Thank you. As vet, retired LEO, worked in schools after retiring from LE, I agree something is wrong in how "society" is treating gun violence. My kids and grandkids grew up safely handling firearms. I am at the end of my days, but worry so much about my grandkids.
I graduated school in 1980 from a small rural school in Oklahoma. I can guarantee you any given day you could visually see at least 10 guns on school property in their trucks. I can also recall a student bringing in his new 30-06 deer rifle to show our shop teacher. We thought nothing about it. As fundraisers we had skeet and turkey shoots ON SCHOOL GROUNDS with faculty participating. Can you tell me why we had 0 mass shootings? In 1979 I actually owned a Colt CAR-15 while in high school along with several 30 round magazines. Our school was not unique, other schools were the same way. Now my grandson cannot point a finger without getting in trouble for gun violence. What has changed? BTW- I know the answers to both questions but apparently most of America does not.
I fear for my grandkids and kids as well. God please bless them all and watch over them. I couldn't agree with you more than how you believe in what you're saying.
They dont think it's true or even care if its true. They use language to manipulate and control. Once you understand they are fundamentally different than you and they are truly evil you will stop worry about convincing them of your position and realize the only way to deal with them is a complete seperation from them, by whatever means.
Let’s not educate them about lever action rifles… PLEASE! I just got home from a long afternoon that included shooting a new Mayodan made Marlin 336 Classic in 30-30. Gun banners and confiscatory do *not* need to know how much more powerful a 30-30 is when compared to 5.56 NATO. Wonderful gun BTW.
Every aspect of this video, the rifles, the shooting, your thoughts were highly enjoyable, and the final serious minutes quite realistic and thoughtful. Thank you. Watching from Germany!
I recently picked up a Remington 742 in 30.06, my mom asked me 1 why I needed another gun and 2 what an AR-15 is. Long story short, through FaceTime I was able to show her the two cartridges and explain what little I know about ballistics. My favorite part was teaching her that AR stands for Armalite Rifle, not Assault Rifle.
I have a Remington 742 with an 18" barrel, chambered in .308 ..... It's my favorite deer rifle. It has never failed me, and I bought a couple 10rd mags just for a rainy day. Its a pain in the ass to do a complete tear down, because of all the roll pins in the bolt/firing pin assembly, but it's a flat shootin' gun and every deer I've taken with that gun drops immediately....I'll take a .308 over a 5.56 any day
@@danvalperga8929 lmao. Honestly I'm glad that she took the innovative to ask questions and humbled herself on her knowledge. I wish more people would take that approach especially with firearms.
From Mike It's amazing how what goes around comes around. The black rifle which i don't call an "AR" is now chambered in 350 legend and 400 legend. 351 and 401 self loading calibers are pretty much on parr from over a hundred years ago...great channel...thanks!!!
This is one of your best presentations. Love all of the history behind the very beautiful fire arms you showcase on your channel. Also love to see you stand up, stand out, and willing to give an articulate voice to things that need to be said and soberly considered.
I appreciate you pointing out that the AR15 has been available for over 60 years. My Paternal grandma is pretty anti-gun (Which is ironic since shes the one who got me into Winchesters!) a few years back her and I had a conversation about gun and gun control I mentioned that that she could have bought one when my Dad was a kid in the early 60s. She didnt believe me but when I managed to bring up an ad for Colt SP-1s she realized she was miss informed. It didnt really do much for her point of view over all but she did realize that maybe its not the specific guns and there are other things going on. Love the milk jug comparison. I'd love to see what 351 Win or 401 Win can do against modern ceramic body armor. Speaking of 351, a buddy of mine got one recently from someone and all of his brass cases were modified 7.62x39 brass. Makes me wonder if you could re barrel one for that cartridge
351 Winchester is made from 357 max brass, and can also be made from 5.56 brass. The 401 can be made from 7.62X39 brass. Neither can be barreled to any of the mentioned calibers because the action is too short on the Winchester rifles.
Here's the thing, you ban the guns and what are people hell bent on harming other people going to do? They're going to get creative and use their imagination, thats what! And let me tell you what, when malevolent people start imagining evil, you'd WISH they had just done a simple shooting. What happens when evil decides its easier to make bombs and flamethrowers than grab a rifle? Think it can't happen? It did in Germany in 1964, a man made a homemade flamethrower and killed a bunch of kids! Think a shooting is horrifying? This guy burned children to death alive!
Penetration of body armor is based on frontal area and velocity so probably no significant damage/ penetration. It's how the 5.7 x 28 pistol cartridge @ 28 grains penetrates type II body armor. Of course, bullet design plays into it also. Getting into things like the .50 BMG, it's total energy available and mass/momentum. They have the energy to break the plates and the momentum to continue. Armor vs ballistics is an interesting area of study.
Excellent. Ive been making the same point using my remington auto loading rifle or pre model 8 in .35 remington. It works flawlessly and has been doing so for 116 years. Even running it with 46 year old ammo. I usually shoot a couple sealed 5 gal buckets full of water with the .35 and the 556. The response i get is usually something like " i cant believe things like that have been around so long or that they still work." Its not new and they aren't going away.
I wish my .401looked as nice as yours! Mine is rather beat up and blue worn, but it still shoots great. Ammo is real hard to find, but I do make my own ammo from 7.62 by 39 brass or majorly modified 303 British brass. I’ve heard you can make them from 35 Remington but I haven’t tried that yet. Anyway, that’s a beautiful rifle and you are 100% correct on your thoughts about the situation in the world right now.
Thank you Sir! I have said the exact same thing. My Father's M1 is not on any list of banned weapons. Yet, it was called “The best battle implement ever devised.” by General George S. Patton. I do not think "gun control" is about guns, rather, I think it is about control.
You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the way we have raised the last couple of generations of children. Not all were raised wrong but enough were to create problems and we as a society refused to outlaw or stigmatize those we witnessed doing it.
@@SHOT_GUNNERI’d say boomers might have fouled up and raised some kids without teaching them to raise decent kids. Time for us millennials to pick up the slack and teach ‘‘em all decent values.
Absolutely on point. My wife and I did the best we could to actually raise a child and make him a productive member of society. We stayed together as a nuclear family. No drugs. The rod was not spared, although it was rare. Now he is a M.A.R.S.O.C. Marine. He's squared away and one of the best men that I know. I feel blessed, and I'm proud of him. I feel a lot of this is broken families and broken souls.
Great presentation Sir, thanks! I have a 1907 .351 WSL and love its simplicity. Had a 1805 .35 but loaned it out and it never came back. Kids today have no place to shoot and after seeing all their TV and movie heros saving the good people from the bad they need to have gun ranges near their homes where they can shoot under supervised conditions. Serious gun owners and collectors are the last people to commit crime because we don't want to lose our privileges. We were taught in 2nd or 3rd grade gov't class that the purpose of criminal law, the criminal code, was to proscribe the punishment for criminal acts or deeds not to prevent the crime! No law ever stopped a law-breaker from breaking a law.
Wanted a 1910 .401 since I was a teen. Owned several 1907 .351 caliber rifles one was in super nice shape should have kept it. No cracked foreend, either.
I make this comparison often. I believe the 1907 was the pinnacle of the Winchester Self Loading Rifles. The 351 is ballistically a 357 Maximum, and very effective on deer and bear, something no one should claim for the 5.56 round. These Winchesters features gave birth to the 30 Carbine, which was the gun that changed military minds enough for the 5.56 to be accepted. I would rather fight with the WInchester because I find ARs to be the most awkward guns I own, and as a hunter used to making my shots count, I am not impressed by magazine capacity. The Winchester ergonomics are excellent. The law enforcement use of these WInchesters is storied and impressive. As a retired prison guard I know I would have been very happy to have had the Winchester gun as my duty weapon.
The AR-15 can be had in larger calibers such as the 6x45, .277 Wolverine, 6.8 SPC, 6.5 Grendel, .300 Blackout, .350 Legend, .450 Bushmaster, .458 SOCOM and .50 Beowolf.
You know Mark my Grandfather carried a Winchester just like that in the same caliber as a deputy sheriff back in the day. I can remember him telling me how he shot into the engine block of a car driven by a criminal and killed the engine. Just because something is old doesn't mean that it's still not effective. Great video!
I watched till the end. You make good points.... Mass shooters are difficult or impossible to predict. By the way, what about pressure cooker control? Remember the two brothers that planted bombs at a marathon race? That's a beautiful Winchester you have. I'd much rather have that than an AR-15.
A big part of the problem is the breakdown of the family unit. The family is the basic building block of civilization. Without strong families, civilization is bound to fail.
You are correct. Having both parents working and/or having one parent out of the picture is a significant contributing factor. Also, pushing God out of schools and other places is another contributing factor.
As a fellow southern Oregonian I agree with ya 100 percent. I hope a solution can be found without us losing our rights. Time will tell, I hope my generation (the current ones coming to age) comes to understand the importance of the constitution.
I use my model 10 for deer hunting here in WI. every once in a while. When I acquired mine some years back, it was pretty beat up and missing some parts. It took me about a year to aquire the missing parts, and did a mild restoration on it. I say "mild restoration" because I didn't want to completely erase the "character marks" that it has from years of use. Mine was manufactured in 1915. I'm looking forward on seeing your self loader series!👍🇺🇲
I see a lot of guntubers, especially older gentleman like yourself who were teachers, coaches, or otherwise involved in our schools. Reid Henrichs, and Hickok45 to name a couple. That's what we need. More fathers at home and more real men in our educational system.
Enjoy your videos so much. I’m 72 years old I never in all my life would have thought that our country would go this way. Your right on when you said you believed that it was do to the way our children are raised today. My wife works in the school system and she tells about how they act. It’s terrible
Thank you so much for your thoughts at the end. That was a nice bonus and I'm looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts on the issue. From what it sounds like you are spot on on the cause of the issue
“Of course my new favorite gun is the last one I shot.” Haha! Yeah, I feel that. It’s not even political, though- these guns were market-available for YEARS, way over a century. Laws regarding the stuff has to be made with that context, but they never are.
Thanks for another video , spot on With the beautiful rifle and also the social commentary. Kids don’t seem to take any personal accountability for their actions any more. If they can blame someone else for everything they do wrong, then they never learn to do the right thing.
My dad had a Win 1910, made that first year (1910). ser # 11xx that he used as his 'deer gun' growing up in the UP of Michigan in the 1940s. IIRC, the entire family of WSLs were only produced until the mid 1930s or so, and most companies quit making ammunition for it by the 1960s. I still have a half box of Remington 200gr softpoints... Yes, you can buy ammo from one of the specialty custom shops, but even back 30 years ago it was almost $4/round! Mine's a wall-hanger now...
You hit the nail on the head , it's how children are being raised today ! I believe it is a breakdown in family structure and basic values , respect and discipline. Combine that with social media , news media making celebrities out of these mass shooters , modern day movies , violent video games , prescription drugs for everything.....the list goes on but it is not a gun issue .
I agree with you on most points 100%. But outlawing high capacity magazines are one of the few laws that can have a meaningful impact. Increasing the complexity of the reload is key to at least slowing down and complicating things for a shooter. And it only takes a very few seconds for people to save themselves or stop the shooter. Amazed by the punch of that .351. Had no idea. Looks like great fun!
Great rifles. I own Winchester Model 1905s in .32 WSL and .35 WSL and a Model 1907 in .351 WSL. I do not have a Model 1910. Mine are also standard models, no checkering. The Model 1910 is a hole in my collection. When the .350 Legend was introduced, my thoughts were "Hmmm, seems a lot like the .351 WSL". I am sure the .351 could easily be loaded to match the .350 Legend, but the blowback operated Model 1907 would eventually be damaged by the increased recoil of the additional 100-150 fps of the loading. BTW, the rod charging handle of the series of these rifles was a work-around to the Browning patent for the side charging handle which Remington held at the time. The rod charger and the reciprocating weight in the forend precluded the use of a tube magazine. I also own a Remington Model 81, the updated version of the Model 8 which dates to 1906. Semi-auto, box magazine fed autoloaders are nothing new. Thanks for spending all that time to teach kids!
I've got a few Remington model eights which are very similar in performance to that Winchester. I am very much an enthusiast of these old rifles. When you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left must be the answer. We have a broken culture because our American heritage, our culture, has been attacked with the intent to destroy it.
This video made me very sad for two reasons. 1st I owned a beautiful mod 10 in 351 auto loader that I had to sell,then number2 was a wildcat that I developed years later on a 30 carbine Ruger that I made into a 40 caliber using the 7.62 X 39 blown out to 40 cal using custom RCBS dies and launching a 200 gr XTP Hornady bullet pushing 2350 FPC Then due to my wife getting very sick I put it back to 762x39 and sold it to pay med bills. The only good thing is I still have the barrel and dies should I ever get a chance to do it again. My original thoughts for this was the old 401 autoloader and it turned out to be a stone cold pig and deer killer. Thanks for the memories.
C&Rsenal have a great video on this 1910 and the 1907?including accounts of their use in air to air dogfights. Definitely worth checking out if you like these old guns.
The algorithm decided I might like your channel, and I’ll be dipped if it didn’t do a good job! This is the first video of yours that I’ve seen. I was impressed. You gave a fun review of an interesting old rifle, and closed with some great commentary. I look forward to looking through your other videos
Very interesting comparison. I like the more conventional and less "tactical" looks of the Winchester. I also feel that its charging method is easier to use, if a bit unusual.
As usual, a very entertaining and informative video. Appreciate your videos as well as the message at the end. Appreciate you!!. Keep up the good work.
New sub your opinion was the best part of the video. Thank you for helping mold those minds I graduated in 2001 and you reminded me of my favorite teachers.
You speak plain good sense ! Of course politicians don’t deal in good sense but knee jerk reactions to gain kudos. Great video, great comparison. Thanks.
8:25 As a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment, I firmly believe it encompasses the right to own fully automatic arms, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, and 40mm grenade launchers. These firearms are vital for self-defense, personal safety, and preserving individual freedoms.
Thank you for sharing your joy of shooting old, classic rifles. I have even more appreciation of your service as a teacher and coach. Based on what I’ve seen in this medium, I am certain that you were a positive inspiration to your students in both roles.
If memory serves the National Guard also ordered the model 1907 for home guard use so they could transfer the more standard rifles to combat roles. I also find it amusing that Winchester came full circle updating the .351 and .401 bringing them back with .350 Legend and .400 Legend
I was a police officer and I believe that one of the possible motives is people lashing out in anger. People need to be taught at a young age that they need to control their anger. An inanimate object cannot attack a person. I have seen a person beaten beyond recognition with a casserole dish. The object is not the problem, the problem is the person and there is not a simple solution. Most criminals that I have had contact with had never considered the law; which leads me to believe that passing more laws is not going to have any affect on the situation.
Thank you for showing that beautiful Winchester model 1910 Self-Loader. That beautiful walnut stock and fore grip certainly catches the eye! I began a 34 year career in law enforcement when I came home from Viet Nam 57 years ago and had occasion to be in the regional FBI arms locker, from time to time. Racked next to their 1928 Thompson’s (complete with drum mags, pistol grips and Cutt’s Compensators) were Winchester model 1907’s in .351, with 10 round mags. None of those classic weapons were used much but their armorer lovingly maintained them and was not adverse to showing them off. The much more mundane M16A2’s were used for serious business purposes. Especially, thank you for your closing thoughts. I am near my Trails End and it deeply saddens me how our country has spiraled down.
Mark, as always another great video, great history lesson and an honest subject of awareness. How children have been raised the past decades is in a major decline, lack of education, discipline are at the forefront. in 1984 former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov said in an interview that it takes about 20 years or so to slowly indoctrinate a generation of people with ideological subversion (Brainwashing) and I believe what we have witnessed the past 6 to 20 years is exactly that.
@@monotech20.14 Guarantee the guy above loves it when HIS party is doing the indoctrinating 😂 Homeboy probably wants to ban books about sharing or some shit because that’s “cOmmUniSm” and replace all teachers with PragerU fash propaganda
The old Winchester Self-Loading Rifles are really good looking, and very simple and rugged in design and function. I've had the opportunity to shoot both an early 1905 in .32WSL, and a 1907 in .351WSL. The 1905 was very enjoyable to shoot ( with my cast bullet handloads ), both reliable and accurate. "Mass Shootings"... Well, we really need to work on de-stigmatizing mental health care. It's OK to ask for help. We need to keep our friends and loved-ones close, and be solicitous of their well-being. Thanks!
The AR series is truly a wonderful platform. In AR-15 I have it in 5.45, 5.56, 6.5 Grendel, 350 legend, 450 bushmaster and 458 socom. In AR10 in 308 and 6.5 creedmoor. These calibers cover any animal I want to hunt in North America.
Thank you. As vet, retired LEO, worked in schools after retiring from LE, I agree something is wrong in how "society" is treating gun violence. My kids and grandkids grew up safely handling firearms. I am at the end of my days, but worry so much about my grandkids.
Rather than worry, go out and teach them and their peers the way that you grew to be responsible. This country is in desperate need of mentors.
I graduated school in 1980 from a small rural school in Oklahoma. I can guarantee you any given day you could visually see at least 10 guns on school property in their trucks. I can also recall a student bringing in his new 30-06 deer rifle to show our shop teacher. We thought nothing about it. As fundraisers we had skeet and turkey shoots ON SCHOOL GROUNDS with faculty participating. Can you tell me why we had 0 mass shootings? In 1979 I actually owned a Colt CAR-15 while in high school along with several 30 round magazines. Our school was not unique, other schools were the same way. Now my grandson cannot point a finger without getting in trouble for gun violence. What has changed? BTW- I know the answers to both questions but apparently most of America does not.
personally i think a big part of societies "gun violence" problem is the lack of mental institutions and over abundance of "meds"
if you train them right. No worries
I fear for my grandkids and kids as well. God please bless them all and watch over them. I couldn't agree with you more than how you believe in what you're saying.
Every time the gun ignorant politicians start talking about how super powerful the AR 15 is they need to be made watch this video.
They aren't ignorant, they are lying
They'd just ban these if they did lol
They dont think it's true or even care if its true. They use language to manipulate and control. Once you understand they are fundamentally different than you and they are truly evil you will stop worry about convincing them of your position and realize the only way to deal with them is a complete seperation from them, by whatever means.
Let them revel in their lies and ignorance. If they watch this they will start banning these, lever actions and muzzle loaders soon,
Let’s not educate them about lever action rifles… PLEASE! I just got home from a long afternoon that included shooting a new Mayodan made Marlin 336 Classic in 30-30. Gun banners and confiscatory do *not* need to know how much more powerful a 30-30 is when compared to 5.56 NATO. Wonderful gun BTW.
Just from the way this man presents things and speaks leads me to believe he was a stellar teacher and coach.I respect him a lot. Excellent videos.
Every aspect of this video, the rifles, the shooting, your thoughts were highly enjoyable, and the final serious minutes quite realistic and thoughtful. Thank you. Watching from Germany!
I recently picked up a Remington 742 in 30.06, my mom asked me 1 why I needed another gun and 2 what an AR-15 is. Long story short, through FaceTime I was able to show her the two cartridges and explain what little I know about ballistics. My favorite part was teaching her that AR stands for Armalite Rifle, not Assault Rifle.
I have a Remington 742 with an 18" barrel, chambered in .308 ..... It's my favorite deer rifle. It has never failed me, and I bought a couple 10rd mags just for a rainy day. Its a pain in the ass to do a complete tear down, because of all the roll pins in the bolt/firing pin assembly, but it's a flat shootin' gun and every deer I've taken with that gun drops immediately....I'll take a .308 over a 5.56 any day
@@jackstraw7413well that’s because 5.56 ain’t for hunting deer
AR just stands for Armalight.
Ask your mom why she needs more than a few pairs of shoe's
@@danvalperga8929 lmao. Honestly I'm glad that she took the innovative to ask questions and humbled herself on her knowledge. I wish more people would take that approach especially with firearms.
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It's amazing how what goes around comes around. The black rifle which i don't call an "AR" is now chambered in 350 legend and 400 legend. 351 and 401 self loading calibers are pretty much on parr from over a hundred years ago...great channel...thanks!!!
This is one of your best presentations. Love all of the history behind the very beautiful fire arms you showcase on your channel. Also love to see you stand up, stand out, and willing to give an articulate voice to things that need to be said and soberly considered.
What a beautiful rifle. Caliber reminds me of my new caliber for my ar15 the 450 bushmaster. You just have to love an old school wood and metal gun.
Shining example for the young folk such as myself.
I appreciate you pointing out that the AR15 has been available for over 60 years. My Paternal grandma is pretty anti-gun (Which is ironic since shes the one who got me into Winchesters!) a few years back her and I had a conversation about gun and gun control I mentioned that that she could have bought one when my Dad was a kid in the early 60s. She didnt believe me but when I managed to bring up an ad for Colt SP-1s she realized she was miss informed. It didnt really do much for her point of view over all but she did realize that maybe its not the specific guns and there are other things going on. Love the milk jug comparison. I'd love to see what 351 Win or 401 Win can do against modern ceramic body armor. Speaking of 351, a buddy of mine got one recently from someone and all of his brass cases were modified 7.62x39 brass. Makes me wonder if you could re barrel one for that cartridge
351 Winchester is made from 357 max brass, and can also be made from 5.56 brass. The 401 can be made from 7.62X39 brass. Neither can be barreled to any of the mentioned calibers because the action is too short on the Winchester rifles.
@@PaulA-rv4ic Huh, weird maybe he had a 401 and a 351. All the cases were x39. Guy must have gotten them mixed up when he sold them.
They have been around for 60 years but they haven't been affordable but for 15 years
Here's the thing, you ban the guns and what are people hell bent on harming other people going to do? They're going to get creative and use their imagination, thats what! And let me tell you what, when malevolent people start imagining evil, you'd WISH they had just done a simple shooting. What happens when evil decides its easier to make bombs and flamethrowers than grab a rifle? Think it can't happen? It did in Germany in 1964, a man made a homemade flamethrower and killed a bunch of kids! Think a shooting is horrifying? This guy burned children to death alive!
Penetration of body armor is based on frontal area and velocity so probably no significant damage/ penetration. It's how the 5.7 x 28 pistol cartridge @ 28 grains penetrates type II body armor. Of course, bullet design plays into it also.
Getting into things like the .50 BMG, it's total energy available and mass/momentum. They have the energy to break the plates and the momentum to continue.
Armor vs ballistics is an interesting area of study.
Excellent. Ive been making the same point using my remington auto loading rifle or pre model 8 in .35 remington. It works flawlessly and has been doing so for 116 years. Even running it with 46 year old ammo. I usually shoot a couple sealed 5 gal buckets full of water with the .35 and the 556. The response i get is usually something like " i cant believe things like that have been around so long or that they still work." Its not new and they aren't going away.
I have a pre model 8 in 30 remington and a 1907 in 351. Badass guns for the day.
I wish my .401looked as nice as yours! Mine is rather beat up and blue worn, but it still shoots great. Ammo is real hard to find, but I do make my own ammo from 7.62 by 39 brass or majorly modified 303 British brass. I’ve heard you can make them from 35 Remington but I haven’t tried that yet.
Anyway, that’s a beautiful rifle and you are 100% correct on your thoughts about the situation in the world right now.
Thank you Sir! I have said the exact same thing. My Father's M1 is not on any list of banned weapons. Yet, it was called “The best battle implement ever devised.” by General George S. Patton. I do not think "gun control" is about guns, rather, I think it is about control.
You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the way we have raised the last couple of generations of children. Not all were raised wrong but enough were to create problems and we as a society refused to outlaw or stigmatize those we witnessed doing it.
Who was raising them wrong? Boomers.
Yes he did. Words of wisdom here.
@@zzmann8460a boomer would be a bit too old to raise a current 16yr old or the like. Anyone under 45 yrs old currently I’d say.
@@SHOT_GUNNERI’d say boomers might have fouled up and raised some kids without teaching them to raise decent kids. Time for us millennials to pick up the slack and teach ‘‘em all decent values.
@@SHOT_GUNNER he said last couple of generations, can you read? Boomers are the worst generation in American history.
Absolutely on point. My wife and I did the best we could to actually raise a child and make him a productive member of society. We stayed together as a nuclear family. No drugs. The rod was not spared, although it was rare. Now he is a M.A.R.S.O.C. Marine. He's squared away and one of the best men that I know. I feel blessed, and I'm proud of him. I feel a lot of this is broken families and broken souls.
Great presentation Sir, thanks! I have a 1907 .351 WSL and love its simplicity. Had a 1805 .35 but loaned it out and it never came back.
Kids today have no place to shoot and after seeing all their TV and movie heros saving the good people from the bad they need to have gun ranges near their homes where they can shoot under supervised conditions. Serious gun owners and collectors are the last people to commit crime because we don't want to lose our privileges.
We were taught in 2nd or 3rd grade gov't class that the purpose of criminal law, the criminal code, was to proscribe the punishment for criminal acts or deeds not to prevent the crime! No law ever stopped a law-breaker from breaking a law.
You speak for a lot of us fellow gun owners. great video mark keep them coming.
I enjoyed and appreciated the entire episode. Straight and truthful talk is always relevant and necessary. It is time to get into it... now.
Wanted a 1910 .401 since I was a teen. Owned several 1907 .351 caliber rifles one was in super nice shape should have kept it. No cracked foreend, either.
I have the Winchester in 35 Winchester Self Loading, and it is awesome!!! 😊😊😊
I make this comparison often. I believe the 1907 was the pinnacle of the Winchester Self Loading Rifles. The 351 is ballistically a 357 Maximum, and very effective on deer and bear, something no one should claim for the 5.56 round. These Winchesters features gave birth to the 30 Carbine, which was the gun that changed military minds enough for the 5.56 to be accepted. I would rather fight with the WInchester because I find ARs to be the most awkward guns I own, and as a hunter used to making my shots count, I am not impressed by magazine capacity. The Winchester ergonomics are excellent. The law enforcement use of these WInchesters is storied and impressive. As a retired prison guard I know I would have been very happy to have had the Winchester gun as my duty weapon.
The AR-15 can be had in larger calibers such as the 6x45, .277 Wolverine, 6.8 SPC, 6.5 Grendel, .300 Blackout, .350 Legend, .450 Bushmaster, .458 SOCOM and .50 Beowolf.
Never tried it on bear, but 5.56 is very effective on deer. It's my favorite caliber for them.
You know Mark my Grandfather carried a Winchester just like that in the same caliber as a deputy sheriff back in the day. I can remember him telling me how he shot into the engine block of a car driven by a criminal and killed the engine.
Just because something is old doesn't mean that it's still not effective. Great video!
I watched till the end. You make good points.... Mass shooters are difficult or impossible to predict. By the way, what about pressure cooker control? Remember the two brothers that planted bombs at a marathon race?
That's a beautiful Winchester you have. I'd much rather have that than an AR-15.
A big part of the problem is the breakdown of the family unit. The family is the basic building block of civilization. Without strong families, civilization is bound to fail.
You are correct. Having both parents working and/or having one parent out of the picture is a significant contributing factor. Also, pushing God out of schools and other places is another contributing factor.
@@jeff7.629God lets it happen.
@@djshumoomoo4075 because he has given us free will.
As a fellow southern Oregonian I agree with ya 100 percent. I hope a solution can be found without us losing our rights. Time will tell, I hope my generation (the current ones coming to age) comes to understand the importance of the constitution.
I own my fathers Winchester 1907 in .351, he was a county sheriff in West Texas.
Ammo is nearly impossible to find!
Buffalo Arms has it in stock.
Looks like those winchester self loading cartridges were ahead of their time.
I use my model 10 for deer hunting here in WI. every once in a while. When I acquired mine some years back, it was pretty beat up and missing some parts. It took me about a year to aquire the missing parts, and did a mild restoration on it. I say "mild restoration" because I didn't want to completely erase the "character marks" that it has from years of use. Mine was manufactured in 1915.
I'm looking forward on seeing your self loader series!👍🇺🇲
Your talk at the end was heart felt and powerful. Thank you for expressing yourself.
I see a lot of guntubers, especially older gentleman like yourself who were teachers, coaches, or otherwise involved in our schools. Reid Henrichs, and Hickok45 to name a couple. That's what we need. More fathers at home and more real men in our educational system.
Always wanted to see a 401 in action.
Your editorial likely reflects a great many of similar view. Including me.
That old Winchester is awesome! What a difference those larger slugs made on the milk jugs.
Enjoy your videos so much. I’m 72 years old I never in all my life would have thought that our country would go this way. Your right on when you said you believed that it was do to the way our children are raised today. My wife works in the school system and she tells about how they act. It’s terrible
We (The Brassfetcher and myself) made a video shooting the .351slr into ballistic gel. It's on yt and is pretty impressive.
That Winchester is absolutely beautiful. I like AR’s and AK’s, but I love walnut and blued steel. Exceptional!
I pray 100 years from now they will be able to do the same video with the AR vs the modern version for them.
Thank you so much for your thoughts at the end. That was a nice bonus and I'm looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts on the issue. From what it sounds like you are spot on on the cause of the issue
So glad I found your channel, greetings from Idaho
I have a Winchester Model 100 in 308. Beautiful gun. Love the old wooden rifles.
Ice picked, or sledge hammered? The choice is yours. And as always...thanks for the share!!
Never apologize for stating facts! I love your channel and I look forward to your next upload
Absolutely excellent video, and perfectly true commentary.
You make great videos.
Absolutely gorgeous wood on the Winchester!
“Of course my new favorite gun is the last one I shot.” Haha! Yeah, I feel that.
It’s not even political, though- these guns were market-available for YEARS, way over a century. Laws regarding the stuff has to be made with that context, but they never are.
Thanks for another video , spot on With the beautiful rifle and also the social commentary. Kids don’t seem to take any personal accountability for their actions any more. If they can blame someone else for everything they do wrong, then they never learn to do the right thing.
You're 100% correct in your final thoughts for today's episode, I'm just glade I live where these debates have not come to the table at all
That milk jug shoot surprised me, too, but that big old slug sure made an impression!
That Winchester is just a thing of beauty to look at.
My dad had a Win 1910, made that first year (1910). ser # 11xx that he used as his 'deer gun' growing up in the UP of Michigan in the 1940s. IIRC, the entire family of WSLs were only produced until the mid 1930s or so, and most companies quit making ammunition for it by the 1960s. I still have a half box of Remington 200gr softpoints... Yes, you can buy ammo from one of the specialty custom shops, but even back 30 years ago it was almost $4/round! Mine's a wall-hanger now...
You hit the nail on the head , it's how children are being raised today !
I believe it is a breakdown in family structure and basic values , respect and discipline. Combine that with social media , news media making celebrities out of these mass shooters , modern day movies , violent video games , prescription drugs for everything.....the
list goes on but it is not a gun issue .
I was lucky enough to have teachers like you! Great video!
Your views on shootings are spot on!
I agree with you on most points 100%. But outlawing high capacity magazines are one of the few laws that can have a meaningful impact. Increasing the complexity of the reload is key to at least slowing down and complicating things for a shooter. And it only takes a very few seconds for people to save themselves or stop the shooter.
Amazed by the punch of that .351. Had no idea. Looks like great fun!
I wasn't a subscriber until I listened to yer talk afterwards,Thank-you,Sir!
Agreed. Keep up the good work...
7:03 I honestly did not expect that level of difference!
The funny thing is that even the AR platform is over 70 years old now :)
Great video as usual, and I appreciate the well-considered remarks at the end.
You were having fun shooting and I was having fun listening and watching.
Great rifles. I own Winchester Model 1905s in .32 WSL and .35 WSL and a Model 1907 in .351 WSL. I do not have a Model 1910. Mine are also standard models, no checkering. The Model 1910 is a hole in my collection.
When the .350 Legend was introduced, my thoughts were "Hmmm, seems a lot like the .351 WSL". I am sure the .351 could easily be loaded to match the .350 Legend, but the blowback operated Model 1907 would eventually be damaged by the increased recoil of the additional 100-150 fps of the loading.
BTW, the rod charging handle of the series of these rifles was a work-around to the Browning patent for the side charging handle which Remington held at the time. The rod charger and the reciprocating weight in the forend precluded the use of a tube magazine.
I also own a Remington Model 81, the updated version of the Model 8 which dates to 1906. Semi-auto, box magazine fed autoloaders are nothing new.
Thanks for spending all that time to teach kids!
Nice, I completed my collection of Winchester SLR's with the acquisition of the model 63. Can't wait to the next video starring all of your collection
Maybe you need to use that gorgeous Winchester SL for deer season this year?
That 401 is a thumper!
Great video. No school like the old school. God bless.
Thanks. Nice reminder. And on 2A I agree with your point of view and experience. "Thinking deeper" ain't what social media does these days...
Love my Win Woodsmaster 742 (30.06) ...it's never let me down
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I really enjoyed the jug test! And that beautiful old Winchester. I also stayed to the end of the video. You just picked up another subscriber.
I've got a few Remington model eights which are very similar in performance to that Winchester. I am very much an enthusiast of these old rifles. When you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left must be the answer. We have a broken culture because our American heritage, our culture, has been attacked with the intent to destroy it.
Well demonstrated and well said. Thank you
Blowed my mind when you said the velocity of that 401
This video made me very sad for two reasons. 1st I owned a beautiful mod 10 in 351 auto loader that I had to sell,then number2 was a wildcat that I developed years later on a 30 carbine Ruger that I made into a 40 caliber using the 7.62 X 39 blown out to 40 cal using custom RCBS dies and launching a 200 gr XTP Hornady bullet pushing 2350 FPC Then due to my wife getting very sick I put it back to 762x39 and sold it to pay med bills. The only good thing is I still have the barrel and dies should I ever get a chance to do it again. My original thoughts for this was the old 401 autoloader and it turned out to be a stone cold pig and deer killer. Thanks for the memories.
"My new favorite gun is pretty much, the last one i shot."
Truer words are seldom shared.
Great comparison of rifles and a great point of view on particle problems we are having in this day and age.
C&Rsenal have a great video on this 1910 and the 1907?including accounts of their use in air to air dogfights. Definitely worth checking out if you like these old guns.
The algorithm decided I might like your channel, and I’ll be dipped if it didn’t do a good job! This is the first video of yours that I’ve seen. I was impressed. You gave a fun review of an interesting old rifle, and closed with some great commentary. I look forward to looking through your other videos
I recently bought a winchester m1907 sl. Absolutely beautiful rifle and it shoots so well.
Cool Rifle, we just had one in the shop the other day. It was awesome to see in person.
Very interesting comparison. I like the more conventional and less "tactical" looks of the Winchester. I also feel that its charging method is easier to use, if a bit unusual.
Great job on the entire video. I especially enjoyed your comments at the end of the video. Thanks!
As usual, a very entertaining and informative video. Appreciate your videos as well as the message at the end. Appreciate you!!. Keep up the good work.
Excellent video! Keep up the good work, a lot of us appreciate it.
Thank you very much!
I’m glad I stayed till the end, thank you! And I agree about that beautiful Winchester!
excellent video, and very well presented arguments! good chootin as well!
Love that Winchester you have there. Very beautiful rifle.
I was surprised by the Winchester ballistics too, what a lovely handy rifle. Someone has really looked after it too.
Great video and message.
I enjoyed the entire episode! You offered some very good food for thought
I would absolutely love to have an old Winchester like that!!!!!! Amazing!!!! I will be keeping a lookout.
New sub your opinion was the best part of the video. Thank you for helping mold those minds I graduated in 2001 and you reminded me of my favorite teachers.
Welcome aboard!
Very fun comparison and great reflection at the end, I totally agree with you
You speak plain good sense !
Of course politicians don’t deal in good sense but knee jerk reactions to gain kudos.
Great video, great comparison.
Thanks.
A Henry rifle is no joke as well. Both platforms in the video are Excellent tools, that said.
Appreciate you sharing your thoughts in addition to great rifles which make me want to shoot older guns.
Outstanding comparison!
8:25 As a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment, I firmly believe it encompasses the right to own fully automatic arms, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, and 40mm grenade launchers. These firearms are vital for self-defense, personal safety, and preserving individual freedoms.
Thank you for sharing your joy of shooting old, classic rifles.
I have even more appreciation of your service as a teacher and coach. Based on what I’ve seen in this medium, I am certain that you were a positive inspiration to your students in both roles.
If memory serves the National Guard also ordered the model 1907 for home guard use so they could transfer the more standard rifles to combat roles. I also find it amusing that Winchester came full circle updating the .351 and .401 bringing them back with .350 Legend and .400 Legend
I was a police officer and I believe that one of the possible motives is people lashing out in anger. People need to be taught at a young age that they need to control their anger. An inanimate object cannot attack a person. I have seen a person beaten beyond recognition with a casserole dish. The object is not the problem, the problem is the person and there is not a simple solution. Most criminals that I have had contact with had never considered the law; which leads me to believe that passing more laws is not going to have any affect on the situation.
Thank you for showing that beautiful Winchester model 1910 Self-Loader. That beautiful walnut stock and fore grip certainly catches the eye! I began a 34 year career in law enforcement when I came home from Viet Nam 57 years ago and had occasion to be in the regional FBI arms locker, from time to time. Racked next to their 1928 Thompson’s (complete with drum mags, pistol grips and Cutt’s Compensators) were Winchester model 1907’s in .351, with 10 round mags. None of those classic weapons were used much but their armorer lovingly maintained them and was not adverse to showing them off. The much more mundane M16A2’s were used for serious business purposes.
Especially, thank you for your closing thoughts. I am near my Trails End and it deeply saddens me how our country has spiraled down.
Mark, as always another great video, great history lesson and an honest subject of awareness. How children have been raised the past decades is in a major decline, lack of education, discipline are at the forefront. in 1984 former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov said in an interview that it takes about 20 years or so to slowly indoctrinate a generation of people with ideological subversion (Brainwashing) and I believe what we have witnessed the past 6 to 20 years is exactly that.
Sounds like the Demirats party. 🤬
YEah ok. Rubes said the same thing in the 50s 60s about "commies". Get a life.
@@monotech20.14 Guarantee the guy above loves it when HIS party is doing the indoctrinating 😂
Homeboy probably wants to ban books about sharing or some shit because that’s “cOmmUniSm” and replace all teachers with PragerU fash propaganda
The old Winchester Self-Loading Rifles are really good looking, and very simple and rugged in design and function. I've had the opportunity to shoot both an early 1905 in .32WSL, and a 1907 in .351WSL. The 1905 was very enjoyable to shoot ( with my cast bullet handloads ), both reliable and accurate. "Mass Shootings"... Well, we really need to work on de-stigmatizing mental health care. It's OK to ask for help. We need to keep our friends and loved-ones close, and be solicitous of their well-being. Thanks!
WOW! Great video! I am behind you. 100% I have around the block a few times myself. Thanks
The AR series is truly a wonderful platform. In AR-15 I have it in 5.45, 5.56, 6.5 Grendel, 350 legend, 450 bushmaster and 458 socom. In AR10 in 308 and 6.5 creedmoor. These calibers cover any animal I want to hunt in North America.