I never realised before, but the reason the Blackbird suddenly shows up on Dradis is BECAUSE Starbuck messages Apollo back. It's encrypted, but she still has to transmit a signal and everyone immediately detects it. And because she's still in 'stealth mode' she doesn't have any friendly transponder... so she flags as unidentified. Nice touch!
Roslyn can be extreme, but I agree with her more often than not. She knows a killer when she meets one! (I don't know if it's intentional, but in the "Buck Rogers" serial and stories, his arch enemy is Killer Caine. There's also "The Caine Mutiny", a famous play and film about a sea captain who may or may not have deserved his crew to mutiny against him). Romance and complicated relationships? Ooooh Boy, just wait!!!
I love Doc Cottle. I have since the first appearance. It's almost like he's the lead in his own series playing some salty old school doctor and he has no idea about space or cylons. He's just trying to do his job but all these people keep walking in asking for help with all these weird problems so he goes along with it because he's too tired to argue.
I can't believe I never noticed Adama wiping away a tear in that scene. Thanks for calling it out, Kat. Really a great acting/directing choice to make it so subtle.
@@KatAlysha Hi Kat. Just thought you might be interested in this artist! her name is Andy St-Louis and she plays a great jazz keyboard. In this vid, she plays 'Le pouding à l'arsenic - from the film - Astérix et Cléopâtre The intro to her channel reads "Enter the world of Andy St-Louis, a young singer-songwriter who is not afraid to burn the boards!" Note her T-Shirt in this vid. I think you'll approve! For context of the song, the two main villains of the film are in a kitchen making a very nasty cake and this is a song about the ingredients.
you can even see a tear roll down over his nose before he gets up just earlier in the scene. I had to rewind and let the heartbreak hit extra when I noticed it this time.
They made a stand alone called razor that goes in to the back story of why Cain is the way she is and why she hates that six so much i wont give it away here but it's easier to understand after watching razor.
Razor was "canon'ed" into the episodes stack further on. You should wait to see it in sequence since here is a BIG prophesy DUMP that needs to be kept in sequence.
@@kevenpinder7025 What do you mean? If you watched on Netflix you saw it at the end of this season. You could say that was the canonised order. If you watched on TV you watch it way after it's relevant. People usually separate it as chronological vs release date. There is no spoiler. It just poses a question.
@@jodytollefson7187 Razor was released as a stand alone presentation after the end of Season 3. Chronologically, it's supposed to be between 2-29 and 2-30. When is best? Effed if I know. Don't even get me started on the webisodes, whose importance is underrated. All I know is The Plan is best saved for last, as tepid as it is.
Doc Cottle reminds me of my daddy. He used to smoke 5 packs of smokes a day AND worked in medicine. 100 cigarettes a day chain smoking, hospital rules were different decades ago...then he quit, cold turkey when I was young. Without spoilers ...the last conversation that Doc Cottle and Laura Roslyn have together,not saying when or what it's in regards to but it brings me to tears...every time I watch it. Doc Cottle will grow on you.☺️💚
I remember back in your reaction for Water, Kat was cooing "she's so *soft*," about Roslin, not describing her as weak, but how she just sort of enfolded problems like a duvet and hugged them to death. And then came the Act of Contrition/You Can't Go Home Again 2-parter, where she went, in Paula's words, "straight for the throat" to get the Adamas to give in on terminating the search for Starbuck. And then came Flesh and Bone: "Throw it out the airlock." Then she lied through her teeth to Helo, promising no harm would come to Sharon when she had every intent of having her executed. And now here, "You've gotta kill [Cain]." Whenever Roslin shows the steel underneath the velvet, you both act surprised for a second, and then you remember "oh right she's like that now." I'd argue she always was like that. She can be diplomatic and talk softly and be kind, when circumstances allow it, but when she thinks circumstances demand it she makes hard decisions. Back in the miniseries, she left everyone who didn't have an FTL drive behind to die. No matter how it visibly pained her to do so, that's pretty ruthless. And then after leaving behind thousands of people to be massacred by nuclear fire, she gently, patiently talked Adama into realizing the war was lost and running to find some other planet to settle on. Because she can talk to Adama. Adama can be reasoned with. Those Cylon Raiders couldn't be reasoned with. Admiral Cain, to Roslin, is beyond reason at this point, and they don't have the force to make her listen--and, so long as she's alive, there will be those loyal to her who won't obey Roslin herself or Adama. Ergo, Cain needs to die. Is she right? I dunno. But the funny thing is, to me...okay, you know how when you were a kid, if you saw your teacher at the grocery store it was super weird? The idea of a teacher as a person who existed outside of school was baffling until I was like fourteen. I think at some level the writers played that same trick on the audience. By playing up at the start that she was a schoolteacher--both with people deriding her as that and in the way she dealt with issues, by gently talking to people until they regressed to ten years old and obeyed her like children caught doing something naughty, and maybe even the illness giving her this air of frailty--they baited the audience into thinking that that was all she was. But she's a person who exists outside that context. She _was_ a schoolteacher...and also a grown woman with a full history and her own hobbies and dislikes and quirks. *Then* she was a politician trying to set educational policy for a society of 50 billion people. *_Now_* she's the president of the last survivors of a species on the run from an enemy with seemingly-inexhaustible resources. Sometimes some of her old training and thinking comes through, but it shouldn't be terribly surprising when you see her, metaphorically, at the grocery store buying liquor and cigarettes.
The difference in the assassination plans shows the difference between their commands. Cain knows no one on Galactica will follow her, so she needs to kill the entire command structure. While those on Pegasus only follow out of fear, remove Cain and (almost) everyone else will cooperate with Adama.
I remember watching this on its first run and Adama pausing to wipe the tears still chokes me up 18 years later. I always wondered if it was scripted or improvised but it was genius either way and added yet another layer to his portrayal of Adama! The effects team were also genius with that shot of viper chaos morphing into a consolidated attack formation. Epic.
I love how y'all made the "and I oop" face in the middle of your comments when Roslin was like "yo, you gotta get rid of Cain." It makes sense that she would tell Bill to do that, but it's still one of those lines that catches you off guard. Especially with the way Mary McDonnell delivers it. It's got this energy to it, like she already made up her mind before Cain walked into the room and was just waiting for the chance to say it.
It's such a big moment for Adama to be able to compromise his principles to order Starbuck to shoot Cain. Not only does it to against everything he believes as a military officer, but he himself was shot in CIC during a moment of celebration by a trusted member of his crew. He's asking someone to commit a crime he himself was a victim of.
Actually, I don't think it does. Cain is a domestic danger to the Colonial government. It is actually Cain who has abandoned her principals as she is planning a coup against the Civilian Leadership which is why she plans to take out Adama and his command crew, as they haven't abandoned their first principals like she has. This is a case where his plans aren't going against his principals, but a DIRECT RESULT of them.
There are spoiler-free things I want to say about what I wanted to happen with the series after this episode without telling whether or not it happened... but that by typing them it would suggest that such things won't happen. So all I can say is: Enjoy the wild ride of the rest of the season! "He's a good man." Suddenly forgetting his arresting the president. 😛 This is why this show was so popular, showed the dark sides of even "the good people".
At the beginning of the series Adama was in the same place as Cain, wanting to continue the war. But Roslin pointed out to him that the war was over. Humanity had been reduced to a handful of survivors who were no match for the Cylons. Their best option was to flee, find a new world and start having babies to rebuild their population. But Cain never got that message. Now she's doing the Cylon's work, killing humans, wiping out survivors and, by constantly seeking fights with the Cylons, serving up her own crew to them on a silver platter.
I doubt Cain would have been open to that message. It's also worth noting that Roslin came very close to getting the remnants of humanity killed by insisting on focusing solely on rescuing survivors and ignoring the ongoing danger posed by the Cylons. Had Apollo not been there, the survivors she gathered likely would have been wiped out. Roslin and Adama complement each other, but both started out with too narrow a focus. The difference is that they're willing to listen, while Cain isn't.
And it worth willing to note that Adama never once talked about stripping civilian ships or shanghai'ing their crews (or the 'valuable members' thereof); Cain seemed to have no problem nor hesitation doing so- and pretty sure their Civilian Fleet was well outside of the Cyrannus system, so stripping them of jump drives was absolutely a death sentence.
28:55 I'm sorry! Paula, You're adorable! I agree, "Mom and Dad" are so great together. Caine represents a sever threat to what Adama and Roslin has built here. Roslin sees this and has no intention of letting her death open up for Caine to destroy it.
So you watched this one just an hour or so after the last one. That explains why you were the most chill reactors I have ever seen with respect to the previous episode's cliffhanger. Many of us who watched as the show first aired had four months worth of seeing the opposing Pegasus and Galactica vipers flying at each other. And then when this episode finally aired, in a sense it ended at the exact same place as the last one: Why do we need Cylons to kill us, when we can do such a great job of it all by ourselves?
These 2 episodes (this and next) are like the best of both worlds on TNG. In a way.. the best the show ever was in certain respects, with characters and stories coming to a pinnacle thats rarely matched.
There’s something to be said for Roslyn’s ability to “play for keeps”. Someone near the end of their life, trying to establish a legacy as a dying leader, (prophesied or not)will do anything to protect her entire species.
"Are you pal-curious". Sorry couldn't think of anything that sounded bi curious. Lol. Great reaction and the intro and outros were warm and funny as usual. Both looking great too. 👍👍
I always thought the first scene with Baltar and Gina was one of the best of the series. Definitely watch the movie Razors for the back story of Admiral Cain.
I always love the scene in this with Adm. Cain and Cmdr Adama being lectured by the President on Colonial One. It's like two rowdy students being called into the Principal's office for fighting... Of course, since Laura Roslin was (before the Cylon attack) the Secretary of Education (and an actual teacher before that...), that imagery is probably intentional, right down to the "I'm not angry, I'm disappointed. You've let me down, you've let the fleet down, but worst of all, you've let yourselves down" tone she takes with them.
As surviving head of the Government , from which Cain gains her rank and authority , Rosylyn could have promoted Adama .With this show the result would do the Cylons job for them . A lot of dark threads interwoven in this series the acting and production is first class and it's become a fascinating watch - as have your reactions .
10:32, that idea is stupid as heck. On this show battlestars are like a mix of an aircraft carrier, ballistic submarine and a battleship. Also they can operate without support for extended periods but NOT forever. In the real world when an aircraft carrier leaves port it is accompanied by several smaller ships (i.e. cruisers, frigates, subs, destroyers) that each have a function in the overall mission. They form what is called carrier battle (or strike) group. In the original show the Colonial Fleet had only 12 Battlestars to protect the human race. Due to Ronald D. Moore's real life US Navy experience the fleet in this version has literally hundreds of Battlestars each with its own strike group. So Caine wants to take back 12 whole planets with only 2 battlestars... yeah right. Starbuck should have immediately walked out of this room and told Adama "Hey Boss this lady is off her meds".
24:42 Her name is Gina and it has a rather funny origin. When this show started, the fans of the original BSG from 1978 didn't like it. So much so they called it "Galactica In Name Only" or GINO in short. The showrunners then decided to use this acronym as a name for a character in their show. To throw this in old fan's faces, I guess.
I think Cain’s plan was what she told Starbuck: kick Cylon ass until they retake the Colonies. She doesn’t have any “we’re going to runaway until we find Earth” idea
I don't think she's even heard about Earth, but she wouldn't care. To me, she represents what could happen when you don't have faith or hope in anything.
Sorry,, but something I've wondered about war (especially space war, where you have limited facilities/crew and can't exactly re-stock on supplies) who the hell made that impeccable Cylon ship model in time to use it for the battlefield table at 19:02? Do they have a 3D printer on a battle ship or did someone hand make that? More so with world war 2. Where are the guy's who made all those little Soldier, plane, ship and tank models and were they actually considered to be contributing to the war effort?
Regarding the Adama/Roslin ship, I think at this point in prouction, Eddie Olmos was against a romance between the characters. He thought Adama saw her as a religious zealot and thus dangerous.
Hiya fracking GG 👋🏻 To me you will always be Gallifrey Gals since the very beginning on Doctor Who 💙🫵🏻 Anyhow, great short sweet episode 👍🏻👍🏻 Paula, what’s that design on this weeks mug please? See you gals soon “ So say we all” 🫡🚀🛸🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖
Cain's plan is what Adama's might have been is Roslin hadn't reined him in: kill every cylon. There is no "what comes after"... kill all cylons is the victory condition. It's the same for the cylons...why are they chasing the fleet? They have agents inside and know the fleet isn't really a threat to them. It's the same for the Daleks, everything that isn't Dalek being dead _is_ the reward. Real wars aren't usually fought for pure vengeance, but that happens in sci-fi wars a lot.
I think the Cylons are pursuing because they are afraid that if the fleet finds a new home planet, they would rebuild and come back as a larger threat. Cylons know how vindictive and ruthless we humans can be. In the original show, the Cylons follows the edict that they would not let even one human get away alive. In one episode they showed what one genius level human with resources could do. To be honest, despite the Cylons being the bad guys they are right. If it took us several generations we would hit them back. Because we humans would always see the existence of the Cylons as a threat to our survival.
"Other Six" is named Gina. To find out the past relationship between Gina & Cain, watch the movie Razor. It also gives you a lot of Cain history. Cain is a petty dictator. Her crew are loyal to her. (They've only had each other) of course she'd kill everyone loyal to Bill Adama! Her command is based on competition. As pointed out in Pegasus, Adama's command is a family. Starbuck wants to go back to the Colonies to rescue Anders & his people, keeping her promise.
As an aside - Knowing you and Paula like cats Larry the Downing street Chief Mouser welcomed his sixth Prime Minister to No10 , plenty of videos of him this week .
War is by nature pretty horrifying - going by the contemporary laws and customs of war, what Kane did (in terms of abandoning Pegasus’ fleet) is probably not a war crime. The summary executions on the other hand, probably were. Most actions in war, even ones as repugnant as marooning those civilians can be ‘legal’ if the circumstances are right: in this case Kane can put forward a pretty compelling ‘military necessity’ argument as to why it was lawful to seize the supplies; it’s a bit more of a stretch to say she absolutely had to order those executions. Not a war crime is of course a pretty low bar and is not the same as right or justified.
You see? 🤔 Doctor Cottle isn't so bad after all 😉 You should watch Razor, the TV movie, at some point and you'll find out how many of the stories you've heard and Admiral Cain are true.
There equal but in different ways. Guinan was very helpful to more in the moment problems that people were having. Troi was more dealing with people longterm problems
Traditionally, "martial law" is when the military takes control of civilian society. You wouldn't normally talk about people in the military being "under martial law" because military discipline is just their default state of affairs. Also! When Cain orders her XO to "terminate Adama's command," that doesn't actually mean "Kill every single person in the _Galactica_ CIC." Not necessarily, anyway. "Starting with Adama" *definitely does* mean "Assassinate Commander Adama," but the other officers and crew on _Galactica_... _*_might_*_ survive... _*_if_*_ they don't resist. That scene shows Cain planning a coup, not necessarily a massacre (though she has no compunctions against turning it into a massacre, if the _Galactica_ crew put up a fight).
There was an Admiral Cain in the 80s BSG, tho HE was more of a loose cannon than a calculating control freak. This Cain was more of a nod to the Bible's first murderer. Re "Cain," check out a GREAT indy flick, "He Never Died." Much underappreciated.
OK GALS! I always love your intelligent and funny reactions. BUT Kat..I don't like your hair... and Paula, yours looks great! SORRY :P Kat, perhaps try a Tasha Yar? Just an idea
I'm not sure I really understand the point of saying something like this to someone?? It's honestly rude and the "sorry" doesn't really make up for that
@ross8884 different looks that are *for* me. I don't do them for others. Again, just casually saying sorry after giving an insult to someone's appearance isn't the way. Especially after making a point to compare Paula and I.That is something that you could easily keep to yourself. Comments like this can really affect people's days and the way they look at themselves. Something to take into consideration.
@@ross8884 again, I'm explaining to you how a comment like that isn't just "silly" and also how it was not perceived in that way. I'm trying to use this as a moment to help you understand why it's not something that's necessary to say to someone. I appreciate the support, we appreciate the support. But this is a moment where I'm expressing that a comment like that isn't supportive.
I'm not sure what else to say or explain. I've tried to express that commenting your dislike on someone's appearance isn't a joke. I did not attack you over it, I tried to have a conversation about it. If you'd like to keep dragging this out and use it as a reason to not like or support us, then that is on you.
I never realised before, but the reason the Blackbird suddenly shows up on Dradis is BECAUSE Starbuck messages Apollo back. It's encrypted, but she still has to transmit a signal and everyone immediately detects it. And because she's still in 'stealth mode' she doesn't have any friendly transponder... so she flags as unidentified. Nice touch!
Roslyn can be extreme, but I agree with her more often than not. She knows a killer when she meets one! (I don't know if it's intentional, but in the "Buck Rogers" serial and stories, his arch enemy is Killer Caine. There's also "The Caine Mutiny", a famous play and film about a sea captain who may or may not have deserved his crew to mutiny against him). Romance and complicated relationships? Ooooh Boy, just wait!!!
I love Doc Cottle. I have since the first appearance. It's almost like he's the lead in his own series playing some salty old school doctor and he has no idea about space or cylons. He's just trying to do his job but all these people keep walking in asking for help with all these weird problems so he goes along with it because he's too tired to argue.
I can't believe I never noticed Adama wiping away a tear in that scene. Thanks for calling it out, Kat. Really a great acting/directing choice to make it so subtle.
I saw it and felt my heart break just a little more 😭
@@KatAlysha Hi Kat. Just thought you might be interested in this artist! her name is Andy St-Louis and she plays a great jazz keyboard.
In this vid, she plays 'Le pouding à l'arsenic - from the film - Astérix et Cléopâtre The intro to her channel reads "Enter the world of Andy St-Louis, a young singer-songwriter who is not afraid to burn the boards!" Note her T-Shirt in this vid. I think you'll approve!
For context of the song, the two main villains of the film are in a kitchen making a very nasty cake and this is a song about the ingredients.
you can even see a tear roll down over his nose before he gets up just earlier in the scene. I had to rewind and let the heartbreak hit extra when I noticed it this time.
They made a stand alone called razor that goes in to the back story of why Cain is the way she is and why she hates that six so much i wont give it away here but it's easier to understand after watching razor.
They should watch Razor at some point.☺️
Razor was "canon'ed" into the episodes stack further on. You should wait to see it in sequence since here is a BIG prophesy DUMP that needs to be kept in sequence.
@@Rees2005 I agree.
@@kevenpinder7025 What do you mean? If you watched on Netflix you saw it at the end of this season. You could say that was the canonised order. If you watched on TV you watch it way after it's relevant. People usually separate it as chronological vs release date. There is no spoiler. It just poses a question.
@@jodytollefson7187 Razor was released as a stand alone presentation after the end of Season 3. Chronologically, it's supposed to be between 2-29 and 2-30. When is best? Effed if I know. Don't even get me started on the webisodes, whose importance is underrated. All I know is The Plan is best saved for last, as tepid as it is.
I adored the Roslin inviting Cain over for tea scenario the gal pals created.
Doc Cottle reminds me of my daddy. He used to smoke 5 packs of smokes a day AND worked in medicine. 100 cigarettes a day chain smoking, hospital rules were different decades ago...then he quit, cold turkey when I was young.
Without spoilers ...the last conversation that Doc Cottle and Laura Roslyn have together,not saying when or what it's in regards to but it brings me to tears...every time I watch it.
Doc Cottle will grow on you.☺️💚
I remember back in your reaction for Water, Kat was cooing "she's so *soft*," about Roslin, not describing her as weak, but how she just sort of enfolded problems like a duvet and hugged them to death.
And then came the Act of Contrition/You Can't Go Home Again 2-parter, where she went, in Paula's words, "straight for the throat" to get the Adamas to give in on terminating the search for Starbuck. And then came Flesh and Bone: "Throw it out the airlock." Then she lied through her teeth to Helo, promising no harm would come to Sharon when she had every intent of having her executed. And now here, "You've gotta kill [Cain]."
Whenever Roslin shows the steel underneath the velvet, you both act surprised for a second, and then you remember "oh right she's like that now."
I'd argue she always was like that. She can be diplomatic and talk softly and be kind, when circumstances allow it, but when she thinks circumstances demand it she makes hard decisions. Back in the miniseries, she left everyone who didn't have an FTL drive behind to die. No matter how it visibly pained her to do so, that's pretty ruthless. And then after leaving behind thousands of people to be massacred by nuclear fire, she gently, patiently talked Adama into realizing the war was lost and running to find some other planet to settle on. Because she can talk to Adama. Adama can be reasoned with. Those Cylon Raiders couldn't be reasoned with.
Admiral Cain, to Roslin, is beyond reason at this point, and they don't have the force to make her listen--and, so long as she's alive, there will be those loyal to her who won't obey Roslin herself or Adama. Ergo, Cain needs to die.
Is she right? I dunno. But the funny thing is, to me...okay, you know how when you were a kid, if you saw your teacher at the grocery store it was super weird? The idea of a teacher as a person who existed outside of school was baffling until I was like fourteen. I think at some level the writers played that same trick on the audience. By playing up at the start that she was a schoolteacher--both with people deriding her as that and in the way she dealt with issues, by gently talking to people until they regressed to ten years old and obeyed her like children caught doing something naughty, and maybe even the illness giving her this air of frailty--they baited the audience into thinking that that was all she was.
But she's a person who exists outside that context. She _was_ a schoolteacher...and also a grown woman with a full history and her own hobbies and dislikes and quirks. *Then* she was a politician trying to set educational policy for a society of 50 billion people. *_Now_* she's the president of the last survivors of a species on the run from an enemy with seemingly-inexhaustible resources. Sometimes some of her old training and thinking comes through, but it shouldn't be terribly surprising when you see her, metaphorically, at the grocery store buying liquor and cigarettes.
The difference in the assassination plans shows the difference between their commands. Cain knows no one on Galactica will follow her, so she needs to kill the entire command structure. While those on Pegasus only follow out of fear, remove Cain and (almost) everyone else will cooperate with Adama.
This is not a spoiler, but I can assure you that Doc Cottle is an authentic, funny, chain-smoking saint all the way to the end. :)
EVERY time I feel the impulse to take up strenuous exercise, I lay down and wait for it to go away.
Whenever I feel the urge, my go-to is the squat. The jack squat.
I remember watching this on its first run and Adama pausing to wipe the tears still chokes me up 18 years later. I always wondered if it was scripted or improvised but it was genius either way and added yet another layer to his portrayal of Adama!
The effects team were also genius with that shot of viper chaos morphing into a consolidated attack formation. Epic.
Roslyn was a school teacher, but she's 100% a warrior when confronted with this world.
I love how y'all made the "and I oop" face in the middle of your comments when Roslin was like "yo, you gotta get rid of Cain." It makes sense that she would tell Bill to do that, but it's still one of those lines that catches you off guard. Especially with the way Mary McDonnell delivers it. It's got this energy to it, like she already made up her mind before Cain walked into the room and was just waiting for the chance to say it.
It's such a big moment for Adama to be able to compromise his principles to order Starbuck to shoot Cain. Not only does it to against everything he believes as a military officer, but he himself was shot in CIC during a moment of celebration by a trusted member of his crew. He's asking someone to commit a crime he himself was a victim of.
Which is why he specifically told Starbuck to shoot Cain in the head. He survived 2 in the chest in the exact same situation.
Actually, I don't think it does. Cain is a domestic danger to the Colonial government. It is actually Cain who has abandoned her principals as she is planning a coup against the Civilian Leadership which is why she plans to take out Adama and his command crew, as they haven't abandoned their first principals like she has.
This is a case where his plans aren't going against his principals, but a DIRECT RESULT of them.
I never considered that is what happened to him. That makes it so much more impactful. Thanks for pointing that out!
There are spoiler-free things I want to say about what I wanted to happen with the series after this episode without telling whether or not it happened... but that by typing them it would suggest that such things won't happen. So all I can say is: Enjoy the wild ride of the rest of the season!
"He's a good man." Suddenly forgetting his arresting the president. 😛 This is why this show was so popular, showed the dark sides of even "the good people".
17:31, nothing like plotting a military coup to bring folks together. LOL.
At the beginning of the series Adama was in the same place as Cain, wanting to continue the war. But Roslin pointed out to him that the war was over. Humanity had been reduced to a handful of survivors who were no match for the Cylons. Their best option was to flee, find a new world and start having babies to rebuild their population. But Cain never got that message. Now she's doing the Cylon's work, killing humans, wiping out survivors and, by constantly seeking fights with the Cylons, serving up her own crew to them on a silver platter.
I doubt Cain would have been open to that message. It's also worth noting that Roslin came very close to getting the remnants of humanity killed by insisting on focusing solely on rescuing survivors and ignoring the ongoing danger posed by the Cylons. Had Apollo not been there, the survivors she gathered likely would have been wiped out. Roslin and Adama complement each other, but both started out with too narrow a focus. The difference is that they're willing to listen, while Cain isn't.
And it worth willing to note that Adama never once talked about stripping civilian ships or shanghai'ing their crews (or the 'valuable members' thereof); Cain seemed to have no problem nor hesitation doing so- and pretty sure their Civilian Fleet was well outside of the Cyrannus system, so stripping them of jump drives was absolutely a death sentence.
🔔 PAULA @ 13:27: You actually DON'T "get it", not fully. No one did. Not 'til they saw 'Razor'.
Great reaction video, you two are doing a great job on BSG and Lower Decks, two of my favorites.
28:55 I'm sorry! Paula, You're adorable!
I agree, "Mom and Dad" are so great together.
Caine represents a sever threat to what Adama and Roslin has built here. Roslin sees this and has no intention of letting her death open up for Caine to destroy it.
So you watched this one just an hour or so after the last one. That explains why you were the most chill reactors I have ever seen with respect to the previous episode's cliffhanger. Many of us who watched as the show first aired had four months worth of seeing the opposing Pegasus and Galactica vipers flying at each other.
And then when this episode finally aired, in a sense it ended at the exact same place as the last one: Why do we need Cylons to kill us, when we can do such a great job of it all by ourselves?
The background music that plays during Adama and Roslin's conversation at the end of the episode is a masterpiece.
These 2 episodes (this and next) are like the best of both worlds on TNG. In a way.. the best the show ever was in certain respects, with characters and stories coming to a pinnacle thats rarely matched.
There’s something to be said for Roslyn’s ability to “play for keeps”. Someone near the end of their life, trying to establish a legacy as a dying leader, (prophesied or not)will do anything to protect her entire species.
@@jordanewers5375 Cain = Rabid Dog. It's not a challenging equation. Painful? Yes. Challenging? No.
2:17 That's how I remember him saying it
"Are you pal-curious". Sorry couldn't think of anything that sounded bi curious. Lol. Great reaction and the intro and outros were warm and funny as usual. Both looking great too. 👍👍
I always thought the first scene with Baltar and Gina was one of the best of the series. Definitely watch the movie Razors for the back story of Admiral Cain.
Hey just noticed almost at 30 000 subs. Cool.
Another great reaction. I'm loving your musings on Galactica. You're a must watch for me now.😊
I always love the scene in this with Adm. Cain and Cmdr Adama being lectured by the President on Colonial One. It's like two rowdy students being called into the Principal's office for fighting...
Of course, since Laura Roslin was (before the Cylon attack) the Secretary of Education (and an actual teacher before that...), that imagery is probably intentional, right down to the "I'm not angry, I'm disappointed. You've let me down, you've let the fleet down, but worst of all, you've let yourselves down" tone she takes with them.
As surviving head of the Government , from which Cain gains her rank and authority , Rosylyn could have promoted Adama .With this show the result would do the Cylons job for them . A lot of dark threads interwoven in this series the acting and production is first class and it's become a fascinating watch - as have your reactions .
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10:32, that idea is stupid as heck. On this show battlestars are like a mix of an aircraft carrier, ballistic submarine and a battleship. Also they can operate without support for extended periods but NOT forever.
In the real world when an aircraft carrier leaves port it is accompanied by several smaller ships (i.e. cruisers, frigates, subs, destroyers) that each have a function in the overall mission. They form what is called carrier battle (or strike) group.
In the original show the Colonial Fleet had only 12 Battlestars to protect the human race. Due to Ronald D. Moore's real life US Navy experience the fleet in this version has literally hundreds of Battlestars each with its own strike group.
So Caine wants to take back 12 whole planets with only 2 battlestars... yeah right. Starbuck should have immediately walked out of this room and told Adama "Hey Boss this lady is off her meds".
24:42 Her name is Gina and it has a rather funny origin. When this show started, the fans of the original BSG from 1978 didn't like it. So much so they called it "Galactica In Name Only" or GINO in short. The showrunners then decided to use this acronym as a name for a character in their show. To throw this in old fan's faces, I guess.
Col. Tigh was very good at getting Fisk juiced up then getting valuable information out of him as to what Admiral Cain was really like and doing.
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I think Cain’s plan was what she told Starbuck: kick Cylon ass until they retake the Colonies. She doesn’t have any “we’re going to runaway until we find Earth” idea
I don't think she's even heard about Earth, but she wouldn't care. To me, she represents what could happen when you don't have faith or hope in anything.
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Sorry,, but something I've wondered about war (especially space war, where you have limited facilities/crew and can't exactly re-stock on supplies) who the hell made that impeccable Cylon ship model in time to use it for the battlefield table at 19:02? Do they have a 3D printer on a battle ship or did someone hand make that?
More so with world war 2. Where are the guy's who made all those little Soldier, plane, ship and tank models and were they actually considered to be contributing to the war effort?
happy BSG day. time for a galactic ALGO PUSH
Laura "Airlock" Roslin XD
Regarding the Adama/Roslin ship, I think at this point in prouction, Eddie Olmos was against a romance between the characters. He thought Adama saw her as a religious zealot and thus dangerous.
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To me you will always be Gallifrey Gals since the very beginning on Doctor Who 💙🫵🏻
Anyhow, great short sweet episode 👍🏻👍🏻
Paula, what’s that design on this weeks mug please?
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Cain's plan is what Adama's might have been is Roslin hadn't reined him in: kill every cylon. There is no "what comes after"... kill all cylons is the victory condition. It's the same for the cylons...why are they chasing the fleet? They have agents inside and know the fleet isn't really a threat to them. It's the same for the Daleks, everything that isn't Dalek being dead _is_ the reward. Real wars aren't usually fought for pure vengeance, but that happens in sci-fi wars a lot.
I think the Cylons are pursuing because they are afraid that if the fleet finds a new home planet, they would rebuild and come back as a larger threat. Cylons know how vindictive and ruthless we humans can be.
In the original show, the Cylons follows the edict that they would not let even one human get away alive. In one episode they showed what one genius level human with resources could do.
To be honest, despite the Cylons being the bad guys they are right. If it took us several generations we would hit them back. Because we humans would always see the existence of the Cylons as a threat to our survival.
Doc Cottle's first name is Sherman. :)
Oh and I am not sure that you do get it Paula. You might want to watch 'Razor' to see way more of why Cain hate's her prisoner.
Colonel Sherman T. Potter! ...erm, Cottle!
@@firefly24601 You put too much of a 'swoop' in T!
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Don’t forget you have battlestar galactica Razor movie centered on Admiral Cain
Another great episode , season 2 is defently the best season ...... and first half of season 3
For fun you two should watch Star Trek voyager equinox. The episode deal with similar themes and it’s a fun two parter.
"Other Six" is named Gina. To find out the past relationship between Gina & Cain, watch the movie Razor. It also gives you a lot of Cain history.
Cain is a petty dictator. Her crew are loyal to her. (They've only had each other) of course she'd kill everyone loyal to Bill Adama! Her command is based on competition. As pointed out in Pegasus, Adama's command is a family.
Starbuck wants to go back to the Colonies to rescue Anders & his people, keeping her promise.
Cain does have authority to swap Adama's crew. It's not recommended, but she can.
I've got some words I'd like to exchange with Admiral Cain 😠
"You know what Admiral Cain? I don't think this is very cash money of you"
As an aside - Knowing you and Paula like cats Larry the Downing street Chief Mouser welcomed his sixth Prime Minister to No10 , plenty of videos of him this week .
They originally wanted Jane Seymour to play Cain, because she was in the original series.
Now you guys gotta watch Battlestar galactica RAZOR.
Watching Razor at this point will give away spoilers, it's best to watch it after S02E17.
I would wait till after season 3 as it was released originally. There is a major spoiler about Starbuck.
Stress level from 12 to 13!
War is by nature pretty horrifying - going by the contemporary laws and customs of war, what Kane did (in terms of abandoning Pegasus’ fleet) is probably not a war crime. The summary executions on the other hand, probably were.
Most actions in war, even ones as repugnant as marooning those civilians can be ‘legal’ if the circumstances are right: in this case Kane can put forward a pretty compelling ‘military necessity’ argument as to why it was lawful to seize the supplies; it’s a bit more of a stretch to say she absolutely had to order those executions. Not a war crime is of course a pretty low bar and is not the same as right or justified.
You see? 🤔 Doctor Cottle isn't so bad after all 😉
You should watch Razor, the TV movie, at some point and you'll find out how many of the stories you've heard and Admiral Cain are true.
Don’t watch Razor until AFTER season 3 otherwise you will be spoiled by something revealed towards the end of the movie.
YAAAAAAAY BSG DAY
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Your musings prompted a question. On balance, who was the more effective "counselor," Troi or Guinan?
There equal but in different ways.
Guinan was very helpful to more in the moment problems that people were having.
Troi was more dealing with people longterm problems
Oooo... This is such a good question!! I feel like it can really go both ways depending on the episode being referenced!
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The Pegasus deck chiefs family was killed. Everyone left behind is dead cause the Cylons probably got them. The 6 on Pegasus name is Gina.
19:41 Razors.
"We can always pause it." Could you? 🤔
As far as Head Six being abusive towards Gaius, you have to admit he earns it.
Doc Cottle is the goat
You should see Photos of me lying on the top of my Bed wearing my Winnie the Pooh Onesie.
I am usually a release order person, but I think they should watch Razor sooner rather than later.
Advil is our frriennd...
nightmare nightmare nightmare
Pegasus Six = Gina Inviere.
Ladies your hair and outfits are on point these episodes.
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Traditionally, "martial law" is when the military takes control of civilian society. You wouldn't normally talk about people in the military being "under martial law" because military discipline is just their default state of affairs.
Also! When Cain orders her XO to "terminate Adama's command," that doesn't actually mean "Kill every single person in the _Galactica_ CIC." Not necessarily, anyway. "Starting with Adama" *definitely does* mean "Assassinate Commander Adama," but the other officers and crew on _Galactica_... _*_might_*_ survive... _*_if_*_ they don't resist. That scene shows Cain planning a coup, not necessarily a massacre (though she has no compunctions against turning it into a massacre, if the _Galactica_ crew put up a fight).
The Capt son got the Cylon girl pregnant and had a baby
War crimes? Civilians? She's Admiral Cain not Admiral Care.
Couldn't help it.
There was an Admiral Cain in the 80s BSG, tho HE was more of a loose cannon than a calculating control freak. This Cain was more of a nod to the Bible's first murderer. Re "Cain," check out a GREAT indy flick, "He Never Died." Much underappreciated.
Uhm Paula, you never salute with your left hand. That's a no no.
OK GALS! I always love your intelligent and funny reactions. BUT Kat..I don't like your hair... and Paula, yours looks great! SORRY :P Kat, perhaps try a Tasha Yar? Just an idea
I'm not sure I really understand the point of saying something like this to someone?? It's honestly rude and the "sorry" doesn't really make up for that
@@KatAlysha You have lots of different looks...just saying I didn't like one. Sorry,
@ross8884 different looks that are *for* me. I don't do them for others. Again, just casually saying sorry after giving an insult to someone's appearance isn't the way. Especially after making a point to compare Paula and I.That is something that you could easily keep to yourself. Comments like this can really affect people's days and the way they look at themselves. Something to take into consideration.
It's a small point on your hair...I love you GALS, everything about you, was just a silly point ,hope you'd take it in that way
@@ross8884 again, I'm explaining to you how a comment like that isn't just "silly" and also how it was not perceived in that way. I'm trying to use this as a moment to help you understand why it's not something that's necessary to say to someone.
I appreciate the support, we appreciate the support. But this is a moment where I'm expressing that a comment like that isn't supportive.
Just didn't like her hair that much, good god....loved them, until this point
I'm not sure what else to say or explain. I've tried to express that commenting your dislike on someone's appearance isn't a joke. I did not attack you over it, I tried to have a conversation about it. If you'd like to keep dragging this out and use it as a reason to not like or support us, then that is on you.
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