Canon R5 - Dynamic Range in the real World
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- In this video I show you some photos I captured during a hike in the Austrian Mountains back in August. For those photos I was photographing directly into the sun, so the scenes I captured contain a huge dynamic range.
So how did the Canon EOS R5 hold up in such a situation. Is it really as good as Sony and Nikon now or even better? Well, I cannot directly compare it to their latest cameras, but I can at least tell you exactly what you can expect to get out of the EOS R5 now, when taking landscape photos.
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Thank you for this Michael. A proper real world test. This is just what I was looking for. I think it's very impressive. Great images also.
Beautiful work, Michael. Excellent explanation as well.
fantastic video, thanks.
Great shots. No GND filter. It is very good
waw this was amazing. thank you for sharing
finally Canon has caught up with Sony Sensors (Nikon also has been using them for a decade).
I'm really happy this is the case, either R6 or R5... don't know yet.
I got the R6 when I am facing the sun I am good but when my back is facing the sun my face gets dark the exposure seems to be bad at 0
@@alphaandomega2709 this has nothing to do with the camera, your face always be dark when the sun is behind you and you expose for the sun, or at least not as much as you think. Try to shoot in raw and use post processing software such as lighroom, you will be able to pull back the details on your face.
Yeah. Tolle Fotos aus dem Tannheimer Tal. 💪🏼
In the past canon was better for highlight recovery, now it is better to underexpose as the shadow recovery is really good, ive done upto 5 stops at 50 iso and noise is easily removed
5 Stops is too much for me. I print large and it just falls apart in the really dark tones. I don't go beyond 3 :-)
With my EOS R 3-4 stops pushed it was never a problem,acctualy the sweet spot for R is 4 stops +- depends on the condition,activating Dual Pixel Raw the dynamic range becomes + 0.8 EV...still a fantastic camera to use...its shame that so small number of people use Dual Pixel Raw to extract the second exposure and to benefit from that 0.8 more dynamic range into the highligts,which gives you more clean shadows :)
I have to check the dual pixel raw. The extraction happens in Canon Software?
@@mibreit-photo No,you should download DPR-Split,its free software,just type in Google,import the Raw file with activated Dual Pixel Raw and then just extract the second frame,its very simple and easy !
@@L.Lyubomirov Thanks. Great tip. Can't wait to try it
Great, I see they even support the R5 :-)
@@mibreit-photo I have told plenty of people this,but most them dont believe,another part of them thing its HDR,its NOT hdr,its simply more headroom and still from single RAW which is pretty damn good :) 5d mark 4 and Eos R seems that have the potential but locked,and thank to Dpr split we can now unlock the full power.
Very good video. Could you discuss how you sharpen in Photoshop?
This is all part of my start2finish tutorials. I do a lot of sharpening with the free version of Nik Sharpener. I have a link on my homepage under www.mibreit-photo.com/tutorials/post-processing-basics.html
glad i didn't skip that intro...breathtaking stuff. Did you use the 15-35mm for the intro scene?
This was shot on the Gopro Hero 7. In good light it's sufficient. But upcoming vlogs will feature more video shot on the R5
Thanks for this video very interesting. I had a D850 and personally I find that the dynamics are much better than on the R5 :(
That's totalls possible, Nikon has great DR. But for me the R5 also has plenty DR. Btw. didn't have time yet to check your test photos, but will do over weekend hopefully
Thank you so much, very interesting! I am an hybrid shooter and am so on the fence between canon and sony right now.. difficult choices! One question: I am an expat living in Munich (not since long). Would you suggest some destination or groups for photography/videography trips? Thanks 🙏 and cheers, great channel
I don't know of any groups, but from Munich it's just an hour down to Garmisch / Mittenwald. You will find a lot of photogenic places there. Just start with the Eibsee and the Kuhflucht waterfall. If you want a nice and easy mountain view checkout the mountains around Walchensee.
Michael Breitung thank you so much for you advices, cheers
Scheint wirklich eine sehr gute Kamera von Canon geworden zu sein, wobei man natürlich sagen muss dass das die Konkurrenz schon seit Jahren kann. Ich selbst habe seit 2 Jahren eine a7r3 und brauche wohl die nächsten 5 bis 8 Jahre keine neue Kamera anschaffen. Viel Spaß mit dem Gerät weiterhin!
Ja, Sony und Nikon sind schon lange da was Dynamic Range betrifft. Für einen Canon Nutzer ist es jedoch ein wahres Vergnügen nun auch in den Genuss zu kommen. Mal schauen mit was Sony und Nikon nachlegen.
Have you tried doing handheld EV bracketing with R5? I have heard that with fast burst speed some people successfully use handheld focus bracketing for macro. But you might need specialized program to get the best blending/ease of use 🤔. Thanks for the great video 😊!
Thanks to the good Ibis, I did simple 2 exposure brackets (0, +2) and this works quite well if the exposure times are kept low. And for stacking I have a video coming :-) But I mostly use tripod
@@mibreit-photo Thanks for the info. This was the first video from you I saw and I subscribed right away 🙂.
Wow great DR the R5 has, superb video
The intro b-roll, on witch camera is that shot ?
Gopro hero 7 ;-)
@@mibreit-photo looks nice with rich colors
Great 👌how are you finding the noise in LR ? I feel it adds loads of extra noise even at low ISO’s compared to capture one pro and DPP , so much so I can’t , won’t use it. C1 is just sharper cleaner , nicer files
For the R5 I found C1 worse. But it's half a year since i tested, maybe the latest Version improoves it.
I have a Canon 6D and I'm thinking about the Canon EOS R, not the R5, it's expensive, maybe it will be great, otherwise a great video..
Me too...maybe the r6, but i only shoot (night) photos on a tripod, so i don't need IBIS...i think...
Yea the IBIS is also unnecessary for me. It's just an additional heat generator which draws energy, even when switched off ;-)
@@mibreit-photo what about the noise Michael on the eos r? Is it good for nightshots?
agreed. especially second hand the R is a 'steal'. i am selling my R (switched to nikon) at the moment and in germany the gap is roughly 3 or 4x between a used R and a new R5 (still high second hand prices)... unless you are a pro like Michael, does it really make sense to buy an R5? not sure, considering the R still produces great photos.
If all you shoot is landscape then get a 5Dmkiv or the 5Ds/r. The mirrorless are more suited for portraits with the eye AF. The R has banding issues which the mkiv doesn’t have. The mkiv has better weather sealing.
For some reason this really high dynamic range pictures seems a bit dark. Whys it look so dark? is it just because theres so few highlights that are fully saturated/white?
Like a bit gloomy looking at some points.
Its Not about HDR Video. I dont have Studio Lights yet, thats why the Office seems dark - I am still learning video. The Landscape shots are Well exposed I would say though. This is about Photo capabilities of R5.
How do you not have IBIS sensor wobble in your video?! Did you put it on a gimble? I had an R5 and the wobble was bad, same with most videos I see.
Hehe. I use gopro for vlogging ,;-)
@@mibreit-photo ah, they both have about the same highlight rolloff so hard to tell 😁
can you please process the same photo to canon DPP to see the result.
Do you expect even better results? I did some tests a few weeks ago and found in terms of dynamic range LR was quite good. Also DPP is not a very user friendly software, so I wouldn't use it in my real workflow and what I get from LR here is pretty good I think
Hi thank you for the video what settings are the video ? 4k or 8k ? raw? clog?
I shoot 4k hq in default Mode Ipb. My PC cannot handle clog and h265 ;-) the behind the scenes video was shot on gopro.
@@mibreit-photo Thank you :) yeah 8K is killer for pc :) I just wanted to see if this is the raw file or not because raw have more dynamic range i guess
@@zombiebobo the photos were RAW ;-)
@@mibreit-photo yeah I know they look nice but I'm more video shooter :D
Rumors of overheating put me off this camera. Wouldn't bet my money on it.
I have had it in hot conditions now and photos are no Problem. Only the hot Pixels during long exposures are Bad as I show in one of my Videos.
@@mibreit-photo Ever been to my town? Saigon?
@@TexpatOTG only been to the north till now. But maybe next time
@@mibreit-photo North is pretty cool compared to here. I had an a7iii overheat here before its recording limit was reached. I think the humidity is a factor too. I think I need to spring for a real cinema camera since I nearly am nearly shooting 100% video.
@@mibreit-photo Yes I haven't seen any reports of it overheating. Remember though it performs in-camera NR (even to RAW files) to artificially increase DR at low ISOs.
Yaa I mean it's just unfortunate the R5 is bad in dynamic range, especially now I've seen A7S3 footage and comparisons!. I can see the shadow detail is bad, and the highlights are losing detail and low light is just noisy!. It's the Sony A7S3 or the Panasonic S5 or S1H you need if you want good dynamic range!. There is countless comparisons on RUclips now that show the R5 dynamic range just isnt there!. I have Sony and Nikon cameras so I'll buy any camera brand that offers what I need so that also includes canon if they create something that suits my needs I'll buy it before anyone goes oh your a canon hater!. Just being objective the R5 is not a good dynamic range video camera.
What are you talking about? This is a video about the photo capabilities and the dynamic range is excellent ;-) For video I agree, it's not comparable to Sony. But it's not bad either. The video here was shot on a Gopro ;-)
For still photos R5 DR is only a little behind Sony A7r IV and A7 III (and some Nikons etc. using the most advanced Sony sensors). I don't see the point in compairing to A7s III because of too low resolution for still photography. And when compaired to A9 series R5 has a better DR. (This is because A9 is designed for extreme speed with stacked sensor and has a superior sensor readout time / ES rolling shutter performance than anything else. A9 series 12-bit FF readout is 6ms vs. R5 ~16-17ms vs. A7r IV 50ms and A7 III 35ms.)
Typically Canon DR is not similarly balanced around 0 EV than Sony so you are better of for setting EV to something like -1 for example (if doing single shot photos).
From DR measurements done by professionals it might first appear that R5 has the best DR of any cameras (at the native ISO). But it seems that this reading is caused by Canon adding a slight amount of forced NR even with "pure" RAW output (also applies to R6/1D X Mk III). So technically R5 doesn't have superior DR compared to the best Sony sensors. Here is a link to one of the good technical comparisons:
www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm
P.S. I'm at the moment Sony APS-C user but about to upgrade to FF. And it looks like I'm choosing the R5. Sony cameras are really good too, but I do pretty much only wildlife still photography and for that, for my preferences, it looks like R5 is the way to go.
@@tkermi Thanks for the Info. I for one thing am now very content with the dynamic range of the R5. For a long time Canon Shooter it's a dream. Will be interesting to see if the next generation Nikons and Sonys will push it even further and closer to medium format
@@mibreit-photo hey, ah I assumed it was a video dynamic range test as there is so many if them on RUclips. Oh yaaa I aggree the R5 for photography is fantastic!! Yea no arguments there for photography it's a stunning camera with its auto focus that pics up even small bird eyes fantastic!.
@@mibreit-photo Yes, for a while Canon was somewhat behind Sony in tech (well, the glass/basic AF/ergonomics/durability etc. were excellent). So it's great for the industry development that Canon has made really nice progress and have an extremely competitive camera like R5. Now when the situation is quite even it will push Sony (and hopefully other manufacturers as well) to the next gear.
But I think that Canon also has more tech R&D up their sleeve. One design improvement that I see coming is BSI sensor tech. Canon has it in some of their sensors but R5 doesn't have it. BSI brings more benefits for smaller pixels - so not that much at all in ~20Mp FF sensors (extremely good for small/high resolution phone camera sensors). But it's harder to manufacture for large sensors with higher pixel densities - so that's why R5 doesn't have it.
With 45Mp FF sensor the change to BSI could maybe provide up to a 1/10 stop increase in DR. It's worth to mention that in some internet sources it's falsely stated that change to BSI was the reason A7r III have about 1 stop (actually ~4/5 stop) DR increase over A7r II. A7r II already had the BSI... But it was badly made (at least in some tested units). And badly made BSI sensor has lower DR than well made traditional sensor.
But BSI tech becomes more interesting with something like rumoured upcoming Canon 80-90Mp sensor. But for my use this high resolution is mainly only beneficial if the sensor also includes an option for a native 4:1 binning. This could mean 16-bit sensor readout and about 1,5 stops DR improvement! (In theory it could be 2 stops, but in reality it would be closer to about 1,5.)
But this tech will probably be really expensive at first so R5 is great for now 😊.