Why Choose An Analog Delay Pedal? [Suhr Discovery, J Rockett Clockwork, Mythos Oracle & Memory Man]
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Why on Earth would you choose a new analogue delay in 2021? Here’s why…
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Welcome to the show! It’s our first ride back in the saddle after a vacation so we thought we’d hit the trail in Old-School TPS style.
Suhr, J Rockett and Mythos all launched really cool analogue delay pedals in 2021. These three range from super simple to incredibly feature-rich. So in this video we take a look at each, taking in a few classics for context.
In case you are confused, all the pedals here have an entirely analogue signal path, except for the Strymon TimeLine which uses digital modelling to recreate those analogue sounds.
The drives all come before the delays in the signal path, just for the record.
Enjoy the video!
Pedals & stuff in this episode…
• TheGigRig Three2One
www.thegigrig.com/three2one
• Sonic Research ST-200 Turbo Tuner
Australia: bit.ly/2mR1s8c
• Lauren Audio Mustang
www.lauren.audio/product/mustang
• Cornerstone Gladio SC
www.cornerstonemusicgear.com/...
• Hamstead Comet Interstellar Driver
UK & Europe: bit.ly/3gYoTKX
Australia: bit.ly/2WLABBM
• Electro-Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man (no longer made)
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• Ibanez AD-80 Delay (no longer made)
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• Mythos Oracle Analog Delay
UK & Europe: bit.ly/3BDK250
Australia: bit.ly/3gUpk91
USA That Pedal Shop: bit.ly/3nRxPFM
• J Rockett Clockwork Echo
USA: imp.i114863.net/e4A0Qj
Australia: bit.ly/3taCyDx
USA That Pedal Shop: bit.ly/3FQb5Mp
• Suhr Discovery Analog Delay
UK & Europe: bit.ly/3BGK8IP
• Strymon TimeLine
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Australia: bit.ly/2pSEFKm
USA Sweetwater: imp.i114863.net/15WYgd
• Dunlop Mini Volume X (used as expression pedal)
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Australia: bit.ly/2MhpSsI
USA That Pedal Shop: bit.ly/314Wuht
• TheGigRig G3
www.thegigrig.com/g3
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Interesting bits and go-to sections…
0:00 Intro & playing
2:11 Why use an analogue delay these days?
3:30 Bucket Brigade explanation
5:45 It all starts with the Deluxe Memory Man (for us)
8:04 Today’s new delays, overview
11:12 Today’s amps
13:00: Deluxe Electric Mistress sounds
16:08 J Rockett Clockwork overview
17:28 Clockwork sounds, clean
21:54 Clockwork level control & DEM input
24:24 Clockwork modulation
28:19 Memory Man & Clockwork with overdrive
31:44 Short delays & mod for flange/chorus
32:54 Darker tones with Ibanez AD-80?
35:20 Mythos Oracle Analog Echo overview
37:37 Mythos Oracle sounds
44:20 Dan’s manual modulation
46:25 Suhr Discovery overview
49:35 Suhr Discovery MIDI
51:53 Suhr Discovery sounds
1:00:52 Suhr Discover & TimeLine comparison
1:05:01 Suhr Discover & Memory Man comparison
1:07:57 Concluding thoughts
Guitars in this episode:
• Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster (2001) - Dan’s video here: • That Pedal Show - Dan'...
• Gibson Memphis 1958 ES-335 (2017) - Mick’s video here: • Gibson Memphis 1958 ES...
• Fender American Vintage ’59 Stratocaster (2012) - no video yet
Amps in this episode
• Tone King Imperial MkII & 112 cab
USA Sweetwater: imp.i114863.net/b3mBqx
• Victory VC35 The Copper & VC212 cab with 1 x Celestion G12 Greenback and 1 x Celestion G12H Anniversary
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USA That Pedal Shop: bit.ly/3SkS5fJ
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That Pedal Show is truly a show. Yeah, there are “demo” sorts of things that happen, but no one would sit and watch an hour long demo. The real draw and value is in the Show. Thanks.
Thanks so much Seth 🤓🙏
Informative, funny, family friendly, frighteningly goods tones all delivered in a humble well thought out package. There are bbc shows that could learn from these guys. 👍
Yea I kinda hate when they try to avoid tangents. The tangents are why I watch. Yea I'll watch if it's only 30 minutes but I'd rather have as much as they wanna give us
Love you guys - had fun going thru all my analogue delays playing along with you, out of the deliciously clean channel of a new combo that literally arrived moments before I put your show on.
Bless ya and take care out there!
Boy oh boy did this show make my day, we've missed you guys! My TC Flashback 2 is an instrument of its own, with all its modes and "colour" options. Cheers from a 23 yo guitarist in Portugal, thanks for passing down so much knowledge in such an inspiring and musical way
So good to have you guys back, looking fresh after some truly well-deserved time off!
Only partway through the video so far, but you can tell that Dan's really feeling the sound and it's just stepped up his playing to another level. Sounds great!
This has got to be the best demo of the Discovery, I've been looking for a reason to pull the trigger on one, you've just given me the nudge, thank you.
I just thought I’d say, I’m so glad you found a mate to enjoy exploring sounds together, and bringing us on your ride. Reminiscent of old tps. Great episode!!!
An after thought, looking at the board’s flashing lights reminds me of an airport runway!!
What a glorious sounding episode to return with! Welcome back D&M.
Welcome back!! Happy Friday for us now that you are back. Hope you guys are rested and recharged and look forward to seeing what you have coming up!!
Some of your shows I listen to and learn something and go, yeah that’s nice, and then I probably won’t ever watch it again. Then there’s episodes like this one that I know I’ll listen to again and again just for the sounds and music. Brilliant. Welcome back.
Great to have you guys back and be back together with all of the wonderful commenters from all around the world. What an amazing community !!
Thanks Tim. It's our privilege to be among it! And you. :0)
I love that is never political or topical discussion. I am very political myself, but this is NOT the place.
Great show as usual. Happy with my ADRX20/Amaze1 for now, but the Suhr looks phenomenal. Great to see the Mustang on there too. Super guy and an amazing pedal! Sharp in that preamp style way, but the best treble boost into an AC30 you’ll ever hear.
First delay I ever bought was a Carbon Copy bright. I then spent a long and expensive journey through several fancier, more complicated, more expensive, in some cases great sounding pedals before realizing that the sound in my delay dreams was that BB sound. I am now the happy owner of a Dm2 Waza which does exactly what I want and no more. Lovely stuff.
You gotta go there to come back Sam. And that's what makes the experience so worth it when the learning sinks in. :0)
@@ThatPedalShow what a great and very true comment. Journey on folks.
How is the waza delay holding up? I bought a boss dm101 but more delay isn't bad
Didn't realize how much I miss both of your playing! Glad to have you back and hope you had a great break!
That Suhr Discovery is a monster! Wow!!! Everything anyone could ever want from an analog delay and a bunch of stuff I could have never imagined.
Sooooo glad to have you back! Fun fact about the Oracle, Zac told us on an IG Livestream there's a trick to extend the max time by cranking the knob and tapping quick on the tap tempo and once you do that it'll get to warbling and whatnot
The Oracle was superb. Loved to hear it on long times with all the weird analog glitches creeping in. Could tell for sure that Mick was into it by the first few bars.
Welcome back boys… I have missed this so much and you are really scratching an itch. Love boost. Delay. Univibe. In that order. Thanks guys, this is amazing.
LOVE my Clockwork and didn't hear a thing to make me regret snagging it! Well done as always gentlemen! 🤠
I totally forgot that you guys were back, this was the absolute BEST surprise on a Friday morning!
I'm actually in the market for an analogue delay so this is perfect.
Cheers!
I got a hint that Thorpy FX could be designing a delay pedal? I would pre-order that :) I’m imagining he would design something around the DMM :) with improvements/extras? no idea when this might happen? But for price, I would think it would be 300-400! for budget stuff,the Boss DM-2w is very nice
@@Gibson1976uk Oooh very nice, I'm looking at the ARDX20 since I really like the ability of having an additional preset, but I'll definitely keep an eye out for the Thorpy!
Nice to have you back gents, hope your holidays were excellent. Very educational as I am more a tape or drum type delay as in a Boonar or Volante. More experimentation ahead! Be well
Cheers Ross, we're all good thank you. Best as always sir!
Everytime I hear and original Memory Man, it just really sits so perfectly in the mix immediately out of the gate. They really got that right.
I've missed you guys. I hope you guys are enjoyed your vacation. Glad to see you back!
Verily! Great to be back!
And me who bought a Digital Death By Audio Micro Dream last month… But I dig it, very warm and grainy for us who like lo-fi delays, so it’s great. And so was this show! Well done guys!
When I heard the blended amps I knew what I was missing. Thanks to you guys. Delay beautiful. Nice jams you guys! And I’ll take any of that gear.
Man, Mick really has great dynamics. Playing into the delays soft and hard, fast and slow is an art.
Thank you kindly!
Aloha from beautiful Hawaii, lads! Great episode and great to have you back! Love my ARDX20 (thanks to you). Will check in a few VCQ’s from now. Just getting used to the new Duesenberg Session Man. Brilliant. More later. Cheers! G
Back before I watched your show, I probably wouldn't have known why an analog delay sounds sweeter, or that it even does. I had minimal experience with pedals but then I saw the w/d/w episode with the classic delays and it changed everything. Thanks to you guys educating me and leading me to a couple great delay pedals (Echosystem and Carbon Copy Deluxe), I knew instantly modulation would be a big part of why analog sounds so nice.
glad to see you guys, cool content as always!
nice! can't wait to watch the entire thing. I was lucky enough to procure a Clockwork early on and it definitely is withstanding the 'gig test.' Sounds excellent live, built like a tank and is fairly intuitive, that preamp is really cool too.
We should have spoken more about the pre - presumably is related to the APE thing they did. Hope you're good Justin!
Great to have you back guys!
Great show guys! Never really connected with analog delay in the past. Had a Boss DD3 on my board for 10+ years. Because of price and curiosity recently purchased an EH memory boy and I absolutely love it!
The memory boy is a cracking pedal for the price! And that square wave modulation is quite unusual.
Awesome episode. Also beautiful sounds from the amps!
Great you guys are back, it's been a long delay but the sines were there that you were coming back !! :D
Very interesting show, guys. And I finally couldn’t fight it any longer, so I gave in and bought the “everything at 2 o’clock” shirt.
Thanks so much Steve - makes a big difference to us!
Sound...Fabulous!!! Video/Camera work...Incredible!!! Content and Info...Spot on!!! Thank you Mick and Dan...So enjoy your videos. Cheers Marty from Melbourne 🇦🇺
Glad to have you guys back
So good to have you guys back👍
Great to be back Caleb!
I LOVE “Frame by Frame”!!! Thanks for pulling a bit of King Crimson out of the hat at 56:00!!!
Good to have you back hombres! Hope the break was good. Love a good delay chat. My approach to delay has always been similar to stacking gain pedals . I’ll always have two flavours on the board. I never really jelled with big multi-delays, so it’s always two simple stompboxes. It’s been the Walrus Audio ARP-87 and a Keeley mod AD-9 (self-oscillation mod), for years now!
I'm with you Simon! Mick here. Coupla simple things optimised for what they do best!
@@ThatPedalShow absolutely! And then, like stacking drives, you get the option of unique sounds from stacking the delays 👌🏻
Ah, glad tps is back! Doing Friday night beers and catching up on my favourite comfort show. Cheers from Canada fellas
Cheers!
Welcome back! My Friday routine has been missing a vital component during your well deserved break. Good thing there's a good selection of previous episodes to enjoy, Personally I re-watched everything with Joey Landreth, the "understanding gain" with Josh, and the Ed O'Brien episode. Happy days :-)
Thank you Johan. Classic episodes!
There's so many more reasons to love analog delay... delay... delay... watching TPS discussing those reasons... top on my list! 😎🤘🎸
Glad you guys are back and hope you had a nice break from it all!
I’ll miss the old intro music/flourish. Always enjoyed “singing” it right before it started. ☺️
yes, please throw it back in once in a while
Got a Radial ABY box and set up a Wet Dry Rig during your vacation break. Wet side is my Ampeg GVT 15 (12" English Vintage 30 speaker) and dry runs through a Marshall Origin 20. Its Bliss!! so glad I tried it after hearing you Gents talk much about the Wet Dry experience
One by one, everyone will hear wet/dry one day. Welcome to the enlightened Dwayne!
Very good video indeed. I am slowly digesting all the info. It's being from breakfast coffee time to lunch time. Awesome delays!!! Cheers!!!
I could watch these guys fiddle with delays all day, great episode!😊
Here’s a big YES and thumbs up for your new rebrand 👍 looks cool
Thanks TA!
I hope you had a great, life giving break! But I am so glad you are back!
Perfect timing chaps! Just what I need to know right now. Cash at the ready.
Great to have you two groovers back, I use to get a monthly magazine (magazines...remember those) You both might have heard of it "Guitar Buyer" lol, and after reading an article on delay pedals I went and got myself a Maxon AD999 which I still use and absolutely love, and thanks to an article Dan did on the tube screamer I went and got myself a Maxon OD808 Savage pedals...So thanks guys, Peace & love to you both from Ireland.. Keep on keeping on.
Cheers Doc. The AD999 is a STELLAR choice. Enjoy!
oracle was sounding so good in micks hands i didnt wanted him to stop playing definitively getting one, zack is a true nerd :)
Dan and Mick, check out the discontinued Decibel Eleven Time After Time delay. All analog signal with digital controls. Up to 524 milliseconds of delay. Features include tap tempo, beat divisions, modulation and MIDI. Internal trimmer to roll off high end on the repeats. All this with an ingenious preset system. Mine is simply set to left switch slapback, right switch long delay, but you can store up to 11 presets if you wish. Initial reviews dinged it for producing a volume drop when engaged. However, switching the bypass from Relay to Trails mode remedies this problem. Originally $229, you can often find them online for less than $100. It’s a sleeper!
If every Oracle Delay came with it's own Dan tweaking the time modulation, I'd certainly buy one!! 😍 Great show fellas!!!!
Glad you're back, guys.
Miss you guys, such a great time!
The Suhr is just amazing.
Never having cared much about the Timeline, I must say, though, that Strymon must be absolutely delighted to have created a device that can still hold up it's own, even after that long of a time…
Thanks Gents, just for showing up again!
Stay safe!
P.S. Could we get a comparison of the FTT and the Suhr, please!
Had the pleasure of meeting Liam and providing Neil and Family with the Amps for that tour.... Neil was using 2x Vox Ac15’s with the alnico blue speaker.
I saw them in London, They were incredible.
Just picked up an Oracle (Merry Christmas to me), and love it. I'm running it with an El Capistan, they cover every delay sound i could want. Thank you so much for the wonderful information.
We're back! Cheers Dan and Mick!!
Great to have you back boys 🎸
Great show! Asa you know- I LOVE the DMM. However, I got a Boss Waza DM2- and man that thing is fat- it like adds a layer of low-end under your guitar tone. Amazing. I use it on my folky rock/ alt country board for that slap back country rockabilly thing and it is just so rich and fun to play, even at that mild, short slap setting. I love the memory man in large part because it juices your amp. In my indie band I play with an ac15 and on many of the songs I use just the DMM into the amp- no OD pedals, because it pushes the amp just enough to get that overdrive when you dig in, where the delay just melts into the sound and you're off. Truth is, regardless of the band, I don't actually use very long delays- so analog delays sound great and have plenty of delay time for me....
YOU'RE BACK (with Instrument sounds)!
Aaah it's good to have you back folks...!
The Boss DM-2W is really something special. Beautiful repeats and something like the Wetter Box gets you trails and lets you put any modulation pedal after it in the loop
The sound this week was on point, those two amps worked really well together :-)
you guys are the best still my favorite channel and definetly my favorite music channel !
I love my AD-80!! Even with its 18v tiny power jack and the quirky controls.
Great to see Lauren Audio get some kudos from you boys, James is an absolute legend 🤍
... brilliant as always thank you fellaaaazzz. Given that hearing one of you fiddle and twiddle whilst the other picks and strums, the use/application of 'what' is possible to send to the expression pedal seems real key for me. Still not decided, but yeah, that Suhr Discovery defo ticks the boxes
What a wonderful episode guys. Simply loved the dive into analog delays. I’ve been hankering to get another ARDX20 but after watching this episode I’m reconsidering. The Discovery is too pricey and complicated for me but the cheaper but still pricey Clockwork really appeals to me. But holy cow, that simple Oracle just sounded fantastic. Looking forward to you guys checking out the Seymour Duncan Vapor Trail deluxe. Keep up the incredibly entertaining good work 👍😎
So glad to have you back boys! Great show as always. Here's an observation that I made about delays, maybe I'm dead wrong, feel free to tell me :
Analog delays with darker repetitions seem to fit single coil guitars because that naturally have less bass so the repetitions kinda emphasize the frequency that might be "lacking" a bit.
I'm a humbucker player and I've noticed that analog delays always end up sounding a bit more muddy with my setup whereas my Dynacord tape delay and Volante always sound great because tape delay has more of a bass roll off which fits better with the charact
Makes some sense Vincent. I guess there's a big difference in various singles and hums, but the general point that the relative tone of the delay repeats is all important in the sound is the thing. So yeah, totes!
It’s nice to see Chase Bliss finally have some competition in the analogue delay world.. Suhr pedal looks really cool, but Personally still exploring multiple digital delay lines in Zoia and the Beebo and old rack effects due to the massive modulation possibilities.
Analog delays are my favorite because they sound great straight into the front end of a cranked up amp. To me, that's where they shine above all others. The ARDX20 even beat out a real EP3 I owned because it performed so much better into an absolutely cranked Carr Rambler amp.
Wonderful! No arguments here - tis a wonderful thing!
Have you tried the Asheville Music Tools (MOOG pedal builder) ADG-1 ? It’s fantastic, the most beautiful sounding analog delay I’ve tried. No preamp/tone coloration, has its own drive/tone and sounds amazing with an expression controlling repeats- just waves of sweet analog BBD runaway trails
@@winstonsmith8236 Never heard of it, but looked it up and seems really cool! Thanks for the recommendation, def going to do some research on it. I've been using an HX Stomp exclusively lately and getting more experimental overall, but a truly great analog delay is unbeatable imo for everyday delay sounds
One of my favorite analog delays is the first generation of the Pigtronix Echolution. Reverse delays, modulation, stereo out, long delay time and expression pedal control. Takes up a lot of real estate but sounds gorgeous. One of my favorite tools for ambient guitar !
The amount of real estate it takes up is probably the main reason why you don't see them in use much these days, but I agree it's a great pedal. The Diamond Memory Lane 2 sort of falls in that category too.
TPS in top form; what a start to a new season! And of course, it is an analog delay episode - the most delicious of all effects.
I believe new modulation pedals have been piling up too recently; How about a ‘Zelzah vs… alternatives’ episode?
Cheers!
Great episode. Welcome back guys. Loving the sound and simplicity of the Oracle. Looks like Zack smashed it out of the park again (I can hear my wallet groaning).
Great to see you guys back on top form.
That Mythos Oracle sounds really nice. At home I have a DOD FX90 analog delay pedal and R-880 rack analog dual delay. Gets pretty thick on occasion.
Never regretted my TC Echobrain. Great self-oscillation, great dark repeats and smoky feedback.
My favorite subject from my favorite music guys!! Cheers from Texas!
Guys you are KILLING ME!!! How many more shows are you going to do featuring analog delay and still no Rubberneck?!?
I have a very nice tape emulation delay(Nocturne Mystery Brain), but I recently got a Boss DM-2W and I am loving it.
Kind of fun to find your show. So sorry about the selling of the Loved Guitar! Ouch! ✨❤️✨ I know that feeling well… unfortunately. Moving on… You two have a nice dynamic n my opinion. Oh yeah… I wanted to make sure I reminded you to just keep practicing… and you’ll be playing Guitar much better in just a very few years. I too… at first wandered around all over the neck until I learned some songs… then wrote a few… and it opened up a new world of playing for me. 😝😜🤪
Ok ok! All joking aside… … thanks for the fun! On subject: I’ve had a delay for decades that does analog sounds very well, and I’m still very happy with it. It’s the purple Dan-Echo Danelectro pedal. So good! Of course, as with most Guitar gear nuts… I have a few others too. 🪄😳🎛🎚🪛🧰
Don’t know if anyone has ever told you, but pedals are Cool!
Again… thanks for the fun!!
The episodes featuring delay pedals are maybe the best? Can't really decide. Maybe those with the fuzz pedals? Whatever. You're always wonderful.
Lovely episode guys. Aaaand we’re back in the room.
Loved it!❤ Memory Man, Stryman Time Line.
at 39:21 it almost feels like Mick doing a Dan impression! Honestly found it quite inspiring, now I wanna rig up a similar sound today and see what happens. Loved it!
Missed you guys!!! But hope you had a good time off!
What an amazing episode. I would have loved to see a CBA Thermae here. In terms of analog delays Thermae VS Discovery is the title fight bout for sure. It’s both a Dan (insanity abounds) and Mick (a simple smooth modulated analog delay if you want it to be) and probably my favorite pedal ever. Perfectly representative of CBA: perfecting traditional effects while reinventing the wheel with tech, creativity and an intrepid passion for pushing the boundaries of sounds
Big box dmm’s are brilliant. EHX has yet to recapture the magic with the newer models. Not sure if it’s the chips or some of the other components. Amazing. I also really love the Asheville Music Tools ADG-1. Allows you to switch between one or two chips, has truly advanced modulation, and a versatile EQ with preamp and tone control.
Ahhh a vox style amp with an F type…I enjoy that pairing a helluva lot. LOVE this episode--listening at work on iPhone 11, but I’ll replay at home on proper headphones. LOVE YOU !!!!
The original (analog) Diamond Memory Lane mk2 does a great DMM impression and has tap tempo to boot (and the original Panasonic chips). Unfortunately they ran out of the chips so no longer available (new). Great pedal though.
My goodness. When Dan stepped on that Memory Man...that’s really all you need. Just glorious.
Until it dies.. =/
This was way fun to watch, and it made me want to play with my delay pedal.
You did a lot of stuff with one-beat delay; I tend to go with a 3/2 thing and just bounce notes around.
I have this old 80's DigiTech delay that degrades as much as an analog one; I must listen more carefully to the way it degrades so I can speak clearly about it as you do. It definitely loses high end on repeats.
Great to see Dan smiling from ear to ear when he was playing.
Love analog delays. The JHS panther cub v1 is especially awesome
Given the external tap tempo input on the Mythos, I wonder if it's possible to hook up something external that sends a modulated tempo.
All of your shows with modulated delays along with disliking the 'age' effect on my EP103 made me get a Way Huge Echo Puss. I love the sound of the delay but find that I use the modulation very sparingly. A taste widens the sound but when you turn it up so you can hear it happening it gets sea sick. The other thing with the Echo Puss is why George put the effect level on a little trimpot while the feedback knob is way huge. I put a chicken head knob on the delay level so I can get it where I expect on a gig without too much messing around. The taper on that pot could also be improved so that the effect level didn't jump so suddenly.
Very nice!
Now i'm looking forward to the "Why Choose a Talk Box" Video
You've seen the old Talk Box video, right?
I had a DD-5 for years. Never really liked it, but I liked analog even less. You guys turned me on to tape delay emulators and I've never been the same. You do such a wonderful job on your demos, I might be willing to give analog a second look.
Thanks Mason! Do you run it in the loop by any chance? They often suck really hard in effects loops. Much better in the front of an amp. And preferably one that's not too distorted. Cheers!