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I have never experienced such thing in all my night time flying but would love to.
Have you ever? What are your thoughts?
Nope just birds (day time) 😂
Never, but an app like Stellarium can show locations of Starlink in real time. Should be easy enough for a pilot to open the app, orient the phone towards the TOI and get a confirmation or at least a good fix.
Not as a pilot which I am but in the late 70's my father and I saw the exact same thing. They formed a triangle, then broke off. It looked like they were performing maneuvers when not in a triangle. Very high in the sky and they must have been very bright or very large. The one took off so fast like nothing we made. The maneuvers would have killed a human. The other 2 then took off at a crazy speed.
It was kindof freaky until I did get Stellarium and you can see exactly which Starlink Satellite it is.
Hi! Where did the images of the objects you put in the video come from? What is the source of the video shots of the lights?
For anyone wondering, this was early morning, 19th of January, 2024.
Cheers mate. This should’ve been in the description.
Explains why they were seeing them to the east, above the yet unrisen sun.
Great! Thanks.
If this was really in January that's interesting, because I saw the exact same thing described here while flying at FL340 over central Kentucky 3 nights ago
And posted early morning, 1st of April, 2024.
I’m a regional airline captain and we have been seeing these off and on since October. Reach out to me for details. I have photos, videos, and detailed notes.
It’s the strangest thing I’ve seen in years.
It’s been discussed all over the radios in every area that I fly in.
I watched one light cross the sky to the West at low level, about 28,000ft, stop, and then climb to the mid 40s in about 4 seconds. That’s Mach 4 - vertically.
I’m extremely happy to see that so many of us are here in the comments corroborating this. People keep saying satellites, but I’ve seen all manner of satellites/rocket junk/debris/space stations flying around in space.
This is not behavior that we have the capability of replicating in space.
Because we never had Starlink before. Having a low orbit constellation of satellites is a new thing! So I can imagine you have never seen it before. 😂
@@markor2476 I’ve seen Starlink dozens of times. This isn’t Starlink.
@@noonedude101 If you mean the train after they're launched, that is not what I mean. Go google starlink constellation, watch the animation - that is what I mean.
This isn't Starlink. Starlink is in LEO moving quite quickly in the same direction. Can you upload your videos? Would be quite interesting to see..
@@shorty7182 You're correct for when they launch Stralink satellites but not for the whole constellation. The whole constellation moves very differently to a straight line, google it.
"oh a scientific explanation, very good, thank-you" 😂😂😂
😅😅😅
As if she didn't want it to be a UFO.
@@TheCyberMantisshe didn't want to do more paperwork or she didn't want to have a visit from the MIB lol
The atmosphere and Earth itself forms a lens. Think Einstein Cross but where only 3 of the copies of Sol are seen as the 4th is obscured by the Earth. You look away from the sun and see 3 copies of it projected. Occasionally they're disrupted at "great speed" then return to their original position.
I’m really glad someone picked up their phone to film it! I’m not sure if I could even visualize it otherwise
I’m glad their phone picked it up. I’ve seen them myself recently in a corporate jet at FL430. My phone would not focus on them well enough for photo or video.
You cant imagine lights in the sky? Oh well.
The interesting thing is almost that exact phenomenon has been reported and filmed many times all over the world for probably 30+ years. Some of those reports are probably military formations, but many of them have been verified not to be military aircraft by ATC personnel.
I've seen it myself over Kansas some years ago. The triangle was moving at an incredible speed towards the east, but no sound of engines ever heard, then it turned and started moving north quite abruptly before disappearing in an instant. I tried to video it, but my phone couldn't pick it up.
@@n003lb When you move a aircraft vehicle with gravity rather than propulsion that's what you get. Abrupt direction / speed differences.
It's the same 3 copies of the sun which have been reported for decades.
The most Canadian ATC - pilot conversation ever.
Lol in the US they would have just said IDK stop bothering me
eh?
I'm Minnesotan, so I'm probably biased, but gosh darn if these people don't sound like the nicest folks ever. So calm. So professional. Makes me proud to be human.
Eh, ya hoser! 🇨🇦
Only thing missing was Timmy Hortons and anything maple flavored or a hockey reference
Cargojet pilot here, saw these lights over Ontario eastbound going towards Montreal a few months ago right around 0300L abd in similar conditions. I’ve seen Starlink satellites (as many as 40 in a row), the ISS and various other satellites in the past multiple times and these are not them.
Agreed, these are certainly not satellite (SpaceX, etc) maneuvers.
@@sharkey086 I think one of the pilots is suggesting it is reflections off the satellites + some kind of atmospheric lensing effect. So the satellites aren't actually moving that fast, just the atmospheric lens is making it appear like they are. Same thing with the flying in parallel, that could be an Einstein's Cross, just one single satellite getting split and appearing like 3-4 due to a lens.
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Airline pilot here. Seen this a couple times. Weird stuff.
Its drones. Look up fastest recreational drone. It flies at like 200mph so imagine the military ones
Sure, but at 50,000ft its probably a recreational military drone.
Same here. Rotating triangle shaped 3 bright stars.
@@RwP223There's no such thing as a military recreational anything. Even when the military does recreational activities it's organized by MWR.
@@mattk8810They already said that there were no military flights going on in the area.
i am an amateur astronomer and I take short and long term exposures using a dedicated astro cam and various FL telescopes. We deal with satellite trails in our images all the time. Never do the sat trails manifest themselves in a tri parallel fashion. Even the Starlink sats..they show up as singular criss crossing trails in our images.
It’s a military satellite constellation in geosynchronous orbit.
That's because you're on the ground, as opposed to 40k feet in altitude, and you are usually dealing with Starlink sats at lower latitudes, as opposed to the highest inclination sats that tend to "bunch up" (at least observationally) as they approach the highest latitudes of their ascending and descending nodes. Line of sight plays a pivotal role in the optical illusion created by this arrangement of high inclination sats.
@@davidmiller1114Geosynchronous orbit is nearly 36,000km. You ain’t seeing that from the ground
Can l ask you a question? I remember when I was teenager so roghly over 20 years ago I used to go outside in evenings and nights. My friend and I, we v seen a lights going across the sky in high speed. It couldn't be airplane or shooting star. We could definitely tell the difference. It looked like a star or something. No flashing lights and it would go in straight line. Is there any explanation to that?
@@Peter-pumpkin-eater Satellites. If they flash regularly, they're aircraft; If the don't flash, flash or change in brightness at irregular intervals, and/or tend to disappear or fade away as they get farther across the sky, that's most likely a satellite.
"I have no idea what that might be"
"Oh good."
I'm an airline pilot here in Mexico and I have seen them lights just as the woman pilot described, 3-4 lights that forms a triangle and starts getting together and separates, then they break formation and starts following each other in a speed I have never seen in an airplane. I have seen them like 2-3 times and I had no idea wtf that is. We as a pilots see satellites and that's a normal thing and they move on a normal pattern but those lights are something different. I remember the first time I saw them, they were shining in a star-like color and then they were changing its brightness and changing colors, my captain and I were stunned 🛸
As long as you don't think they are aliens you won't need to have your medical cancelled on you.
Close Encounters of the Third Kind sort of stuff sounds like.
This describes exactly my experiences as a pilot. Saw them a few times now, sometimes for hours. Flew from Libanon to Europe once, nd saw them ahead of us for 3 hours straight.. we thought we would get closer but they never got closer..
I’m confident there will be an explanation. Will be interesting to see if Mick West picks this up.
Either that or it’s really clever marketing for the new 3 Body Problem series on Netflix 😂
@@MeppyManhaha just started that show this morning!
I saw this when operating to ANC it was absolutely wild. Myself and the Captain were so baffled, it was exactly like that. I took several photos however it didn’t look as good of quality as that.
When was it? And is there any explanation?
Could it be Starlink satellites which are flaring?
@@rl9148 - That's my bet. Those things have already ruined amateur astrophotography. Every shot has streaks across it.
@@GWNorth-db8vn No, starlink satellites are way more numerous than 3 lights.
@@bibo2445 - There are a lot of them, but they only show up when they're at an angle where the sun reflects off them. It could be more than three coming in and out of view and being reflected and refracted by meteorological conditions. We need to know the season and date to see what was was passing N or Winnipeg at these times. Planets don't go that far north in the sky.
I was flying at FL340 over central Kentucky 3 nights ago and saw them out to the North, we watched them for over an hour. My Captain and I were very confused at what we were looking at. All these reports are accurate though, very high and very fast indeed. I think they're being a little conservative on the altitude, though, to us it seemed much higher.
Reports of them fading in and out. What wasn't clear was did the formation seem to alter at all, ie the position of the lights relative to each other.
@@nic.h yes they circled around each other and formed shapes and most notably had no issues changing direction
@@avian7971 sounds very unlikely to be light reflecting off satellites given that description. Thanks for the feedback
And if you failed to repoert them, you should be FIRED!
Saw the Same early January flying from Vegas to Miami cruising around Texas they did look far north. And since we were cruising at FL490 I do believe the lights were 200,000ft or higher. This at 3am … very weird
I am an Airline Pilot and I have been seeing these lights phenomenon for quite sometime now. On the other part of the world as well. While flying Eastbound and Northbound at night in Jeddah, UAE, Muscat, Pakistan and Iran Airspace between bearing 330 to 040. And seeing them on bearing 070 to 120 lately. Seems like they are way out of earths atmosphere. Observing these lights for past 14 months now.
A heap of new low earth orbit (LEO) satellites going up these days. With accurate time, location and altitude recorded of your flight when they are seen, then accurate measurement of their bearing and elevation angle, in sure it would match up with the position of the sun at that time reflecting nicely off some LEOs.
Whenever I’ve seen reports like this that include the data, it doesn’t take long to explain them. But most of the time it’s anecdotal about perceived speed and altitude. We all need to learn how to use a sextant 😂
Can confirm, saw them on my way to Colombo last month on the 19th.
@@MeppyMan I agree, but you would visibly see LEO satellites moving towards you or away from you. I think they might be in Geosynchronous orbit. Geosynchronous satellites may be inclined relative to the equator and have a figure 8 ground path.
@@imzanky6321 it could be different satellites in similar orbits moving through the patch of sky that is the angle to reflect sunlight to the plane. So they think they are watching a few random lights move about and fade in and out, when it’s actually multiple reflection sources.
Geosynchronous orbits are very high. You don’t see them reflecting light like this.
@@MeppyMan It's possible to see geosynchronous satellites from the ground with the right conditions and equipment. They can brighten considerably when the geometry is right, and in the flight levels, I think it's possible.
There! Are! Four! Lights!
Best WiFi name ever
Dude the Iron Man, Man.
Only us older folk will recognize that as a TNG quote 😎
@@VideoManDanHey, I resemble that remark. 🙂
@@VideoManDan I literally read it in Picard's hoarse yelling voice from that scene.
Airline pilot in Mexico here, Since October 2023 I've seen those lights as well, maybe once or twice every month between 10pm and 3am, I wouldn’t say they are flying inside the atmosphere like many pilots reported, they seem as far and as dim like the stars, probably satellites. The only uncanny thing about them is the way they move, making that rhombus formation, getting very close and then distancing before disapearing.
Satellites moving in formation that only starter appearing recently? Sounds like it could be Starlink satellites,
@@evanmasterpierround1169 Do starlink satellites move around in relation to each othe, in and out of formation?
@@derp195 they can certainly appear to do so through parallax effects.
I am wondering if we are seeing strings of starlink birds on different orbits passing through a "focal point" of sorts that makes them visible as they pass that specific point. At the higher altitude they get sunlight a long time before the ground. Just a guess. I'll be curious to learn more.
Airline Pilot here aswell, flying for more than 20years, have been observing this for the last 5-6month mostly over Turkey, Iran, Southwest Russia, and Armenia, for up to 2hours nonstop sometimes, I have no clue what it could be, really high up, it must be at least FL800 and above.
I was flying jumpseat/observer seat in a 747 freighter CVG-ANC back in January. They would appear for about 30 seconds, then disappear for 10-15 minutes. We started seeing them over Wisconsin, and continued to see them over most of Canada until we were in Alaskan airspace.
I saw the same lights nearby El Paso, TX. US/MX border like 2 weeks ago around 2300. Im a new FO airline pilot and was my first time seeing those lights. Very strange…
I fly an E170 with most of my time spent in the North East. Been on the job ~8 months and have had multiple captains report nearly the exact same thing as well as hearing a lot of guys getting riled up on guard all seeing the same stuff. Haven’t been able to see anything myself but find it interesting how frequent it’s starting to seem.
Haven't heard it lately...but there used to be some 'Let's Go Brandon' chants on guard.
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@@rustytheocelot1121 I much preferred LGB to the current cat fetish going on. As I recall it started about the time the price of avgas doubled. Since the price is still near double I think LGB is still appropriate.
Starlink is growing by the thousands monthly, which accounts for the apparent density of objects.
It's definitely high inclination Starlink sats rounding the northern latitudes along their orbital paths. They are just high enough as they reach their latitudinal "apogees" to come out from behind Earth's shadow and become illuminated.
It’s good to see pilots reporting this, and not being mocked, vilified, or hopefully not sacked for making these reports.
I’m a pilot and we see this all the time in South America going from São Paulo to Santiago and over to Buenos Aires southern Argentina. We think it’s starlink but it’s really wild
These pilots report seeing them continuously for over an hour. Low orbit satellites move far too rapidly around the planet for that to make sense (around 2 hours per orbit).
I am an Europe based pilot and saw these lights on a night flight eastbound from being overhead GB january 12th. Another pilot I spoke on that matter saw them from overhead Jeddah.
And thank you Vas for being willing to publish this. Thats how stuff gets figured out.
And a huge "NO THANK YOU" and shame on every one of the pilots in this comments section that have seen these things multiple times and have failed to report seeing them. You should ALL be fired!
@@-108- nah, why would I report an optical effect? I don't report stars in the sky...
It’s been figured out people just don’t talk about it. Do you know how many times Venus has been reported as a legitimate alien spaceship?
@@wcolby Not by multiple (~10+) career commercial airline pilots in the same evening. lol You sound like a flat Earther type. There is unquestionably something there... it's just that "there" may be rather subjective.
@@-108-the controllers on the sectors where they are commonly seen are pretty used to it. I always report it just to make conversation late at night and the controllers usually could care less. They get reports of them every night, they elevate the reports, and nobody has any answers.
Thanks for that! What a great video. Great that pilot get to talk about it freely.
Gosh. I'm a retired airline pilot, and I wish I was able to observe such an event.
At 7:25, ATC mentions that they'll be filing a "CIRVIS report." I looked it up, and found a PDF titled "general description and purpose of Communication Instructions for Reporting Vital Intelligence Sightings." I'll link it at the end of this comment. The document I found isn't an actual form to be filled out, it's simply a description of steps to be taken by pilots and air traffic controllers with the purpose of "reporting of informa-
tion of vital importance to the security of the United States of
America and Canada and their forces, which in the opinion of the
observer, requires prompt defensive and/or investigative action by
the US and/or Canadian Armed Forces." The document gives examples of what a conversation might look like in this situation, and I found it interesting that a pilot who is familiar with CERVIS reports is supposed to initiate one with a declaration of PAN-PAN. Overall though, it seems the air traffic controller handled this pretty much by the book, she got all the information that the CIRVIS report requires.
I'm not a pilot, just an aviation nerd, but even more than that, I'm a huge nerd about all things space. The vast, vast majority of the time that a formation of weird lights are seen in the sky, it's a formation of SpaceX's Starlink satellites. Honestly, from the video and what the pilots reported, I'm not convinced this is Starlink. Satellites always move in one consistent path, maintaining the same heading and speed, but it sounds like some pilots reported erratic movement of these lights. Honestly, I'd still say with like 75% confidence that it's Starlink, and some combination of the relative movement of the plane, observing them from a high altitude rather than from the ground like I'm familiar with, and perhaps the time of observation being shortly before dawn or after dusk, made them look different than any other Starlink sighting I'm familiar with. But that 25% of my mind that doubts that is mighty curious about what this could possibly be.
Here's the link to download that CIRVIS document. It's a pretty interesting read:
www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/ufo/janap_146.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwibk_rm756FAxXEjYkEHcRjCKoQFnoECBEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw09MPv63uV5LHRFIpRrp7LC
how did you manage to get a URL into a comment, given RUclips's policy on External Links as comments?
@@CapStar362This
A starling satellite travels at 17,000 miles an hour and therefore is not stationary. A geo asynchronous satellite is 117,000,000 feet above the surface. You’re gonna not gonna see it either.
Thanks that's really informative and interesting.
@@banon7853 Atmospheric lensing can help with "seemingly same position" but again, I am not 100% sure here too...
Well this is really cool! Love the channel!
I’ve been waiting for a video on this for awhile. We’ve had many reports and chatter on guard about lights over WI/MI anytime between 10pm and 3AM. This all started last year sometime.
This was January 2024. Incredibly civil and polite Canadian ATC exchange between ATC and pilots. Two pilots also chime in and report they have seen these triangle, square, diamond, light formations for the last18 months and no investigation?
Sounds to me like they're satellites reflecting sunlight. Listen to FLE600's description at 8:08. When they "disappear", it's because they're no longer at the correct angle to reflect the sun, and when they "reappear", it's actually another satellite that has entered the correct position to reflect the sun. They appear to be in the same spot, not because it's the same objects every time, but because that position is where the sun is reflected at that orbit altitude. If you drive alongside a lake and see the reflection of the sun in the water, the reflection appears stationary even though it's different parts of the lake that are reflecting. I think this is exactly that phenomenon, but with satellites.
This!!!
Long haul airline pilot - Have seen similar strange lights numerous times now over the last year or so. Always while flying eastbound over the united states in the very early hours of the morning. The lights are extremely high level (i would estimate at least FL600+) and move in random patterns/directions and keep disappearing before coming back again repeatedly - definitely NOT satellites due to the nature of their motion. Something is definitely going on out there - presumably unknown military hardware.
It is satellites. You describe the movement of the Starlink low orbit constellation perfectly.
@@markor2476You have no idea about orbital mechanics. Watching an animation online and assuming it's Starlink is completely wrong. Did you watch the videos of the incident at all?
@@shorty7182 Ok it's aliens 😂.
@@markor2476 you do not know what you are talking about. i am very aware of the orbits and movement of satellites - they are seen very often. as already mentioned - due to oribital mechanics it would be utterly impossible for any sort of satellite to change directions in a seemingly random fashion. no-one is saying it is aliens either. as i say - i strongly suspect it is some form of military hardware.
"definitely NOT satellites due to the nature of their motion" Are you saying that the motion of a single point of light, from the time of first appearance to disappearance, is inconsistent with that of a satellite? Or are you saying that the motion of what you perceive to be a set of appearing and disappearing objects is inconsistent with that of satellites?
I'm curious because the latter would not be inconsistent with my hypothesis that these lights are just reflections from many satellites in various orbits, each only briefly visible
You see these frequently when flying across the Pacific eastbound. We now know they are LEOs, and it’s a bit of an illusion that gives the impression that you’re looking at one or several that are manoeuvring. Pretty weird when you first see it because it’s a relatively new phenomenon.
This was a really fantastic exchange on the radio by all parties involved. My guess is they were seeing a suite of LEO satellites that would randomly catch the correct sun angle to light up with a reflection. The motion of them was not real but just the result of different ones lighting up at the correct moments in sequence.
Most likely
@@MeppyMan Occam's razor agrees.
We've been adding "sparklies" to the Earth at various altitudes and orbital patterns for quite some time now.
Sorry no. I've tracked satellites from the cockpit for years, and as a direct observer of this I can honestly say it's nothing like that. They form up and then split up and various speeds. Sometimes curving trajectories, sometimes straight. Oftentimes the acceleration is remarkably fast (especially considering how far away they are). To be frank, it's like watching a freakin' sci-fi movie. I'm not saying they are aliens - maybe they are exotic military vehicles or space base weapons - but they most definitely not normal LEO satellites.
Agree. The fact that it’s always east-bound night flights supports a reflection phenomenon lit by the sun from the west.
I recall all sorts of reports of triangles in the night sky and lights, doing exactly what these lights are doing particularly over the midwest, and never anything on radar, and as America approached the Invasion of Panama in 1989. The US Air Force finally came clean about an aircraft that had begun operational service seven years earlier in 1982. This aircraft came out of one of the Blackest programs and saw very limited use in Panama, but a couple of years later during Gulf War 1, the aircraft would more than prove itself and become front page headlines. That was the F-117 Nighthawk. Northern Canada and the Prairies have huge areas with very limited populations, and it's been the perfect testing grounds for US cruise missiles and I'm sure many other black projects, that we have yet to hear about.
Had to double check whether or not this was posted on April Fools’ Day.
It is though. Strange coincidence.
That makes no sense: who would be fooled? Certainly not professional pilots or ATC. In caves have been found 10,000 year old carvings showing three dots in a triangular shape, that should be proof enough even for the sceptics.
I routinely do transcon redeyes and this is a daily occurrence; there's always SOMEONE on 121.5 or Center going "You guys see those lights?" and there's always SOMEONE replying "Starlink." Happens some time after 1am and only lasts a couple hours or so.
If you record them moving, and then replay the recording at high speed scrubbing you can see their strange pattern isnt so strange.
Like someone said before me. Starlink would not be seen at 1AM, except at the extreme latitudes, where it could be seen for hours. But otherwise it does not last that long.
The time I saw them in the late 90s was before Starlink.
They are geo polar satellites.
@@JD-ws2cu
A geosynchronous satellite orbits at an altitude of 117,337,440 feet or 22,223 miles (35,786 kilometers) and travels at a speed of about 7,000 miles per hour (11,300 kilometers per hour). The satellites' orbital velocity is 3.07 kilometers per second (1.91 miles per second).
Can’t see it at 40k feet.
I’ve seen something similar twice flying to Delhi. We were over Georgia, the country. It happened about the same time Venus was rising and lasted 20-30 minutes.
I’ve been in the Air Force now for over 10 years. This type of sighting isn’t new. I personally saw something very similar while flying over Qatar in a KC-10. The lights appeared to be much higher than us and we were at FL350 (if I remember correctly). But back then it was considered taboo to speak about such things. Glad it’s becoming okay and normal
They will always appear higher than you. It's the sun being refracted by atmosphere.
There were less satellites back then. There are over 5,600 starlink satellites now. It's literally EVERY SINGLE NIGHT, and as an air traffic controller who regularly works those shifts, it gets annoying. YES IT IS SATELLITES yes they are thousands of miles away and not 10,000 feet above but many many miles above, that's how 2 different planes hundreds of miles apart west to east are able to see the same lights when they look in the same direction (typically to the north)
Saw something very similar to this last year in the winter time, on two occasions, but over the North Atlantic. Instead of a triangle it was circle formation however when we saw them.
Interesting! Would be nice to get answers on that for sure!
Airline Captain in middle east major, I keep seeing those lights the last 1 year over the Arabian sea towards India. Managed to capture it on my phone as well.
That’s not what I usually look for on this channel, but I am pretty sure it will go viral…
We were operating the Redeye from PHX-DTW back in January. We watched them at our 12oclock position for at least 2 hours…Altitude was much higher than 50k. I’d estimate 100k+. The lights we saw were groups of 3-4…they would get bright, then fade to the point they were nearly impossible to see. One light seemed to move vertically and laterally around the other lights…fast movement.
This was the weirdest thing I’ve seen in 30 years of flying.
I've had multiple nigh-time sightings of unexplained lights in the sky. The one that freaked me out was spotting an object flying below us in the daylight.
This is on Dan Gryder's safety hazard checklist. Night, Terrain, Aliens, pick one.
Dan Gryder is an alien and he's here to sing us into submission
Hard to tell when he won't leave the videos up.
@@DropdudeJohn 🤣🤣🤣
Preferable none.
Gryder is a tool and a danger to aviation with his arrogance. He is also paranoid after he stirred up a very public mess over the TBM Avenger incident at cocca beach. Don't even get me started on his issues with Griffin Spaulding County Airport, his arrest. he is a loose cannon.
he literally accused google/youtube of accepting bribes and giving out his login information ( which is impossible since no CS Rep could access his password, even the CEO of google cannot access his actual password ) so that someone could delete his videos. In which this happened almost days after his statements about the TBM event.
Then after getting called out about that, he privatized the video then deleted it. Technically that is a violation of TOS accusing YT/Google of such a thing and how he survived not getting his account suspended for that is beyond me.
Airline pilot here. Seen this very thing several times. Discussion with the FO. We both see it. Lots of chatter on freq about it. Nothing common sense seems to explain it. They are moving fast. Come and go, and do strange things that a regular orbit would not explain.
Take a look at Atmospheric refraction. It's the sun.
@@whatilearnttoday5295 I would say it’s the reflection of the sun off of objects. Like how you see a satellite after sunset. The satellite is still in sunlight. But the sun is already down and these are objects. Moving fast
@@markg7963 Don't think satellites are involved at all. It's stationary for the observer unless the observer moves their eye. They report it moving with them. Then at great speeds when they themselves change viewing angles.
It's 1 object. The Sun. From below the horizon in the opposite direction to the display. There are 4 copies of it being lensed. 3 are visible while the 4th is obscured by Earth. It's being projected onto the upper atmosphere.
There are no "objects" moving apart from the observer.
I've been seeing those lights over my house. Very high up sometimes stopping. Side to side like meandering. Last two years.
I also saw these lights couple of times. Especially when you are flying from Europe eastbound over Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan towards China. It seems so weird and at the same time exciting. First time when I saw it I’ve spent around 2 hours just looking outside the window and speaking with captain what it might be
I’ve been seeing a light which looks like a very bright star but fades to black and then gets bright again about every 5 minutes or so. Approx 320 degrees when flying over Western Europe. Very strange. It’s has been multiple nights I have seen it now, always in the same place, appears stationary.
It's the sun reflecting off geosynchronous satellites. You see it frequently out by Denver too because there's less light pollution
@@michaeleble6879 That was my second guess at what it was after aliens.
@@Joeyglidethose terrestrials always gotta be so extra.
Satellites of some variety might have made sense, but not when they arrange in formation and then suddenly break off in different directions at great speed, only to then reform again. What's interesting is all the of the other pilots chiming in here, stating they've witnessed this as well, and in a wide range of locations around the world. So it's not likely to be a military exercise with flares or something like that. Obviously we can't prove it's alien, but it sure gives that vibe, doesn't it?
Preparing for the arrival…
Airline Captain here,
Yeah, we’ve been seeing lots of those during late night/early morning hours in a bunch of different places around North America. Specially around the northern Nevada and California. I’ve seen them over the pacific just off the coast of California while coming back from Hawaii at around 2-3am. Way above FL400 (40,000ft).
Not satellites for sure as they change directions quite fast and often. Most likely they are fighter jets doing some dogfighting and the lights are the afterburners as when they turn the lights disappear until their “flamy end” is turned toward us again. If not fighter jets, it’s definitely military activity of some sorts.
Still freaky to watch though if you’ve never seen them. What is more concerning to me is why the increased activity all over North America? These past two years have been unusually easy to see those. I wonder if the military is gearing up for something.
FL500-FL100, no published MOA, forming shapes, and lasting for over an hour doesn't sound like dogfighting lol
Have seen this - was expecting to see it on Vasaviation since several small jets and airliners reported it . Was around Columbia, SC and visible in the west. Those lights were chasing each other up VERY high altitude, seemed to be extremely high speed.
And this is no joke....
Great video thank you 🙏
Worked a decade in aerospace; saw these lights in the dark early morning July 1, 2022, Mexico. Thanks for the vid, now I know others have seen the same thing.
I've seen this as well, south of Charleston SC over the ocean, and east of Raleigh.
Seen that many times flying North over the Midwest United States. Many people think they are low-orbit satellites. When you see planes in the distance at night, their position moves relative to stars in the night's sky. These moving objects do move around, but they do not change position relative to the stars in the background.
All low earth orbit satellites move very fast relative to the stars and will rise and set once an hour roughly. Very high satellites in geo synchronous orbit will remain stationary relative to the star’s but they orbit at about 22,000 miles.
What you said doesn't make sense to me, "they move around but not relative to the stars". If they are stationary to the stars, then they are stationary and don't move, if they move then they are not stationary to the stars. Could you elaborate?
@@lyingcat9022You are correct but geo-sync orbits are located ONLY over the equator and they are not stationary relative to the stars but to the Earth's rotation. In other words, the satellite will remain at the same position you're looking at and the stars will pass behind them. This does not make sense since the objects were seen to the North of the US and Canada. ALL other orbits; no matter the speed, altitude, or direction of travel; will have a constant speed and direction relative to the earth, unless they are changed by course corrections which these type of changes would be very slow to happen and virtually undetectable by the naked eye. What happened here as described by these pilots, to me, was not the work of satellites.
@@LNC4P You described geostationary not geosynchronous. Geosynchronous satellites may be inclined relative to the equator and have a figure 8 ground path and can have any inclination.
They're seeing each other
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I think that the old stigma about reporting these incidents still stymies progress. The pilot saying he’d been seeing the lights for 18 months says a lot. Not long ago being heard discussing something like this could be a career ender, let alone reporting it. I think a lot of professional pilots still have that fear.
Seen them 4 Apr 2017 around 21:30 over Paris and again in 2023 around 03:00 over Croatia. I am still puzzled about this. I made some pictures in 2017, they were super bright, we could see them making these triangle formations from the Strait of Dover and the lights were north of Paris.
There are many reports of this same thing appearing over night as you fly eastbound across northern Texas. Same description, lights moving in the sky forming triangles.
Given the time of day, and the eastward heading, if it's the sun reflecting off something high up, and not something that is itself bright.
They would have to be very large satellites in geo synchronous orbit to both reflect sunlight that bright and to remain in the same position in the sky. Geo sync is roughly 22,000 miles.
Well, the USA has signals intelligence satellites with parabolic antennas THIRTY METERS in diameter sitting in geosynchronous orbit (they are wire mesh and unfold after launch). So it's possible.
Geosynchronous orbit is a long way out. It's atmospheric refraction of the sun.
Every time I think of something like this my mind doesn't go to aliens or anything like that, but rather military/government type activities. I'm sure we're not aware of everything our militaries actually have as far as aircraft/spacecraft etc, or what/when/where they're using them. Lots of possibilities.
...or it could be Starlink like everyone else is saying. 🤷♀
Agreed that military/drone is a possibility. I've seen Starlink trains more than once, they are a tight very straight line of like 20 objects in a row that are bright for about a few minutes as they reflect the sun, and they move very fast, so only overhead for a couple of minutes max.
You really think that we are the only ones here??🤪
If they are military they are doing an awful job of being covert about it.
My sighting was in the late 90s so way before Starlink or drones.
This. As classified US documents from the early Cold War have become declassified, people have correlated many rashes of UFO sightings with top secret (at the time) aviation projects.
I've seen them myself a few times, as recently as February 2024. We're usually above FL410 and they appear to be way over 100,000 feet, moving quickly, joining up, separating, and changing direction. They're definitely not satellites or known military AC, I know what those look like.
I've seen those too. Captain and I were quite baffled. It was hard to get a clear shot of them with my phone. Very curious to know what they are!
It's the sun.
i had tanker trucks that ran across nevada everyday--in the mid 80ties my drivers reported seeing triangle craft--the trucks were rolling right past area 51==one night a couple that worked for me stopped on hill and a triangle craft went right over their heads 500ft?,they said it was huge--like bigger than football field --did not make a sound,creeped them big time--this was always at night
The TR-3B.
Triangle craft football field size? Similar to Phoenix in March of 1997
@@TheCyberMantis I mean the B-2s are also triangle shaped...
Oh stop with the fake Area 51 garbage. These were individual lights sometimes moving into triangle formations, not triangle shaped craft. Just shut it.
Well, to be fair, the military were terrorizing people in the Dayton area in the late 90s with early super sonic drone systems out of Wright Patterson Air Base, which happens to have a direct flight path to area 51...
Question for the pilots here: How many of you actually bring some kind of binoculars with you into the cockpits or rather would it be problematic/seen as weird if one would decide to do so? I imagine having a decent pair of those around in the pit could maybe either entirely resolve or at least help identify in a good bit of those scenarios maybe?
What if they were accidentally dropped on the console or something? A bit risky without certification or permission perhaps
It wouldn’t be an issue to have these in the cockpit, (company may vary) though I imagine it would just look like a star in a telescope. Just a larger brighter point of light. -I bring a camera with quite the magnification.
Thanks for the insights, appreciate it!
Given it's the sun being refracted small amounts of magnification won't really help.
Well, considering I fly out of YWG I’ll be keeping my eyes peeled for these things even harder now.
This channel going on the ufo hype is wicked! Recordings think this are perfect because of the source! Very important in the discourse. It’s got to be coming soon
This is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You mean terrifying?
@@fhowlandbro im in a pitch black dead silent 100 yr old mansion rn and this shit is scaring me
More then likely a foreign intelligence agency trying to find Canadas maple syrup reserves.
Messing with the maple syrup cartel is a really bad idea.
Aliens doing moose recon. Moose meat is tasty to them.
The mushroom people of Nova Scotia are likely safe
A Chinese obsession! Their maple syrup technology lags far behind, which galls the CCP no end, not to waffle around the issue.
Nah. Canadians are so nice they'd probably just give them to us if we asked nicely 🥺
I have experienced 2 lights flying formation about a mile off my wing while in the USAF over Afghanistan. We were in a left hand racetrack the entire time and the entire time they stayed in almost the same fixed point from several different windows relative to the plane.
Obviously we were tracking everything flying in the sky around the area and there were no other aircraft transponders going off in the area. They were there for about 20 minutes then went vertical from FL300 up till we couldn't see them anymore. All crew members observed them.
When I heard the flair flights report it definitely sounds like reflective light from starlink satellites. When they’re first launched you can sometimes see trains of them until they begin to separate. They could be seeing a new batch of them or just light from ones already there. Plus being that it’s so high up and there’s so many of them in low earth orbit
Today I learned how Regina is pronounced 🤔
Yeah that got me as I was just listening and not reading the text, makes me wonder what the residents there call themselves
I will say, whenever I hear it, mentally I don't ever hear an R as the first letter.
😂😂😂😂😂
This guy didnt watch Deadpool.
@@jackielinde7568 Totally. No one should ever name a city something that rhymes with Angina.
I have seen the star link satellites do that as they deploy over south america; but, that seems too obvious an answer. The satellites tend to hang or clump together as they deploy to their final orbital positions.
Agreed. Same in the Northern hemisphere.
Me and my boyfriend saw them on august 13th during a meteor shower. They were moving through the sky and eventually left our view but looked like a boomerang shape with 3 faint lights. alberta, canada
I have seen something similar but with the lights doing turns in the sky, flying past London going West, lights where north of dublin
Were you drunk on whiskey?
@@chupacabra3331 you sound like a flat earther
sounds like what we had at 2/25/2024. We had up to 7 ufos a head of us for 45 minutes. Probable altitude was 50,00-70,000. First saw over Omah Nebraska. Guesses speed to be > 1,000 miles per hour.
I’ve commented on other similar videos. I’ve seen similar lights recently as pilot of a corporate jet. Moving in odd/random directions, alternating brighter and dimmer. We chased them for over 3 hours at FL430. At different times they were above and below us. No idea what it was.
I’m sure some random commenter will tell you.
Send Mick West all the data on your flights and the direction and angle of the lights. That’s all you really need to work out if it is satellites reflecting sunlight, which sounds likely. But hard data is the key.
Were you on Ryan Graves’s podcast?
@@MeppyMan No, I think there’s just a bunch of us seeing the same thing at this point.
@@mikelp72 no to which part? Pilots seeing the same thing from different parts of the world definitely makes satellites more likely.
Another airline pilot here.
I've seen those same lights on numerous occasions when flying northbound from Kenya towards Saudi Arabia, around due north, just as described by the pilots in this video.
Would love an explanation on what it could be.
I saw them this winter but haven't seen them now for a while.
Sounds like high altitude ice, the brightness changing with movement of the observer and the ice, the triangle because of optical effects which tend to produce things like halos, reflection, rainbows with specific angles due to refraction eg 42deg 50deg
People saying Starlink.. These same observations have been reported for over 20+ years. Starlink started deploying only 5 years ago.
UFOs have been observed even much farther back than that.
Satellites have been up since the 50s. Of course there have been reports. Star link has tripled the amount of active Satellites in the last 2 years. They just launched 50 of them two days ago. They also happen to be in higher orbits than normal and are more reflective than typical Satellites.
This is why we have had reports before but WAY more now.
@@cambrosn Satellites don't zoom around, change directions, reconfigure into new formations, etc. -- not even Starlink. Look at all the pilots saying, "I'm familiar with satellites and these aren't satellites."
@@ModernPlague They do if you understand how the starlink orbits are laid out and how the sun reflects off these things. There are a few YT videos that describe this phenomenon in detail.
@@cambrosn Got any links?
Kinda interesting they only spot them while flying east. Makes me think the sun is reflecting off of something high up in the atmosphere/orbit.
Hey hey, hey, get out of here with your “logical explanation”… we’re here looking for aliens and their spaceships !
@@wcolby😂😂
@@wcolby Obviously the sun is reflecting off aliens.
Actually, the one was flying CVG-ANC, so they were flying northwest, and reported as seeing the lights over Michigan and Wisconsin.
I have been witness about 4 times of this kind of lighting formation when crossing Pacific Ocean this year. Chat on 123.45 there’s also many other airlines pilot saw that.
There are some lights we often see flying back from egypt. turkey etc. Just the same thing that the first crew describe.
I have also seen these. Something these reports always have in common:
Saw them in the east? It’s a couple hours before sunrise
Saw them in the west? It’s a couple hours after sunset.
They appear in a spot that is vertically in-line with where the sun is below the horizon.
They are satellites reflecting light from the sun. And it’s very cool to see.
The brightness comes and fades as they move through the right spot, and they can be moving in different directions (different orbits). They look a lot like landing lights from a plane, which gives the appearance (optical illusion) of them turning toward you, then away from you
At what latitudes do you see them?
That makes zero sense
in what world do satellites move like that?
This seems the most reasonable explanation yet.
It can also explain what one of the pilots mentioned about how it would appear for a while, then be gone for 15 minutes or something then appear again. One set of satellites is only briefly aligned just right and therefore visible. After a while, another set of satellites comes into view, etc.
It is also consistent with varying numbers of dots being visible.
@@SpacedBtw The satellites are constantly moving in their various orbits. The visual effect happens when they cross the correct spot in the sky. It's not unlike a rainbow, where the position of the observer and the sun are what places the rainbow where the observer sees it.
The fact that this kind of phenomenon has been reported for decades from so many locations around the world lead me to suspect that it has something to do with reflected/refracted sunlight.
What would be very helpful is if we had pictures or footage with relatively accurate pose information from multiple planes. That would enable some basic sanity checks. For example, are they each having a different view of a single set of lights, or are they each observing their own phenomenon? Are these only seen from a cockpit, or also from passenger windows?
It's quite odd to me that a government can't fund 3 dudes in a 1-room observatory to at least make an attempt to collect imagery and data on these things. How are planes not equipped with cameras?
Refraction woukd not explain the movement. These are literally bouncing out and coming back in together like a dance. And its at very fast speeds. The fact that its in far northern latitudes might make sense on something way away from people on the ground
Just found you but we going to need a separate playlist for all the UAP incidents
Airline pilot here, me and some of my colleagues use to see those lights mostly flying from USA to EU crossing 50w they are usually located north of our position. And they are exactly as described. Would be nice to have an explanation to what we are seeing…
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Wonder how the hierarchy works. The unidentified lights noticed by multiple pilots, is there a point at which it becomes a NORAD issue?
Ya, i would think they would have sent fighter jets up to get a better identification. But since no action has been taken, it leads to be something the military isn't concerned about. 😶🌫️
There probably was no radar hit. So no indication of foreign military aircraft. So NORAD did nothing.
@@ZeroSpawn Fighter jets might observe them from a distance but they seem way too high for interception. 70-100k feet is no joke.
The guys who own the fighter jets might also own the "objects".
@@CraftAeromost of the time! I remember the triangle shaped UFOs from the late ‘80s, early ‘90s. Later they were uncovered as F117 Nighthawks and B2 Spirits. Every time the air forces need to test some groundbreaking technology, they let the people theorize about UFO (UAP).
@@giovannizn The Canadian prairies are very sparsely populated and commonly used for military testing/training.
CFB:Cold Lake hosts "Maple Flag" (which includes low level, super-sonic, live fire exercises) and I'm sure some others we're not so aware of.
edit: Also, any three lights form a triangle.
I have read some comments and I see so many pilots claiming they have seen this all over the world. So, none of them ever recorded this with a good camera, and skills to use it at night ?
Can't help but wonder if this is some kind of atmospheric plasma, considering the auroral effects of a large solar flare detected about a week ago - i.e. the individual points of light are located within moving/evolving nodes of constructive interference, where some threshold energy level is crossed and they become illuminated.
Satellites do reflect sunlight, but there are not three in synchronous orbit around the earth, nor do they show for that length of time. Looking at the ratios of the triangle, they look similar to the purported TR3. Satellite orbit of the earth is roughly 1.5 hours, so they would not be nearly stationary relatively. Interesting. Don't expect honest responses from any government agency from any country.
StarLink micro sats -- are not synchronous.
-“Aeries 31, do you wish to file a report of any kind, over?”
-“I wouldn’t know what kind of report to file center.”
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
"aeries 31 do you you wana report a ufo?".........."no...weee dont wanna report"
Please fill out a CIRVIS report 🤣
@@braincraven
My, how the times have changed.
@@braincraven would have turned it into a comedy instantly.. "aeries 31 do you wanna fill out a cirvis report.." ,,," errr aeires 31... wtf is that?" hahah
i've seen it several times the last few years. what's strange is that there's no official explanation. Why hasn't the FAA come out and said "it's just starlink" if that's indeed what it is? there's no official word, just speculation
Saw them over the Prairies at least two times traveling both ways, from East to West and back. January 2024
And they were exactly from the north side.
My colleague told me he’s been watching them for two years already..
I've seen the same thing flying over Canada too on the way back from SFO, it's so bizzare to see, especially when they move, they were shooting off in random directions then reforming
That is exactly what a StarLink launch train looks like from below
They weren't Starlink mate I've seen those too, they don't move as fast or as randomly
@@martinhnetynka8252Starlink satellites shoot off in different directions at high speed and then re-group into formation?
@@martinhnetynka8252 so starlink skytrain can go eastbound, stop and then go westbound 10x+ the speed it came from?
A Starlink Skytrain is something to see as they gradualy spread out and seem to wink off and on as they reflect the sun.
I feel like I'd rather see the Milky Way with the naked eye someday than the skytrain. I'm not sure that will ever happen though. 😭
@@RT-qd8yl If you get way out in the country under a really black sky the Milky Way appears as "the spine of the sky". Since you're actually in Milky Way right now you're looking at it from the inside. It's a spiral and that "spine" is one of the legs of the spiral.
Problem with this theory is it passes overhead in a few minutes. The pilots said they were watching them for at least an hour.
I observed a Starlink sky train a few months ago. I didn’t know what it was. It was a really strange phenomenon which was clearly not naturally occurring. I was glad to find an explanation. Very cool thing to witness.
@@Cobalt135 That's true, I watched one last year and it was really moving. Can't say for sure what they saw. I saw a "Tumbler" UFO one time that was climbing above cirrus clouds while tumbling upward. It was really weird. And I'm a very skeptical person.
Hello everyone, i’ve been flying in Asia for 13+ years, and i can also say i have seen those formations over Taiwan, very similar tho the ones on this video. I always think or see them as possible military aircrafts (knowing the tensions going on in Taiwan at the moment). Pretty cool stuff!.
I had a similar experience here in Brazil, same thing that they are describing, 3 lights, moving very fast randomly, sometimes they just stopped and started to.move in the opposite direction, no satellite do that. It keep happening for a few weeks in the south of Brazil. Several pilots repported.