Pastor Hans Fiene - The Use of Snark in Lutheran Confession
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Session 4: Pr. Hans Fiene, "The Use of Snark in Lutheran Confession", at the Brothers of John the Steadfast Conference in Naperville, February 20-21, 2015.
As someone with a chronic temptation to be inappropriately snarky, thank you for this guidance.
*I have the same issue. Sarcasm (never mean) served me well all throughout my professional life. How, nobody has a sense of humor anymore!*
Yeah Hans only acts snarky when peolle don't talk back... He blocked me because I make him uncomfortable with my Lutheran theology... don't believe me?
ask him...
vii vii ix ii ii v iv vi ix ix. thats him
v vii v ix ix ix i iii viii v. that's me.
v i ii v viii v ix vi iii ix. thats wolf if you want to cross reference.
@@CarolusInciusEtScoti I don’t get what you’re saying here? Can you explain wym?
@@CarolusInciusEtScoti are you trying to communicate time in the video? Your “Lutheran faith” has you acting as a Baptist pastor advocating for dedication of babies…. Maybe you aren’t a Lutheran?
Ayy! It's Lutheran Satire!
Thanks Pastor Hans Fiene for introducing Snark”!! Theological punches, mouth pieces and “snark” were ways of Jesus, the Apostle Paul and Martin Luther. Your comment at 23:30, "Lay people who have the vocation politically, get-in- the-way of the Gospel" exposed many personal disasters. Definition: "When to wit and when to wait? The use of 'Snark' ? 3:50 mark. "When Heterodoxy hit home" preamble. Like many other confessional believers, 'Snark' has been in an 'open' and stealth battle. I'm glad the Holy Spirit led me to this group pastors. Gilbert Alphin, Kure Beach,
I miss Donnal & Connal. Please make them again
Go on Patrick!
Love his videos!
Not so fast, preacher man!
Long before you silly Lutherans were using snark, MY followers were being snarky to people who were boring, unlike Horus
One of the "spiritual works of mercy" Catholics (including my spouse and me) are called to engage in is to "instruct the ignorant." My spouse blogs at The American Catholic, and occasionally uses satire there to make a point. There are plenty of comments from non-Catholics as well as Catholics on the blog posts at The American Catholic -- but my spouse and his fellow bloggers at that site do try to distinguish between honest questions/dialogue and trolls when responding to those comments.My spouse and I both love your Lutheran Satire videos, and find that they often provide clearer explanations of Catholic doctrine than many a video from ostensibly Catholic sources!
+DOSBoxMom shoulder to shoulder we go forward against the enemy...Peace.
DOSBoxMom Dosbox! :D
Jag forstaar inte/Don't understand; were you attempting to make a point?
Is it a requirement that all Lutheran pastors grow goatees?
Calvinists under 40 seem to now require beards.
Ours has beard and no mustache, and long hair in a braid.
Come to the even Brighter side, Rev Fiene ..Pope Frank can only be with us so long.
It has been four years since you promised (well, insinuated, at least), and he is still around and not obviously dying. If you don’t like Hippy Pope that much, maybe YOU are on the wrong side.
@@davidweihe6052 Pope Francis is the legitimate Pope. He is also a BAD Pope. No contradiction. Since nothing he has said or written doesn't remotely approach ex cathedra, there is nothing a future successor couldn't overturn day one of his reign.
Paz vobiscum.
Wait, what is the name of their town in Illinois? I have to make a pilgrimage now. This man is our patron.
Don't neglect to check with Pastor Feine's calendar, I did that once and his father was filling in that weekend. It was great to hear his father who is also a true defender of the faith.
Pastor Fiene (I generally love Lutheran Satire) Starts out with infant baptism, favoring Roman Catholic infant baptism, saying a Baptist baby dedication is "invented" please give me chapter and verse of an example of infant baptism in the early church. Lutherans, what happened to faith alone, how can parents furnish faith for an infant's salvation?
In the Bible whole households are getting baptised, what includes children or infants. Also Baptism is not a work at all. The sacraments are gifts from God so it doesn't contrast faith alone.
Someone who can explain it better than me:
Infant Baptism: ruclips.net/video/EJYh-A6xbGI/видео.html
Baptism saves: ruclips.net/video/9yN2plB-Bb8/видео.html
Craig Ellis I forgot that the great commission of Matthew 28 says “Go therefore and make disciples of all the (adults of the) nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,”
*Argument from ancient Roman demography and Scripture for infant baptism:*
_Premise 1:_ The scriptures say the Apostles *baptized* no less than 5 Roman Empire *households* and a crowd of 3000 men, women, and specifically *"children."* Peter excludes no age range with this word.
_Premise 2:_ Roman Empire *households* had 6-9 *children* per woman, and nearly always had babies in the house. Crowds of families include children and babies.
_Conclusion:_ The Apostles *baptized small children.*
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Roman_Empire
1. The crowd of 3000 men, women, and children. (Acts 2)
2. Cornelius' Household (Acts 10)
3. Lydia's Household (Acts 16)
4. The Philippian Jailer's Household (Acts 16)
5. Crispus’ Household (Acts 18)
6. Stephanas’ Household (1 Corinthians 1)
*Argument from ancient geopolitics and Scripture for infant baptism:*
_Premise 1:_ Every single region and language where one or more Apostles set foot practices infant baptism.
_Premise 2:_ Some of these regional churches had almost no contact at all with one another during the lifetimes of the Apostles, or for centuries later. (e.g. Between Roman Emp., Persian Emp., India)
_Conclusion:_ These regions did not each independently invent infant baptism. All learned the practice from the Apostles, who baptized regional households.
Origen noted that all of the far flung geographic churches in the entire Christian world baptized infants. Today these ancient regional churches that practise infant baptism include the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Armenian Apostolic Church, Assyrian Church of the East. Each of these churches were home and place of death to one or more Apostles. Several of these regional churches had almost no contact with each other at all, especially the Persian Empire churches with the Roman Empire churches. It's unlikely that each geographical region, speaking it's own languages, using it's own forms of worship, listening to it's own preachers, and only rarely interacting with other groups each invented infant baptism independently. Rather, they all learned infant baptism from the example of the Apostles who baptized entire households.
Children were not counted as adult family members...
Tell them to stop their sheepish hypocrisy....
I thought the section on examples was a bit long. I don't think it was necessary to cite examples of both snarky and gentle interactions with people in and out of the "ring" from Elijah, Jesus, Paul, and Luther in order to show that there is a right and wrong time to use "snarky" comments against someone in the wrong, especially at the expense of more elaborations on the practical applications of the principles in the context of Internet posts (ala Lutheran Satire) and other media. But overall I'm glad that he gave this talk and that it was shared here. A biblical defense of sarcasm is an interesting topic and part of a broader discussion on the use of humor and wit in theological discourse. On a different track, I thought the implication that 1 Corinthians deals with the church problems more gently than 2 Corinthians a curious interpretation. In my reading, the tone of 1 Corinthians strikes me as much more strident and unbending than the tone of 2 Corinthians, in which I perceive a conciliatory attitude that is absent from the first letter.
So there are a lot of people who are convinced that their theology is wrong because based onnthe argument "someone called me a stubborn moron"? It seems likely that (ad hominem) "argument" would never work on anyone (but perhaps I am just one of the gentle souls.)
So many candles.
An important liturgical message from Cardinal Ratzinger - now Pope Benedict XVI
"Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment. " (Spirit of the Liturgy p. 198)
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+geach7 AMEN.so glad I realized Lutheranism was just a MAN MADE corruption of Christianity!
+geach7 lol cause certainly God couldn't cause any joy or mirth to break out in anyway.
Lutheranism is the Catholic faith, without Protestant subtractions and without Roman additions. Just for a very basic example, check the teaching on the Communion of Pope St. Gelasius I. Check also what the same Pope--and again, this isn't some antipope, he's a pope who has been canonized by the Catholic Church--had to say about the Protoevangelium of James, which is the source of Roman teaching about the perpetual virginity of Mary. Read Chesterton's biography of St. Thomas Aquinas. He explains about the struggle within the Catholic Church between the Scholastics and the Augustinians, and explains that the Lutheran Reformation was very simply the counterstroke of the defeated Augustinians. Read "Why God Became Man" (Cur Deus Homo) by St. Anselm of Canterbury. You will recognize the Lutheran teaching of justification by grace alone, because of the vicarious satisfaction that Jesus Christ made. These are honored saints of the Church, and their teachings are far closer to Luther than they are to Luther's Roman adversaries. Lutheranism is far from man made. It is founded firmly at all points on God's Word, as opposed to the idea of a "magisterium" that winds up meaning that the popes can make it up as they go along, which means inherently that Rome goes with man made doctrine.
+Anton Lover of Truth And Lutherans say Catholicism is a MAN MADE corruption of Christianity. I am nether Catholic or Lutheran, and I can tell you this bickering will get you nowhere.
This isn't an actual Mass obviously, so your point is void.
I gotta ask: is this the Lutheran confession that has reunited with Roman Catholicism?
Mcfirefly2 The Lutheran World Federation which I believe the ELCA is a part of signed a document with the Roman Catholic Church called the Joint Declaration on Doctrine of Justification. This video comes from pastors that are a part of the Missouri Sinod. The LCMS is not a part of the Lutheran World Federation and did not sign the document with Rome.
@@chrisapitz6089 I'm glad they didn't sign the document...
@@caroleimani9754 who cares ..... Stay in ur mess
The modern reasoning in the US for circumcision being for hygiene seems more like people going along and not actuality grounded in fact. Is it wrong in these days for Christians to circumcise their baby boys?
circumcision is wrong for Christians and should not be done. Nobody should have this operation performed except for medical reasons, if there is something wrong with the foreskin and amputation is the only option.
Snark on, my Funny Snarky Friend. You do well.
Yeah He stopped snarking a while ago... these days Hans only acts snarky when people don't talk back... He blocked me because I make him uncomfortable with my Lutheran theology... don't believe me?
ask him...
vii vii ix ii ii v iv vi ix ix. thats him
v vii v ix ix ix i iii viii v. that's me.
v i ii v viii v ix vi iii ix. thats wolf if you want to cross reference.
1. Has the person consented to boxing with you?
2. Does this person need to be knocked out or taught to block (hard heart or weakness)?
3. Do you knock out a false doctrine or a false teacher?
Reducto Absurdum
Watch out for Mike Tyson
Check out Evaluating the Claims to the Charismatic Gifts, by Douglas Schuette
Come on Patrick....
I am still wondering about that cross stolen from our seminary.
Why is practicing homosexuality allowed in some Lutheran churches?
That's the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, which is an extremely liberal organization that has pretty much nothing to do with historical confessional Lutheranism. The main Lutheran organization in the US that actually adheres to basic Christian orthodoxy is the AALC, which I believe Hans is a part of. It's similar to the split in the Presbyterian church, where there is an ultra-liberal one and an actual orthodox one.
It isn't... There is a thing called hypocrisy in and out of the Church. Not All self-proclaimed Christians really are truly Christian... Some are misguided and need to be taught, while others teach lies to those same people, unknowingly or otherwise... A sad but inevitable truth
@@sheridanfalkenberry5611 actually Hans is LCMS which is affiliated with AALC also LCMS I s larger and predates AALC en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._F._W._Walther en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheran_Church%E2%80%93Missouri_Synod
@@sheridanfalkenberry5611LCMS is actually the larger of the two and much, much older. LCMS was founded in 1847, and has over 1.5 million confirmed members (2 mil total); AALC has 16 thousand and was founded in 1987. Both can be proud to call themselves the Christian Church and I got sidetracked: either way your point stands btw I subscribed you your channel...
Is the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod considered to be Orthodox?
8:58 that's still a mysterious animal so it fits 😂
I'm not sure why it's so quiet at 32:00 on. That right there is good snark.
i was laughing pretty hard at that
Is the definition of Lutheran Satire "complete and likely willful misunderstanding or ignorance of Church history and Catholic teaching"?
+Rural Jefferson That may seem like a fair criticism. But he has actually shown one of his videos on Catholicism to actual Catholics, and they remarked that it had a good deal of truth to it.
+Shona McCarthy The Koran has a good deal of truth in it; that doesn't mean it's an accurate explication of Christianity or Judaism or that it's not full of ignorance and misunderstanding of Jesus Christ.
A better question: Do actual Catholics understand what their Church's official and public position actually is? The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent haven't been rescinded yet. The Catechism of the Catholic Church may be the public face Roman Catholicism wants to put on, but it is tragically very far from a comprehensive summary of Catholic doctrine.
The same can be said of the Catechism of the Catholic church as relates to Catholicism.
Hans Fiene likes to be a jerk to people (to make a point). He is at his best when he is critiquing Lutheran foibles. He is at his worst when he misrepresents Catholicism, Calvinism, and whatever else "to make a point". Basically he is a jerk and he knows it.
Rev. Fiene ... try M-W.com ... a much trusted/academic dictionary source (Merriam-Webster).
Well done
Absolutely ridiculous that a "pastor" would give an hour long sermon to inspire and encourage others to blatantly go against 1 Peter 3:15. Speaks volumes about their pride, not their discernment. The desire to be snarky at people boils down to their pride and enjoyment in being right. Also it places very little faith in the Holy Spirit's ability to convict and convince others through methods like 1 Peter 3:15, using gentleness and respect. Step aside, Holy Spirit, this pastor has something stronger than you: snark. (Hey, if you can dish it out...)
Did you watch the video? The speaker was quite moderate in the point he made, which is that there are a few times when it *is* appropriate to verbally attack people, whereas there are many more times when it is *not* appropriate. He suggested ways to discern one type of situation from the other, based on evidence from Jesus' own words, as well as from the words of the prophet Elijah and the apostle Paul.
So, the speaker in the video is trying to use Scripture to figure out when it is appropriate to speak harshly. This is the opposite of arrogantly telling the Holy Spirit to "step aside," as you accused him of doing.
You would know that he didn't do what you accused him of doing if you had watched the video.
...which makes your comment ironic. You made a snap judgment about him based on your own pre-conceptions about his pride and lack of discernment.
I identify as Lutheran but these people are anti-nomians.
@@lpcruz5661 Quite a few of those running around... They claim faith in Jesus, but don't subscribe to what Jesus said faith was
the art deco is horrible in this church.
could be better, yes
Sorry, doesn't work. Sobriety, not snark.
I'm snarky but not Lutheran
C’mon, Patrick! Way to disregard that little command in the Bible that says not to allow crude talk to come out of your mouth!
Yeah, Patrick! Stick to emulating Mr. Luther when he was not exercising his German potty mouth.
I mean, really, Patrick!
Come on, Patrick!!
Chris Privette LOL. I've been watching Lutheran Satire and I know who says that.
29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, *but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.*
I'd say that Luther's words fit into the latter category, scatological as they are.
Chris: Yeah, I was offended by that. Anybody can be crude.
Punching someone over baptism? Serious Christians need to support each other not become hostile. While I agree with infant baptism some Lutherans get so excited over this it seems stupid. Get a life guys.
It is because these guys understand baptism ala ex opere operato - which even the Lutheran Confessions rebuke.
The indianapolis dolts? I'd be ashamed to call myself a hoosier
Thank you Pastor Fiene, I’ll be following your teaching closely. For a loser pastor... you’re almost kewl.
I can think of few poorer teaching representations of Christianity in general and Lutheranism in particular than this video. Christian theology conceived as violent sport. Christ, have mercy.
If charity commands, you can punch someone in the face.
As of nature, snarks, tend to be choleric or phlegmatic. As for the art & craft, a snark can be perfected until passing for a psychopath.
"Lutherans evicerating Calvinists" LOLOLOLOLOLOL 😂😁😂😁😂😂 things that never happened for 10,000 Alex..
Chandler Keaton is means is and when Christ says “this is my body” he means “this is my body”. People (Calvinists) get confused because Jesus taught in parables, so they think he gave commands in parables or metaphors, this clearly isn’t the case, for example when Jesus commanded Peter to walk on water he was speaking directly.
I know it’s tough.
No points because your answer didn't start with what is.
@@loweffortstolenmemes4778 calvinism is not about bread and wine
Joshua Theo I’m aware. It’s just symptomatic of the sophistry inherent in Calvin’s doctrines.
@@loweffortstolenmemes4778 Can you explain this to the Catholics and eastern Orthodox? They seem confused about when Jesus said "this is my body" and when this; And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
So what is it then? They must stop worshiping Mary and stop calling her "mother of God".
Not so fasht preacher man...
Horus steps into the Lutheran convention....
The combative language is a precursor to a violent Christian fascism in the United States, however the fact that he never smiles or is pretentious is highly progressive for a conservative denomination.