing much more on how powerful the Shadow Queen is - "We're against a being of more power than has never seen before - but we can do it. Let's save the world from certain death, once and for all."
Ok this is addictive.
shoutout to the star sprite bingo that saved me when i was at 12 hp and severely low fp and sp
Original version was a rave, this one's a mosh pit.
😂😂😂 Because the Shadow Queen is the Queen of Death Metal! 🤘
Doing this with Double Pain, P-Up D-Down, and without using Danger Mario is a rush.
"You were talking?"
- Carbon Christ
“Payment Time”
I always make sure to switch to vivian for this fight. that way you let her beat up her evil mom.
This theme hits so much harder when you forget to equip feeling fine and feeling fine p 😂😂😂..... thank god Vivian still attackdd the queen when she was confused and not mario.....
0:01 Autobots, transform and roll out!
The original was more chaotic. The new track sounds like it’s reminding you that you’re up against a god. It’s an interesting change.
The Shadow Queen? More like the Shadow Goddess.
I would say that what the remake version adds is an underlying feeling of madness. The original was very eldritch and ethereal, with some hints of majesty when the violins played. The remake ramped up the intensity while also adding voices wailing and chanting in the background of certain parts, which remind you how utterly insane the Shadow Queen is.
They re-revived the Shadow Queen!!!
The Shadow Queen was never alive to begin with and to my knowledge this is the reason why she can only be sealed away. She was slain in battle by heroes in the past but her soul was unable to rest so they had to trap her. Mario would later again seal her soul away again but substantially weaken it so this time the seal remains permanent.
Shoutout to Mrs Mowz who’s Love Kiss move helped heal me back up to 30HP and was enough to get me through to the end (heart was racing by the end)
Am I the only one that hears bits of The Ultimate Show and Battle with King Olly?
Why is nobody talking about 1:40? THEY LITERALLY PUT THE MAIN THEME LEMOTIVE AND ONLY I NOTICED!!😮😮😊😊
It's been there since 2004, but is way more dramatic and noticeable for sure.
More interestingly, they added Bleck's motif in the extension.
if you have many power rush and 5hp. you can do anything!
Thank you quick change buff stalling
(fyi that's when you use quick change to switch a partner into battle, buff them, then switch out again then you have them switch in, attack, and leave. it might count as cheating so oopsies)
this song is genuinely so epic, im glad they remaked with (ofc, because new game). been listening to it from time to time since 2 years ago or so, def among my favorite games ost:)
0:14 Love how this part became the bit before the music locks into full throttle
This soundtrack slaps like the Shadow Queen herself.
They did not need to go hard on the guitar but its much appreciated.
That bass is kickass, too.
The Queen of Death Metal. 🤘
Didn‘t expect a Mario RPG to have this challenging of a final Boss. But I‘m not complaining!
Just kind of wish Vivian didn‘t trivialize the entire Fight
Could you upload the remake version of "Sadness and Happiness"?
ruclips.net/video/w6jlxWr5Xz4/видео.html
@@charismaentertainer1657 thanks
2:12 Those violins, they did not have to go this hard
As my as I would of beat this game in a week, I wanted to enjoy it like a glass of wine 🍷 before it’s sadly over for one of my favorite Paper Mario games of all time and this is far more then a expected for a badass final boss theme. I totally see this more like a Shadow King fit if the game had one more Shadow tyrant expectedly final FINAL boss like thing!
Perhaps in the next Paper Mario, should Nintendo get their head out of their asses, they'll expand on The Thousand-Year Door's story. Kind of like how they did for Breath of the Wild with Tears of the Kingdom.
In Breath of the Wild, we had no idea that Ganondorf lay dormant under Hyrule Castle. So, Intelligent System can conjure a similar plot for expanding on The Thousand-Year Door and explaining what happened to the Shadow King during the Shadow Queen's reign.
I ain’t gonna lie, this is probably the best Paper Mario final boss song I’ve heard.
Imo, it’s a major improvement from the original. The electric guitar and choirs add so much to this. And the new part added to this is a chef’s goddamn kiss.
Probably tied with Spectacular Finale and King of the Koopas for my personal favorite final battle themes in the series
My mouth was wide open to the floor when I heard how Nintendo remade this.
Word on the street is that this and all the other battle themes with the Shadow Queen suck????
…No…I’m sorry but I have to heavily disagree with this. Maybe this is my guitar bias coming back again, but this is a phenomenal remix. And even though there’s a bigger emphasis on guitars and violins like most of the other tracks in the remake, I think it still sells the eerie vibe of the Shadow Queen, how you’re fighting this eldritch demon that’s hell bent on ending the world *and you* too.
Although one thing I can say is that, I feel like there should’ve been an organ playing here too. The guitar mixing in with the violin and the haunting vocals are friggin great, but I feel like some parts could’ve been played with an organ there, since it felt like the OG them had a major emphasis on it. I think that’s what slightly holds this track back for me and makes me liking phase 1 of the theme a bit more. But both tracks are KILLER don’t get the wrong idea here.
An organ definitely would have sold just how evil the Shadow Queen of Death Metal is. She's definitely one of my favorite villains alongside Grodus and Dimentio. Truly evil bastards.
Sounds like it could’ve come out of Castlevania, I love it!!
1:39
Maaariooooooo!
Maaariiooooooo!
Maaaariioooooooooo!
Maaaaariioooooooooooo!
Was it just me, or did they make the Bingos a LOT easier to get during this battle? (I managed to get two in a row)
One of them is always scripted to happen, even in the original. The other you got lucky.
The first Bingo after the supporting cutscene (yes even in the OG) is a guaranteed Shine
The bingos after that are up to your luck
@@leonmystique9372Well the bingoes are entirely timeable, but yeah the first one is scripted.
@@bluerious5475 Yeah, is it easier to time it in the remake than the OG tho?
@@leonmystique9372 I swear it's actually harder to time BINGO in the remake literally because lower framerate makes it harder to see the roulette.
Oh shit! Carbon is destroying the world!
(If anyone does not know what im talking about please go watch the badly translated version of paper mario ttyd)
well if Dimentio is the kefka of mario, the shadow queennstands on her own
if Dimentio is Kefka, that'd make the SQ Exdeath, which somehow fits.
Sounds better than the Gamecube version, refuse to play the original game now since the remake is out well few months ago in 2024 of May its End of September as I wrote this comment, it seems Nintendo/Intelligent Systems outdone themselves with this version of final battle of Shadow Queen. Beaten this boss on my Second Attempt, the trick here is to power up Vivan the second time, use the firey Jinx on those Shadow Queen Hands. Think it works just the same, all the way back in the Paper Mario Thousand Year Door Version of the Gamecube of 2004.
The arranged OST is terrible. It completely misunderstood what made the original’s OST so great which was the use of synths in such an unique way. Both origami and TTYD remake are just generic metal orchestral tracks.
Thank god they added the GC medal.
I’d been uneasy about the late game tracks since I wasn’t a fan of a couple of the chapter boss tracks in comparison to their OGs, but FUCK did Chapters 6-8 blow my worries out of the water
i just beat the shadow Queen for the first time yesterday took me 3 trys but wow sutch a tough battle. i had never played this before and it was my first time sutch a fun game but the last part rely puts you though your paces and this soundtrack slaps.
That's weird we beat the game the same day lol
First fight to make me upset, beat her in 4 tries (No Mega rush or Quick change Lvl 26)
I liked the challenge though it was close, almost beat her 2nd try but didn't take the risk of attacking since we were both one shot. Note: you should focus spring jump with mario on Shadow Queen and use your partner for everything else including switching out otherwise you lose a turn. Quick change fixes the problem but I used my BP for P Up D Down and a Defense up badge so I had a total of 3 Attack up badges.
Man, the first 0:30 of this makes it so obvious this has the same composer as Advance Wars Dual Strike lol
There's something about this that makes me want to Dance in a particularly Mad fashion.
You sound like a chapter of a self-help book.
@@ihavepissinmybrain Hell yeah brother/sister/etc.
@@Wes9859
Death Metal! 🤘
Also, I don’t see anyone else bringing this up, but anyone else find it strange that they slightly nerfed the Shadow Queen’s health? She had 200 HP in the GC version, but on Switch she has 150. Not that it makes it any less harder to beat her, but still weird that they did that.
she's always had 150 HP. The one with 200 is Bonetail
@@yumyumenochi Ok, that makes. I heard that apparently I got the numbers wrong.
"not that it makes it any less harder to be her"
the shadow queen in the remake noticing Peach's higher fidelity sprite
Super Paper Kirby OST: FOR THE WORLD!! ~ VS Corrupt Susie (final)
They fumbled 0:58 so much but literally every other part of the song goes so hard it doesn't even matter bro oh my god
Oh, if only the Game Grumps could have waited 7 years and played this version... There's a new option to skip all the cutscenery you had to go through before fighting her. Then Dan wouldn't be so mad. He'd only be somewhat mad.
Did you upload the music for the Shadow Sirens battle theme or did i juat gloss over it?
How do I beat the evil princess peach at the end of the game?
0:59 Sad that they changed the part from the og ost 😢
they didn't change it, they added the vocals and put the melody in the background
@@vladi3862The vocals were there, they just made the melody quieter for some reason
I still can't decide if I like this theme or the original more but it's definitely not worse the original like the xnaut fortress theme.
Start sounds like… dimento music box
Apparently, they sneaked in the motif for Count Bleck at 2:06!
i only won this because of a mushroom bingo
Man, both parties defending the og and the ramake version are so hostile, and they don't even have good valid arguments. 😂
Ya'll need to get off the internet and touch grass honestly.
this version >>> the original
Best part starts at 0:31
My favorite part is when the guitar and bass drums go crazy for a couple seconds. That shit goes HARD! DEATH METAL! 🤘
i have given up on this specific boss battle because i am never able to fight her with out her hp refilling. I'm getting on to super mario rpg because of how much shit is in paper mario and how hard it is so there will just be a save file with all the stars and no completion star. if this comment gets 50 or 30 likes im going to quit mario kart 8 and dedicate in beating her once and for all
A rare occurrence where the original was better.
if you think about it this theme not having an organ is pretty appropriate because the head of a paper mario fan doesn't have one either
Huge glow up for the OST as a whole. Went from the worst paper Mario OST to one of the best
true. now it's the second best soundtrack, first being origami king for obvious reasons
To even call the original ost of ttyd the worst is one of the most garbage takes I've ever read. No way you actually think trash like color splash onward has better ost
@@lordninetails514 I've played all the paper Mario games. The modern games have Many Many problems but the music is not one of them. For the record ttyd is my favorite game In the series, but the transition from the n64's weirdly designed music system to the GameCube's more standardized one hurt ttyd's OST badly. It works a lot better now
@@unraged6004 Nah you just have modern bias. Playing through this remake I did like a good amount of the new music in the game but the sheer amount of songs that have a guitar thrown in it for no reason is just excessive which is exactly what origami king does as well. The last paper Mario with music variety was honestly sticker star then everything after that just took the "smash ultimate" approach and everything uses a guitar or violin, it's dull
@@lordninetails514 I grew up with ttyd. Also clearly you weren't paying attention. as some examples the glitz pit theme uses an erhu and doopliss's theme has a harpsichord bells and chimes
Least overproduced ttyd remake song:
This is so subpar compared to the original, it’s like it’s Bowsers theme with all the trash rock.
At least say "it's not my thing, you know?" Both versions for both themes have solid merits, even if I prefer the remake versions.
@@aaronTGP_3756
I wish they worked on this more is all I’m saying
0:31-0:44 the original sounds better
Cope
@@TheLoneSandslash
Ah yes, the usual dude who goes around getting angry at any source of criticism 😂
@@OfLanceTheLonginus good to know you didn't contribute anything.
@@TheLoneSandslash good to know you're still around ^^
Good to know you still don't have a solid argument 😂
damn they totally ruined this huh
0:31 that part was so iconic in the original and its been butchered
Calling it ruined is quite the stretch. I agree some parts of the song I prefer the original, but this one is still a banger.
Cope
Agreed it’s really bad
This sounds like an interns first work, and you get morons defending it too. Sad
@@OfLanceTheLonginusit's sad to know that your best criticism it's calling it an intern's first work, plus now that I know you have both an invalid criticism and minor spelling mistakes, you only say this add fuel to the fire, and makes me believe you have never played neither the og and the remake.
@@TheLoneSandslash
"Hmm yes from my expert armchair psychiatry I can deduce you never played the original"
Lol, lmao even. You don't know someone from a youtube comment my friend.
Cope that it doesn't hold a candle to the OG. Sounds way too much like Bowser's theme, womp womp. Just...damn, is this your first time arguing? Do you hear the lack of organs? FFS stop being so accepting of this to the point you defend it like a mad dog.
I never played the original, but I've heard the soundtrack and this SUCKS compared to the original.
how
You're actually tripping
don't talk to 30yo people biased by nostalgia
@@vladi3862you are equally shit to the biased 30 yo people. I prefer the og and there is nothing wrong with that, the people in the wrong are those who can't accept others' opinions
You're wrong, they added SAUCE to the song