Mercedes eActros review & charging test
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We demand a full banana box test!
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Best comment so far 🙈
We need it immediately 😃
Only if you eat all the bananas to get the boxes from
We need a banana box guessing game! The winner will get a full banana box! My estimation is 301 😁
Corinna is great she really is a good ambessador for the technology. I love the no BS attitude
They know that if they send the usual "PR-guy", he would'nt be able to answer any of Bjørns questions.
This was really interesting. I learned a lot of stuff I didn't realize I wanted to know! Thanks, Corinna & Björn!
Da denkst du dir, dass der Tag nix in petto hat und der Herr Schwerdtel himself (bekannt aus Print und digitalen Medien) kommentiert unter dem Video von deinem favorisierten Elektromobilitäts-RUclipsr.
@@BertholdBrigitte Ach, jetzt werde ich aber rot, merci☺️
Thank you, I really had fun that day! Corinna :-)
@@BertholdBrigitte same
21:50 So if you can roughly say 100 kWh per 100 km with cargo, that is about 0,07 kWh per ton of cargo (I took 16 tons since that is pretty standard) and kilometer. A Diesel truck of the same class needs 25 liters/100 km and one liter of diesel contains 9,8 kWh of energy - that makes 0,15 kWh per ton and Kilometer - a little more than double the energy consumption, which shows, just how efficient electric motors are.
Also, if you apply the current price for diesel in germany with about 1,45 €/l you get a cost of 36,25 €/100 km - the electric truck costs about 20 € per 100 km (based on 20 ct/kWh, if the company has an own charging station for all the trucks and uses a lot of electricity plus charges them at night, that is more than realistic - I myself pay 19 ct/kWh at night)
Love that you go off the beaten track of "just" covering cars. Really interesting video and it is good to see that trucks are coming at last.
Hopefully, this will be my next truck. Love it!
What I particularly like in this video and also the one about the eCitaro: They let you talk to the technical people, who really know the dirty details about the drive train and everything, not just the marketing blurb you often hear when going on a car presentation...
Can't wait for the 1000km challenge with this truck :)
The onboard weighing is relatively easy with air-suspension. With a few pressure sensors, this is can be calculated quite easy.
Is the normal non elictrcal versions able to do this ?
@@BrianBrunebjergNielsen Sure, as long as there is air suspension. It exits since 20 years, also for trailers with air suspension.
@@Mike-kr5dn sure.... anything can be rigged... that is also why it will never be sufficient for trade, e.g. invoicing goods based on that system.
So good to see real people doing and explaining their real work - as opposed to marketing bs, candy wrappers or even overly scripted reviews. Thanks Bjorn for staying loyal to the 'common sense ' line in your videos 👍
Great video Bjorn. You always find a way to shows the latest developments in EVs. Thanks for your hard work.
740 kg and 105 kWh times 4 battery packs total 2760 kg and 420 kWh and total gross weight is 27,000 kg. Normal non-electric truck allowed 25,000 kg.
3 axle one can go up to 28.000kg
@@worldofdaniel4763 amazing
She said they got an extra allowance from the regulators
Obviously, the type approval and the law has to be change for E-trucks. Otherwise they can only carry a single pallet. An electric truck has regen braking, so some of the reason for the weight limit of conventional trucks is their braking capability, is no longer relevant.... So Björn wants a big battery? Now he knows how easy the Mercedes truck battery is to remove!
11:40 is not an engine brake on Diesel but a retarder which works mostly hydraulically (sometimes electrically) and is a unit fitted to the gearbox. Converts kinetic energy into heat. The traditional engine ' exhaust' or Jacobs brakes found on US and Australian trucks are illegal in Europe because of the noise they make.
Loved hearing that electric truck ninja past during the charging. Imagine the racket if it was a diesel, it would have drowned out everything and the electric just silently wooshed by. Sounded so cool!
Man, these kind of videos really make me feel good about the future.
Indeed, but the eletric power need to be made green as well, that is another challenge.
@@Kaffeslaberas Correct, but electric vehicles are always cleaner - even on non renewable energy.
@@Kaffeslaberas more Nuclear Power is what's needed!
@Sound Speed, yes they are working on some interesting nuclear “in a container “ project . Bill Gate are involved, I know.
Impressive! Do they come with drivers? We’re short of about 100,000 in Great Britain!
420Kwh! I'm so impressed with the size of the pack. ~500 km range. And 330 kW motors... shows you how overpowered many EVs are.
330kw continuous power. 400kw peak which is pretty much in line with the diesel engines.
Cars normally run at less than 50kW continuous, you can see on Bjorn videos. The >150kW, is only used when accelerating, that does not take that long.
@@lorenzmuller4000 the peak in power is less than the supposed peak power of Kia ev6 gt, from what I can tell. I just found it interesting to compare the two
@@ikocheratcr sure, I'm well aware of the difference (given that average consumptions at 100km/h is usually around 20 kW), but peak power of this truck is still lower than some of the sporty EVs.
@@noleti The same with ICE vehicles, sporty ones have huge power engines, while trucks do not. Depends on the truck capacity.
Those charging stations use the BRUGG plug which is NOT liquid cooled. More advanced charging stations have the cooling system for the cable and the connector. After all, it seems that the truck does not have a cooled socket even on its side.
Well, don't know if its very "advanced" to need cooling for the cable. Means the cable is just too small and causes a lot of losses when it heats up. Well, it's probably cheaper that way than to make the cable beefier. Cooling is extra complexity that ideally should not be needed.
Does the Dutch company "Simon Loos" ordered some of these trucks ? Hope so, would be great !
Can't wait to see them irl
@@bluebikerathar Simos Loos has been using electric trucks for over a year now, both Mercedes and Daf/VDL. Distribution hub is near the city's they supply, traffic between distribution hubs is still diesel. Just like their 1000+ other trucks... :D
The banana box test would be easy - the space is a box, measure it and calculate how many boxes you can fit in!
Thank you Corinna! Best and most knowledgeable presenter I think Björn has had in the channel so far!
Simon Loos!! A famous Dutch trucking company! Just a few miles from my home!
Great video! More like this!
I guess they have targeted absolute longevity with that 160 kW charging power limit. Otherwise it sounds quite low for 420 kWh pack - only 0,4 C. Cool truck!
Yes it wont get hot with such low C:)
Well, they said in the beginning that the charge controller is taken from the EQS. I guess the charge limit is more to protect the power electronics than the battery.
@@Soordhin Well, that's a good point. Even with improved cooling there's a limit how much that can handle.
@@Soordhin Probably also the cabling inside the car. I am sure this is not a big issue and later production versions will be able to charge much faster. You really want to be able to more or less fully charge in the 45 minutes breaks required by law.
It depends on the customer requirements. When they are in one shift operation they can charge with 22Kw/h or 50Kw/h with no problem. The nice part in this market they know exactly the requirements and have also route data.
I’m happy to see Actros being made electric. That means that everything will turn to electric power ⚡️
It's 330 kW regen. As long as you have some empty room on battery, it will never uses brakes.
There will be no charger stations on the moutains then.
You have to go up a mountain before you can regain anything coming down!! You don't get it all back again.
This lady knows the stuff!
Great Video Björn. Thanks to Corinna. Very knowledgable she seems.
Nice!
Interesting with something a little different!
U should go to Scania test range in Sweden.. There you can testdrive a full electric truck without having proper drivers license
Mercedes is on the move. When the Tesla semi finally starts production they might find the marked dominated by MB.
Honestyl there are so many electric trucks already (vovlo also) that I don't think Semi will be a success. Maybe in the US because it's US built
Fantastic development - exactly what the kiddies in inner cities need to resolve air quality- well done Mercedes.
before you dance check the price. Its a Mercedes price and mercedes reliability this truck will stay a project.
@@BigB29357 Mercedes trucks are way more reliable than their passenger cars.
I hope you can make a video with the BYD Busses
Can't wait to see the first E-Actros RVs from Vario Mobil!
I'm unsure those would be the ideal market given the amount of time an RV sits and the ecological impact of the batteries
So.. 2,5 hours to charge to 400 km. Swedish law allows 9 hour days with a 45 minute break in the middle. 8,25 hours of driving in a regular truck and 6,5 hours in an electric one. They will need some sort of automated battery switching stations if they want to keep up with the diesel efficiency. Plus less cargo since the battery and electronics weighs a bit more than the fuel tank and engine.
The major freighters will need crazy amounts of power to keep all those trucks running.
It won’t be an easy feat to switch from diesel to electricity.
Math stuffs (courtesy of the Swedish statistics bureau): Swedens lorrys drove 4 210 936 900 km in 2018. That is also the amount of kWh needed (if all the trucks has eActros efficiency). Dats a lot of power to dole out from charging locations
That is around 3% of the annual Swedish electricity use. Also they here used a regular charger I think. Eventually you'll get dedicated truck chargers, which will reduce charging times by a lot.
So consumption is around 100kW/100km?
Banana box.. ..er Banana pallet test. I mean, this likely the only car you have tested that will actually transport banana boxes. Either short cut and just check how many banana boxes go to one pallet, and then measure how many pallets fit. Or take the joke to the next level and actually deliver banana pallets with this to nearby shops :)
You saying "battery schtatus" to a German... 😆
Bjorn's been waiting for this moment
Björn you need to get a bus and truck licence 😍 would be really cool videos. Arctic circle test with truck 😀 Pretty simple to maintain only 1 day per year for certification.
It is very interesting. Beautiful clear description and explanation. I liked it.
That's quite good how the government gives them a weight exemption. Hopefully the USA can do that too with the Tesla Semi
In the EU, alternative powered trucks are allowed an additional 1 ton weight allowance. So for this 6x2 truck it allowed a total weight on 27 tons.
22 kw AC charging would be nice, just for backup, if something goes wrong.
It would take about 20 hours for a full charge. Is this practical?
@@Poebbelmann I said if something goes wrong, like DC charging station is broken, 22 kw AC helps out from that kind of situation, or if need to call service truck to help, they might have AC charging available, but not DC. Also over night AC 10 hour x 22 kw is 220 kwh. There is 43 kw AC, renault use it with older Zoe, maybe that would be one way to go.
Make Banana Box Test please
lol
1437 banana boxes
Shame, don't do that to Bjorn, that'll be like a gym workout. Just rely on Asian math.
@@and1111000 You did get the joke, did you...? :-))
9999 banana boxes of course.
Corinna is very knowledgeable, great video!
Great video, now stop by Volvo and Scania on the way home and then you can do a polar circle race with 3 trucks. 😎
In German and UK, old driving licenses came with all sorts of permissions for different things, non articulated trucks, tracked machinery, tractors of any size, buses up to 16 people, trailers - it is ridiculous what I am allowed to drive. Interestingly, most people in the UK don't realize their recent driving license does not permit them to use a trailer, but the old ones did.
So sorry to hear you could not get to drive this, there was a UK reviewer (Matt Watson) that could as his license was valid for this truck.
This video totally tickled my interest in the shtats of this truck. Great video.
5:46 A little concerned, though, about that wiring from the battery being exposed like that. I mean, if you hit some gravel or stones and those fragments hit the wires, it might cause a problem. There should be an extra case, maybe even a plastic one... that encases the battery and wires in a single unit.
yeah, very scary it is. hope, that they test that very good out, so nothing can happen. Like they did with these diesel boxes. So we all hope, that uhm batteries are not so dangerous. Let‘s see
Nice to see this project is a collab with dutch companies!
Very interesting video Bjørn! My dad is a truck driver I'll share that with him! Thanks a lot
I always wanted to know a bit more about EV trucks. Good job Bjorn
Nice to see some Dutch names on those trucks (Simon Loos and AH which is Albert Heyn) 300 and 400 km is certainly not bad in Europe.
imo it's too low. i have two friends driving 7-9h per day and they easily drive over 500 km per day, trucks should be hydrogen instead when they need the longer range. 300 km is like a city truck 😂 after some years it will be even worse due to battery degradation, trucks work after all way harder than cars and need to be 100% every single day so it's ready in the morning at 6.
@@_TrueDesire_ Well this has badges of dutch company. Whole Netherlands is something like 350km from top to bottom and even less east to west. Trucks are usually bought for routes in big companies and they really know how much range they need and when they need it. Having any extra range is basically waste of money when truck is used for business where range is enough with this kind of batteries.
what was the consumption ?
1kwh/km
So even that truck is using 400V technology.......so is 800V just an expensive gimmic? BTW: Corinna really knew her stuff, well done.
the church you can seet at 11:15 is my hometown, its also the town that you drive through towards the end of the video. you should definitely stat in the nice "Pfalz" for a while and enjoy some good wines.
It’s a shame you didn’t ask her to launch it 🤪 seems like a good effort from Daimler.
This is great! Hopefully higher voltages and faster charging on the horizon
what a kick ass project and a great video around it. It seems Mercedes just didn't know that an e-truck is impossible *lol* - so they've just made one.
Does the truck have a "What the heck is this thing?" inside?
How long does it take to charge and I'm guessing the truck doesn't need to creep up a mountain, the electric powertrain will allow some more speed. Or is creeping a safety thing?
That is why it is has 2 gears.
Dutch companies enabling innovation once again 😎🇳🇱🤘
Wow. Great developments. This shows yall are serious
Fun that you pointed out that the charging cable is not water-cooled. Are Tesla chargers Water-cooled?
V3 (250 kW) superchargers have a liquid cooled cable.
Yes, and Ionity chargers (Tritium 350 kW) are also water cooled.
Ideally the cable shouldn't need any kind of cooling, if it was big enough. But it is probably much cheaper to do it that way, of course a little lighter as well.
Super interesting. Corinna and you were great. THANK YOU.
Well. The range is properly two low since the driver need to be able to drive for maybe 12 hours a day. Spending 2 times 45 minutes break for food. On the other hand when thinking over again. If it is possible to drive 5 hours (75 km/h), eat lunch for 45 minutes (charging back from 5 to 80%, and then drive for 3½ hours, charge for 15-20 minutes and then drive 2-3 hours more we are getting close to a working day for a long distance truck driver I think.
*too low
Driving 12 hours a day is illegal in the EU+UK and for good reason it's unsafe. You are limited to 9 hours a day with a possible extension to 10 hours but no more than twice a week. (Drivers’ hours rules Regulation (EC)561/2006). Further it is no more than 56 hours a week or 90 hours over two weeks. On top of that you can't actually drive 9 hours straight there is requirements for breaks which limit the amount of time driving to 8 hours in a day. If electric trucks "enforce" these limits due to requirements to charge then that's a good thing IMHO.
Really fascinating video Bjorn. I love trucks so much and this looks like a really good first attempt by Mercedes. (Even though it's based on the fossil version)
This truck really need a 800v battery
I'm pretty sure it's only for these semi-prototypes. A lot of the infrastructure is based on 400 V batteries for now, because of passenger cars. When the infrastructure for larger vehicles (MCS?) gets deployed, I'm sure they will make higher voltage versions. Otherwise, they would need huge onboard converters to go from 400 to 800 or more to charge at current charging stations.
I wonder why they didn’t configure the battery packs are 2S2P instead of 1S4P.
Motors are 400v also, so for 800v need new motors also. Or make specifical mode with contactors to make battery mode 2s2p for just charging for 800v.
BTW how is ioniq 5 doing on older 500v CCS? Does it have dcdc unit like Taycan have? Or will ioniq 5 change battery mode to half voltage?
10:45 ABC
Always Be Careful
Iam sorry Björn but your Ouwhees are sooo funny and you are so nice and patient with Corinna as she explained all the emobility features you know by heart. Really nice and informative video and much more interesting than the Carwow which was with a bored salesman who had absolutely no clue compared to Corinna.
for trucks is better have an 800v system.
The retarder/intarder system comand in the electric truck is replaced by the electric motor regen. Just like an Hyundai Kona.
That was really amazing, Bjorn. Thanks for bringing us along on the ride!
They've probably gone full electric on the refrigerator unit for the cargo compartment. It would be interesting to know how much energy does it use, and how does it impact the range having it running.
Those units are normally dual power source on diesel trucks, having a dedicated diesel engines and an electric one for plugging in when the truck is parked.
FRIGOBLOCK cooling units have been fully electric for 20 years.
That was very awesome! Thanks Bjorn!
Marvelos!! She's very sharp. Seems like a good system. Do we know how this compares with the Tesla truck? Very Cool!
Little is known about Tesla Semi so far. Gives me great hope that Semi will have 500+km of range
The difference is that the e-Actros is an actual truck that is on the road, while the Tesla Semi doesn't exist yet and keeps getting delayed
The Semi is being tested on Mars, hence the delay.
Ok good video,how much should it cost?
That is the ultimate motor home base vehicle,love it. CHEERS Sheinz
I want to try one during a normal Norwegian winter. This would work in the bigger cities. You almost never drive more than 250km during a day of deliveries anyways. So it's all about the charging infrastructure
Yeah that is something that many people don't believe. That delivery trucks don't cover so big distances during one shift. Average speed is low and lots of time spent on loading and unloading.
@@Karjis Yes, that is the point. And having driven delivery trucks in different sizes for 5 years makes me believe that this truck is a good alternative. I never maxed out my payload. Most delivery trucks also are just one shift.
If I'd still been in trucking I would have wanted my boss to try this out.
But the weak point is charging infrastructure...
3:50 searching for the battery sticker :D
The truck licence C need to be "maintained" only if you drive for work. If the driving is empty or you move your own goods you dont need the extra classes to keep licence valid.
How refreshing to see e trucks 👍
what is interesting that the constant charging power is 160kw but the constant regen power is 350kw. In the Alps you have a few passes that go downhill for a very long time and I'd be curious what happens then.
Also sad that there's no on board charger so you're dependant on public charging infrastructure. An 11kw or better 22kw on board charger would make life so much easier for many companies to simply charge the trucks overnight or over sunday (truck ban on sunday in Germany) with existing iinfrastructure or via CEE even. DC charging can be very expensive and that might help to keep the cost down.
They should build a charger with two big rolls under the rear wheels, and rotate those to charge the truck on regen. 😂😂
These are perfect to take over the situations when fossil lorries are unefficient :D
Very interesting video. If you get chance to do more ones like this one I say go for it!
Did you test the head room and banana box test? :)
i like this kind of video. EV should spread out to trunk, van and more other vehicle.....
420 kWh don't tell me it was not on purpose
FYI. For the record. normal merc actros is 8.5 ton on empty weight. This eactros is 14.4 tons. Which is 6 ton extra weight.
And another statistic is the fuel tak on normal actros is 105 gallons/400littre. And the average consumption is 17.1 mpg at 20 ton. Which means that normal combustion truck carry extra 11.5 tons of payload. And can reach distance for over 1700miles in one go.
And this Eactros rated at 420kwh and total of 400km. Thats literally 1/7 total distance of the combustion counterpart. Not counting of charging time on lv3 supercharger. How much time do they need to transport one full container if this things is applied fully?
At what point of Diminishing return its going too far reaching into the absolute negative?
Goal with these is to cover routes appropriate to being electrified.
More range just means more routes can be covered, truck purchases aren't motivated by the same requirements as private vehicles because they usually are sold to fleets where they can be used optimally
8.5 ton sounds like a weight of empty shell without any structure. Sounds also a bit low for 3 axle truck. 12 in similar setup would be closer.
Very interesting, to my surprise. Thank you both!
After market opportunity.
Suction cup emergency wing mirrors. For when rear view camera system breaks down.
I am supriced that it was not equipped with 2 charging plugs to increase charging speed.
I presume it's meant to charge overnight? Maybe Bjorn can clarify.
Amazing! More of the truck stuff! And get yourself a Truck/Bus license for tests! :)
how much does each one cost
4:35 It has two gears so you can get the propper amount of... NewtonMeter ✋ kruk.
Finally we get to meet HELGA! ✊😂 (I cannot understand why you call her Corinna here though 🤔)
Seriously though, great content and great info from Corinna!
Was Björn scared to be alone with HELGA in the truck? What if she was hungry?
@3:00, these trucks have either 315kwh or 400kwh. But the new ESprinter has 75kwh. WTF is MB thinking.
Nice thanks for another great video
More truck stuff please 😃
I am literally in love with her english 😃😃😃
Thanks😂
awesome episode, Bjorn. well done! very interesting
So... what is the 0-100 acceleration?
It felt like less than 10 seconds which was bloody fast for a big truck. I have never felt acceleration like that in a truck before.
It's not allowed to go faster than 80km/h in Germany, and that only on the Autobahn. So there's a good chance that it's electronically limited to something a bit over 80.
Acceleration 0 - 100 km/h : ∞
@@w0ttheh3ll the 80 km/h max speed applies to at least the entire EEA, possible all of Europe.
@@MichaelEricMenk some countries in Europe has this 90km/h limit also. EU directive sets hard limit to 90km/h. I found that at least France, Belgium, Croatia and Estonia has this 90km/h limit but I am not 100% confident with this source, at least for Finland it had bullsh*t about having 60km/h limit for over 7.5t vehicles outside highways, that kind of limit does not exist, everything up to 76 tonnes has limit of 80km/h and limiter has to prevent exceeding 90km/h.
banana box test would take more time than the 1000 km challenge