American Airlines Flight 191 Crash Fire Radio Communications
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- 30 Years Ago Today: American Airlines Flight 191, Worst Single-Plane Accident
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“No One Survived” American Airlines Flight 191 Crash May 25, 1979 Near O’Hare
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When American Airlines Flight 191 crashed just north of O'Hare International Airport there were were many witnesses to the smoke and fire that immediately rose from the crash site. Some fire units were already on the street and reported the unknown source of a huge fire and headed straight for the disaster scene.
This video clip includes the audio (with added transcript in video text) of the Local Fire frequency that was shared by several suburbs just north of the airport: Elk Grove Township, Elk Grove Village, Mount Prospect and Arlington Heights.
Abbreviations used in the video transcript:
AHTS ... Arlington Heights Fire Department serves the next suburb north of Elk Grove Village. The Arlington Heights Fire Alarm Office was also the command center for MABAS Division 1 (Mutual Aid Box Alarm System) -- the mutual aid district that encompassed the disaster scene. The Arlington Heights Fire Department office managed the MABAS response via the NIFERN radio frequency, which is now known as IFERN and is used for major disasters when mutual aid among fire departments is required. Chicago Fire Department also managed a separate command that is not heard in this audio.
EGRT ... Elk Grove Township Fire Department is the fire protection district that was closest to the disaster scene, directly north of O'Hare International Airport. At the time of the crash, Elk Grove Township Fire Department was a brand new department. If I remember correctly, their ambulance had not yet certified for Advanced Life Support at the time of the crash. That is probably why EGRT Ambulance 321 was calling for help requesting an MICU. In the early days of Emergency Medical Service (EMS), Advanced Life Support (ALS) ambulances staffed by paramedics were called Mobile Intensive Care Units (MICU).
EGRV -- Elk Grove Village Fire Department was the next closest suburb to the disaster scene. EGRV borders most of the west side of O'Hare International Airport. Most of the dispatcher communication at the beginning of the audio is from the Elk Grove Village Fire Department fire dispatch/alarm office.
MABAS ... Mutual Alarm Box Alarm System invented in 1968 for suburban fire departments and modeled after the City of Chicago fire response alarm system. The system now includes the suburbs and the City of Chicago.
MTPR ... Mount Prospect Fire Department covers the next suburb north of the district covered by Elk Grove Rural Township Fire Department.
NIFERN ... Northern Illinois Fire Emergency Radio Network is former name of IFERN the current acronym for the Interagency Fire Emergency Radio Network.
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My wife died aboard this crash. 5.25.11 is the 32nd anniversary of this which is still the worse crash of a commercial airplane in US history. FINALLY after 32 years there is suppose to be a Memorial built by the fall of 2011. I can't believe it took 32 years!
How much money did you settle for?
Sorry for your loss
I sat next to a nice lady from LAX to Chicago on the redeye flight Sunday night before the crash. She was very nervous about flying and was supposed to return home to LA on Friday. Her husband did not want her to go to the convention but it meant a promotion and raise for her. She had 3 children and she told me their stories and showed me their pictures. I think about her many times.
I'm sorry for your loss. 191 still haunts me to this day. I was booked on 191 but did not go. In 2018 the 25th was once again on Friday and I relived my whole week from 39 years ago.
Jack oz.im sorry to hear.R.I.P. to your late wife.i believe your story.i believe your wife would have been julie ozminkowski from indiana.and she was heading back to Hawaii were she was stationed.after visiting you in indiana? Such a sad story.
Jack sorry for your loss. It's painful to here this. God give your strength
I was in 8th grade and didn't go to school that day (don't remember why). A friend and I were riding our bicycles down Touhy towards Lee St. We used to ride our bikes around the airport a few times a week so we could watch the planes take off and land. We saw the plane passing over us flying with it's wings vertical, and the engines whining like I had never heard before. Seconds after the plane passed over us, it went down close to a trailer park. We just stood there watching in horror as traffic ground to a standstill. Police had to yell at drivers to get out of the area to make room for fire trucks and ambulances to get in. We were ushered out too, even though we weren't on the street, my guess was because of the fumes from the burning jet fuel. It was a sight and smell I will never forget. That was the last time I rode my bike around the airport. There used to be a banner that was attached to a chain link fence at the intersection of Touhy and Mt. Prospect Rd. that payed tribute to the victims. When the new Memorial to those victims, at Lake Park in Des Plaines, was dedicated, the old banner which was in really bad shape, was removed and never replaced.
Thank you for your post. My Father was on that flight.
@@retiredsmlltwncop3985 I am very sorry for your loss.
@@PaganWizard I thank you.
I also skipped an 8th grade assembly that day (seating arrangements for grad ceremony, which I wanted to avoid) and went with my mom to Sears at Cicero and Irving Park instead. We saw a huge amount of fire engines rolling up Milwaukee when our bus got to Irving Park and Cicero, and when we walked into the old Woolworths on Cicero we found out exactly where they were going. It was just such a shocking disaster for a kid in his very early teens to take in.
It was also the smell of burning bodies they didn't want you to be around. This was very tragic and must have been traumatizing for you and your friend at such a young age.
This happened 9 years before I was born, but my dad can still remember what he was doing. He was in college at the time and his dad (my grandpa) was in the hospital battling cancer. My dad went to go visit him and as he was in the elevator, an announcement over the intercom announced that a code was happening, and suddenly the elevator went back down to the main floor. My dad asked a receptionist what was happening and learned the crash had just happened. That code was for a mass casualty incident - they were getting ready for survivors. Sadly, as we all know, there were no survivors. The code was cleared within a few minutes when it became obvious that there was nobody that had lived.
Thank you for posting this. It's chilling and sad because my Great Aunt was one of the passengers that perished in this particular crash.
Sorry for your loss. We lost a dear friend too. Rest in Peace Rhonda.
My sympathies for your loss(es). I was in high school at Maine West at the time. That day was spooky beyond description. I grew up in Des Plaines and near O’Hare. I still feel sadness about that day. I always will.
I was a student at Maine West High School in Des Plaines. Guys outside during 9th period gym class saw the fireball. I was inside at that time. The black smoke was unreal.....a very eerie day. The thing that will stick in my mind forever was the sound of simultaneous sirens that seemed to go on forever. A very frightening event. Such loss of humanity.
This incident effected me indirectly in two ways: 1) A girl in my pre-school class lost both her parents on that flight (try explaining death to a group of 4 year olds) and my late stepdad was one of the responding firefighters from the suburban fire departments that sad day. He told me some stories I cant repeat here. The memorial for the people killed that day as dedicated today, with NO HELP from AA. May the 273 people who died that May day 32 years ago rest in peace.
RenegadeChauffeur no this is the perfect place to repeat it actually. People need to hear stories like that
which one was your stepdad in the video?
I won’t watch 15 sec ads Trust me RUclips would ban me for what I could say.
Aviator Jarret he wasn’t on the recordings; he came to the scene later on.
A bit of fact though: the person who radioed in the “great deal of black smoke” was a fireman at the same department my stepfather was on; he told me that what he said and what’s in the recordings is two different things.
Can you post the stories on Reddit and link it here?
40 years ago today, and still remembered.
me too
45 now
I was standing on the apron of our Fire Dept when it crashed, we saw the header in the sky and knew we were going to the fire. Little did we know it was in Elk Grove Township and we were in Mundelein.
the smoke was visible at Ohio and LSD
Just imagine being a first responder trying to figure out what the hell just happened in the initial moments. Respect to our nations first responders
I’m not from the area where this accident took place, but wow, listening to this absolutely brings chills down my spine. My heart goes out to the victims and those who were affected by this crash.
The person talking on the radio from Elk Grove Ambulance 321 is a personal friend of mine. Gene still doesn't like telling the story about that day, except for one thing: At 3:16, the recording is edited; what Gene actually said over the radio is this, and I quote: "This IS A M*****F****** PLANE."
I'm researching this event in detail for a project, and if your friend would be at all willing to speak with me, please let me know. Thanks.
and it was one of yje first incidents that EGRT responded to, thank GOD it didn't crash into the tank farm, 7500 Elmhurst would've been incinerated
I worked for the department for 15 years and the crash was almost never brought up, for obvious, respectful reasons
High Treason I don’t think he’d talk about it.
I can't imagine the feeling the moment they realized it was a plane crash. Such a surreal tragedy.
I lived in Schiller Park..MAY 25TH 1979 I WILL NEVER FORGET THIS!! Was VERY close to this..I was 11 years old
I was 7 years old. I wasn't there, but I was at school and when I got home I learned my Father was on the plane. Thank you for your post.
@@retiredsmlltwncop3985I’m so sorry for your loss.
Good work with transcript and with additional info provided below.
My uncle Bob had just left Mt. Prospect Fire department, but his cousin Denny Amber was still with the department, most likely at the scene. Sister and I were in grade school (Fairview School) in Mount Prospect, my sister saw the black smoke while in gym class
my dad witnessed this crash. he was driving in his car at the time and saw the huge fireball in his rearview mirror.
My uncle Tom was driving down Touhy at the time: Airport to the south plane crash to the north near the oil tanks and mobile homes.
My co worker had just left O'Hare picking up his uncle for a wedding party in Merrillville Indiana.He said they felt the rumble/shudder even while driving a few miles away as they hit the expressway heading back towards Indiana.His uncle turned around in his seat and saw the ploom of black smoke.We had just had a practice run through of my friend Ken and Marcie's wedding that would go on the next day Saturday the 26th of May.After practice ....we all went to the father of the brides house in Merrillville for dinner and beers.I was 21 at the time and our eyes were glued to the TV.All stations had this crash on their channels.Made ya think.....wow...in a blink of an eye...these people were doomed while this special flight had a camera out the front on the windshield so the passengers could see the flight take off.Think of the people watching the ground coming closer then boom.RIP to the 272 that perished that May 25th 1979.I think 3 on the ground died too.Wrong place at the wrong time.Still today as the worse single air crash in the history of our USA.After that....i said i would never ever set foot on any plane.
I was finishing my 8th year of school in may 1979 I remember it coming home from my mount prospect middle school and seeing the black smoke and news coverage
Gives me chills to listen to this.
Safe to say that was one massively bad day for every single person involved.
40 years ago today. RIP to the 283 souls
I'm pretty sure it was 271. Which is still devastating. Almost as devastating as in 1988 when US military fired two missiles at a civilan Iranian passenget jet (IR-655), killing 274 innocent people. At least the crash of Flight 191 wasn't a straight up act of terrorism.
@@daizukkesnabela You can thank Ayatollah Khomeinei for that.
I pass by this trailer park every weekday to work. At the beginning you hear ... "standard oil," There are some oil tanks next to the trailer park on Elmhurst road and Touhy, They probably thought that exploded.
This is still the worst aviation accident in US history I believe.....I was only 7 but can vaguely remember when it happened.God bless all of the Emergency responders and victims.I have flown over those oil storage tanks many times myself.
I believe that it is the worst crash that did not involve terrorism, because 9/11 was the worst accident involving airplanes on us soil.
@@saturn_v3362 If we talk US involvement in general I'd say that it was pretty bad too when US military in 1988 shot down a civilian Iranian passenger jet, killing 274 innocent people.
You can tell that's a station trying to figure out where the crash occurred at 4:18 because of the siren going off in the background. It's gotta be EGTFD.
I grew up in Elk Grove, so this is really powerful for me
This could've been easily prevented if the damn maintenance people working on the plane actually installed the engine according to regulations, but no, they have to go and take a shortcut to make things faster and cheaper.
can you prove that to be true?
The ntsb came to that conclusion
www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Pages/AAR7917.aspx
@@mikeevans5810 It's been proven by the NTSB.
@@ChristopherSaindon it's on the manufacture, then, not on maintenance
@@mikeevans5810 , Manufacture recommended how it's to be maintained. They do Not have any authority over how the airlines decide how to do it. They never approved of this shortcut method as acceptable... As a Toyota car owner, I'd rather buy generic parts than go through the dealership when replacing my brake pads, alternator, etc... It's so much cheaper. Yes, I know the Toyota parts are better but... I made the conscious decision that cheaper is what I can afford. Just as these airlines found a cheaper way to maintain their aircraft - unfortunately with deadly results.
Elk Grove , Mt prospect, Arlington Hts , Chicago FD thank you for the effort. Must have been a horrendous scene
This happened on my first working O'Hare Tower... I got broke in quick..
What did you see?
@@Simbapocketalt1 Can't say..
@@300rcc understandable.
@@300rcc but you did see the crash correct?
Can't say because he wasn't there
hi bearsfgan,yeh wow what a spooky coincadence!..I was 11 years old,I lived in Schiller PARK NOT FAR FROM CRASH,IT WAS THE MOST SCARIEST THING I SEEN ON TV..I believe we saw the smoke too!We moved to Bartlett in June..just after this.Gawd!!Soo many people!..Yeh I seen the story on this,that poor pilot,he took this flight as a favor for another pilot,this was before the memorial day weekend,so sad,my sympathy to his son & family,even though it was so long ago,I will NEVER forget this.
So sad and so chilling.
The good ole days were not so good. Horrific plane crash, greed for profit over lives!!
At 4:18 that volunteer FF is saying "Elk Grove Township Base, is that fire on O'Higgins or Touhy?"
No, he's saying "Old Higgins" which starts west of Elmhurst Road, just south of Burger King.
Is the burn victim they're referring to near the end one of the people injured on the ground in the shed?
I believe so since the people on the ground are the only ones who could possibly have survived the initial impact. The official report includes two fatalities in the garage and another two victims who sustained third-degree burns. So the audio probably refers to one of those two surviving burn victims.
THis flight number 191 has actually been pulled by the FAA and decommissioned. this is not the only flight 191 which has crashed, there have been so many crashes with flight number 191 that people are saying the flight number is cursed. I actually just watched a video on here about it. Look up Flight 191 Cursed on here. The Channel is Called Graveyard Shift. I found this especially chilling. No.. It's down right chilling. One occured in 1985 the year I was born as well. 4 plane crashes all fatal, all flight 191.
There's also another Flight 191 that was involved in a serious accident but which fortunately did not result in any fatalities.
It has to do with the prophecy 911 depicted in Matthew 9:11 you also know that obviously 9/11 was a bad day in America. Also emergency call is 911. Also, The angel number 911 is a highly spiritual number. If you keep seeing 911, it's a call for you to follow your divine life calling. This number possesses the vibrations of spiritual enlightenment and awareness. You are open to new beginnings as a result of your spiritual thoughts and actions
Graveyard shift actually got the number wrong. There's been at least 6 total 191 crashes as well as a near miss incident in 2012 where the captain lost his mind and tried to stall the plane mid-flight. In that most recent incident, the captain started foaming at the mouth and broke his restraints, which is common in demonic possession. I 95% believe there's some kind of curse on that flight number.
I was a cop in 84-5 in those days if you had military background you were hired, today they want a 40k dollar egucation to even be considered but today unless your psycotic they will not hire you, if your in anyway compasionate for other humans your not hired, yes life was much better back in the day.
That's what comes of being the nation in the world that is number one in high self esteem, and raising generations of narcissists to the point we end up with a malignant(psychopathic) narcissist as president and STILL can't see the symptoms and dangers even though they're the most destructive kind of humans we have on the planet. (And I'm not saying we should abuse children and damage self esteem, I'm saying there is a balance and we are nowhere NEAR it.) It's not just the police force that's effected, though that's extraordinarily dangerous that it is. It's plenty of places, govts. corporations, businesses, these conscience-free people come off to the ignorant masses as 'bold, brave, innovative' when all it actually is, is they don't have any empathy, compassion, guilt, shame or remorse, so they plunge ahead not giving any fucks. People mistake that as a good character trait, when it's the blaring red alert flag they should be shutting down before it has a chance to do damage, much less take control over others. But these types naturally weasel their ways into powerful positions and so anything they run, ends up like this. A destructive, harmful mess. They're sadistic and filled with power-lust and they literally don't care who dies or who they have to step on to get what they want. I wish people would educate themselves about these serious mental disorders and how they're ruining our world.
Guy Azbell nah
@@FallingGalaxy It has nothing to do with mental disorders. Read a book called _The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and It's Impact on World History._ Maybe then you'll have a better understanding.
that's bullshit
bullshit
Everyone on the plane died, along with two people in the trailer park.
wrong, the two people were in the used airplane parts warehouse. nobody in the trailer park died.
Scariest thing about this crash was they had a camera facing forward that was projected onto a screen for the passengers to watch the takeoff on. IE: they watched the ground approaching. This practice was discontinued after 191... my dad flew DC-10s weekly and loved the feature but I could see how it was determined not the best idea
Yeah I heard that Years ago and I was trying to confirm if camera was on during this flight- Thanks for the info A terrible thing....I was 19 and working nearby in an Elk Grove warehouse and We could see the smoke from side door on warehouse right after it happened around 3:15 pm or so We got off at 3:30 pm and Touhy ave was all blocked off already
It was not discontinued after Flight 191. It was still in use on DC-10 flights as late as 1984.
typical box alarm with mass confusion from the start, endless radio traffic and every white shirt giving blind orders like he's the one calling all the plays, yet, somehow the job gets done, thanks to all the blue shirts doing the grunt work
I was outside playing in Oasis park. Heard the explosion & saw the smoke. My mom grabbed me, my friends mom grabbed him. Man can still here the sound like it was yesterday.
That beeping that occurs throughout the recording, doesn't that happen when two people key their mics at the same time to prevent overlap?
I believe that what you are hearing is a heterodyne, which is a consequence of how radio transmissions interfere with each other. In fact radio heterodyne was a factor in the Tenerife plane disaster; two simultaneous transmissions, warning a plane that another was still on a foggy runway, was not heard by the plane because the two transmissions happened at the same time. All they heard was a whistling sound, which is a heterodyne.
Can you obtain the communications from the Arlington Park fire?
do you have more radio commincations from the crash?
This crash have changed D.C. 10 forever because of engine detach
41 years now 😢
Would like to locate these radio transmissions, from August 16 1987 Romulus Michigan Northwest Airlines Flight 255
wow i feel bad did everyone died? or like a few survived?
Dat boi everyone died and 2 deaths from crashing into the trailer park
Dat boi everyone died and 2 deaths from crashing into the trailer park
@@jamesgentry13 , the two people were in the used airplane parts warehouse. nobody in the trailer park died.
Eternal rest give unto her soul oh lord. Let perpetual light shine upon her, may she and the 273 souls...rest in peace. ( i was 8 yr old in UK watched it on the news. Left a mark on me. i hope, despite this tragedy, that your life has been fruitful and peaceful.
Knuckleheads.. This had nothing to do with pilot error. The crew did exactly what they were supposed to do when an engine fails. What the crew didn't, and thanks to the damage couldn't have known, was the port slats lost pressure and retracted, stalling the port wing and spinning the airplane.
they were doomed from the start
the mechanic committed suicide
@@markpreston6930 is that true? Do you have a source for this?
I lay much of the blame towards Crandell and the executives over at AA for obvious cost-cutting measures in not following proper maintenance procedures with engine removal from wing. Using a forklift for this saved 200 man hours, but the shortcut to keep engine and pylon intact was deadly. AA should have been sued out of existence due to willful negligence.
@@Sarah.Riedel
Earl Russell Marshall, a crew chief at the American Airlines maintenance facility in Tulsa, where the last maintenance procedure on the aircraft had taken place, subsequently committed suicide the night before he was to be deposed by McDonnell Douglas attorneys.
*thats standard oil*
Are you sure about that?
Thats eery man..
What is NIFERN?
That would be IFERN: Illinois Fire Emergency Radio Network.
Ohhhhh, thanks Dalmatian! Would they switch to IFERN to keep communications closed from civilian radio bands?
israybil32980 No IFERN is pretty much used to dispatch mutual aid departments to an incident. They use the frequency 154.265 statewide which makes it much easier to dispatch several departments at once without having to go through different dispatch agencies one by one.
MABAS IFERN
Back in the day IFERN was called NIFERN
They are referring it to as a “DC 10 crash” with an air of familiarity.
Probably because DC-10s were crashing with an alarming regularity back in the 1970s. That year alone, in addition to American 191, two other DC-10 crashed - Western Airlines Flight 2605 in Mexico City, and Air New Zealand Flight 901 in Antarctica.
Il neverforget aa191 reminds me of elvis kennedy 911 even its never went away xx
hi dtetz,
Yes I remember hearing that,wow she felt uineasy..and to witness that really happe3ning after feeling that before hand..wow!..I lived in Schiller Park,the man I met 12 yrs later said he seen it driving home on expressway after working in the city with his friend.He seen the explosion!
I cant even imagine seeing this first hand.
Gee another Town on a ship.
The artwork appears to be an aircraft (top center of image) as seen from the front, with suited up fire fighters in various stances across the bottom of the image. The overlay type says FIREFIGHTER-FITNESS.NET.
Thanks Alex. He certainly was.
Hi Koramu,
This was in '79 wayy after Vietnam War.why the ha,ha..nothin' funny about this,I witnessed it & lived nearby (schiller park0I was 11 yrs old,very terrifying.
You didn't leave the letters up long enough to read omg
Try adjusting your RUclips playback speed. That should help.
@138ozzilla you must have been about the age I am now. i can't even imagine what that must have been like for you. that's terrible. i'm very sorry.
Sad
I wonder what happen to the maintenance people that fucked up engine number one's locking pins when they were working on it.
+Kevin Pippin I heard one of them couldn't live with himself and committed suicide
Kevin Pippin The plane should have flown with one engine missing however it was a design flaw also, the plane had all three hydraulic systems connected close together on the leading edge of the wing. They all were severed causing the wing slats to retract back into the wing as the hydraulic fluid from all three lines was coming out causing the left wing to lose its lift.
nothing
It wasn't the maintenance peoples fault as much as thier supervision. They were told to take shortcuts in order to get the plane back into service quickly.
@@sstevenson5014 can that be proven to be fact?
Wrong, 2 died in the factory it crashed near.
not a factory, an old hangar at former orchard airport. the hangar was a used airplane parts dealership. they bit off a bit more than they could chew that day.
It was described in the report as a "garage," either way.
Almost as sad as when US military in 1988 shot down a civilian Iranian plane. Killing 274 innocent people.
The victims can thank Ayatollah Khomeinei for killing them.
the plane take off from O'hare how your dad come from vietnam?
I HATE it when guys get on the radio screaming. It's not like THEY are on fire. They need to calm their speech down so it can be understood. That unit 321 is the worst
Even today, radio discipline is not something that is practiced. They don’t listen for other traffic . They just key the mic and start yelling.
If only it was a factory explosion
Chaos as usual.
hard not to have it considering the overall situation
@nese67 I lived inside the plane.... I was 112 years old. Never will forget this.
Another town on a Ship
Your dad couldnt have been comming home from vietnam when this happend.
maybe he was let out of the Hanoi Hilton
This was in 1979 and the war was over. Was he on vacation?
Don't see why not. Planes can fly from Vietnam to the u.s. Its called a connecting flight
The amateurism of the people on dispatch is annoying as hell.
+Kamer Oudste That's a problem with most Chicago area radio dispatchers.
They sound more like kids playing with walkie talkies than dispatch professionals.
+crispycritterz Really?.. way to paint with a broad brush there crispy. Back in the day, most of those you heard on the fire radios were firemen, not actual dispatchers. Chicago is still pretty casual with their dispatch on police & fire, but speaking as a dispatcher, most are more structured now.
CPD is still horrible. CFD has good radio discipline.
The plan was an l1011tristar not a dc10
That is incorrect, it was a DC-10.
Josh Kincheloe American Airlines never used the Tristar. I believe you're confusing it with Delta flight 191 that was indeed a Tristar, which crashed on August 2, 1985 at DFW.
Ass wipe. It was a dc10-10.
Josh Kincheloe Plane
Mystic シ Made a mistake. Lighten up jug- head.