Is the New Dustopper Pro better than the original?
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2023
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We are trying out the new Dustopper Pro dust separator. We compare the new version to the original Dustopper low profile dust separator. We perform
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From Australia, I bought the original many years ago (at great expense because nobody distributes these in AU except Amazon) I made a custom timber box for it on wheels, insert a big heavy duty garbage bag, some weatherstrip seals the lid and lock the top on with toggle clamps, sealed the Duststopper to the lid with Sika 11FC, been running it for years without any issues, keeps my shop vac perfectly clean (I use a bag in the shop vac) and haven't replaced the bag in it after 4 years of use because basically nothing gets past the Duststopper, very happy with it, I can see how the new latches make it easier to use if using with a bucket and the seal helps efficiency, after seeing this I have no need to upgrade my one as it just works, thanks for the comparison.
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I just love when a company designs a product and then once they figure out all the stuff they did wrong or should have designed differently they don’t just update it they call it “Pro” and charge more instead of just updating the model.
You should message Dustopper and let them know how you feel. 😂😂
Before Home Depot even sold these Carpenters were making them
Didn't see anything that would make me wanna upgrade...not really any changes at all...
I have the original Dustopper. It’s nice they are still innovating and that your letting us know if it’s worth it! I was never a fan of how the old one comes off but it has served me well. Take care Jake.
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Thanks for another great side-by-side comparison video. The more you know 😁💯🔥🤣
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Thanks for the comparison video.
Thank you Phil 👍👍🦾
Excellent, thank you for doing this, I’m sold, going to buy 2 for my shop, I’m tired of replacing my filters every month …
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great job Jake, very well presented as always
Thank you JPeee
Great information Jake! Thank you! 💙
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That was a nice test and GOOD honest opinion on which one to buy.
Thanks Jake!
Thank you David.. Glad you enjoyed it.. I appreciate the feedback. 👍👍
Very cool. Great demonstration.
Thank you John boy.. this one didn’t suck! 🦾
Thank you very much for doing this review.
Very welcome 👍
And never considered inserting a gasket.
TY for the idea.
I use a 5 gallon ridgid and installed a muffler and built a shop caddy.
So it rolls around very well.
Nice video TY...
Nice.. Thank you, glad you enjoyed it.
Geez, when I ran track events in my race car, it was common for tracks to have a 90-95 dB sound limit... I now own a Dewalt vacuum that is WAY quieter than the usual competition. Very happy with it.
Awesome… Glad you enjoyed the video 👍👍
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I have found this to be a huge money saver.
Been on a constant reno project for a while.
Have sucked up everything. I put a brick in it so it doesn't flip over. I sometimes don't use the elbow (older version) and just jam the hose end straight down. It's just long enough.
The seal to the pail I don't care about as the worst thing that can happen is other random dust to get pulled in.
Great saver of drywall bags which are almost theft at the prices they charge.
It's close to paying for itself just in drywall bags.
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I have the regular Duststopper, bought within the last year, and it came with the more sweeping 90° elbows.
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Nice review. Have always wanted to get on to save my shopvac. Thanks for sharing
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You did a good job showing the difference between the two. But not worth the $60.00 to upgrade. I bought the original for $35.00. The upgrades they made are not that big, I like how they work though.
Thank you for watching Lee 👍👍
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Once mine breaks I’d upgrade. I can see the little ridged latches on the old one breaking eventually.
@@WalterMelons Exactly what happened to mine. Got brittle and broke off.
Thanks for good test and explanation.
Very welcome
very good Video , i like all of the information you have provided
Thank you Andrew 👍🦾
WOW. Very COoL. I had not idea (mark time). Thank you for the video. p.s. GR8T post-editing and super production value
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Thanks for putting this video up. I appreciate your straightforward delivery and how you went about comparing.
I have the original Dustopper and it came with two long sweep 90 elbows, not the tight 90 elbow. Personally I don't really mind how it snaps on and off.
I have done some preliminary anemometer airflow testing, and one thing for sure - which is intuitive anyway - the more connections and the longer the hose length, the greater the drop in airflow. All and any of that simply creates more friction on airflow and slows it down.
I don't have a dedicated piped system with a central vac/separator so only use shop vacs for dust collection, partly due to space considerations. One not insignificant problem with five-gallon buckets for separation is: they hold five gallons! And routers and thickness planers can fill those pretty quickly. So I add an additional separator (simple two-hole top for hose in and hose out) on top of a seven-gallon bucket before running it into a Dustopper bucket. If you do a lot of planing you can fill these buckets in no time, so I use several buckets until they are all full.
One last comment. The Dustopper is not very efficient for fine sanding. The sanding dust isn't heavy enough to drop out so a lot of it still ends up on a shop vac filter.
Thank you for watching and leaving a comment.. I appreciate it. 👍👍
Since I already have two original Dustopper, I guess I will just sup them up. Thanks for comparing them Jake. 😃👊
Thank you for watching Carl .. glad you enjoyed it 🦾🦾
My original cracked I can see the stiffeners should help prevent that in the future. I do like the newer flip tabs. The clearer cap is a bonus.
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Have the original and now going to buy the updated. General contractor so it sees use every single day. It does NOT hold up to the abuse of a jobsite. It’s completely ducktaped and siliconed together, and I’ve had to rebuild to dumb plastic clips on the sides multiple times as it’s very brittle unforgiving plastic. Still worth its weight in gold though. Looks the new and improved model tool care of all the main issues!
That’s good to know it holds up to someone who actually uses every day 🦾🦾
Thanks, but no need to reply. I just found out I have a roll of Frost King peel and stick foam rubber gasket material. Great show, and very informative.
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Niceee! I haven’t owned one yet, but I’ve been thinking about grabbing one. I was at depot the other day & it was on sale for $15!? I bought 2 lol 1 for each shop vac I got lol I’m hyped 👏 good vid brother!
Thank you.. glad I could help 👍
So I needed to build something like this when I had my scene shop remind me to tell you something it helped me save a little bit of money and even now the filters are so expensive that is totally worth it to build a external device that captures it does before going into your filter it's not obviously going to be foolproof however it will your filters will last longer the other thing I do is I blow them out frequently with my air nozzle
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Rather than make extra hoses and blast gates, I bought 2 vacuums, 2 original dust stoppers and buckets. I bought a remote power control that supports 3 power sources, so I just turn on #1 or #2 depending on which saw I'm using. Sometimes it seems like the duststopper isn't doing much until I check the bucket and it's full. Yeah, for how much they cost, they work pretty well. Surprisingly well.
They do work pretty well huh 👍
Fwiw, I bought one of those for the dust in my sand blaster - using aluminum oxide. That dust is *really* fine and the Dustopper helped but didn’t do a very good job. Most people using these are using them for sawdust so I’m posting this only to help those few that are wanting to separate something much finer than sawdust.
I found a Dust Sheriff here on RUclips that was really good - I’d say at least 10 times better - but I can’t find that particular video anymore. Whoever did it tested the Dustopper, a Dust Deputy, and his own Dust Sheriff. He found that all 3 were nearly the same with saw dust but for really fine stuff, like talcum powder (drywall dust?) or sand blaster dust, the Dust Deputy was better than the Dustopper. His Dust Sheriff was even better - and I can confirm that - but unfortunately it isn’t on RUclips anymore.
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I have the original and I love it. I used to use it on my table saw (Ridgid R4512) now I just use it for sanding. Not enough airflow for the table saw but excellent with the sander. Mine came with the harsh 90, and only one. When I build my cart (using plans from John Builds It) I needed a second 90 and bought another harsh 90 (before I knew better).
I would buy the Pro version just for the sweeping 90's but I like that it is a little quieter. You didn't address it in the video but I could tell (with headphones) that the Pro was quieter than the older one and your meter indicated that it was by 5-10 db. That's significant.
I use a HEPA filter and bag in my vacuum so I get nothing coming out of the exhaust of the vacuum. Using it mainly for sanding, that's important.
Yes sir.. it’s asking a lot to work on the table saw..
I like to use the decibel reader so people can watch and decide for themselves if it’s significant enough of a change in sound.. I can definitely hear a difference.
I’m glad you enjoyed the video.
I had trouble with the gasket and the latches when using with the Dewalt 735 planer. The gasket would leak and/or the latches would pop off, sending sawdust all over. I caulked the gasket in place and added two spring latches. Solved the problem but obviously improvements are needed.
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Problems from feeding a Dewalt 735 into one of these is not surprising. They have a very powerful blower onboard and they will overwhelm basically any shop vacuum they're fed into. Back pressure pushing debris into a smaller separator like this isn't ideal.
Good point Justin.
Nice comparison, not a big difference in the performance between the two. I will say the new features on the pro are nice and it does look cool!!!
Thank you Joey 🦾🦾
Very good video. Like the hacks on the original ds. I use my duststopper to sift wood pellets. Since I got the orginal, can't justify the 60.00 since what I got works fine. I will leverage your hacks. Thanks..😂😂
Thank you Peter.. Glad you enjoyed the video.. 👍👍
ok dang... not sure how this video got in my feed... buy I need this..
I’m glad it found you 👍👍
I have both versions and like the Pro much better, especially when running my planer. Put a bag in your vac because once the bucket gets over 3/4 full it’s gonna pull some of that debris into the vac.
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The Pro offers longevity in keeping a seal. The rubber gasket along with the clips seems worth it to me. I havethe original dustopper, and find it does not make a good seal after removing it from the bucket several times for emptying.
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I have the older version and the sharp elbow on top always bugged me so I spent @$8 and bought a nice gradual bend elbow so other than the clip ons not seeing any reason to upgrade. Good video
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I got the original a year or so ago and it has the smooth elbows.
Good stuff Jake
I upgraded mine
Cut bottom 4” off the 5 gallon bucket and cut a hole in the top of a 55 gallon drum with a removable lid sealed inside and out
Sweet.. Sounds pretty cool 😎🦾
I'd weigh the dust before/after and maybe vacuum the dust from the a grooved surface vs smooth surface.
I will tell you that the clear is -wonderful- for telling when you get the bucket full. I have the original and vented my planer to it... you knew the bucket was full when you saw chips fly out the top (about 6 boards). Clear FTW!
Don't use with micro-shop-vac. The Stingers, etc don't flow enough for the dust separation to work.
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in general the difference in large radius vs tight radius elbows is enormous..... also ,in general, the flow reduction that even a nicer elbow makes is equal to very very long straight sections... just useful to know.
In general.. Thanks for the comment
The older connector is a street 90 and the new one is a sweep 90.
I’ve never heard of a street 90
Good comparison. Maybe when my duststopper breaks I'll check into getting the pro.
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Thanks Jake. I just ordered mine. I was getting tired of keep buying bags for my shop vac. It will be cheaper just to empty the bucket.
Thank you Michael 👍👍
New one is probably more ergonomic. I don't think it justifies replacing the old unless its broke.
Thanks for sharing.
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I wish this "pro" version had been available a few years ago when I built up a stand-alone dust collector for my CNC machine. The molded (and now broken) locking tabs on the original are the one thing that bugs me about my setup. I wanted to improve the typical, awkward configuration of Shop-Vac, 5 gallon bucket and floppy intermediate hose. I mated the motor head of a Shop-Vac directly to a Dustopper which conveniently fits up to the Shop-Vac's metal canister. Fortunately, the motor head is held together with sheet metal screws so I could easily eliminate everything except the motor and the blower housing and then bolt the blower directly to the Dustopper without too much hassle.
Awesome.. Sounds like you have a cool setup 👍👍
Good video. Very practical results. I noticed on mine, that's far more primitive and years older, is the sides of the bucket suck in a bit. This depletes suction power. I thought maybe the gussets would stop this, but both tops moved about the same. It is good that they've changed a few things. I'm guessing somewhere some really heavy users were cracking that male pipe spout off the older one. The real change is the seal which you DIY'd.
I'd still always use a bag in the ShopVac, and I always want some kind of rollers on the bucket and a way to connect it to the ShopVac so I can move the two together around the shop or jobsite. This is good, but it's still a lot of juggling. Why are all vacuums house or shop able to handle a hose and a cord and everything else is just all over the place? I just paid $500 for a Dyson, same thing. (Dyson also has a laser on the main floor 'brush' which you then miss when you use anything else. I'll bet you or some other shop nerd will soon figure out a way to do this with an LED and duct tape or velcro. It's just really handy. )
Something else I do. I've had a photography darkroom . The one from years ago we'd vacuum inside and there was always dust on the negatives, total pain. In my last darkroom which had a door to my backyard, I would vacuum it, but I always had the shop vac outside, and I'd run a hose from the exhaust around the side of the building. Inside I would only clean surfaces with water from the tap (grounded). No dust problem at all. This would be a good tip on a job site where someone is painting near by. Unfortunately a lot of vacs now don't have blower ports.
Thank you .. Glad you enjoyed 👍👍
If your bucket is collapsing just place it inside another bucket and the problem is solved. It worked for me and hopefully will help others that experience that problem. A clean shop is a safer shop.
If using power tools, I always use ear protection, so the noise does not matter to me. I hope everyone would protect their earing. I have the old orange dust hopper; use it with an old Craftsman 45 litre shop vac. My hopper came with the sweeping 90 degree fittings; I got it at a HD here in Canada. In the end it sure saves me a lot of cleaning time.
Awesome .. Thank you
I'm team OG Dustopper. Those newer latches look like they'd be prone to breaking more easily.. and they've gotten so much more expensive. I ditched the hard right elbow on mine and just use a short 2.5" hose to make a gradual bend & feed into my vac - much quieter and much less obnoxious.
Either way, a must-have vacuum/dust-collection upgrade for any woodworker/DIY-er - makes your vacuum filters last basically forever because almost nothing gets to them, especially not any nasty moist stuff that the separator will easily catch.
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I think I'd go with the pro, but both did very well. I feel the Pro is made and packaged a bit better than the orange one. But if price was significantly different, I go with the cheaper of the two. If, however, they were priced similarly; off by say a few dollars, I'd definitely like to go with the Pro. Overall, for dbs and cfs, both did very well in keeping the shopvac clean inside.
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I need to try and model that or designed it for 3-D Printing.
Get ahold of Dustopper and see if he will send you the files lol
I'd buy the upgraded one just for the handles. I do not like fumbling around trying to attach the lid to the bucket.
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I would say it's not worth going out to buy another one just to get the pro if you already have the old one and its performing just fine. If you have another need YES of course buy the updated one.
I would say the same.. Thanks for watching
I used a dustopper for years for general vac use, It was so poor at fine dust that every hour or so the vac would quit picking up dust or chips. i had to clean the vac filter packed with fine dust, I picked up a harvor freight centrifugal thing and it sems to do a little better. Maybe you test it
I’ve done a video on the Oneida one also.
Thanks bro I’ve been looking for a cheap dust collector. Subscribed and liked
Very welcome.. Thank you
on a job site you would have to lug 2 different units around the whole time, for a shop i can see it being useful......for construction its easier to just blow off the filter when it gets dirty, usually have a compressor anyway and buy the filters in 2 paks.....not very expensive
Thanks for watching.. they are very useful in my shop 👍
Great job on the video. what seal did you use on the old duststopper lid. is it something you got from Home Depot. I noticed you had the white filter on your shop vac. have you tried using the blue or the green HEPA filter.
Thank you .. I just used the weatherstripping from Home Depot.. I haven’t used the other filters.. I just made sure there was a new filter in this one to make sure we started off the CFM tests with a clean filter.
do you have a video about the upgraded seal you put in the original? I'd like to try that
I don’t have one.. it was just some sticky back weatherstripping from Home Depot
You could try that with the QUIET De Walt or the Milwaukee shop vacs, that high db sound is just too hard on the ears in a small shop.
If only I had one of those.
I have the original. When the hose sucks down on a surface the bucket sides collapse and I lose some of the dirt into the vacuum, but waaaay better than filling up the vac bags all the time.
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Place your bucket inside another bucket and it will not collapse.
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Thanks Jake.
Thank you Paul 🦾🦾🦾
How does This work for dry wall dust (patching holes and sanding etc)….i’m doing prepping for painting a few rooms after removing the old wall paper?
Sanding the spackle can raise a lot of dust. I’ve typically been holding the shop vac in one hand and sanding with the other.
Thanks
I haven’t done it for drywall but I think they suggest you put some water in the bucket to help attract the dust
Hi very nice presentation. Do you know how I can find a clear bucket instead of Home Depot bucket ? I appreciate your input. Thanks
Oneida sells them. Of google clear 5 gallon bucket
To my eye the input port to the Dustopper Pro is clearly larger in diameter than the original, at least in the inside diameter dimension. You measured the output port diameter but not the input port. The vacuum hose seemed to insert further into the Pro than the original. The end of hose vacuum fitting dust rings inside the inlet seemed deeper/further in on the Pro version. Maybe it is a result of the different colors and translucency.
Also, is the metallic tape static dispensation strip on the Oneida the way it comes or is that a you-mod?
The port on top is definitely bigger on the pro but the input ports are the same. The Oneida comes with the metallic tape to put on.
Interesting. I bought one of the original duststoppers and it snapped the first time I tried to install it on a HD pail.
Did you get in contact with Dustopper and have it replaced?
@@JakeThompson Home Depot refunded my money since I returned it the following day. I've always found them to be really good on returns. I'll definitely look at the new model, though.
So whether you build one or buy one it will save you money
Very nice video. I think you shoud have shown the paper filter in the shopvac
@@jeroenbeltman515 glad you enjoyed the video… there wasn’t much to show on the filter.. it’s pretty clean.
@@JakeThompson OK, great to hear.
Hey nice video
I thought your supposed to partially fill bucket with water to catch the dust and dirt before it enters vacuum
Thank you Joseph .. This style of separator doesn’t require water on the bucket .
If you go to their site and go thru theres a page about sheetrock and fine dust and it does suggest some water for that and a filter bag in the vacuum as well.
How about a contraption I can hook up to my shop vac and suck the dust and wood pieces to go directly outside. I live in the country and have a place that would be GREAT tor my wood dust and small scrap pieces.
You could just have the shop vac outside with the bucket removed. 👍👍
I bet the shop vac filter companies hate this idea.
Probably so
is there adapters readily available to adapt the shop vac from 1-1/4 to the 2.5"?
There are all kinds of adapters available.. I’m sure with a quick search, you can find whatever you need.
Try them with drywall dust (sanding dust)
Other people have said it works
Just was wondering what model number shop vac you are using and if it’s still available and where you got it, thanks
Its model #WD10600 I bought it at Home Depot
I remove the orange plate, i pick up wet material from gutter Cleaning..A lot gets stuck on top of that plate..
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Joe Byron, I like that.
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Could you give the cfm airflow straight from the dust collector without the attachment?
ruclips.net/video/V2SNZvxwYdA/видео.htmlsi=KyYkOdNgksegwk-4 I did it on this one. 👍
Thanks for doing this comparison. I have the original model and it does a fine job, so I probably won't be upgrading unless something breaks. That said, I made a couple of enhancements which I'd like to recommend.
First, I installed a dust capture bag in my (Ridgid) shop vac. This should keep most of the fine dust away from the filter. Next, I replaced the original shop vac filter with a HEPA model. Finally, I installed the (stock) foam outlet filter, mostly to keep the noise level down. All told, the unit is relatively quiet, draws well, and isn't acting as a "dust pump".
Awesome.. Thank you.. glad you enjoyed the video 👍👍
Hey Jake - what type of seal did you use to upgrade your original Dustopper? Do you have a link?
I just used weatherstripping with sticky back from the hardware store.
Thank you…I have the original and now will keep it. What seal did you put it the original?
Very welcome.. I just used weatherstripping from Home Depot with sticky back.
How much difference putting a drywall bag in the vacuum itself make?
Never tried it
Do you have a video to compare the Pro here with the lowes dust collection?
Check out this one. ruclips.net/video/BC4s6m9nx5w/видео.htmlsi=hsp74BYA046b9BkK
I have a pellet grill and cleaning the Ash out of the grill is a pain, can you tell me how well this would work for ash?
I’ve never done it but I would guess it would work for that..
Can I leave water in the bottom of the bucket as I would like to connect it to my 2X72 belt grinder
Some people do put water in the bucket .
I'm thinking it would be a little better test if you ran more debris with each unit and checked the CFM before and after cleaning. You did not check how much debris made it too the filter.
Also a cool opportunity to run both Dust Stoppers in sequence and see how well they do in a with double the amount of dust/sawdust/floor sweepings.
Is the Dustkeeper as efficient on a larger container like a 10 gallon poly ?
Cheers
I just do the best I can.. I would absolutely watch a video like that.. you should make one. 👍👍
I noticed that Jake did not weigh the filter and the debris pile before and after each test.
Jake, could you provide info on the air flow meter and the dB app?
@@mikehochheiser1090 I’m sure there are plenty of videos already made on that db app that you could watch and critique.
Damnit Bobby
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What was the airflow comparison between them when both were using the long sweep elbow? Thanks.
They were just about the same.. I showed it in the video 👍👍
@ompson Some times, it looks like there are possibly different elbows on top and in some times the elbow isn't completely shown so that's why I asked. It's helpful to have reviews like this.
@@Word569 I show the old one with each and the new one I only showed with the sweeping elbow because it comes with it.. the sweeping one definitely helps with a few extra CFM
@jake Thompson inadvertently picked the NFC Championship game.
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Hi, I like your video but can you tell me how much of the fine dust makes it way to the vacuum. The fine dust which was coated onto the inside of the vacuum also made it to the filter. It would nice to see how effective the unit is by taken an air flow before and after sucking up the fine dust.
Could you repeat this test using fine dust from a sander?
Thanks
I did that test on the Oneida unit.. here’s a link ruclips.net/video/1YsksrFxj9g/видео.htmlsi=jCKnR2NGZTYFicom
would this work for ultra fine dust? some jack wagon put diatomaceous earth in my attic... about 2" deep over about 150 sq. feet. i need some way to remove it so i can replace the 103 yr old ceiling.
I use it for fine dust all the time.. even if a little gets through, you will be way better off using a dust separator 👍
Had I not have already bought the original I most likely would have bought the Pro version. I dont think the improvements make it worth upgrading. The original works great for me! Thanks for the video? Very informative!
Thank you . I appreciate it.. glad I could help out
I've seen some people put about 3-4 inches of water in the bottom of the bucket. they claim it catches more fine dust and help keep the bucket from falling over if you bump it.. What are your thoughts?
I’ve heard of people doing that for drywall dust.. I keep mine in one spot, I don’t have a problem with them tipping over
What gasket material did you use for the original Duststopper?
Thank you.. 🙏
How does it do for Water pick up and separation? I have Saltwater Aquariums, sometimes I have to suck the Saltwater out of the Sump to clean it. The Saltwater is very harmful to even a Wet Vacuum. Right now I just use a tall bucket, to limit the water reaching the Vacuum.
I’m sorry but I’ve never tried it.
@@JakeThompson Could you test it on Tap Water?
I have used it with a battery powered shop vac to vacuum water out of the bilge of my sailboat. It’s a lot easier and faster than pumping it out by hand.
Nice to see the Detroit Lions flag in the background!
My Moms favorite team 🦾
I have the first version. Where can I buy the seal gasket? Any advice. Thank you.
Thank you .. I bought the seal from Home Depot
@@JakeThompson thank you. I’m going to to find some!
Do you use a nesting bucket to keep the bucket from caving?
Nope.. I haven’t had any trouble with that.. lesser quality buckets will have trouble.
@@JakeThompson ah, just a necessary evil when using a dust deputy cyclone.
Jake, I live on a dirt road and the car tires bring in a fine dirt every time. Will the shop vac filter stay fairly clean if I get the Dustopper pro?
Hello Bobby… it will greatly prolong the life of the filter.. you will be surprised how much dust won’t make it to the filter.
@@JakeThompson Thanks Jake, Great video, please keep it up