@Tấn Nguyễn And in addition to that what Hoàng Nguyên has written: The great schism happened 1054 thus Byzantium was part of the catholic church for half of the middle ages.
Malay has infinite fish traps that feed infinite two handed swordsmen. Then their docks with extra line of sight shoot arrows to protect the fishes. Its synergistic ecosystem is worth mentioning.
They do a good enough job gathering resources, and you should be using their talents to build palisades and castle repairs by that stage of the game anyways.
there was a moment of amazement when I first played malay... those little guys from the castle came so quickly, I had 300 of them in minutes, and they ran so fast and attacked so wonderfully, the carnage, the horror, the war...
@@Tovarasul_Lenin to you can you can you can get the feeling that I have loved you ever since we first met that day so it will trade in the value of the house and the oil human body to be living with the power to do with my keyboard and grammatically correct address
Huh, missed a point on the Byzantines, there. Lower cost military means you need less economy to sustain production of it, allowing for a larger proportion of the population limit to be used on military units. Dunno if it'd make a difference on their placement in the list, but is worth noting.
Larger pop limit for military OR more of the army made up of non-trash paid for by selling resources (depending on the situation) OR more production buildings to speed up replacements. As usual with the Byzantines, it's all about knowing how best to counterplay using their flexibility. On that note halbs+hand cannons+hussars+a small group of paladins/cataphracts can make for a powerful late game army IF you can keep the cannons alive and use you heavy cav for very quick tactical strikes before running them back to the Byzantine monks with their healing bonus (which can help keep your cannons alive too). That's situational, of course, and takes some skill, but it can be very powerful.
@@RickyMuzakki let's look at another example of how a numeric advantage can overwhelm a stat advantage. ruclips.net/video/ocKZzY89BLQ/видео.html I don't need to explain how using the cheaper trash to field more non-trash units instead is useful, right?
That would have have to be the Saracens for Knights, I think? As I can't really see anyone who gets Cavalier getting a trash upgrade for it. Since going 'More Cavaliers' is often a better choice than going to Paladins in the first place. Saracens do get full Blacksmith Upgrades for Cavalry. They'd be kinda terrifying with Trash Knights. Alternatively, you could make that Trash Upgrade for one of the Messoamerican civs. 'Trash Xolotl Warrior from Barracks, uses Infantry Blacksmith (But not unique upgrades, Mayans) Upgrades'.
Ikiry0 - the break-even is 32 Cavs = Pal Upgrade. That is, if you're going to make 33 or more Cavs after the upgrade / when Pal becomes available, get Pal first/ASAP/instead.
May I suggest a video about Regicide? You could talk about which maps give you a tower instead of a castle, how raiding gets more effective, which units the king can outspeed, what are the best methods to protect it, or the funniest (Khmer houses ftw). As most of your videos already taught me there is much I don't know about the game yet even if I've played it for over a decade now and Regicide is definitely something I would love to uncover more.
As a kid back in age of conquerors, I discovered the regicide game mode and wouldn't play a standard game for like a decade lol. Would highly recommend it
@@HeyImLucious Seriously I've made countless lan parties with my friends these last 12 years, all about regicide! Bonds were strengthned and friendhips were broken but it was so much fun and we won't stop now. Such a shame Definitive Ed. won't give you Elo for Regicide matches.
I wish they added regicide to the matchmaker. It's my favorite game mode. Let's you get your unique unit out faster, allows you to get the game started faster with more villagers, lets you delay houses for a little longer too. And it also helps the game go faster because you're only trying to kill a king, not every villager. If the opponent is hiding you can use Treason to find them
I personally like goths, being able to outproduce your enemy and just keep pushing your barracks line forward. Also I think civs that really on their scout line in a trash war is at a disadvantage given the amount of Halberdiers on the field
I would say it's iffy for the same reason as byzantines. When you're at the pop cap, being able to spam halberdiers isn't going to achieve much. Plus they're missing the last armour techs on hussars and halbs. But still, I would think they'd be higher on the list than Byzantines - missing bloodlines & blast furnace is bad.
tbh goths are pretty powerful once at endgame, so spaming trash is not often seen since they either die before imp, or the flood destroys the enemy before the gold runs out since their units are so cheap.
The biggest thing about goths is that they can just plop down a single forward barracks after gaining some ground and that one barracks alone will be a force multiplier when pushing forward.
Goths dont do Trashfights... Once they reach critical mass they no longer play age. They play tower defense as the aggressor 😂 Probably thier weakness here is that they no longer micro, they just set the gathering point's of thier Barack's and spam huskarls and helbs in a good mix and just march them down...
Did I miss something? Or why is the intro gone? To my knowledge, the intro is written by Spirit himself...right? so no reason such as BScopyright or anything
Aztec with Vietnamese ally is pretty amazing as well. Imp Skirms with +1 Atk and 9 Range. Pikes with +4 Atk. Production speed bonus. Your skirms can take down any other skirms or Halbs and the Pikes are sufficiently effective to ward off any cavalry.
Which ones are your favorite may I ask? Because 4 out of 5 in SotL's list (Byzantines, Spanish, Magyars and Persians) are my favorite as well. (I love using Paladins, that's why they're my thing) :D
@@JewelManDLN069 RUclips is weird with notification pop-up so better late than never reply but Spanish, Lithuanians, Byzantines and Magyars are all my faves, persians are great but tbh I don't like their unique unit compared to others
1:49 that woman's contribution to history is dying while continuing to chop wood during a massive invasion. She walks towards the attackers too, bravest villager I've seen for some time.
I don't even play multiplayer, so in reality a lot of this information isn't much use to me personally. But I love your content. It's always hugely entertaining and interesting!
Interesting. I would have swapped numbers 1 and 2. The fact that crossbow is countered by elite skirm is my reasoning here: in a trash war elite skirms are something you are certain to run into, meaning that crossbows are going to be hard countered. Two handed swordsmen on the other hand are a counter-trash unit without that obvious weakness. Add unlimited food allowing a flood of them to go on more or less indefinitely (along with light cav line, who make up for lack of upgrades with sheer expendability) and you're onto a winner.
I would bump Malay up to number one, simply because the 2h swordsman is not countered directly by any of the generic trash units, while Persian trashbows are very hard countered by skirms, especially considering the lack of arbalest and bracer.
I suppose Aztecs are an honorable mention too, atlatl skirms would do pretty well and despite not having halbs, garland wars helps out in pikes vs halbs fights and surely pikes wouldn't fare worse vs hussars. They're basically missing 1/3 dimensions that's the trash cav. But we need those mainly vs skirms which Aztec atlatl skirms might take care of in a slow fashion. Byzantine monk healing speed bonus should also be considered. Check out Hera (Byz) vs BacT (Mayans with 5 relics). Bact's mistakes aside, Hera did play the trash war well.
@@wolfieinu same i dont play competetively but have had success with aztecs like that as well, you mass halbys and skirmys and they are quality trash plus the farming bonus and carrying bonus helps with sustaining them economically and if you have slight gold they have good onagers and rams but yeah they suck against cavalry idk how to counter cav charges with em yet
Thanks for this video @SpiritOfTheLaw!! Much awaited top 5. Nice perspective, definitely got some unique ideas for civs I hadnt thought about as good in trash. Really nice. Thanks!
yes, but persians best trash unit still cost woods. In this case woods still more expensive comodities than the foods. Because we can get 550 foods from farm and only cost 60 woods. in this points Berber still better because the Hussar only cost 64 food, and it is fully upgraded hussar. If your money only remain 1000 woods, you will have more squads if you are Berber rather than if youre Persians, because you can get the capital gain from converting woods to foods by farm. Also in my opinion malay two handed swordsman still weaker than berber's hussar, and all sea-benefits I didnt put it in mind since if we fight in land area we gonna lost that benefit.
I would have considered the Aztecs as an honorable mention over berbers with their pikes kinda standing in as a mainline infantry much like a Malay Twohander, but with extra skirmisher attack and range (even if missing the last archer armor) allowing you to flood the field with pikes and skirmishers as an offensive push. The downside is that you need to be pushing offensively, so you're being pressured to incorporate the odd Siege Onager and Trebuchet into the army to knock down towns. If you're being defensive, this strategy has a tendency to fail, but at this point if you're not flooding the field, you would still lose with gold units/gold income.
Their skirms don't have thumb ring, so they'll also miss about 10% of their shots in general (but rates varies on range, on short range even arambai have decent accuracy), so the extra ranges goes a bit to waste
Me, in literally every game, pumping out as many Skirms, Spears and Scouts as possible: I'M THE TRASH MAN! * Eats trash, throws garbage can around, trains more skirms etc *
As much as I'd like to admit I play 2 of those civs a lot just because of the trash unit options. I didn't know that Persians has gold-free archer tech, that's so awesome. Thanks for doing what you do SotL.
aztecs should have been an honorable mention, or even in the top 5, even though they have no cav, but halberds and skirmisher are very strong with aztecs....
The new intro is nice cause it's not a little too long like the old was but you should really incorporate the old intro music somewhere. It was iconic not only to the channel, but to the game because nearly every active Age of Empires 2 player has seen your videos.
"And in the super late game when all players have reached about 200 units..." I dont think i have ever had a game where i reached more than 100 units, what am i doing wrong
I'd consider Aztecs too, since their 2 unic techs help Skirmishers (+1attack +1 range) and Pikeman (+4 attack, it doubles the base 4 attack, making it 33% above base Helbs, that they lack)... they lack Ring archer armor, but their skirms excel against archers, since the main problem with skirms is the low attack (2 for regular skirms, 3 for aztecs; 3vs4 for elite).
Hussars : *was the best cavalery of there time for more then 100 yers, and many times deafeted enemy who has insane number adventage* Also hussars: *have been called trash units by age of empires 2 players* *Angry husars noises*
The polish re-edition of Hussars, albeit the most famous, came in towards the very end of years bracket Aoe2 uses. Before they were more like more international mercenary light cavalry. Names are shared, but not much besides that.
He listed it in a previous video; it's "Midnight Hotel, Indie Pop Version" by Epidemic Sound. But yeah, he should list his songs in every description cause his picks are good
Lol bet this is jks. Turks have only one of the three basic unit, making them one of the worse trash unit civilisation, which is what this top list is for.
@@4xelchess905 Well, upgrades are one point, but that just sets them equal to every other normal civ. In fights they will still lose to every civ mentioned.
One thing with the byz is you can have a smaller eco and therefore more units meaning you take more unit efficient trades than a 1v1 test would suggest (just like you mentioned in your lanchester's law video)
Just one thing with the spanish villagers. Sappers. Spanish villagers with sappers can be devastating against buildings. I used to play with the Spanish and use only villagers as siege and it worked. They were also a good meatshield. The only downside I encounter was the villager pathfindig and moving large groups of villagers.
I'm surprised Aztecs didn't even get mentioned. Yes they have no calv, but both their unique techs make their skirmishers and halbs noticeably more deadly
Whats great about Persians is that you can build expensive units like siege cavalry and war elephants while spamming out archers, the mitigated cost of them makes heavy investment comps much more manageable
Hey Spirit..... 2:31, that miner chick at the bottom of the screen who is pacing back and forth uselessly..... Is it my imagination or is it that this type of thing happens 100x more often in DE than any other version of the game?
Here's an idea - like your old video where you explained the real historical buildings behind the Wonders of each civilization, why not make a video explaining in a similar manner the civs' unique units? I personally think it would be interesting to watch. :)
glad to see that the picture for the bodkin arrow is now a bodkin arrow it used to be the exact opposite of what bodkin arrows are also glad to see they gave the magyar huzsar wings since that is what huszzszsars are all about visually
The new DE intro edit is gonna have a lot of hype to live up to. The classic intro has the balance of silly and epic moments and that watchability helped build the SoTL Empire!
I have missed Aztecs and Burmese: First one has 12 attack pikemen, as well as 9 range 8 attack skirmishers (with vietnamese ally 9 attack), though as meso american they lack of cavalry. For Burmese, they have 13 attack halbs and raiding hussars (+6 attack vs buildings), though their skirmishers are made of paper.
Aztecs! Gotta be honorable mention at least.their pikemen and skirms both improved by unique tech. Add extra gold from relics, the only infinite gold source in 1v1 allowing them to make a bit more siege (which they have excellent options of) they definitely outperform byz
Hey SotL! About the Spanish, if you are going to mention the no gold BS upgrades, you should also mention the extra gold from the trade on team games. The population efficiency is even higher!
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Rip old Intro music
I think this intro was a callback to an older intro
XD
We must move on ;D
but I always want to see that villager smash cobra car
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Persian Player: Our trash will block out the sun.
Other Player: Than we shall fight in garbage.
@Hoàng Nguyên They dont cost anymore gold because they recycle them.
@Tấn Nguyễn
And in addition to that what Hoàng Nguyên has written: The great schism happened 1054 thus Byzantium was part of the catholic church for half of the middle ages.
lmao that's great
i loled af hahaha
u shold say: ""other player: this is sparta !"
Enemy team contains Magyars, Malay and Persians:
"Those bastards are up to something".
yes, they are going to trade.
Magyars and Persian might actually be a solid team combo
@Aliyan S spanish trade wins the race.
But in team games gold isn't so scarce so... But yeah, they can focus their gold into making siege and do the rest with strong trash unit.
The Magyars and Persians have Paladins. One has good HCA, other has EWE. Gold is used really properly with trade.
Malay has infinite fish traps that feed infinite two handed swordsmen. Then their docks with extra line of sight shoot arrows to protect the fishes. Its synergistic ecosystem is worth mentioning.
"synergistic ecosystem" lmao
we must defend the fish
@@blobpoop457 more like incidental cybercode
just like how present-day Indonesians, who are technically malays, are ridiculously protective towards their fishing zones. Such accuracy.
From Homo sapiens to Homo Malaycus
Imagine how powerful Spanish villagers would be if you could put them in attack stances so you don't have to micro them to attack.
They do a good enough job gathering resources, and you should be using their talents to build palisades and castle repairs by that stage of the game anyways.
there was a moment of amazement when I first played malay... those little guys from the castle came so quickly, I had 300 of them in minutes, and they ran so fast and attacked so wonderfully, the carnage, the horror, the war...
Sometimes… you miss it?
@@FlymanMS smells like... victory
@@johnwallace2319 Napalm 😊
4:51
Is AI *really* trying to control the deer in the heat of battle? REALLY?!
They really REALLY did buff that aspect
Such efficiency play 😂😂😂
@@CelticGods so, do we fight AI cavalry near deers now?
How the fuck did you focused on that?😂
More like 0:19 buddy tries planting a farm and gets murdered in cold blood after 50 skirmisher volleys
Malay: Two handed swords are a must.
Persians: Never heard of 'em.
More like the Persians have their _hussars_ wield those two-handed swords instead methinks :P
Such a blast of the past intro
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@@Tovarasul_Lenin to you can you can you can get the feeling that I have loved you ever since we first met that day so it will trade in the value of the house and the oil human body to be living with the power to do with my keyboard and grammatically correct address
@@nocturne9532 do you even sip lean?
"Mercenaries" was actually renamed to "Corvinian Army" as you can see at 4:19
Observation 100
Perhaps to not confuse people with “Cuman Mercenaries”
Sounds really badass
i just love ravens and animalistic-themed warriors so much
Huh, missed a point on the Byzantines, there.
Lower cost military means you need less economy to sustain production of it, allowing for a larger proportion of the population limit to be used on military units.
Dunno if it'd make a difference on their placement in the list, but is worth noting.
Larger pop limit for military OR more of the army made up of non-trash paid for by selling resources (depending on the situation) OR more production buildings to speed up replacements.
As usual with the Byzantines, it's all about knowing how best to counterplay using their flexibility.
On that note halbs+hand cannons+hussars+a small group of paladins/cataphracts can make for a powerful late game army IF you can keep the cannons alive and use you heavy cav for very quick tactical strikes before running them back to the Byzantine monks with their healing bonus (which can help keep your cannons alive too).
That's situational, of course, and takes some skill, but it can be very powerful.
good point. I agree with you.
The lack +2 attack from armorsmith upgrade is a killer doesn't matter the discount if your thrash unit are garbage
@@RickyMuzakki let's look at another example of how a numeric advantage can overwhelm a stat advantage. ruclips.net/video/ocKZzY89BLQ/видео.html
I don't need to explain how using the cheaper trash to field more non-trash units instead is useful, right?
I like your pfp
Hey Spirit, if you're going to stick with the new, shorter intro then why not at least put your old intro music at the outro music now?
I think he's making a new DE intro with the old music
@@felipea1399 I think he already did that.
Oh look, some places to which I can finally send my CV
Malay: *Gets Trash Sword Infantry*
Persians: *Gets Trash Crossbows*
Me: "So the next one is trash Knight/Camel"
Trash camel is interesting.
That would have have to be the Saracens for Knights, I think? As I can't really see anyone who gets Cavalier getting a trash upgrade for it. Since going 'More Cavaliers' is often a better choice than going to Paladins in the first place.
Saracens do get full Blacksmith Upgrades for Cavalry. They'd be kinda terrifying with Trash Knights. Alternatively, you could make that Trash Upgrade for one of the Messoamerican civs. 'Trash Xolotl Warrior from Barracks, uses Infantry Blacksmith (But not unique upgrades, Mayans) Upgrades'.
You mean trash paladins
Turk: release trash knight
Ikiry0 - the break-even is 32 Cavs = Pal Upgrade. That is, if you're going to make 33 or more Cavs after the upgrade / when Pal becomes available, get Pal first/ASAP/instead.
Amazed how you keep making quality content after so many years, keep it up love your vids
He is like a scholar of AoE!
May I suggest a video about Regicide?
You could talk about which maps give you a tower instead of a castle, how raiding gets more effective, which units the king can outspeed, what are the best methods to protect it, or the funniest (Khmer houses ftw). As most of your videos already taught me there is much I don't know about the game yet even if I've played it for over a decade now and Regicide is definitely something I would love to uncover more.
regicide is a really fun game mode imo
As a kid back in age of conquerors, I discovered the regicide game mode and wouldn't play a standard game for like a decade lol. Would highly recommend it
@vzdorr b Onagers cut through trees so well lol
@@HeyImLucious Seriously I've made countless lan parties with my friends these last 12 years, all about regicide! Bonds were strengthned and friendhips were broken but it was so much fun and we won't stop now. Such a shame Definitive Ed. won't give you Elo for Regicide matches.
I wish they added regicide to the matchmaker. It's my favorite game mode. Let's you get your unique unit out faster, allows you to get the game started faster with more villagers, lets you delay houses for a little longer too. And it also helps the game go faster because you're only trying to kill a king, not every villager. If the opponent is hiding you can use Treason to find them
I too love new Persian unique tech that makes crossbow into trash. It almost makes usual trash unit into stormtroopers lol
Except they can actually hit something, unlike stormtroopers xD
@@thetntsheep4075 of course lol
I personally like goths, being able to outproduce your enemy and just keep pushing your barracks line forward. Also I think civs that really on their scout line in a trash war is at a disadvantage given the amount of Halberdiers on the field
I love how there’s a sheep just passing through at 9:34 minding its own business
5:16
Actually it is 80 food. It becomes 65 after supplies, but not because of Forced Levy.
yeah he should explain that
I'd put goths significantly above average with their build speed allowing them to halb flood like no other. Just behind malay imho.
I would say it's iffy for the same reason as byzantines. When you're at the pop cap, being able to spam halberdiers isn't going to achieve much. Plus they're missing the last armour techs on hussars and halbs. But still, I would think they'd be higher on the list than Byzantines - missing bloodlines & blast furnace is bad.
tbh goths are pretty powerful once at endgame, so spaming trash is not often seen since they either die before imp, or the flood destroys the enemy before the gold runs out since their units are so cheap.
The biggest thing about goths is that they can just plop down a single forward barracks after gaining some ground and that one barracks alone will be a force multiplier when pushing forward.
Goths dont do Trashfights... Once they reach critical mass they no longer play age. They play tower defense as the aggressor 😂
Probably thier weakness here is that they no longer micro, they just set the gathering point's of thier Barack's and spam huskarls and helbs in a good mix and just march them down...
In the age of Supplies, Goths are meh.
Did I miss something? Or why is the intro gone?
To my knowledge, the intro is written by Spirit himself...right? so no reason such as BScopyright or anything
Aztec with Vietnamese ally is pretty amazing as well. Imp Skirms with +1 Atk and 9 Range. Pikes with +4 Atk. Production speed bonus. Your skirms can take down any other skirms or Halbs and the Pikes are sufficiently effective to ward off any cavalry.
Top 5 trash unit Civs... Oh look 4 of my favorite civ's got into this list.
Guess I'm a trashy person :D
Which ones are your favorite may I ask? Because 4 out of 5 in SotL's list (Byzantines, Spanish, Magyars and Persians) are my favorite as well. (I love using Paladins, that's why they're my thing) :D
frugal person(?
Magyars are my favorite. Guess I’m garbage too
@@JewelManDLN069 RUclips is weird with notification pop-up so better late than never reply but Spanish, Lithuanians, Byzantines and Magyars are all my faves, persians are great but tbh I don't like their unique unit compared to others
I heard that Quantity can be also a quality of it's own so you might be up to something.
1:49 that woman's contribution to history is dying while continuing to chop wood during a massive invasion. She walks towards the attackers too, bravest villager I've seen for some time.
She sidestepped the first volley too, lol.
*Plays 4 Free For All*
The other players are all Magyars, Malay, and Persians
Me playing as Huns: "Oh...Oh No...OH NOOOOOO"
Generic crossbow man: "so, how much did they pay you for this job?"
Persian crossbow man: "they gave me some wood for the winter"
In Middle East, lol
I don't even play multiplayer, so in reality a lot of this information isn't much use to me personally. But I love your content. It's always hugely entertaining and interesting!
Interesting. I would have swapped numbers 1 and 2. The fact that crossbow is countered by elite skirm is my reasoning here: in a trash war elite skirms are something you are certain to run into, meaning that crossbows are going to be hard countered.
Two handed swordsmen on the other hand are a counter-trash unit without that obvious weakness. Add unlimited food allowing a flood of them to go on more or less indefinitely (along with light cav line, who make up for lack of upgrades with sheer expendability) and you're onto a winner.
I love your Top 5 videos' music theme for the first place.
Guitar intro??? Where is it😭
I would bump Malay up to number one, simply because the 2h swordsman is not countered directly by any of the generic trash units, while Persian trashbows are very hard countered by skirms, especially considering the lack of arbalest and bracer.
Spirit of the Law, please, the intro music. We require it.
-everyone
I like that the intro is shorter. But I'll miss the old one, it was iconic
Aztec's are a solid choice too. Yeah they dont have horses but both unique techs affect trash units. Definitely worth trying
Plus if they get any relics their bonus would help them generate more gold, which would be very nice when you can't mine any more
@@slushyjones4939 Exactly! I didn't even mentioned the faster unit creation time!
@@slushyjones4939 If you manage to get some siege weapons or champions (which has +4 attack if you are aztec) it's really game over for them
@@furkansaryerli Jaguars can cut through enemy halberds like nothing, and atatl skirmishers will provide support
*That intro has changed XD*
I suppose Aztecs are an honorable mention too, atlatl skirms would do pretty well and despite not having halbs, garland wars helps out in pikes vs halbs fights and surely pikes wouldn't fare worse vs hussars. They're basically missing 1/3 dimensions that's the trash cav. But we need those mainly vs skirms which Aztec atlatl skirms might take care of in a slow fashion. Byzantine monk healing speed bonus should also be considered. Check out Hera (Byz) vs BacT (Mayans with 5 relics). Bact's mistakes aside, Hera did play the trash war well.
This. I've had some success with Aztecs, though I only play LAN / among friends, not competitively.
Their skirms lack thumb ring and ring archer armor which is whack
@@wolfieinu same i dont play competetively but have had success with aztecs like that as well, you mass halbys and skirmys and they are quality trash plus the farming bonus and carrying bonus helps with sustaining them economically and if you have slight gold they have good onagers and rams but yeah they suck against cavalry idk how to counter cav charges with em yet
Thanks for this video @SpiritOfTheLaw!! Much awaited top 5. Nice perspective, definitely got some unique ideas for civs I hadnt thought about as good in trash. Really nice. Thanks!
yes, but persians best trash unit still cost woods. In this case woods still more expensive comodities than the foods. Because we can get 550 foods from farm and only cost 60 woods. in this points Berber still better because the Hussar only cost 64 food, and it is fully upgraded hussar. If your money only remain 1000 woods, you will have more squads if you are Berber rather than if youre Persians, because you can get the capital gain from converting woods to foods by farm. Also in my opinion malay two handed swordsman still weaker than berber's hussar, and all sea-benefits I didnt put it in mind since if we fight in land area we gonna lost that benefit.
That Magyar Huszar+enhanced Cav Archer combo is so good! Seemlessly change from defense to offense on the fly
Wasn't expecting that intro.
I would have considered the Aztecs as an honorable mention over berbers with their pikes kinda standing in as a mainline infantry much like a Malay Twohander, but with extra skirmisher attack and range (even if missing the last archer armor) allowing you to flood the field with pikes and skirmishers as an offensive push. The downside is that you need to be pushing offensively, so you're being pressured to incorporate the odd Siege Onager and Trebuchet into the army to knock down towns. If you're being defensive, this strategy has a tendency to fail, but at this point if you're not flooding the field, you would still lose with gold units/gold income.
Their skirms don't have thumb ring, so they'll also miss about 10% of their shots in general (but rates varies on range, on short range even arambai have decent accuracy), so the extra ranges goes a bit to waste
No goths? Even at the honorable Mentions wft? Gothic fleet is still feared.
They should be here. Supercheap halbs, plus almost fu skirms, plus almost fu hussars. Goth is really good in trash fights.
Population limit
I didn't know trash unit meant a gold-less unit; I honestly thought it meant throwaway units that suck.
Me, in literally every game, pumping out as many Skirms, Spears and Scouts as possible: I'M THE TRASH MAN!
* Eats trash, throws garbage can around, trains more skirms etc *
Andrew John Hodge me in a nutshell
As much as I'd like to admit I play 2 of those civs a lot just because of the trash unit options. I didn't know that Persians has gold-free archer tech, that's so awesome. Thanks for doing what you do SotL.
Malay will still be my fav civ.
Just one thing :
UNLIMITED FOOD
If the map has water for that
You should check this game, if you have not seen it. Malay in lategame as we all wants to see them
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you always deliver exactly what i need somehow
aztecs should have been an honorable mention, or even in the top 5, even though they have no cav, but halberds and skirmisher are very strong with aztecs....
The new intro is nice cause it's not a little too long like the old was but you should really incorporate the old intro music somewhere. It was iconic not only to the channel, but to the game because nearly every active Age of Empires 2 player has seen your videos.
"And in the super late game when all players have reached about 200 units..."
I dont think i have ever had a game where i reached more than 100 units, what am i doing wrong
try multiplayer, its fun
I'd consider Aztecs too, since their 2 unic techs help Skirmishers (+1attack +1 range) and Pikeman (+4 attack, it doubles the base 4 attack, making it 33% above base Helbs, that they lack)... they lack Ring archer armor, but their skirms excel against archers, since the main problem with skirms is the low attack (2 for regular skirms, 3 for aztecs; 3vs4 for elite).
Dear SotL, I miss the intro song, please bring it back
Thanks
Is that Airalin you're having for profile picture? X3
Please never change the #1 music. It gives me a happy ending every time.
You really missed Aztecs with stronger pikes and stronger Skirms
Fun fact the Malay are the only civ that can infinitely spam units, so if you use every resource on the map you have infinite res
do a video on best beginner civ
A 10 minute video... my life is complete
Damn, im so proud lithuanians were added to the game. i always loved this game, now, even more
Womder of the introduction of the Winged Hussar would have any impact on this list?
Its so comforting to know that its not just me that still loves this game.
great video, great music! really love your videos man!
Hussars : *was the best cavalery of there time for more then 100 yers, and many times deafeted enemy who has insane number adventage*
Also hussars: *have been called trash units by age of empires 2 players*
*Angry husars noises*
@Hoàng Nguyên Ah yes, you mean the Wings of Liberty campaign? ʕ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°ʔ
I just found out the elite Magyar Hussars are the predecessor to the famed Winged Hussars of Poland.
@Hoàng Nguyên It's called the Slavs.
The polish re-edition of Hussars, albeit the most famous, came in towards the very end of years bracket Aoe2 uses. Before they were more like more international mercenary light cavalry. Names are shared, but not much besides that.
Polish hussars were heavy cav. Hussars were light cav.
Like in polish husaria and huzarzy. Two different types of units.
I agree with your top pick. Them archers outta nowhere are perky.
What's that song that you always tune in when you declare a #1 civ? It's nice...
He listed it in a previous video; it's "Midnight Hotel, Indie Pop Version" by Epidemic Sound. But yeah, he should list his songs in every description cause his picks are good
@@bluequiltedness thanks a lot. I was asking because I thought that this may be something he composed himself as he did with the intro.
I was honestly expecting Turks to take number one spot. What could go wrong? 🙄🤨🧐
There trash is probably the cheapest to upgrade, if that does not deserve at least an honorable mention, I don't know what does.
Lol bet this is jks. Turks have only one of the three basic unit, making them one of the worse trash unit civilisation, which is what this top list is for.
turks with genitours though
@@Bloodark124 Hussar, Spearman, Skirmisher, I don't know how you count, but I count 3
@@4xelchess905 Well, upgrades are one point, but that just sets them equal to every other normal civ. In fights they will still lose to every civ mentioned.
8:30 Idk man... I mean, +1/+1 On halbadiers is quite some, but isn't it that mobility is usually quite an issue when it comes to halbs/skirms?
the new intro feels good and bad at the same time...
Except that it isn't "new"
I'll load up a second video, play the intro, then come back. I need that onager shot.
Look! Is the old Intro!!!
One thing with the byz is you can have a smaller eco and therefore more units meaning you take more unit efficient trades than a 1v1 test would suggest (just like you mentioned in your lanchester's law video)
The intro: "and now the conclusion"
The conclusion to what?
The conclusion to SotL love of Star Trek
Now introducing bohemians and the trash monks.
Intro: Spirit of the Eaw
Just one thing with the spanish villagers. Sappers. Spanish villagers with sappers can be devastating against buildings. I used to play with the Spanish and use only villagers as siege and it worked. They were also a good meatshield. The only downside I encounter was the villager pathfindig and moving large groups of villagers.
3:25 I think you meant "unique tech" not unit
No Turks honorable mention.
My disappointment is immeasurable
I'm surprised Aztecs didn't even get mentioned. Yes they have no calv, but both their unique techs make their skirmishers and halbs noticeably more deadly
Pikes*
@@light_david7 ah, a good point
#1: Danny DeVito
THE TRASHMAN!!!
gaming
@@jaredt5127 I JUMP INTO THE RING AND I THROW TRASH EVERYWHERE
Lemme get some TRAAASH to clog up this wound
You mean the Persians are the most like Penguin?
Whats great about Persians is that you can build expensive units like siege cavalry and war elephants while spamming out archers, the mitigated cost of them makes heavy investment comps much more manageable
Number 3: THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVE.MP3
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According to your list I think I prefer number 2 over number 1. Two-handed Swordsman without costing gold is too great a benefit to ignore
New intro :0
Hey Spirit..... 2:31, that miner chick at the bottom of the screen who is pacing back and forth uselessly..... Is it my imagination or is it that this type of thing happens 100x more often in DE than any other version of the game?
"Spirit Of The Thrash!" :p
0:30
Spirit of the Law: like in the 1v1 game
Me: if one vs many? That's another story?
For the love of God bring back the intro music!
Here's an idea - like your old video where you explained the real historical buildings behind the Wonders of each civilization, why not make a video explaining in a similar manner the civs' unique units? I personally think it would be interesting to watch. :)
1 view, 17 upvotes. thanks, youtube!
I was waiting for this for a long time.. thank you..
Honestly was expecting Aztecs to take #1, not gonna lie.
glad to see that the picture for the bodkin arrow is now a bodkin arrow
it used to be the exact opposite of what bodkin arrows are
also glad to see they gave the magyar huzsar wings
since that is what huszzszsars are all about visually
Thx for the video Spirit now i have my master plan whit Magyars Malay and Persians for late game trash battles
The new DE intro edit is gonna have a lot of hype to live up to. The classic intro has the balance of silly and epic moments and that watchability helped build the SoTL Empire!
I thought Aztec might at least get an honourable mention. Great skirmishers and their UT, is very beneficial for their pikeman
Not really, less armor is disabling
I have missed Aztecs and Burmese: First one has 12 attack pikemen, as well as 9 range 8 attack skirmishers (with vietnamese ally 9 attack), though as meso american they lack of cavalry.
For Burmese, they have 13 attack halbs and raiding hussars (+6 attack vs buildings), though their skirmishers are made of paper.
New Honorable Mention: Bohemian Trash Monks
Oh, the irony of Bulgarians missing thumb rings tech since the museums in Bulgaria are jam packed with them...
Aztecs! Gotta be honorable mention at least.their pikemen and skirms both improved by unique tech. Add extra gold from relics, the only infinite gold source in 1v1 allowing them to make a bit more siege (which they have excellent options of) they definitely outperform byz
TFW a channel has the best intro ever, but it doesn't even use it
Hey SotL! About the Spanish, if you are going to mention the no gold BS upgrades, you should also mention the extra gold from the trade on team games. The population efficiency is even higher!