Why these GIMMICK Pokemon TCG decks are awful...
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Gimmicks are good because they give new players obvious starting points. And as you said, they can end up becoming more viable through new cards. I’m much happier that they start of weaker than having it the other way around
Regidrago and Gardevoir-Drifloon were gimmicks before they were good. You never know.
its called rotation. believe me if shining guardevoir would still be a thing, then no one would even consider drifflon
@@salkedomhans Sure. And Regidrago stopped being a gimmick because two cards (Kyurem and Teal Mask) came out in two new sets. Lots of opportunity for change.
Exactly. It was the same story with the Single Strike Lugia deck, or the Wyrdeer/Lugia deck. Those 2 would have been absolute meme and troll decks a year and a half ago, but suddenly, they were just about the only way to play Lugia.
Most gimmicks are only one or two cards away from becoming viable, personally I think diplin is only a good Tm or damage boosting tool/item away from being competitive, area zero underdepths might boost it damage with the extra benched Pokemon for more damage per attack
Yall do realize that any card/deck that has come out from any set throughout the history of the tcg has been a gimmick at one point or another. Everything starts out as gimmick and then evolves into something legit once we the players get creative/innovative.
I love gimmick decks because they are fun. I don't need to go to regionals and play them but at locals and possibly a league challenge. These decks are fun and honestly that is what I focus on when I'm at locals
If you are having fun, then you already won
Yup they're great decks to start off with!
@@tablemon exactly
He gets it.....I just played at the local tournament was SOOOO much fun glad to be back with it 😀 United Wings
You are entitled to your opinion, but I find gimmick decks to be fun. They're the reason Pokémon tcg is so fun. Would you want to play the game if it was just 2 Charizards playing against each other and it was purely luck?
Right! I'll wager my Slowbro deck against that Charizard ex 😂
The dusks were intentionally added to keep wings at bay i feel like 😂 Awesome vid my man. Cool to learn how pokemon is trying to incorporate older strats to new ones
Within the pokemon TCG, any new individual card can bring an archetype/gimmick from the bottom to the pure top.
Coincidentally, as a tinkaton believer, stellar miracle might have people scrambling to get more on the bench. That just means that I can use morty's conviction and draw EIGHT CARDS and start doing massive damage right away.
Any little thing can change a ton; I mean, teal ogerpon practically revived raging bolt and especially regidrago.
*me still waiting for good results with tinkaton*
You know what I'm saying it rn the new Crobat from shrouded fable is a sleeper rouge deck I've built it and from hours of testing I've used Dusclops and duscnoir along with perilous jungle and Radiant hissuian sneasler and binding mochi to bump crobats damage up to at most 350 damage if you have all the modifiers. Jenean's secret art not only gives you the poison for mochi but activates Crobats Shadowy Envoy ability which allows you to frame up to 8 cards per Crobat in play meaning you have a draw engine to cover for Genene's lack of draw it's super fun if you don't mind auto losing to ancient decks due to ancient booster capsule and I encourage people to give a deeper look into crobat if possible
it’s still rogue at best. its a fun deck to play but i’ve been having more fun with single prize ursaluna and iron valiant. but that deck is still also rogue at best. i find it has better matchups at the moment however due to more fighting type weaknesses on the ladder
Festival deck has two major flaws which are not covered here that are actually what keep it from viability
First is flutter mane, especially in gardevoir with munkidori. Second is thwackey having 2 retreat so it can easily be trapped and as long as its in the active, the deck's engine doesnt work
Synergetic decks are great for anyone starting the game. And are definitely fun. But like Pablo said, a new card can drop at anytime that cracks a deck wide open
The loyal trio has one shotted my dragupult on multiple occasions
Speaking of Gimmicks, I really love Future Pokemon archetype but somehow because the developer decided their attacks all need 3 energy with no internal draw engine, it falls into this too! Hopefully one day they'll be viable together!
Love the expanded content
Festival leads/dipplin for life. Such a great deck with so many ways to play it.
On the whole, I agree.
But Fusion Strike, Rapid Strike, and even Single Strike were notable, extremely successful, and long-lived exceptions.
I feel like not including that clear caveat is a pretty glaring omission.
The first thing I talk about is how good Miraidon ex and Electric Generator is from SVI, Bax + Chien Pao, Future and Ancient. I just didn't cover the whole history of Pokemon combos...
Ill stick to my Conkeldurr - Poison Deck, and im gonna build a dusknoir/luxray/SlowBro Deck too soon
Not sure I would consider Greninja and froslass a gimmick I don't think TPCI fully intended them to see play together. Also the deck if built properly can see decent success with a skilled player.
Not having energy acceleration and having to rely on 2 attachments is what kills the deck for me. At least Urshifu used to have Melony. Greninja itself, looking at just the card, is individually stronger than Urshifu, but it just doesn't have enough support.
I love gimmick decks because they can allow new strategies
I’m just vibing with my Magician cat
Does anyone remember the supposed "broken combo" of Rayquaza VMAX, Flaafy, Stormy Mountains, and Scroll of the flying dragon that was hyped during the prerelease of Evolving Skies? Good times😂
This is a great video, I use an okidogi Deck in the TCG and I use pecharunt EX,okidogi, and normal monkidori and a bunch of trainer cards to help me a lot, one thing I do is poison my okidogi with his first ability and use monkidori to transfer his damage to benched Pokémon or the active one, I have about 2 monkidori and 60 damage per turn is super fun! Please let me know if this is good?
I play Loyal Three too, but you gotta keep in mind one crucial detail; Baby Munkidori is psychic type. Which means you can't accelerate with Dark Patch OR Janine, so you almost have to manually attach. But between Janine, Patch, Manual and MAYBE Energy Switch, that's 4 energy, so you can set up a total of one attacker per turn and one Munkidori, assuming you get all three cards and an energy in hand without a supporter. That's a tall ask, even if getting that ask means you can oneshot the big hitter of the meta, and two Munkis is an even BIGGER ask. So it gets results, but it's not consistent enough to be "good". And in general Deck's nice, just not a monster of a deck.
Granted, I don't agree with all the video's points; for one, Charizard isn't every deck, Drago's not over 300 HP without slowing down so it's more in your range, Moon EX also requires three energy and is a KO next turn anyway, Energy Switch can ALSO benefit the Loyal Three, Greninja in Roaring moon is slightly clunky even ignoring energy switch, and other decks aside from baby moon aren't too bad for the Loyal Three to take down; had a good Quad Thorns and a Bolt match earlier, for example.
But still, it's a rogue deck. He's right about it not topping worlds and it'll be like this for a bit since Stellar Crown's already revealed, Dragona might help and the set after that is near where rotation neuters the dog. But it doesn't need to be another Drago or Zard, it just needs to be fun at locals/casual ladder, which I find it is. And those kinds of decks are the lifeblood of the game to me, as someone who's followed Pokemon and YGO for most of their life; sure, Tier 1 to understand it and feel good about some simple wins, but rogue is where it gets cool.
Apologies for the long message but I wanted to get my thoughts out. The thing I like about the game right now is there's like a good chunk of varied decks that have a chance with half the other decks people like to play, and Loyal Three embodies that perfectly. So have a blast my fellow Poison user, whatever you come up with, weaknesses be damned!
@@diortememirp6204 thank you! I read your entire comment and I agree! Today I played against a ghastly deck and the dude kept using a hammer to remove energy from my okidogi, poison has been the only deck I’ve played so far and also the only one I’ve understood, but today I’ve also been screwed over by not drawing okidogi on the first turn, I played a stadium that adds 2 more poison tokens to a Pokémon that gets poisoned so they take 30 damage each turn, it doesn’t triple the damage on okidogi sadly but it can still do a load of damage to an opponent if they don’t have a healing reaction or monkidori, I agree he has to be set up and you’re practically wasting energy by putting dark energy into him, but if all my okidogis are set up already I just give him a dark energy for a lil boost, it sucks really badly that Janine and dark patch don’t help him. Oddly enough I have like…3 mochis in my deck but I never get them so I’m considering just replacing them in my deck for card drawing options or nest balls or something. I’ve got 2 questions, what cards should I replace mochi with? And would neutralization zone work with okidogi, and normal monkidori?
@@OJK- Replacing Mochi is a bold move but I get it; I'd say either replace something with an Arven to search it and a Dark Patch out (even one Arven is nice), or replace one, maybe two if you don't feel you need it with an extra copy of decent items; so something like more Nest/Ultras, another pair of Trekking shoes, Energy Switches to capitalize on energy from Janine, a Pal Pad, another super rod if you feel a need, or Lost Vacuum. Point is, you want to think about what you feel you'll need most, and if it's a tough decision prioritize high counts of core consistency cards or like one/two more of big parts of your strategy, then recovery if it's a bit low, then like a tech that's not very intrusive but swings a matchup well, like the lost Vacuum for an annoying tool/stadium or Moon EX for a burst KO that goes through some walls like Cornerstone. The important part is learning popular decks and adjusting accordingly (also accepting some matchups need a brick otherwise it's not in your favor).
As for Neutral, probably not, because baby Munki shouldn't be in the active unless you WANT to sack it, and Dogi it'd only work for the baby fighting one which is clunky with EX loyal three and can be gusted around, not to mention how easy it is to replace Neutral. Neutral's biggest weakness is that it takes one card to make it a nonissue for the rest of the game, and plenty of stadiums are played so unless you do that one strat with the Copperajah that blocks new stadiums, it's not gonna be much value in any deck. Especially with the opportunity cost of not using another Ace Spec like prime catcher, unfair stamp or something similar. It can work in a select few, but it's too easy to disable for just a tech.
Hope that helps! also apologies if anyone else got tired of this long-ass explanation lmao
Dipplin didn’t flop for me haha I have a good list and am doing well
I'm still going to play loyal 3
The loyal 3 deck is no good when you take a cookie cutter approach to it. Plus the deck is oversaturated with too many pokemon. You dont need monkidori ex, most decks run the wrong ace spec and more often than not they use too many "support pokemon".
Idk, I've been able to beat the top meta decks easily with it. Just my personal experience.
Like how you didn't mention the fact that festival lead run damge mods so his statement about how it it doesn't do enough damge is wrong as i think 360 damge is enough
360 is enough. You're never doing that consistently against top decks.
Nah with the Festival Leads. Play Rabsca and it’s awesome. 😂
Anyone got a good Palafin EX deck?
I got you covered
Pokémon: 9
4 Finizen TWM 59
2 Morpeko PAR 121
1 Lumineon V BRS 40
3 Palafin ex TWM 61
1 Fezandipiti ex SFA 38
1 Cleffa OBF 80
2 Pecharunt ex SFA 95
1 Manaphy BRS 41
3 Palafin TWM 60
Trainer: 17
2 Counter Catcher PAR 160
2 Town Store OBF 196
1 Forest Seal Stone SIT 156
4 Irida ASR 147
1 Maximum Belt TEF 154
2 Switch EVO 88
3 Nest Ball SVI 181
1 Arven OBF 186
2 Boss's Orders PAL 172
2 Kieran TWM 154
3 Iono PAL 185
1 Super Rod PAL 188
1 Defiance Band SVI 169
2 Lost Vacuum LOR 162
4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144
4 Ultra Ball SVI 196
2 Earthen Vessel PAR 163
Energy: 1
5 Basic {W} Energy Energy 29
Total Cards: 60
@@emilands3635 can you explain reason for max belt over prime catcher?
I think you’re underestimating how good munkidori ex is
6:34 guess we're all just gonna forget that cobalion and/or baby monkidori exist to knock out the zard. Or kieran too (not that you should)
Still, too much effort for potentially KOing one Charizard, for a deck composed of frail 2 pricers, those are the type of decks Charizard loves to play against.
How are you getting 30 damage on your board to transfer to Zard? Or you're gonna have ANOTHER bench sitter? Just because you can doesn't mean it's competitively viable.
@tablemon if you go first, you can have a dark type get put in active w/ pecharunt's ability, then by your second turn you have 30 damage built up on that pokemon to send back later. Ideally you have the damage on a munkidori ex so that if it gets knocked out you'll only lose one prize.
@@tablemonscoop up cyclone and penny fix that
Meh..🤷. Play whatever